David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest

[Oceania]

David took on a huge mission. it's his own soul that was guiding him and he had agreed to it.

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i'm not saying it's great that we get kicked in the ass or anything, the guides were firm with him that's all.

[hogey11]

Complete tangent:

Let's say we make a generalization that Aliens are all 4D+ in nature. (are there 3D 'spacefaring' civilizations or does the quarantine keep them locked in?)

We know that 4D entities can choose to come as 'wanderers' into a 3D existence, as can 5D, 6D, and whatever other D there might be above that. In looking at it this way, 'aliens' and 'wanderers' could be seen as the same thing. It might be the one way that 'aliens' can actually come and help us without breaking law of free will - incarnate here themselves and hope like hell they remember what to do

So, what if 'disclosure' as we think of it is not so much an announcement but a global 'remembering'? Or what if Dec. 21, 2012 is something like that where each soul gains access to their 'highest self' and gets to penetrate the veil (if they can). The interesting rub to this idea is that those who are not yet harvestable do not experience the 'remembering' at all except that they may remember past lives more freely or something... I'm not even sure how it would quite work. It also kinda kills the idea of aliens in spaceships landing on our lawns and giving us presents too. The changes have to and can manifest through ourselves, but that does not preclude 'wanderers' (aliens) from helping out through incarnation. Once we can start to interact and perceive the 4D sphere, then we will have access to them in that way (maybe again ).

Just a spin on it all. I'm sure annoying a few of you with my alien obsession i apologize.

[reeay]

lol hogey what makes you think you haven't met one yet! "They" might be on this forum talking to us already

[Etude in B Minor]

The space-faring trees from Sirius are (were) 3D.

[Oceania]

to me the idea of space flying trees is so stupid i can't even lol properly.

i think the aliens will land.

[Ashim]

to me the idea of space flying trees is so stupid i can't even lol properly.

i think the aliens will land.

Maybe they travel in a manner that you have not considered.
I admit visualising a bunch of trees on the flight deck of the enterprise may seem a little off.
Think of the way that mushroom spores can travel in 3d space/time.
That may be more along the lines of the 'trees' of Dogon.

[Oceania]

i'm not questioning it, just finding it so silly i can't even imagine a proper scifi movie made out of it. as they say reality is stranger.

what are the dogon trees?

are you saying the trees traveled by sporing?

[Ashim]

i'm not questioning it, just finding it so silly i can't even imagine a proper scifi movie made out of it. as they say reality is stranger.

what are the dogon trees?

are you saying the trees traveled by sporing?

Trees from Dogon. Just like I said.
Dogon is a planet, I think Ra refered to 'Dog'.
The system is Sirius also known as 'the dog star' (Sirius A in this case).
Dogon and Avyon I believe belong to Sirius B.

Sure, mushroom spores for example are resistant to the radiation in space and could survive a 'long' journey.

[Oceania]

i know the dogon trees are sirian i just didn't get why you used a different word for them when you referred to the trees from sirius, it was like you were talking of two different trees. i haven't heard of Avyon. is that a planet within Sirius B? where did you get this info?

the spore idea makes sense i guess

[hogey11]

I was listening to guy on a podcast the other day that was really into mycology, and he had some really interesting points in light of this discussion. First, mushrooms can do certain chemical feats that are otherwise impossible to 'natural' earth processes (such as breaking down plastic). Second, we have the psychadelic/DMT link where the mushroom can often be interpreted as a 'guide' or entity itself. There were a few more, but the general idea I am getting at is what if Mycology has a 3D consciousness to it?

I don't know if anybody read the last 'Matthew' channeling, but in there he makes a case that 'aliens' are helping us as we speak in terms of environmental factors and such. Could they be doing so with things like mycology and other seemingly 'natural' processes?

I know they often say that in evolutionary terms, we are WAY closer to mushrooms than trees. I see what you're saying with the sporing too; that would also answer the question of what to do with ruthless 3D spacefaring civilizations. I guess not ma f those even get off their own planet without someone trying to blow it up tho (oh yea, like us... )

[Plenum]

it's strange, hogey, but I've never been drawn to chemical substances, at all, in my life. I'm not trying to make myself as being exceptional pure or anything, but that was just the bias I was born with.

I've also listened to those podcasts where they talk about ayahuasca, and meeting the plant goddess. Fascinating experiences, and many of the writers that are foundation blocks in the new paradigm (David Icke, Graham Hancock, Terence Mckenna, and many others) have been through the ceremonies.

I am still unsure about how to parse this notion of plant assisted human evolution.

[Oceania]

god put medicine on earth in the form of plants, mushrooms etc. why wouldn't it assist?

[Tenet Nosce]

I don't know if anybody read the last 'Matthew' channeling, but in there he makes a case that 'aliens' are helping us as we speak in terms of environmental factors and such.

Yes. They also said this:

Perhaps it is best to start with the universal law that no civilization has the responsibility—much less the right—to go into another world and make changes as they see fit even when it would immensely benefit that world’s inhabitants.

[Oceania]

they also said they will assist when gaia and we request.

[hogey11]

@Tenet

See I've never argued that part of it tho. I understand the changes need to happen through us. With that said, I feel ET intervention is a whole different concept than ET empowerment.

I've always seen disclosure as being more about us than 'them'. I wouldn't be surprised if disclosure ends up being the admission that WE are a galactic civilization and now hold the capabilities to be seen as a peer to the ET community. Rather than showing us how they affected our past, maybe they will show us how we have helped other civilizations through some fashion or otherwise.

That's why I buck when people start painting disclosure or events like it as some sort of authoritarian event where we all bow to our new overlords, which I feel is ridiculous. We are almost spacemen ourselves; we're a century or two away at the most. Disclosure will be a graduation event where we step up to their level; it's not that they come down to ours. This is where I see a much more positive earth than many others, but I believe that is how it really is.

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@plenum - I will say that on my last 'mushroom trip' nearly 6-7 years back, I spent nearly the entire night thinking about 'vibrations' and how each of us are going at a different relative 'speed' compared to another. Then I spent much of the night trying to figure out what needs to be done to raise this speed or 'vibration'. At the time, I was into fitness and supplements, so I thought the answer laid in some pharma-cocktail of amphetamines and steroids haha... This was before I had really delved into the Law of One material, but what I find fascinating in retrospect was that I was being given the idea of vibration as related to evolution. Without this experience, I don't think I would have resonated as strongly as I did with the Law of One the third time I came across it, where it actually stuck with me and I finally read the whole thing. A simple concept that was born from a hot fire at my feet and a freezing cold river about 50 feet away more or less planted that seed of focusing on personal evolution.

In this small way, I owe the 'mushroom goddess' her props. She, too, was part of my journey (not to mention just the ego-shattering she gave me before these experiences). I would LOVE to do ayahuasca, but I am not sure about doing it by myself (I can get it here in Vancouver easy enough tho). If I was given a chance to do the whole Peruvian shaman thing, that would be awesome... I could shrug off the chance on negative contact and all that, but with these things I think safer is better than sorry...

[Tenet Nosce]

Disclosure will be a graduation event where we step up to their level; it's not that they come down to ours. This is where I see a much more positive earth than many others, but I believe that is how it really is.

Why not a meeting of equals? As you said, whatever it takes to be considered a peer. But have we displayed this yet? I don't think so. Do you?

I've always seen disclosure as being more about us than 'them'.

But it is about "them." It not only impacts them, but those in their home planets and densities who may not be in favor of an intervention of any sort.

I think "they" have moved closer to consensus, but there is not total agreement. If there were, then "Disclosure" would have happened.

Don't forget, it is the "ground crew" that makes up the enclave. It is the Wanderers from these other worlds that also have earth inhabitant status who get to decide.

So therefore, if we don't agree "down here" in this forum why would we expect for there to be agreement "up there"?

[hogey11]

Daniel's newest piece is on Extra-dimensional and Extra-Terrestrial concepts.

I found the whole thing to be quite interesting (and slightly over my head in some respects), but it was very interesting to see these things addressed by someone who seems to know the material and landscape quite well. This was a part that I found quite applicable to this thread:

Ascension: The Tomorrow People

Back in the 1970s, Roger Damon Price produced a Science Fiction series called, The Tomorrow People, that was about ordinary kids with extraordinary abilities—they possessed 4th density skills, such as telepathy, telekinesis and teleportation. This is where the human race is heading along the path we call ascension.

Since humanity hasn’t “been there; done that” regarding ascension, there is no hard data on the ascension process, so it comes down to an educated guess as to what happens. But, with the knowledge of how extra-dimensional entities exist in a universe of motion, we can apply that very process to our own evolution and make a good, educated guess.

When we start to access the microcosm dimensions of equivalent space, we are also accessing the realm of coordinate time (3D time). People have been doing this for centuries, using contemplation, prayer and meditation. But since our environment was still “3D,” it was a difficult process to attain and master, often taking many years of devout study. As our environment is upgraded, that process becomessignificantly easier to attain—but still requires the conscious effort to do it. Just as you can repress bad memories, you can also repress psionic ability. It is not forced on you, as that would violate free will. Nor is it a handout. It is an offer, that you can refuse or accept.

As many people have noticed, the sun is brighter and hotter than it previously was. And some days, it is really intense—obviously, we are already in the beginning of the solar transition and the planets are already responding to it. Opportunity is here, right now—we’ve got that offer to upgrade. Accepting that offer takes man to the next evolutionary step beyond Homo sapiens, to that of the Tomorrow 41 Eastern practices such as meditation, chi kung, nei kung, qi gong and others develop this intelligence.

Welcome to Prof. Albert Einstone’s TP-101 Class

Congratulations on your decision to become a Tomorrow Person. Welcome to the next stage of human evolution!

You may note that the way you perceive a few things is changing, particularly the changing perception of clock time. Now that you have access to the first dimension of time, you will notice that you are no longer a victim of causality and can begin to consciously select the circumstances you will choose to interact with, in your personal future. The muggles refer to this as precognition, but as you learn to use your temporal eye, you will see it is nothing more than looking through a telescope at the surrounding, temporal landscape. However, at this point you only have monocular vision—a single dimension of time—and therefore have not yet developed the stereoscopic vision needed to accurately judge “durations” in 3D time. This does take some “time” to get used to, as you become familiar with the temporal terrain and learn how far things are away, based on their relative sizes in the distance.

When consciousness is placed in the dimensions of time, it goes beyond simple vision. You will also begin to detect the temporal equivalent to the other physical senses: hearing, touching, smelling and tasting. Note that these are initially perceived as intuition, rather than sensation. And they will be interpreted by feelings, rather than thinking, until you learn to use your consciousness to bridge the right and left hemispheres of the brain so information can be shared quickly and accurately between thinking and feeling. After this is accomplished, you will discover that many psychological concepts have the same reciprocal relation as space and time, yin and yang, and the material and cosmic sectors.

Thinking and feeling are two aspects of the rational valuing side of consciousness; sensation and intuition are the “sensors” we use to pick up coordinate information from 3D space and 3D time.So when you start “remote smelling” the cafeteria across the street getting ready for lunch, please put your stomach growls aside until the lecture is over. This new, 4th density experience will be confusing to the consciousness at first, but as long as you understand the temporal landscape behind the strange feelings and intuitions, it is not difficult to cope with. However, many new Tomorrow People will have difficulty when they fall asleep and the landscapes swap positions, relative to their point of consciousness.

Falling into REM sleep is analogous to your consciousness accelerating past the speed of light and moving into the realm of 3D time. When that happens, everything flips and the consciousness perceivesyour waking thoughts, feelings and memories as though they were a dream. Muggles, having no consciousness in the dimensions of time, treat the waking and dream states as two, separate things. For them, they are separate because there is no bridge connecting them. Now you have that bridge, your dreams will change significantly as your consciousness will stay linked back to the spatial mind. Firstly, you will remember much more about a dream than you have in the past, and it will take on a living character. Just as you can go outside and nail some boards together to change your spatial environment, you will now be able to do the same in the temporal landscape, and alter it—plant a temporal garden, and watch it grow. Both the waking and dream landscapes will begin to merge into a larger reality, where science and magick become two aspects of the same thing.

An important point to remember is that at the onset of this merging, you will have the tendency to treat the new information as external to your psyche—you will think it is coming from the outside. But consider the years you have spent as a muggle, with two, separate landscapes—most people can barely remember a dream, and if they do, it is a fleeting memory at best. As a result, you are not familiar with your existing, temporal landscape, so it will appear to be something foreign your psyche. Do not get pulled into this trap. Remember that initially, everything in your dream is you. So get to know yourself, and once you do, you will find windows to the realm outside the psyche.

The most important point I wish to impress upon you is that you will now begin to experience the energy of rapport. This comes from being in the same temporal neighborhood as your fellow students. As you continue to grow, you will discover that rapport will replace the competition of rivalry, and curiosity will replace fear, because you have the basis of understanding all things, so there is no need to argue or compete. Growth is the fastest when you share what you have discovered on your travels in the new, magical realm of 3-dimensional time. So when you make the conscious effort to engage the energy of rapport through positive cooperation, things naturally “come together” and all involved grow from the interaction. Choose harmony over discord.

The full article can be found below. He goes into depth defining what each dimension means in terms of his interpretation of Larssonian physics, which is very interesting as well. Very cool stuff!

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Extra-Dimensionals and Extra-Terrestrials

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A reply to a question posted to him at the forums:

What should people do before the timelines finally converge? Wait for the cavalry? Stay informed and inform others?

I don’t know a single Native American that is waiting on the cavalry! Don’t see why we should, either. The original Montauk “detour” is already so close to the natural timeline that it can be considered “over and done with.” That can be seen with the way things are changing worldwide, economically, politically, spiritually and scientifically. All sorts of new things are at hand, now that we don’t have that pull from walking the difficult path around that temporal mountain from that detour.

We need to focus on where we are heading from here. The globalists have paved a couple of nice, easy walking highways in the temporal landscape, with their promises and free handouts… complete with GMO restaurants and police checkpoints at every exit. But we don’t have to take those routes. Granted, it is a little harder to pave your own way, but if you want true freedom, it’s the only sensible choice.

Virtually everyone has precognitive ability—the ability to see a distance in the temporal landscape. Open your eyes and pick where you want to go—create your own timeline. Grab your family and friends and head out to that unexplored, temporal territory and boldly go where no man has gone before. Then send someone back to tell the rest of us what’s out there, to help us decide if it is our path as well.

[Cyan]

Disclosure will be a graduation event where we step up to their level; it's not that they come down to ours. This is where I see a much more positive earth than many others, but I believe that is how it really is.

Why not a meeting of equals? As you said, whatever it takes to be considered a peer. But have we displayed this yet? I don't think so. Do you?

Yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt most of the population on "the planet" has displayed a intent to be positive and a massive amount of positivity as well. Just unfortunately being mislead on what "positive" is but still, better than trying to be negative.

I think any alien group would really, if they were "super realzers real" be super psyched to contact us and only have to hold back out of fear of trampling us like a new sapling simply by the awesomeness of their culture in comparison to ours.

Basically, they would be so honest and so awesome that they would take a look at our culture and go "guyyyyyyssss, what are you doooiiiinnnng"

Other than that, individuals would probably get along with the real aliens magnificently.

Especially those born afer 70-80's and those with hallucinogenic or Sci-Fi experience, which is probably, most of the westerners.

And after contact once they start trading for cheap mass produced "anti-death" (what ever they call their method of slowing unwanted catalytic death and ceasing of the functioning of the body) I think that most people on earth would be cool with our new alien friends.

Just keep it low key, ignore most of the governments intentionally the same way they would, i imagine, ignore arbys. And just talk to the people directly via hijacking Tv / radio / internet transmissions and just talking as if the government itself is irrelevant because no government holds the whole planet, and the UN is a joke.

Kind of drop by and go "take me to all your average joes".

EDIT: IF I was the guy in charge of this, i would park a small but noticably alien craft somewhere in orbit but distant enough to make shooting at it quite impossible but close enough so that its seen.

Then, i would probably wait district 9 style for a few months and avoid any attempts to contact and just watch what happens on earth. (if it goes to hell i leave without further contact and let the people keep evolving)

If things seem normal I'll upload a high-def video to youtube where I, with a universal translator system go "hi, earthlings, how ya all doing, this is my ship, this is my crib, its pimped out, check it out, what are your homes like, please upload video responses! From your friends on ggllblob 3!"

[Spaced]

Especially those born afer 70-80's and those with hallucinogenic or Sci-Fi experience, which is probably, most of the westerners.

Don't discount tribal groups, they are no strangers to altered states

[Ashim]

The tribes know what is going down.
They aint stupid.

[Cyan]

Especially those born afer 70-80's and those with hallucinogenic or Sci-Fi experience, which is probably, most of the westerners.

Don't discount tribal groups, they are no strangers to altered states

They are no strangers to altered states
You wouldnt get this from any other site

Never gonna forget the tupi or the maya
The cherokee or the mohawk, the inca

Never gonna run arroyound and desseret (I swear there used to be a tribe that had a name like this around. YA CANT convince me otherwise.... Or i'll use my magic wishing power to pay a science expedition that'll prove it HMPH!)
Yooouuuu! *shakes hips at spaced!*

[Tenet Nosce]

Yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt most of the population on "the planet" has displayed a intent to be positive and a massive amount of positivity as well.

I would strongly challenge that statement. Your perception is likely skewed because of your own positive bias. In reality, most of the population of the planet is barely subsisting. They haven't even been given a chance to acquire conscience, much less demonstrate an ability to properly wield it.

[hogey11]

@tenet

and I would strongly challenge your challenge

I think there are groups of people you might not think to include in the 'ready' group. Personally, I think there are a LOT of younger people who are 'checked out' and don't want to participate in the system. I think they are part of the calling. I think you have a lot of beleaguered elderly folk who wonder what their adherence to the 'system' got them in their life. I think they are part of the calling.

And that's only in my own community!

My point of view in this matter is greatly influenced by both my current environment and my past. In my current environment, I work with a refugee from the Congo/Uganda. He lost his family when he was young due to a car bomb, ended up being taken in by a church in uganda, lost his surrogate family to rebels, and actually was the first african to administer his move to Canada completely through the internet. He never met his sponsors in person until he came here.

I have spent much time with him talking about Africa and his life. In my previous experiences, I have gone to impoverished place and built houses and did 'mission trips'. Looking back on them now, the thing I remember most about those experiences was how happy the children in these mudholes were. They didn't care that their ball had no air; they just wanted to play.

In this way, I feel like we may have it backwards. The 'most of the population of the planet that are barely subsisting' may actually be doing great in spiritual terms. Christian, my Congolese friend, holds honor, responsibility, and morality higher than any 'north american' I know. In fact, it has been his greatest downfall as our society likes to punish naivety (he's signed a lot of 'contracts' thinking he was getting good deals; most were very predatory in nature)

What if these 'poor, barely subsisting' populations are really teeming with spiritual treasures? Here in the first world, we have EVERY reason to never think outside of ourselves and our environment. We can endlessly distract ourselves with bells, whistles, and useless hobbies. In these other places, the catalyst is much more pressing.

In this way, I often feel like while we live with material pleasures, we are actually in the spiritual ghetto. Again, if we're measuring countries by their spiritual quotient, I think places like Tibet would be kicking our ass. So can we really make such a statement that we're 'not ready' as a global population when the vast majority have no voice, no camera, and no story? How would you know about them otherwise?

[Monica]

Profound post, hogey! I have pondered this also...thinking about all the people in 3rd world countries, primitive tribes, etc. Each one of them incarnated according to seniority.

[Tenet Nosce]

@hogey-

Your challenge to my challenge is hereby challenged!

But seriously- I won't attempt to deny any of your points, although some of them may be argued.

The difference is in what we would consider to be the threshold of "acceptable" behavior among non-earth peoples.

In your post, you have identified "barely subsisting" as "people from the third world." Those are related concepts, but not the same concept. There are plenty of people in the third world whose basic physical needs are attended to, as are there plenty in the first world whose physical needs are not being attended to.

Yes, there is much of spiritual value to be found in the third world. This is because spiritual values exist independently from space and time considerations.

And yet, when a person is in the circumstance of near constantly attending to the need to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves, there is little opportunity for spiritual contemplation, of any sort. The mind is, of necessity, fixated on space and time and thus is not free to contemplate metaphysical things.

You mention the kids... I say yes, what about the kids? What about the children who are abducted by other human beings on a daily basis, and used for God knows what, including being sold into sexual slavery? And what about those of humanity that are paying money for use of these sex slaves? Not to mention the ones who rape little kids for free.

That's just one thing, I could go on. There are a ba-gillion "causes" to select from. But the point is, if I were to imagine myself on some sort of "celestial council" in some metaphysical realm, I might be inclined to make a case that... yes, there are lots of wonderful, inspiring, loving, and positive things about earth's human population.

But the fact of the matter is that they are still raping little children. So unless or until they figure out how to exist without such behaviors in their own physical societies, I'm not sure what benefit they would derive from having contact with a metaphysical society.

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Monica- I'm going to take a guess and say everybody is vegetarian on your home planet. Would you invite your alien cousins to come dwell with the earth peoples? Do you suppose they would even want to come if they could?

[reeay]

What makes you think a person in a developing country or community has less opportunities for spiritual development because their basic needs and security needs have not been met?

[zenmaster]

What makes you think a person in a developing country or community has less opportunities for spiritual development because their basic needs and security needs have not been met?

The person would be spending their time dealing with stresses and concerns of a survival nature (food, shelter, safety), which are of a lower vibration and focused on self.

[hogey11]

And yet, when a person is in the circumstance of near constantly attending to the need to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves, there is little opportunity for spiritual contemplation, of any sort. The mind is, of necessity, fixated on space and time and thus is not free to contemplate metaphysical things.

The person would be spending their time dealing with stresses and concerns of a survival nature (food, shelter, safety), which are of a lower vibration and focused on self.

This is where my real world experience disagrees with you. Christian is from the Congo, which could be considered one of the 'worst' places on earth right now. At nearly 10 years old he was separated from all family, and had to fend for himself for a few years. In his early teens, he was taken into a Ugandan church family. Through all those trials, his spirit and morality is so pure. I look up to him in these ways; he truly strives to always do the right and loving thing in everything he does. And to your point, Christian barely stands over 5 feet tall (probably due to malnutrition) and has had to have several surgeries to deal with congenital issues. He is one who you speak of, and his light is very bright (to myself).

Metaphysical knowledge is not required in what we speak of. For all we know, it is yet another unneeded distortion to our lessons...

You mention the kids... I say yes, what about the kids? What about the children who are abducted by other human beings on a daily basis, and used for God knows what, including being sold into sexual slavery? And what about those of humanity that are paying money for use of these sex slaves? Not to mention the ones who rape little kids for free.

I would propose a possibility in this case. Let's say these atrocities are meant to happen for karmic purposes. Wouldn't it make sense from a higher self perspective to give those in those learnings the very best environment surrounding their lesson? I'm not trying to lessen the effect of the suffering; I understand it is terrible and I don't wish it to happen. But in support of my greater point, maybe the spiritual strength of the 'third world' is to support those who are really working through their karma and catalyst in a real sense....

Just an idea anyways

[reeay]

The person would be spending their time dealing with stresses and concerns of a survival nature (food, shelter, safety), which are of a lower vibration and focused on self.

And we have people with basic needs, security needs and other needs met, whose vibrations and focus are other than self.

From my experience working in developing countries and impoverished communities in this developed country, I found more variability within a group than between groups.

[zenmaster]

The person would be spending their time dealing with stresses and concerns of a survival nature (food, shelter, safety), which are of a lower vibration and focused on self.

And we have people with basic needs, security needs and other needs met, whose vibrations and focus are other than self.

"Self" as in "lower self".