Disintegration of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex (nuclear blast)

[third-density-being]

I gave my-Self time and I've read this couple times. For me personally, it simply does not makes sense. How:

(..) seek without a balance between appreciation of the present moment and having the wisdom to sustain yourself into the future (..)

- may cause:

phenomena such as the destruction of souls begins to exist.

How imbalance in any area/field may change inherent properties of a mind/body/spirit complex, such as immortality/everlasting ??

In my opinion it can not.

[Ashim]

Sumus Immortales.

[Adonai One]

I gave my-Self time and I've read this couple times. For me personally, it simply does not makes sense. How:

(..) seek without a balance between appreciation of the present moment and having the wisdom to sustain yourself into the future (..)

- may cause:

phenomena such as the destruction of souls begins to exist.

How imbalance in any area/field may change inherent properties of a mind/body/spirit complex, such as immortality/everlasting ??

In my opinion it can not.

The spirit is not immortal. It is a construct that eventually becomes all things, which either occurs abruptly or seamlessly.

[Bring4th_Austin]

For your consideration:

A being hates itself and the universe entirely, believing the universe has nothing to offer it that it can consider itself and a part of its experience. It seeks self-destruction and complete unconsciousness of parts of itself it no longer considers itself. It destroys its very soul.

I believe a creator can lose a portion of itself and I believe it happens often in the furthest depths of the universe to where souls cannot be reached by the beings of this galaxy. I believe I have been a being that has sought complete self-destruction unable to cope with not seeing itself in anything but itself.

I state this because I believe this idea of a completely safe and secure universe is an avoidance of the catalyst of being responsible for our own existence. There won't always be someone there to save you. Nobody was there for me eons ago.

I don't think anyone here would deny that there are infinity+1 undesirable circumstances we may experience in which there will be no one there to "save" us. This is something different, speaking of losses to the Creator.

63.8: It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss.

It is one creation in which there is no loss and...

26.23: This would be the loss to the Creator...

And so it simply doesn't fit the logic of the Ra material that it is possible that there is loss. Ra might be wrong, you might be right, but a Creator which loses a portion of itself and a creation in which there is no loss are simply not compatible.

And if you were lost to the Creator, then you wouldn't be here

[Bluebell]

Hee hee =) I said that too.

[Adonai One]

Nearly lost.

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Additionally, you have no solid premises. I believe there can be a loss of spirit to an octave but not to infinity. Your quotes don't match. The latter is an octave context, the former infinity.

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Ra covers this paradox here:

19.1: ...Within the context of this illusion we may say that there are some which do not transfer from one particular density to another, for the continuum is finite.

In the understanding which we have of the universe or creation as one infinite being, its heart beating as alive in its own intelligent energy, it merely is one beat of the heart of this intelligence from creation to creation. In this context each and every entity of consciousness has/is/will experienced/experiencing/experience each and every density.

The former line covers a linear octave, stating some DO NOT COMPLETE A DENSITY. The latter line shows all things occur simultaneously, where there can be no loss. The former contains loss. The former can contain loss, the latter cannot.

In the former, in a finite continuum (as stated) that ends with a Big Crunch (universe is sucked into a blackhole and turned into a Central Sun again), you can theoretically have animal souls still stuck in 2nd-density destroyed in the blackhole. As for beyond 2nd-density in such a scenario, YOU DECIDE.

[Jade]

My interpretation of that quote is very different than yours. Firstly, Ra prefaces the statement with "Within the context of this illusion...". Secondly, Don's question in 19.1 was about spiritual evolution, so what I interpret is that Ra is saying that there are beings which do not participate in the octave "game" as we do.

Quote in full context:

19.1 Questioner: I have been thinking over the scope of this book and will read this that I have thought. We are concerned in this communication with the evolution of mind, body, and spirit. I would like to fully investigate through questioning the mechanism of evolution in order to allow those interested individuals to participate in their own evolution. It seems to me that a good place to start would be the transition from the second to third density, then to investigate in detail the evolution of third-density entities of Earth, paying particular attention to the mechanisms which help or hinder that evolution. This is my intent for direction of this working session. I hope that this is a correct direction.

What I would like to know first is do all entities make a transition from second to third density, or are there some other entities who have never gone through this transition?

Ra: I am Ra. Your question presumes the space/time continuum understandings of the intelligent energy which animates your illusion. Within the context of this illusion we may say that there are some which do not transfer from one particular density to another, for the continuum is finite.

In the understanding which we have of the universe or creation as one infinite being, its heart beating as alive in its own intelligent energy, it merely is one beat of the heart of this intelligence from creation to creation. In this context each and every entity of consciousness has/is/will experienced/experiencing/experience each and every density.

Thirdly, I wonder why out of all of infinity you choose to identify so closely with a being who deliberately tried to destroy himself through any means possible. Within the context of this illusion, I've always seen self-destruction as a cry for help, waiting to be heard.

[Adonai One]

The illusion applies upwards towards the octave. The spirit is an illusion. Ra is within an illusion that still has mystery. Infinity is the truest spirit: Within infinity there is no spirit, no shuttle, there is only all.

Additionally, I've seen things nobody here will believe. I've encountered things in the past few months that I dare not expound upon. The universe is a game. A fun game. But some people take the game too seriously.

[darklight]

I guess the Disintegration of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex occurs also during a cremation?

[Plenum]

I guess the Disintegration of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex occurs also during a cremation?

the physical vehicle (what we normally call the 'body') is not the same as the mind/body/spirit complex.

the physical vehicle is just a temporary representation of a deeper 'body complex'.

"Secondly, if any entity is able to dwell completely in unity the only harm that may occur to it is the changing of the outward physical, yellow-ray vehicle into the more light-filled mind/body/spirit complex’s vehicle by the process of death. "

[Quan]

I guess the Disintegration of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex occurs also during a cremation?

the physical vehicle (what we normally call the 'body') is not the same as the mind/body/spirit complex.

the physical vehicle is just a temporary representation of a deeper 'body complex'.

"Secondly, if any entity is able to dwell completely in unity the only harm that may occur to it is the changing of the outward physical, yellow-ray vehicle into the more light-filled mind/body/spirit complex’s vehicle by the process of death. "

"Additionally, I've seen things nobody here will believe."
Mindful of talk of Service to Self statements instead of service to others , among many scriptures its very common to see warning to avoid learning from someone that makes statements in this type of language. creates a void of power a dependance on that person....

Ahh synchronicity..love it! just continued to read this transcript after this post and saw this quote"For instance, in the one known as Jesus, this entity’s truth was at the profound level which moves beyond all fear of death or dissolution"http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1994/1994_0130.aspx"

[Plenum]

thanks .T.

I'll repost that link so that it's clickable:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0130.aspx

you know, because the internet has made us lazy

[Quan]

thanks .T.

I'll repost that link so that it's clickable:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0130.aspx

you know, because the internet has made us lazy

Haha. Thank you for fixing that. Its nice article.. i just came back to finish reading that article before meditation..and was looking for avenue to post and saw your reply. you can be my catalyst\excuse to post these beautiful, eloquent words(from that link also)..

"Each entity has come to incarnation to be able to move from chosen parameters to other chosen parameters. The parameters for each incarnation include greater and greater opportunity for experiencing and expressing love. "

Love to all

[Bluebell]

I guess the Disintegration of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex occurs also during a cremation?

no, the soul/spirit has left but even those burned alive only exit the vessel. a nuclear blast affects everything but spirit, which is immortal. according to Ra a soul isn't immortal because it can technically be obliterated. but regular fire is safe lol.