Continuance (and probably some conclusion) on densities

[Bring4th_Austin]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

[3DMonkey]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

No no no. Both are natural, common, realistic. It isn't one or the other.

[Bring4th_Austin]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

No no no. Both are natural, common, realistic. It isn't one or the other.

Of course, we could say EVERYTHING that exists in any fashion is natural as everything is a product of nature in some way. It could also be considered completely natural to crave undue suffering.

I was probing for a more specific definition as he was using it, because the context of the comment confused me.

[zenmaster]

On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

Was just a comment to this idea:

there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.

[hogey11]

@unity100, I hear what you are saying about us dying due to 3D necessities, but what if 3D death has nothing to do with physical death? What if it is a death of our perception of the world rather than the destruction of the physical body? I would argue that the physical body is our 2D self - not 3D. With this said, what does a 3D death mean if it's defined as "self-awareness"? This is what i'm trying to get through....

what you perceive as 'terrible' is just death, which has happened to all of these people over and over and over and over endless times from 1d to this late 3d life up until now. even when in 4d, there is still life and death, in 5d, there is still life and death, and in 6d, there is still life and death - then only in 7d it stops, with the stopping of reproduction because 'the need to reuse body complexes end'.

its this society's perception that makes death 'terrible' for them.

ra sees this as something that is just trivial, transient and normal. this is explicitly stated even regarding the earth changes, and it is dubbed as 'conditions that bring harvest'.

I guess its not even so much a fear of death as it is a yearning to continue to be with those I love... I understand that i'm just a speck in the universe and that this is just one incarnation of many past and more to come, but that doesn't take away what I feel for this incarnation either. I feel I have more to do, but that doesn't mean it can't be in 4D with those I love (i know, wishful thinking, but i'm an eternal optimist!)

@abridgetoofar, My fear lies not with myself or my own incarnation, but instead the unity of that incarnation with others. With an unborn daughters on the way, I feel I have much to do and learn in the ways of love! Ra says 4D will be on earth, so I am choosing to believe that this process will be a loving one that allows us to fully appreciate the harvest, rather than experience some sort of universal "reset button"....

[unity100]

@unity100, I hear what you are saying about us dying due to 3D necessities, but what if 3D death has nothing to do with physical death? What if it is a death of our perception of the world rather than the destruction of the physical body? I would argue that the physical body is our 2D self - not 3D. With this said, what does a 3D death mean if it's defined as "self-awareness"? This is what i'm trying to get through....

im getting what you are saying, however, it seems like you are just avoiding the idea of physical death.

ra has said 'necessities of 3d'. currently necessities of 3d involve physical death. ra has defined the body people are manifesting in on this planet as the 3d body - not as 2d body ; it was named as lying in potentiation.

[Ocean]

if our body disappears all the time because we create it anew, how then do you define death?

[3DMonkey]

Death- the result of gunfire, heart failure, major organ failure, drowning, suffocating, decapitation, cancer,

[Ocean]

so is Ra gonna shoot us on December 21st 2012?

[3DMonkey]

I don't think they have hands to hold a pistol.

[Ocean]

they may have tentacles.

[Parsons]

I am choosing to hijack this old thread rather than creating a new one due to quite a bit of pre existing discussion on the concept of trading in our 'chemical' bodies in favor of an 'electric' body as per a number of Q'uo channelings.

I find this particular channeling to be quite informative, as it not only provides some generic information on chemical/electric bodies, but also provides a nice snapshot of the progression from 3rd - 7th density AND a great description of the higher self/magical personality:

We would note also, before we begin that because of requests within the circle, the speaker this evening is Hatonn rather than Latwii. Nevertheless, we call ourselves the principle of Q’uo because all of us, Hatonn, Latwii, and those of Ra, collaborate in responses to these questions.

You ask concerning the higher self—what precisely the higher self is and how it relates to you through your incarnation. We would begin by describing to you this higher self in a way that may make some sense to you in terms of your linear mind and your intellect.

If you stay strictly within space/time in the world of manifestation, you can only go as far as the end of third density. In order to progress further, you move into fourth density; into the precincts of time/space; into the environment of energy from electricity or electrical energy as opposed to the energies of chemicals and the distillation process that goes on in your physical body at all times as you distill the helpful ingredients within foods for the use of your physical vehicle and eliminate the dross or the extra.

However, if you consider that in third density you still retain the energy body that will carry you into fourth density, and that has carried you through your incarnation, then you can go further with your intellectual considerations. So please imagine yourself in your indigo-ray body, moving into incarnation in third density, aligning with the physical vehicle and connecting to it by means of the silver cord, so called. Then imagine that same body, at the end of the physical incarnation, releasing its hold upon the physical body that is no longer viable and moving into the process of graduation, first in the indigo-ray body, then in the violet-ray body. And once the steps of light have been walked and you have graduated into fourth density, [imagine] moving back into the indigo-ray body and then into physical incarnation of the electric type rather than the chemical type.

You do this throughout the long reaches of fourth density and fifth density. Finally, you graduate to sixth density, having learned the ways of love and the ways of wisdom. In sixth density, still in your electrical body, you refine and refine the lessons of love and wisdom, combining them again and again until you find the secret to acting with compassionate wisdom or wise love.

Ultimately, you reach a point somewhere in the midst of sixth density when you discover that all that you have ever desired has been satisfied except for the hunger and thirst for the Creator. And so you turn from the world of desire. You no longer think of what you will do next. You only think of the Creator. And that draws you ever closer to the seventh density, the Density of Foreverness.

At the point at which you find that you have achieved all your goals in the outer physical world, have performed all the services you hoped to perform and have integrated all of the learnings that you hoped to gather, you turn back to the past, so-called only in space/time, and you give to yourself a gift. You give to yourself a thoughtform in which is stored every lesson that you have learned, every gift that you have expressed, every dream and hope that has fired your journey. You give the highest and best self of which you are capable within third density, within fourth, within fifth, and within sixth, to yourself. That thoughtform, called the higher self, can also be called the “magical personality.”

I find the concept of inhabiting an electrical vehicle rather than a chemical vehicle to be fascinating and would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter 3 years later. Specifically, I am trying to picture how a dual activated 3D/4D vehicle would work and if it would be considered hybrid chemical/electrical.

In the interest of free flowing discussion, I will ask that discussion of the Q'uo channelings being 'Carla's subconscious bullshit' (or whatever you want to call it) be tabled or moved to another thread.

[Jeremy]

I like your little addendum at the end lol

Anyways, that was a fascinating read for sure. For some reason whenever I've concentrated upon connecting to my higher self or the creator, I in fact envision a tether coming out of the top of my head and going up so the read some confirmation of such is quite exhilarating to me.

As far as the dual activated and it's electrical properties, it's hard to surmise how to quantify such a thing unless we found someone who bioelectrical rhythms were completely original and/or not conventional. I would think a simple electrocardiogram or even an EEG which monitors electrical activity in the brain would do it. This is all assuming that such an electrical property even manifests itself within the confines of 3D space/time.

[anagogy]

As Ra has stated, "all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field." And also, "The physical complex alone is created of many, many energy or electromagnetic fields interacting due to intelligent energy."

So all physical material could be seen to be, at least in some sense, "electrical" in nature. When you "touch" matter, you aren't really touching matter, but rather perceiving the electromagnetic repulsion of subatomic particles.

So what would it mean to inhabit an "electrical body"? It's hard to say exactly.

I know that with each succeeding density, the physical materialization is an accurate translation, in so far as tangible manifestation allows, of the consciousness of the platform density from whence it comes. So this means that the red ray, or physical, manifestation in each density is a more and more refined substance. Essentially, the matter of each succeeding density steps up in energy level. In order for the consciousness of a given density level to interact with red ray physical, it requires a vehicle capable of accurately translating perception between mind and matter. A more refined mind requires a more refined body. So the space/time manifestation begins to be equal parts energy and matter in fourth density. In 5th density, the space/time physical manifestations becomes almost all energy. By 6th density, the physical manifestation, or space/time incarnate body just appears as pure light, pure energy.

I can tell you that if you were to physically see 4th density matter, whether it be during an STS abduction experience, contact with positive 4th density ET's, or perhaps some kind of ethereal materialization, that from your 3rd density physical point of view it would appear very "casper the ghost-ish" (for lack of better description). It would appear very translucent, sort of "plasma-eey-ish". Ra uses the word "ectoplasm" to describe the appearance of this body. That is a good way to describe it in my opinion. Now, it doesn't necessarily look like this to other fourth density entities, but it gives a vague impression of this "lighter" and more energetic matter, that makes up this so called "electrical body" that is "packed more densely with life". Ra has also stated that it has an appearance that is similar to the 3rd density body, though, of course, made up of different substances. Ra actually says, "the chemical elements used are not the same", which would seem to imply there is some chemical aspect to this form still.

In terms of dual activation, I doubt you would see this body in normal 3rd density circumstances, as it virtually completely congruent with the normal grosser lower density material configurations that make up our 3rd density physical manifestations.

Dual activated individuals usually have a natural awareness of time/space. In general, people that tend to just naturally see spirits, experience telepathy on a regular basis without any effort on their part, or have problems with electronics just shutting down on them for no good reason whatsoever. And as Ra has told us, they have a much easier time remembering life before physical life. In general, they have a plethora of psychic experiences without any training or effort. They sense subtle energies easily.

[AnthroHeart]

Personally I haven't figured out if I'm a wanderer or dual bodied. But I'm leaning towards wanderer. I've bent metal before, but I also have an aversion towards childbearing.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Q'uo:
However, if you consider that in third density you still retain the energy body that will carry you into fourth density, and that has carried you through your incarnation, then you can go further with your intellectual considerations. So please imagine yourself in your indigo-ray body, moving into incarnation in third density, aligning with the physical vehicle and connecting to it by means of the silver cord, so called. Then imagine that same body, at the end of the physical incarnation, releasing its hold upon the physical body that is no longer viable and moving into the process of graduation, first in the indigo-ray body, then in the violet-ray body. And once the steps of light have been walked and you have graduated into fourth density, [imagine] moving back into the indigo-ray body and then into physical incarnation of the electric type rather than the chemical type.

I find the concept of inhabiting an electrical vehicle rather than a chemical vehicle to be fascinating and would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter 3 years later. Specifically, I am trying to picture how a dual activated 3D/4D vehicle would work and if it would be considered hybrid chemical/electrical.

In the interest of free flowing discussion, I will ask that discussion of the Q'uo channelings being 'Carla's subconscious bullshit' (or whatever you want to call it) be tabled or moved to another thread.

What's unfortunate about this Q'uote is that it doesn't speak about the actual physical transition process, which is one aspect I am really curious about (since, if it happens, it would be rather obvious to everyone that there was some sort of major change going on).

But there is something about this quote that inspires another idea for the difference between a "chemical body" and an "electrical body."

As we are now, we have an electrical body. Electricity is how our body works. Our will is communicated to the chemicals of our physical body through electrical charges spawned by our thoughts. In reality, we should probably be identifying right now, as we are, much more with our electrical body than with our physical body. Even material reductionist believe it is electricity moving through our brains which gives rise to consciousness. In this view, the physical chemicals of our body are just clothing for our electrical "self."

This is something I've had more personal experience with since this thread started 3 years ago. Through dedicated meditation, I have began to really feel the electricity in my body. I don't necessarily mean like feeling an electrical charge, or really "feel" in any way which I can describe in words. It's more like an awareness of what is there. I am aware of the electricity in my body, the way it activates my physical body to move and interact with the physical worlds, and also how the electrical component of my body corresponds to my actual state of mind and thought processes.

However, as far as current science understands, this electricity is generated by ingested chemicals. And according to Ra, in 4D we still eat foodstuffs - there has to be a reason for that, and there has to be some sort of chemical process breaking down the foodstuffs into energy and electricity. This is what our 3D bodies do right now.

So I would think that the "chemical distillery" doesn't just go away in 4D. anagogy's description makes sense to me:

So the space/time manifestation begins to be equal parts energy and matter in fourth density. In 5th density, the space/time physical manifestations becomes almost all energy. By 6th density, the physical manifestation, or space/time incarnate body just appears as pure light, pure energy.

Instead of shedding the chemical body completely, what if it still existed to some extent, to solidify our presence in space/time as we refine our bodies more and more, like anagogy said?

But the experience would likely be markedly different, where instead of identifying with our chemical bodies as we do now, we identify with the electrical body. This electrical body has a sort of "supremacy" over the chemical body anyways, according to the Ra material, as this is how physical distortions manifest as illness in the body - distortion of the electromagnetic fields. Ra's idea of healing relies on the fact that healing distortions of the electromagnetic field will manifest in the physical body (potentially even appearing miraculous), while simply healing the body without healing the distortions will allow the distortions to manifest again.

So what if our consciousness evolves in a way where we have more awareness and control over these electrical fields that are as much of a body as the chemical complex. And the greater awareness of these fields allows for much less identification with the physical chemical body given the supremacy of the electrical fields. Our current cultural perception is lacking this understanding/awareness of the electrical fields and thus we have an over-identification with the physical body and under-identification with the electrical.

This also places the fundamental heart of this evolution on the mind rather than the body. We are evolving in general awareness, awareness of what our body is and how it relates to our "self," and ultimately a new level of awareness within the universe. In turn, our body itself evolves - to support this new awareness. Bodies compatible with 4D fields, but led there by minds seeking 4D awareness.

I can tell you that if you were to physically see 4th density matter, whether it be during an STS abduction experience, contact with positive 4th density ET's, or perhaps some kind of ethereal materialization, that from your 3rd density physical point of view it would appear very "casper the ghost-ish" (for lack of better description). It would appear very translucent, sort of "plasma-eey-ish". Ra uses the word "ectoplasm" to describe the appearance of this body.

Ra used the term "ectoplasm" to describe the green-ray body, which I believe it would be improper to compare this to the 4th density body. Ra speaks of the different "ray bodies" as bodies available to us within this 3rd density incarnation, and of 3rd density entities exploring these bodies.

Where on the other hand, Ra rather specifically says that higher density bodies are not activated for a typical 3rd density experience. The closest we have are the dual-activated individuals, with 3rd and 4th activation. But to say that the ray bodies are the same as the bodies we inhabit in each density would mean that Ra discusses 3rd density entities activating their higher density bodies within this lifetime, which they explicitly says does not happen (and if it did, dual activated entities would not be rare or unique, or really worth mentioning).

And as Ra has told us, they have a much easier time remembering life before physical life. In general, they have a plethora of psychic experiences without any training or effort. They sense subtle energies easily.

I do remember Ra saying that dual activated individuals will have a thinner veil, but do they connect this to having an easier time remembering experience prior to this incarnation?

[anagogy]

Ra used the term "ectoplasm" to describe the green-ray body, which I believe it would be improper to compare this to the 4th density body. Ra speaks of the different "ray bodies" as bodies available to us within this 3rd density incarnation, and of 3rd density entities exploring these bodies.

I have a different perspective on this (the bodies). It's important to make a distinction between a "subtle body" and a "physical body". When Ra discussed the bodies (47.8), it is my opinion they were discussing the physical manifestations of those rays.

I arrive at that conclusion partly because the first three bodies described are obviously physical bodies, and Ra makes no mention of the rest being time/space or non physical bodies. However, in various random places, Ra has made it clear there are also time/space equivalents of the color ray bodies. Also, the "ectoplasm" manifestation is just how the matter would appear to a 3rd density being, in my opinion, not necessarily how it would look to a 4th density being. It would probably look quite solid to a fourth density being, being on that native vibrational spectrum.

Also, Ra has stated the fourth density body is "a lighter body packed more densely with life". And that fourth density is "not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities". And well, it just feels intuitively like a perfect fit for the "ectoplasm" manifestation. Also, I've read some interesting abduction accounts where that particular observation has been made many times. Also, i've researched many hypnotic regression transcripts that have also lent credence to this idea. Not necessarily saying I'm right, just offering some food for thought, and some bits and pieces of the process by which I arrived at these conclusions.

Where on the other hand, Ra rather specifically says that higher density bodies are not activated for a typical 3rd density experience. The closest we have are the dual-activated individuals, with 3rd and 4th activation. But to say that the ray bodies are the same as the bodies we inhabit in each density would mean that Ra discusses 3rd density entities activating their higher density bodies within this lifetime, which they explicitly says does not happen (and if it did, dual activated entities would not be rare or unique, or really worth mentioning).

True, the higher density bodies are not *physically* activated for a 3rd density being. However, there are subtle versions of these bodies which are less than physical which are always activated. "Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex."

The physical, or gross material expression of each density is the red ray subdensity of any given ray. Any vibration beyond that is less than physical (or perhaps "more" than physical haha). For example, the orange ray subdensity of orange ray is lower astral material. It is "physical" sort of, but not physical as we know it. The orange ray body Ra described was the red ray subdensity of orange ray, which is genetic material, or material capable of physically expressing the consciousness of orange ray.

The yellow ray subdensity of yellow ray is middle astral material. It is "physical" but less physical than lower astral material. I mean physical in the sense that is still has a degree of tangible form. The red ray subdensity of yellow ray is the physical body Ra described which is the physical body complex capable of supporting self aware consciousness in red ray physical.

Basically, what I've learned is that we exist in all the densities all the time, but we only explore physical incarnations in the levels we are consciously trying to balance. Also, while we have higher density portions of ourselves, they are undeveloped and for the most part only unconsciously utilized. Every density is a combination of all the rays. The distinction is only in how they they manifest together.

I completely understand if this doesn't necessarily jive with your personal view of how the bodies and/or subtle bodies work. I don't have a ton of evidence to back all this up besides my own intuitive "psensory" observations of these fields. But again, I just offer it as intellectual mind candy to consider whether you find value in it, or not.

It's a subject which interests me greatly.

I do remember Ra saying that dual activated individuals will have a thinner veil, but do they connect this to having an easier time remembering experience prior to this incarnation?

Here is one section where they discuss it, there are others:

"65.19 Questioner: [chuckles] Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvestable did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third density than for third/fourth density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization."

[Sean Hsu]

These insights recently posted by Bring4th_Austin and Anagogy really shed light on me. I really appreciate your contributions on the subjects of different bodies and the actual physical transition process, which I think are both interesting and important for understanding the reality better.

IMHO, the big picture may consist of both views of Austin and Anagogy; in other words, there are different stages of development, and the early 4D-body may be just as what Austin described below,

Instead of shedding the chemical body completely, what if it still existed to some extent, to solidify our presence in space/time as we refine our bodies more and more, like anagogy said?

and from what Ra said below, I speculate that the early 4D-body must be visible to our 3D perception.

62.29 During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.
Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

Since it seems impossible for the 4D lighter chemical body to be invisible, I think we then need to develop a 4D "electrical body" , which is non-physical and able to dwell in the time/space or inner planes, before the Earth re-activates the 3D sphere.

That's why I also agree with the working views of Anagogy, which is similar to the concept of "inhabiting an electrical vehicle rather than a chemical vehicle".

Note: In third density, there are also invisible inner-plane entities who can materialize in physical-chemical complexes or "ectoplasm", as you can see below:

17.38 The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.

21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes, undergoing the process of healing and approaching realization of their action.

23.6 The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.
We laid this plan before the Council of Saturn, offering ourselves as service-oriented Wanderers of the type which land directly upon the inner planes without incarnative processes. Thus we emerged, or materialized, in physical-chemical complexes representing as closely as possible our natures, this effort being to appear as brothers and spend a limited amount of time as teachers of the Law of One, for there was an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions.

However, I still wonder how the 4D lighter chemical body will be transformed to the invisible electrical body. It seems like mysterious anecdotes such as Tibetan monk disappeared into the Rainbow.
PS: Here is a link to a Chinese website containing some photos about this wonderful phenomenon.

[anagogy]

One thing about fourth density: it is invisible to the 3rd density plane, unless the 4th density being concentrates on 3rd density, which results in enough sympathetic resonance with 3rd density that it becomes visible.

"12.17 Questioner: Does an individual in the fourth density normally appear— or are they normally invisible to us?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of the word “normal” is one which befuddles the meaning of the question. Let us rephrase for clarity. The fourth density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for fourth density to be visible. However, it is not the choice of the fourth-density entity to be visible due to the necessity for concentration upon a rather difficult vibrational complex which is the third density you experience."

So what fourth density beings need to learn to remain invisible is simply control of their minds. Whatever you focus on, you begin to resonate with.

Also, as far as fourth density inhabiting the inner planes, Ra has said that fourth density beings live in physical bodies that eventually expire, however, they last much, much, longer than our own. However, there is no veil in fourth density, so they aren't exactly cut off from the inner planes.

Fourth density matter is a very refined matter, being of a higher spectrum than our matter. Being the middle density, I believe it is an equal commingling between energy and matter, and has more electricity than our current body, hence the "electrical body" intuitive concepts.

I find it interesting that with many reports of ectoplasmic manifestations during seances and other spirit materializations, you also hear the atmosphere of the room described as "electric", and hair "standing on ends".

[BrownEye]

due to the necessity for concentration upon..............the third density you experience

This is describing the focus needed to become "3D" in frequency. Meaning there is choice/focus needed to become "visible". Sounds as if it is confused with a choice to become INvisible.

It takes serious power to safely drop down to our frequency.

[AnthroHeart]

I heard that if an entity of higher density drops down to 3D for too long they can become stuck in our density. I'm not sure if that's true due to karma and such. If they dropped down and became tangled in karma, they might become stuck. And I wonder when they drop down into 3D if they suddenly have a veil come over their mind. That would be a bit scary to lose connection like that.

[BrownEye]

It would be like getting drunk. Losing enough consciousness to forget "where you live".

[anagogy]

I heard that if an entity of higher density drops down to 3D for too long they can become stuck in our density. I'm not sure if that's true due to karma and such. If they dropped down and became tangled in karma, they might become stuck. And I wonder when they drop down into 3D if they suddenly have a veil come over their mind. That would be a bit scary to lose connection like that.

I have to agree with BE, in that to get "stuck" in the 3rd density from a 4th density perspective would require a massive loss in consciousness. Consciousness is always gravitating towards a space that is a match for the vibration it is emitting, so to get stuck in 3rd density would require one to permanently lower their vibration. Your vibrational rate is determined by how much of the presence or perspective of the creator you are drawing on at any given time. You could lose higher awareness by a build up of karma, or imbalance. A severe imbalance would then, by necessity, begin the attraction process of those experiences which will rebalance the consciousness, and those experiences may be vibrations that can only be realized in the 3rd density vibrational plane.

Another interesting thing to consider when talking about densities and the physical vehicles inhabited in each density is pondering the physical differences between them. For example, what is the difference between a physical vehicle in 1st density, 2nd density, and 3rd density?

From an outer perspective, they are all different arrangements of elemental matter. In 2nd density physical, the arrangement of these elements, minerals, or chemicals is such that the consciousness of growth is able to express itself in the physical world in the form of genetic or patternized material. In 3rd density, the chemical arrangement of physical matter becomes even more refined, so much so that it allows for a physical vehicle and brain that is capable of serious abstract self reflection (self awareness) to manifest.

So what sort of arrangement of matter would 4th density physical entail? It would have to be an arrangement that allows for the consciousness of green ray, or 4th density to manifest or express itself physically. That is, the consciousness of understanding, empathy, compassion, or essentially, "social memory". It each density involves an increased awareness of unity.

Again, as I understand it, the space/time vehicles begin to be more and more energy the higher up in density you go, as the expanded consciousness begins to be able to less and less express itself in crystallized matter. This doesn't mean it automatically turns to time/space or nonphysical, but it becomes more of an electromagnetic expression.

As Ra said regarding working with the Egyptians, "for had we arrived in no other form than our own, we would have been perceived as light."

And so, I still see the 4th density body as more of an ectoplasmic manifestation of matter, somewhere between energy and matter (equally between, in fact), whereas, post 4th density the physical vehicles begin to lean more fully in the direction of energy as opposed to matter (which is basically just slowed down or lower vibrational energy). And while dimensions are not precisely the same thing as densities, 4th density also does involve awareness of what we might call "the 4th dimension", which is the container for 3rd dimensional space. That is to say: time. Time is the four dimensional container for 3D space. It is this ready access, from the physical vehicle, to 4-dimensional time/space that allows for social memory to occur.

But we should also also keep in mind what Ra said about bodies in other densities, "There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own." So we probably can't even fully comprehend the variety of physical constructs possible in a foreign vibrational platform, as we haven't even fully imagined or witnessed the variety of 1st density, 2nd density, and 3rd density physical forms that exist in our own galaxy, much less others.

[BrownEye]

4D body is more electrical, and can be felt as a physical hand with electricity buzzing through it.

I have done my original test asking one of them to touch my nand, even though I could not physically see them. I then asked one of them to touch my wife's hand while not letting her in on what was taking place. Freaked her out!

Recently during a group skype session I mentioned to the group how they have relatives in 4D right next to them. As a demonstration I told them to hold out their hand and project the thought of their relation holding their outstretched hand as a validation to their existence and proximity. Right then there was a lot of laughter as they each felt someone place a hand in theirs.

4D is being populated, and you can interact with them since they are observing you right this moment.

There is actually a ton of stuff going on right under our noses, with multiple densities and multiple species.

[Infinite Unity]

When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D.

Could you explain how that could be the case, considering this Q/A?:

63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

so basically we are all going to die eventually ?

there is also the curious case of the incrementally 4d bodies. in the process of the 4d bodies being produced from 3-4d bodies' reproduction, these bodies would increasingly exhibit 4d characteristics. that is, if the eventual 4d body to be used is going to be arrived at at the end of series of generations. it would be another curious case if 3-4d bodies gave birth to fully 4d bodies in just one go.

Yes this is not new or changed because of harvest. You will recycle bodies until seventh density. We are all gonna die, and were all gonna die many many more times. The polarities are separated after third. Fourth is like transmuting to the emotional realm or inner plane and living there. All those shows that show people be shrunk and entering bodies is an occult joke on entering fourth dimension.  Now I truly know the densities are not separate but at this level it appears separate. However it is not bound by space orientation. Or it is not put together the way we think. It is not so much about a mechanical driven design. As much as it is flexible and built on parameters of thought. I believe any type of empirical data you delve into will be created for your exploring. If you measure it, its there. I wonder why humans don't switch there measuring tools and recalibrate them with the golden ratio.  Zen I like what you said about a three dimensional artificial constructs being sustained/recreated mentally by the fourth beings. I think your exquisitely correct.

[flofrog]

Hello,  
I am  new here,  and have been reading some posts from Infinite Unity,  zenmaster and unity100, BrownEye,  and often feels this is what my intuitive feelings are.  I started to be interested in the Ra material a few months ago, so I am really a rea newbie here...

I, too have a feeling that the switch to 4D is made smoothly by the entity itself,  so as Infinite Unity says, I think too that zenmaster is 'exquisitely correct'...

Anyway,  much gratitude for  a quite lovely conversation !

and since i am like uneducated here, would you let me know what STO and STS mean ???  

[Infinite Unity]

Sri and sta is a distortion in which form is given to how you serve. Sto serve the other self or all, sts serve the self. It is good to note, that no matter the orientation, everyone serves the creator. Of you love others, you love yourself, if you love yourself, you love yourself. In an energetic since sto can be seen to have an activated heart chakra and radiate energy/love freely. The sta can be seen to have the heart chakra very blocked off, and they absorb energy instead of radiating. These energetic qualities redound into mental configurations and have to a large extent a lot to be explored in fourth density.

[flofrog]

Sri and sta is a distortion in which form is given to how you serve. Sto serve the other self or all, sts serve the self. It is good to note, that no matter the orientation, everyone serves the creator. Of you love others, you love yourself, if you love yourself, you love yourself. In an energetic since sto can be seen to have an activated heart chakra and radiate energy/love freely. The sta can be seen to have the heart chakra very blocked off, and they absorb energy instead of radiating. These energetic qualities redound into mental configurations and have to a large extent a lot to be explored in fourth density.

Thank you so much Infinite Unity.. lol I should have thought of that. Very interesting as a short cut !! I really love the Ra material, it recoups many other things I read, and small tiny things that I noticed around. I really believe, despite the outside appearance, that we do reach the tipping point and majority on Gaia is bent towards sto.

many thanks

[Infinite Unity]

I agree Ra gives a great grasping point, and advanced studies more subtely. Through my time of study, of the Law of One, and personal experience. The LOO is very invigorating, and showed up in my life, on point. I would suggest intimately studying it. Ra has subtle encryptions of knowledge layered throughout the text. Central core message is of oneness and love. If you are in of assistance please ask. I live to serve the Creator.

[flofrog]

Thank you Infinite Unity, I am sure I will ask for more information. I have been meditating for like fifty years and ten years ago saw definitely a nice interesting object in the sky while sitting at a red light, and the driver next to me saw it too, so... lol I knew i was not quite dreaming.

I am more on the side of studying Yogananda and other wise men of India. Subsequently to that flying object some time later, while driving (!) on an empty freeway, had a nice moment of oneness with the all, where everything disappears and becomes one, so the Law of One does so make sense.. lol Anyway life despite and with all chaos is pretty sublime....

thank you again, much gratitude