Quote:26.23 ↥ Questioner: Could you please give me an example from, let us say, Hiroshima or Nagasaki of how this is done?

Ra: I am Ra. Those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. This would be the loss to the Creator of part of the Creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. This we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic Infinite One.

(09-24-2014, 10:55 PM)anagogy Wrote: First off, there will not be a situation where you will not have assistance. As stated in the quote, the loss to the creator would not be tolerated. And these spiritual beings exist outside of time, so they literally have infinite time in which to retrieve you before disarrangement. Also, they would see the event coming from millions of miles away proverbially speaking (again, outside of time).

Secondly, your true form is intelligent infinity, which is eternal and changeless. It cannot be destroyed.

Your patternization could be altered, but your consciousness cannot be destroyed, in my opinion.

Quote:68.6 ↥ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?

Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.

Quote:19.18 ↥ Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to choose paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path-changing being more difficult the farther along is gone. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

(09-24-2014, 10:31 PM)भाव Wrote: In the event that there is no assistance and I am in a nuclear blast do you believe I'm really 'lost' or merely dissolved into the One Infinite Creator and thus with that awareness again?

(09-25-2014, 05:45 AM)Folk-love Wrote: I thought that if that were to happen, you would have no choice but to incarnate in negative space/time. Eh I dunno.

(09-27-2014, 04:14 AM)Bluebell Wrote: I disagree, anagogy. If ur already polarized negative, it wouldn't be so traumatic, as Ra says, for an STO to incarnate there. The polarizing happens in space-time.

That said, this is getting off topic.

(09-27-2014, 04:14 AM)Bluebell Wrote: I keep asking the same questions as the original post. Lets forget there's monitoring & salvaging. Will the m/b/s simply melt back into a puddle of Mother Goddess Goo? Also, would it be painless?

(09-24-2014, 10:31 PM)भाव Wrote: Greetings brother/sisters sister/brothers

I would like to discuss this question and answer:

Quote:26.23 ↥ Questioner: Could you please give me an example from, let us say, Hiroshima or Nagasaki of how this is done?

Ra: I am Ra. Those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. This would be the loss to the Creator of part of the Creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. This we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic Infinite One.

This question and answer seems to be popping up in my conscious mind and it has raised a few questions?

In the event that there is no assistance and I am in a nuclear blast do you believe I'm really 'lost' or merely dissolved into the One Infinite Creator and thus with that awareness again?

In the event that I am in a nuclear blast and there is no assistance would I merely start my journey over through the densities in this octave?

There's many questions but I ask these in hopes to understanding something very deep about our/my essence.

(09-27-2014, 06:20 PM)Adonai One Wrote: (...)
There won't always be someone there to save you. Nobody was there for me eons ago.

(09-27-2014, 07:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Save (in this context) - Protection from facing something you wouldn't otherwise want to face

(09-27-2014, 07:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Wanting absolute protection from bodily or spiritual death provided only by someone else is, if I may harshly say, an avoidance of catalyst on a personal level.

(09-27-2014, 08:03 PM)third-density-being Wrote:

(09-27-2014, 07:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Wanting absolute protection from bodily or spiritual death provided only by someone else is, if I may harshly say, an avoidance of catalyst on a personal level.

Physical death is part of an existence of the Self. It is a change of Focus of Consciousness - moving from one plane of existence to the other.

But You also wrote about death of a Spirit. What exactly do You understand by that? For Spirit to vanish? If so, it would not be a Catalyst, as catalyst always leads to something - experience, change of perception, etc. - whatever We would call it. But an event that ends possibility of growth/development is not a catalyst (as I understand this concept).

(09-27-2014, 08:12 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Spiritual death (as catastrophic as it is) would be a catalyst for this octave, universe as a whole to consider in the next universe as it pleases. There is growth, catalyst even in stagnation from a universal perspective. The universe has all of our catalyst to deal with.

Quote:52.12 ↥ Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the light-bringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the gradation of graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these light-bringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

(09-27-2014, 08:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote:

Quote:52.12 ↥ Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the light-bringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the gradation of graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these light-bringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

*whistles*

(09-27-2014, 06:20 PM)Adonai One Wrote: For your consideration:

A being hates itself and the universe entirely, believing the universe has nothing to offer it that it can consider itself and a part of its experience. It seeks self-destruction and complete unconsciousness of parts of itself it no longer considers itself. It destroys its very soul.

I believe a creator can lose a portion of itself and I believe it happens often in the furthest depths of the universe to where souls cannot be reached by the beings of this galaxy. I believe I have been a being that has sought complete self-destruction unable to cope with not seeing itself in anything but itself.

I state this because I believe this idea of a completely safe and secure universe is an avoidance of the catalyst of being responsible for our own existence. There won't always be someone there to save you. Nobody was there for me eons ago.