Satanists holding an open dark mass on 08.12.12 relatively near.

[Oldern]

I am sorry to recite something from South Park, but I feel like this is perfectly appropriate.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?"

...just stop doing it

[Ankh]

Would this be the point of "My fall" or the point of "My ascension"

Hard to say.

But thoughts. Should i participate, refuse to participate, participate and do a counter counter mass (Dedicate to Ra anyone?)

Opinions, how would i best go about making this a ridiclously positive event for all involved?

It's your choice of course, but since you asked for an opinion... If I would be you, I would refrain from this ritual 10 times of 10. Because for instance, you mentioned that going to the church is "tuning out" for a non Christian. Well, it might be, but it's still "do-able" by focusing on the appropriate configuration in its own mind, since a lot of stuff in the church are of positive nature. Imagine now, a completely negative environment. Because even if the church might have negative colorings, it is still positive in its intention and conscious desire, although yes, having this negative mixed orientation. But imagine an openly completely negative environment! I think that it's almost impossible to tune into the light and love in that kind of environment...? It reminds me of what Ra said about impossibility to polarize positively on a negative planet...

Another thing that would keep me away from that meeting is that you might or might not be a wanderer. Many might say that it doesn't matter, but it does in my own humble opinion. Because if you are a wanderer, you have a different, denser light of your spirit complex. And that attracts the attention. You will be like a bright flashlight in the darkness, and there might be some entities who would perhaps not like that. I am thinking that this kind of gathering might be attended by many time/space beings of the negative polarity looking for "fun" or something else, and when seeing you they might get some ideas, and this meeting might attract to you a companion.

But hey, welcome to the density of free will, and have fun in whatever you choose. /

[Cyan]

Oh you mean this emotional tantrum having guy:

I'm not interested in a bible quote duel! We both know that the bible has lots of misquotes. Who knows what he really said? My point was that he DID say a lot of love/peace/forgiveness stuff too.

Exactly, which is why I Say the bible isnt good for anything besides and endless combat about pointless quotes. Much like most religions are. I personally see no difference in terms of that quote and LaVeys quote about feeding human meat to his lions. Both are historically attributed to the person without any real way of knowing if its true or not. To me, Jesus may or may not be a good guy, i dont really know, same as lucifer may or may not be a good guy, i dont know. For the same reason as i would be and am hesitant to join this mass, i would be equally, perhaps more so on account of heavier proof, be hesitant to join in on a christian ceremony. Both being to, what i perceive to be, an equally bloody entity.

Let me point out what i mean:

These are quotes from LaVey, The founder of modern satanism, so skip them if you are from the get go oriented towards not resonating with them on the grounds that the guy has a spooky beard, because Carla used the pentagram just as much, possibly quite a bit more.

“It has been said, 'the truth will make men free.' The truth alone has never made anyone free. It is only doubt which will bring mental emancipation.”
― Anton LaVey

And

Ra:

16.39 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Is not knowing and doubt the core of the "Not Understanding"?

On a more behavioral note:

“When one sleeps on the floor one need not worry about falling out of bed.”
― Anton LaVey

Short, smart and applicable, helps people with fears of falling from beds more than praying will.

“Those who spell Magic with a K aren't.”
― Anton LaVey

Lol, fits here nicely.

“Don't let that little pyramid with the bright eye fool you. That's to draw your attention away from the real thing: the big trapezoid beneath it.”
― Anton LaVey

“Unfortunately for a multitude of occultists, humor is a rare ingredient in their lives. In fact it is their very lack of humor that has impelled them into the arcane and esoteric.”
― Anton LaVey

Anyway, moving on. Quote for Quote is a pointless competition. My point here is that it is difficult, if not downright impossible to judge a "book by its cover"

Way to judge without being to one. =)
I heard a lot of very interesting and threathing things about channelers and spirit contacts before i came here. Should i have believed someone elses opinion and not check for myself?

shrug

Meh.

Depending on how you define a black magic ritual, i'm sure you've been to one,

I just told you I never have.

Christian sermon is a classical case of black magic ritual worship.

Lets see.

"spiritually human/divine"(transubstantiation) Blood drinking.
"spiritually human/divine"(transubstantiation) Meat eating.
Enforcing belief in evil. (Original sin)
Enforcing structures role in liberating you from evil.
Gathering of people into one place under one leader (priest).
Enforcing a belief of those saved and those damned by proximity of presence to a paper book + dude in a white robe.

Etc etc etc.

Christian sermons in most churches fall neatly into the black magic personal gain category. The fact that its the largest black magic organization and the most successful in lying to people about its black magic nature makes it no less black magic. But its you say Tomato i say Tomato and what not.

but it depends rather widely on how you define magic and ritual.

Very simple: White magick is for healing; black magick is for harming. White magick isn't done without permission; black magick has no regard for the free will of others. And gray magick has good intentions but without permission so it can inadvertently harm.

Ahh, then you ascribe to a view of black/white magic that i used, very very long ago ascribe to, but since changed it because it is unberably non functional. I now use:

Black magic is magic used for selfish purposes.
White magic is magic used for non selfish purpose.
Since it is impossible to separate into "all white" and "all black" all magic is by definition gray magic. The best you can do is infinitely approach white magic and infinitely approach black magic.

That is to say, one can never be "sts" or "sto" only "sts to extreme" or "sto to extreme" etc.

Trying to save someone from a sin that is not real is black magic
Trying to entertain someone to not go dull with boredom over a society that is brainwashed is white magic

Crusaders a classical example of black magic.
While comedians are a classical case of white magic.

Both Christ and LaVey are "must shape this world into MY image to save the world from the stuff I project into it" classical high level black magicians in their actions.

While say, Will Smith and Carla are both high level white magicians (Will smith being an actor that just does stuff "cus its funny and earns me money") and (Carla channeling an entity that has, as its core message, "You cant know for sure if you want to get above where you are now")

Your definition of magic used to harm and magic used to heal makes no sense because it rests on the starting assumption that there is one health and one harm. That is, one pole that is "health for all regardless of what they want" and one pole that is "harm for all regardless of what they want" and it only works if all are equally the same. But if someone wants to harm themselves and you force health on them then you are harming them.

Thats why the definition of black white and gray you use, while somewhat commonly used.

In your view, me sitting here and praying for world peace would be seen by those ascribing to a world that they do not want peace in (say, two people wanting to go boxing) as black magic and interference.

The Maude Flanders style.

Yup, like i said, you choose to go to a building where you need to unfocus on what is going on to allow you to accept the religion,

No, actually I don't choose to do that at all. Did you miss the part about me not being a church-goer?

I choose to no longer go to any church, because it's too much hassle tuning out the preaching, and there are other ways to feel uplifted.

I said I have and I could, if the situation warranted it, like for example to a wedding. I could enjoy the singing and appreciate the good that is there, and make the best of my time there, for the sake of family and friends. I would add my love and blessings to the newlyweds along with all the churchgoers. Genuine prayers of love know no boundaries; if the vibe is positive I wouldn't care what religion it was, just for that short while, while we were praying together for something positive.
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Talking in past term. Dont worry, i've chosen to go to church too in the past, as far as joining the youth organizations and having a priest as my godfather, who later turned into my godmother, but thats a whole different story about a lamb in a rams clothing...



Anyway, to a more serious stance on this matter.

The core of my point is that you cant know genuine prayer of love from a genuine prayer of hate masquerading as a genuine prayer of love on this side of the veil. You have to discern and pick resonances after carefully analyzing and pondering about what would be the proper path for you, personally.

After you've resonanted with what you thought you should, one day, you die and look back on the emotions and what was offered and distill the lessons and restart your life, at least thats the way i've chosen to interpret it.

Last I stepped into a church, i wasnt hit on the head by a lightning bolt, but i would just as rather not take my chances with that entity. You may think you have the power to sidestep 2000 years of bloodshed because your love and prayer are stronger than hundreds of millions of dead people in the name of the religion, but to me, it is the same argument that neo-nazis give, it goes essentially like this.

"Sure a few people died to make this ideology what it is today, but look at how good it is at bringing people together, singing songs and having just, you know, a good time. Whats wrong with that?"

been to any scary amusement park rides lately. Or played a scary game, or watched a scary movie?

No, not in many years. I don't do that stuff anymore. I'll pass on the Constantine movie.

Ahh, that explains your fear of fear as being something that should be afraid of and avoided. I see fear as a energy that is used to motivate or move a person that is stuck in a molass.

I think the conversation with god guy said it the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA4HwFHiYyA

"Feeling Energized And Ready"

i call t hat tuning out of the fact that you are being used to fill a bench. Or to fill a coffer, or both.

I know what you mean about focusing on the music and the singing and the nice stuff, its all very nice and good, but you could have a music player with you that has a few CDs of church music

It's not about the music. I don't like church music. It's about the energy behind the music. A church full of people singing worship songs can generate a very positive vibe.

Yes, a large arena full of people directing energy into praising a god is a powerful instrument.

You cant take that process away from the God that they are praising, and if you can convince me that Yahweh of the bible fame is a good guy, then i'll agree with you that it is a positive vibe in church.

But unless you give a darn good reason for the bloodthirsty killing of hundreds of millions of people, i'll probably not label the energy positive to the worshippers or the people outside anymore than i would label the smell of a barbeque to be positive for the animals being cooked even if people can go "wow, that smell is generating such a positive vibe in me".

I'm not trying to be mean but i do hope you see my point about this?

that you brought and use the time to go gather food or clothes from the local neighbourhood for the poor. But i must admit, a warm church with people to pat on the back is usually preferable to the cold street. But tuning out is a perfectly good way to face religious dissodance.

You apparently have me confused with someone else. I offered my opinion in response to your request, so I'm going to exit this discussion now. Best wishes on whatever you decide!

In what part of my discussion with you did I indicate I was confused and not talking with you about this? And at what part did you assume its a good idea to use Ad hominem on someone you've talked with before.

You're just having your period little lady, it will pass

See thats not very nice is it. Ad hominems

Dont talk like to me like I'm an idiot confusing you with someone else, please, thats very rude.

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Its that "is going to this ceremony a worse thing that staying at home and arguing on the internet"

I say go do it and have someone take pictures.

Let us know how it all turns out. Post pics. Otherwise you will go through life saying to yourself "what if?"

I may document it, but I'll not participate in it. It was an interesting opportunity but one i'll semi-gladly waste doing something else that i would ask "what if" to myself, such as taking a walk outside

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@Cyan

So though an entire lifetime, the worst you can come up with is a hissy fit in a temple? Sounds pretty mild to me. Did he ever punch anybody out?

Neither did Hitler but he ended up killing quite a few.

Here's the funny thing: You say you don't want to support 'Yahweh' when that's exactly what you would be doing by participating in the black mass. There is a reason Jesus came as a wanderer from the highest vibration of the 4D spectrum in the religion and position he did; the teachings of the old testament jews was completely corrupted by Orion entities. Ra speaks of this very, very clearly.

Exactly, which is why I chose not to participate, the possibility i would have of corrupting a corrupted ritual by a corrupted entity would be too risky.

So if you want to walk the walk, you probably shouldn't be supporting the entity you seem to hate the most. Listen to the things you are proposing like animal & blood sacrifice; hmmm - what does that remind me of? Didn't the OT jews do a lot of that?

Yup. Which is why i'm bowing out of this one.

As we reach the end of cycle, our intention becomes more and more powerful. If we truly want to enforce the positive vibrations towards 4D+, we must focus upon those energies rather than trying to misdirect or confuse the energies of the STS. They have their own harvest to meet. Don't get distracted with others' catalyst; practice what you preach.

Yup, Which is why i'm bowing out of this one But it was fun as heck to think about, first time i've been invited to something like that. Its always interesting to ponder new opportunities.

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Paint your car pink then drive into the ceremony with this playing loudly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeUiUYRlVE.

I'am picturing this in my head and it's gold hehe. I think Lord Lucifer himself would have a giggle at this.

Oh oh, sweet jesus, you'll laugh at this.

From : http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/bright.html

A Pen and Paper RPG about angels and demons having a kind of cold war that goes on "for eternity" about directing humans in a cosmic play towards one or the other end of the moral scale of "the symphony of life".

"You're only annoying when you act annoying," my angel chastised. She stopped at the mouth of the alleyway. "Stand near the curb and tell me when you see a purple car. You can't miss it." I did as requested, and within a few minutes the ugliest, most horrendously – well, purple – car I'd ever seen crept around the corner. I signalled her and she stepped out of the alley, flagging it down like you would a taxi. It stopped instantly, the smell of burnt rubber lingering in the air.

The car's rear door opened, and Nicole pushed me forward toward it.

"He's a friend of mine," she called, retreating back into the alley. "I'll catch up with you guys in a jiff."

I stumbled in, and the ugliest car in the world pulled away from the curb so quickly I fell into the floorboards.

....

Yeah, that somehow reminds me of what you said

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Paint your car pink then drive into the ceremony with this playing loudly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeUiUYRlVE.

I'am picturing this in my head and it's gold hehe. I think Lord Lucifer himself would have a giggle at this.

Yes!!! That's perfect! And Cyan, you're going to need your strength. It will be a night of no small exertion. So be sure to eat well beforehand!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbV0VhlIzzo

This meal will get you in the mood and provide plenty of stamina!

ahh, a second response *huggle* you didnt leave after all!



*Watches videos linked*

I may have to bookmark this show for culinary advice...

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I am sorry to recite something from South Park, but I feel like this is perfectly appropriate.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?"

...just stop doing it

Yes, you heard me people, stop the following things:

Eating or consuming anything that causes changed in the emotional mood state of your basic being.

I recommend a nutritionally balanced paste with water. Matrix resistance has a good idea about this.

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Would this be the point of "My fall" or the point of "My ascension"

Hard to say.

But thoughts. Should i participate, refuse to participate, participate and do a counter counter mass (Dedicate to Ra anyone?)

Opinions, how would i best go about making this a ridiclously positive event for all involved?

It's your choice of course, but since you asked for an opinion... If I would be you, I would refrain from this ritual 10 times of 10. Because for instance, you mentioned that going to the church is "tuning out" for a non Christian. Well, it might be, but it's still "do-able" by focusing on the appropriate configuration in its own mind, since a lot of stuff in the church are of positive nature. Imagine now, a completely negative environment. Because even if the church might have negative colorings, it is still positive in its intention and conscious desire, although yes, having this negative mixed orientation. But imagine an openly completely negative environment! I think that it's almost impossible to tune into the light and love in that kind of environment...? It reminds me of what Ra said about impossibility to polarize positively on a negative planet...

When I ask for an opinion, I ask for an opinion, and I accept all feedback except personal insults or insinuations of personal insulting nature. No need to be afraid to give opinions . To the post itself:

I see the church as a completely negative orientation. So, yes, i agree i should stay away 10/10 from both church and this mass. =). That is because i consider the concept of the "original sin" to be the worst travasty that you could lay on a sentient being.

Another thing that would keep me away from that meeting is that you might or might not be a wanderer. Many might say that it doesn't matter, but it does in my own humble opinion. Because if you are a wanderer, you have a different, denser light of your spirit complex. And that attracts the attention. You will be like a bright flashlight in the darkness, and there might be some entities who would perhaps not like that. I am thinking that this kind of gathering might be attended by many time/space beings of the negative polarity looking for "fun" or something else, and when seeing you they might get some ideas, and this meeting might attract to you a companion.

I have quite a sizable number of "companions" in a way. That is, I have both intentioally deeply STS and STO people in my contact lists, that is mostly because i'm aiming for a path with no polarity so i accept both if they act according to the moral fiber of the situation and do not make a trouble of themselves. Has worked thus far, but thats only because i've worked within social frameworks where the people that i am introduced to have already been aware of the pre-existing conditions for entrance to my social network. This would be entirely different in a massive way and i believe overall, a bad idea and for the reasons you specified as well as the actual possibility of being a high-level wanderer doing something like this.

It may be that i'm 5th STO or maybe even early 6th STO without veil, who knows, either way, if i'm anything but early 4th D STO and i do something like this with an actual intent of summoning something and / or corrupting the ritual. I dont think a flashlight would be the proper analogue. I think a H-Bomb sized flashbang would be the proper analogue in terms of attention gathering. All in all, not a good idea

But hey, welcome to the density of free will, and have fun in whatever you choose. /

Thank you, i usually try to. This has, at least, sparked a VERY lively debate here and some interesting opinions have been forwarded by all parties.

More to the point, i would love to see what happens if I would ever come to homecoming with a STS oriented friend who is into LOO related material. It would probably be a tremendous opportunity for both sides to gain new insights and new ways of looking at things.

[Meerie]

[hogey11]

Neither did Hitler but he ended up killing quite a few.

Did you really just compare Jesus to Hitler?

Seems to me that one of those people completed his pre-incarnational goal and the other utterly failed (as Hitler was ultimately an STO entity). That is what we are talking about here. Staying on the right track.

So I agree with you on Hitler - don't try to screw up like he did. But I disagree with you on Jesus - he has brought much love and light to this planet in it's greatest time of need (the last 2500 years of the final 25,000 year 3D cycle). For Hitler, while he provided immense amounts of catalyst for the planet, the catalyst he provided probably led him to have to endure a lot of healing on 'the other side'. That's why Jesus ascended and Hitler became worm food. We are here to progress - not take steps back. That is why so many here felt the need to warn you. I am glad you are not going to be playing with fire.

Finally, and i'm sorry if I offend you with this, but it is intellectually unfair and ignorant to blame the misgivings of the Church through the 'dark ages' and all of the death and suffering that came with it on Jesus or on the enlightened one from which any religion stems. The energy is provided from the OIC; it is up to us to decide how to use it. We are to blame; not anybody else. Again, this is where you are not admitting the most basic aspect of our existence; in our 3D world, duality lies in everything. Religion is not purely STS, nor is it STO. To act like either is true is to not follow the Law of One. Both are true; that is the reality. So in this case, we have lessons (the parables and Jesus' gnostic teachings) that are very positive and loving in their orientation. We also have an organization that follows these teachings, from which countless unspeakable evil acts have come forth. Where is the problem here? Why do you throw the baby out with the bathwater?

[Monica]

Ahh, that explains your fear of fear as being something that should be afraid of and avoided.

No, no fear at all. I just choose to not pollute my mind with STS energies.

My point here is that it is difficult, if not downright impossible to judge a "book by its cover"

I've read both the Bible and Anton LeVey's 'Satanic Bible.'

The Bible was, in my opinion, a mixed bag of both STO and STS, reaching both the highest levels of pure STO ("forgive 70 x 7, love your enemy" etc.) and the darkest STS (blood sacrifice rituals, genocide, etc.).

The Satanic Bible was, in my opinion, a knee-jerk reaction to the Bible with little substance, but what little substance it did have was all about self.

In what part of my discussion with you did I indicate I was confused and not talking with you about this? And at what part did you assume its a good idea to use Ad hominem on someone you've talked with before.

See thats not very nice is it. Ad hominems

No, not ad hominem. Your responses to me seemed to indicate that you had me confused with someone who goes to church and has bought into the whole religious dogma thing.

I don't go to church. But lots of people (including Carla) do go to church, and get great value from it. There IS good to be found there. It's not all negative.

You're just having your period little lady, it will pass

You've just crossed a line, Cyan. You clearly have a lot of bitterness about religion. You asked for advice. ALL of us who have responded have been unanimous in our stance. It's your choice whether to consider our advice or reject it.

But don't take your battle with religion into this forum and turn it on the very people who were trying to help you. That's unacceptable.

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(as Hitler was ultimately an STO entity).

Great post, hogey! I agree, except for this one point.

35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary for you to recover what you have already given. Could you complete that information?
Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.

Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing.

This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure. However, in drifting from the conscious polarization into what you may call a twilight world where dream took the place of events in your space/time continuum, this entity failed in its attempt to serve the Creator in an harvestable degree along the path of service to self. Thus we see the so-called insanity which may often arise when an entity attempts to polarize more quickly than experience may be integrated.

We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.

[Unbound]

Ah, this thread is an excellent example of what the vibration of "satan" is designed to do. Divide and conquer!

[DirndlDude]

Just out of curiosity.

Satanists, luciferiansitas and other occultists of various seriousness are holding a openly Satanist (in the actual worshipping satan sense) worship ritual in my country. Their idea is to do a reverse dedication to satan/lucifer as opposed to the usual christmas dedication rituals.

I am, on a level, interested in joining due to the various... mythological... disagreements i have with christianity and especially its nice habbit of burning everything it comes in contact with, especially other religions.

But on a another hand, it is a dark mass...

IF i were to participate in person i would wear all black and have a black mask similar to eyes wide shut with all related and accepted magical apparel of the "eyes wide shut" style.

I dont know, on some level i find it hilarious that i'm invited to a openly black mass being something of a politican with "illuminati" connections in a forum where people discuss channelings from beyond the grave and some of the posters refer to worshipping lord lucifer.

Would this be the point of "My fall" or the point of "My ascension"

Hard to say.

But thoughts. Should i participate, refuse to participate, participate and do a counter counter mass (Dedicate to Ra anyone?)

Opinions, how would i best go about making this a ridiclously positive event for all involved?

edit: in chat for the time being if more in person talk is preferable, will also accept opinions via PM. Is this quite possibly the dumbest idea i've had thus far.

The idea is to get a right for protest from the gov into the central plaza in town.

Then to buy maybe 3-5 liters of pig blood, put it in bottles with these screw on caps that allow a small stream at a time, use that to draw a pentagram on the snow according to the proper instructions.

Wearing all black thick ritual style clothing along with the staff i carved from my previous years christmas tree. Essentially repeat the eyes wide shut scene. Go insanely all out on the ritual garb and details and make it as authentic looking and feeling as possible, up to and including writing and drawing secondary symbols known to work (metatron etc).

Then once its all put down play the proper ritual music and step into the circle and light candles at appropriate placements around the circle and in a loud and steady voice start reading the proclamation and sing a few hymns or something and then "bless" anyone who wants a blessing. Then step out of the circle and break it and then shovel all the snow into bags and dispose of it in the trash appropriately and take of the garb in public and then answer any questions that anyone may have.

Idea being to introduce people to the idea that yes, there are actually other religions besides monotheistic abrahimic religions. That and, for me personally, to bring some of this stuff to light. Since I am a "politican" with "illuminati" (thats how most people would understand this forum) connections that dabbles in magic and spirits it would be both authentic and real. With the added benefit that it would allow me, as a STO oriented entity (in a way) to actually shine the light on these matters and describe how they are done and how people do this stuff... Dunno.

Heavy topic.

It feels like a movie. I imagine making scenes like in "eyes wide shut" and in "Indiana jones" would be enjoyable and fun. My fears would keep me from filming it at a location I hadn't legally rented. I do feel joy imagining making the scene.

[Sagittarius]

Honestly if you feel like going then go. Worst case scenario is you have a laugh and go home. Could be interesting and may even provide more perspective and experience. If you were invited I would take that as a sign that there is an opportunity for you there. My guess is you could provide catalyst for the others there. Sounds like a service opportunity to me.

[xise]

If you have a strong desire to go then you should go, but I just get the image of a man jumping into leech infested waters. The man jumping into the water is you, and the leeches would be all the thought-forms that would find you especially interesting. But in my experience, negative contacts pale in comparison to the sts shadow in most of us.

I know I've been told repeatedly at the local new age store that they can tell how many meth addicts I've worked with in the past month by a few lingering thoughtforms that have gotten onto me. Nothing a little sage usually doesn't solve, but just saying that if you go you probably will experience something similar.

Be sure to figure out a way to clear yourself of any darkness you feel before, during, and after! (Black Tourmaline?)

[Monica]

Jesus - he has brought much love and light to this planet in it's greatest time of need (the last 2500 years of the final 25,000 year 3D cycle)...t is intellectually unfair and ignorant to blame the misgivings of the Church through the 'dark ages' and all of the death and suffering that came with it on Jesus or on the enlightened one from which any religion stems.

I agree that equating Jesus - whom, we know from Ra, is a Wanderer who had a very important mission - with the religion in his name is unfair and quite inaccurate.

I can understand having issues with the Abrahamic religions. There is indeed a great deal of negativity to be found therein. But the religions shouldn't be confused with the great avatars who came to this planet to accomplish specific missions. It is the fault of their followers if their teachings were corrupted.

Let's see what Ra has to say about Jesus:

17.11 Questioner: What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?
Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth* density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth* density, representing the fifth-density* understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

* This should be fourth. Ra corrects the error in the next answer.

75.15 Questioner: The chink then, as I understand it, was originally created by the decision of Jesus to take the path of martyrdom? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is, in relation to this instrument, quite correct. It is aware of certain over-balances towards love, even to martyrdom but has not yet, to any significant degree, balanced these distortions. We do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. It is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.

Q'uo had a bit to say as well:

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0107.aspx

I am Q’uo. The phenomenon known to you as Jesus is a principle of the Logos, or Love, that has moved through the densities as any other entity, but was created slightly differently than those of you who swim beneath the sea of illusion. This entity also wished to live a life that was a poem to the Creator, and again, and again, on planet after planet, this entity comes into incarnation with the special character of partial remembrance. In other words, this entity contains more of the Logos, or Love, than free will, whereas each of you contain the bonding of Love and free will, against which you must challenge yourself to find a unity of being.

This entity was a good teacher of the message of the Law of One. Again and again the message is misunderstood. Again and again the Creator sends forth that special part of Itself which retains the consciousness of unconditional love rather than having it disappear beneath the veil. This entity has helped many, many civilizations.

Each of you is equally son or daughter, heir or heiress, Christ, of God, but each of you are deeply enmeshed in a negatively oriented mundane world. You do not have the ability which this special entity had to perceive and do the Creator’s will in joy, no matter what the circumstances, no matter what the cost. However, each of you is brother or sister to the Christ principle. The Christ principle resides within each of you. You are Christ. But you are separated from the knowledge of that portion of yourself, that you may feel iniquitous, guilty, angry, frustrated and disharmonious, and thereby offer to yourselves the catalyst which is needed for growth and polarization in the choices that you make to serve others or to serve the self.

Shall you one day be a Christ? There is only one Christ that is part of the Creator or the Logos that has been given the dispensation not to forget in third density. This does not mean that you are lesser. It means you struggle against more difficult circumstances, for you struggle in a life full of faith instead of knowledge. To the one known as Jesus there was little mystery in the Creator, in itself, and in humankind. To the rest of creation there remain grave questions to be answered, a truth for which to be sought, although the truth shall not be forthcoming within this density. There is the instinctive hunger to move closer and closer to that principle of consciousness which is freely given, unconditionally given, love. You labor against an immense handicap. Do not be discouraged. In the words of this particular entity, when mistakes are made, they are not counted. It is merely an opportunity to realign the life pattern so that the lesson may once again come before the entity.

There is no judgment save the judgment of the self by the self. Consequently, we suggest that each spend time forgiving the self and praying for those who are not seemingly helpful to you, for so would the Christ consciousness do. So is the I AM of love.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0402.aspx

Both entities, Jesus and Siddhartha, offer tremendous resources to those who are seeking the truth. They have different areas of appeal but that which they hold in common is powerful. To them both the seeking of the Creator, service to the Creator, time spent in the company of the Creator are all in all. To both, there is no priority greater than spiritual seeking. Both of them lived lives that indicated this preference, this concern, and this devotion.

There are two different styles of seeking when gazing at these two powerful and poignant beings. To one, knowing that his kingdom was not of this world, he nevertheless entered into the world with all of his heart and soul and nothing in his heart but love for all he saw. As he entered in, so his physical body was destroyed by that which he took upon himself: the suffering of the world. All suffering was taken into the self and accepted. That it destroyed his physical body was not that which was important to the one known as Jesus the Christ, but rather that he do his father’s bidding. “Not my will, but thine,” were his words.

The Buddha saw the same world and knew that he was not of it or part of it. Consequently, his path did not move into the open heart and take all of the suffering of the world into the self. Rather, he allowed the things of the world to fall away as they seemed to want to fall away in his view. Over the period of a lifetime he was able to investigate each path in the world and conclude that that was not his path. The principle of “neti-neti, not this and not that” [1] comes into play here. Thusly, as the Buddha allowed all to fall away except the seeking for the one Creator, the entity no longer was concerned with the suffering of the world except to pray that all suffering might cease. There was not the attempt to take on the suffering of the world; rather, the attempt was to allow the suffering of the one known as the Buddha to fall away and as suffering fell away from the Buddha, so it would fall away from the world.

The teachings of the one known as Jesus appeal to those who enjoy the feeling of an open heart, a heart open to love. The teachings of the one known as Siddhartha appeal to those who seek wisdom. Yet, the compassionate follower of Christ and the compassionate follower of Buddha meet in the middle where love and wisdom are balanced. Consequently, either path is sound and useful. And we might suggest to those who are Buddhist or Hindu and have followed the path of the Buddha for their lifetime that they investigate what it is to follow the teachings of the one known as Jesus. It is equally useful for those who have followed the teachings of Jesus over the period of their lifetime to investigate and enter into the teachings of the one known as Siddhartha.

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It is sometimes very difficult to separate entities such as Jesus the Christ, or Siddhartha the Buddha, from the institutions and cultural expectations that have grown up about these entities after their deaths. They have no control over what happens. They are no longer of this density. And those of this density, intent upon influence and power, have systematically attempted to alter the mystical teachings of these two leaders to approximate something that can make money and be sustainable. Therefore, if you wish to follow either entity, it is well to look for the source of teachings, to look for that which has been offered by these great teachers, rather than listening to the rhetoric of those who supposedly follow these teachers.

To follow either of these two men is very difficult because of the confusion that has arisen over centuries of distortion. Yet it is entirely possible to win through to a relatively undistorted grasp of that which is offered by the one known as the Buddha. An entity needing to look more closely at the Buddha just as an entity needing to look more closely at the one known as Jesus, the Christ, needs to do a continuing and daily amount of inner work to support the attempt and we recommend whatever form of entering the silence would be helpful to you in order to support the realizations that you are attempting to seat within your consciousness.

Both the Christ and the Buddha vibrate at a certain energy. It is a similar energy. The heart of following either entity is to avail yourself of this vibration. As you avail yourself of this vibration, you become that which you are seeking to learn. And as you gradually are able to allow this understanding, shall we say, to penetrate into the very depths and roots of your mind and consciousness, you will be able to avoid the distortion that is rampant.

[Cyan]

I'll probably take a day or two to reply more in depth to this (the topic of the thread, the black mass itself) and let some of the initial waves settle. Clearly there are a lot of difficulties for many in facing potential shadow selves.

I am still greatly surprised and smiling widely that there are so many that see what I mean. If you are asked to serve as a minister (in a manner of speaking) in a sermon not of your own orientation or religion, would your “god” be offended?

Mine would not be and would consider that I tried to help someone serve their god to be a good thing.

There is rarely (but not never), anything wrong with helping people serve whatever gods they choose to serve. Or helping them not serve if they do not wish to serve.

I thank all participants for a thus far productive dialogue on the nature of the "old guy downstairs" and its distortions. Thank you all . A difficult topic indeed, one might even say, a complex topic, perhaps, by studying such complex, thought evoking topics, we indeed, become complex creatures, to become something more difficult and complex than we have been before. Where not many an occultists sticks in mudd about humor and dark topics, I'd crack a joke here, but I feel such jokes breeze past confused me!

I will respond to this due to the seeming urgency for various feathers ruffled:

Monica, no harm is meant anymore in my statement than was meant in yours, I see no harm in either, and see no line I have crossed. If such a line exists would you be so kind as to point it out to me so I can kindly point out where your footprints are all over it. Much to you my friend.

To refresh what I am referring to:

You apparently have me confused with someone else. I offered my opinion in response to your request, so I'm going to exit this discussion now. Best wishes on whatever you decide!

To which I responded:

In what part of my discussion with you did I indicate I was confused and not talking with you about this? And at what part did you assume its a good idea to use Ad hominem on someone you've talked with before.

Let me clarify what I mean in the simplest language I can in the most straight forward way that I can. So, please, bear with me as this may sound hollywoodesque, but, you may blame a sometimes unhealthy interest in the American conversational style, especially that of the classy stranger.

“You apparently have me confused with someone who reacts to insinuations of confusion politely.”

Now, I will attempt to make my same point about lines and their crossing, and dotting the I, in, by my calculation, fourth or the fifth time in a row, I am hoping a carefully worded calm explanation of why, because I chose to not be offended by you crossing the line first, you should, in fairness and honesty, either be offended at yourself for crossing the line first, or, preferably, put your hands up in the air like you just don’t care and laugh about it all. Here goes:

Perhaps, I have confused you with someone who accepts others using same offensive insinuations to you that you label on others so glibly. If I am wrong, then I apologize and agree to not use the same level of insinuated incompetence at you that you wish to level against me based on anger. Or perhaps there is no anger in your message, and I do not know what you feel without asking, just as, perhaps there was no confusion, and you do not know what I was feeling without asking, such conundrums these emotions.

If I am however right and the case here is one of ruffled feathers and dinged halos. Cooler heads will prevail in a few days and we’ll all be able to read well formulated calm and useful discussions on these topics in the same extremely high quality I have come to expect and love in the B4 community. I retort to you extra snippily in comparison to others “south park mmkaaaay” comes to mind, because you have taken a great deal of time and effort to write well articulated posts on many occasions and, I believe here the word is appropriate, “hate” to see such a beautifully worded defense of your opinion broken down by such a pointless Ad-Hominem. You are so much better than that Monica! I believe in you Girl!

I hope my expression of love is not taken for arrogance, I have such trouble tuning my communication to the accepted level in such a large community and a delicate topic, without causing distortions that I find unacceptable, so I rarely express opinions of this complexity and level of clarity, so it may seem arrogant and to a point, out of context, but I prefer to articulately clearly and in a calm manner why I believe, that if anger here is truly the emotion felt, that some line has been crossed, then such a line, I hope and believe, will upon closer inspection be found to be little more than a wrinkle in the landscape of our common heart, and I hope that such wrinkles do not cause a frown on anyone’s face.

But, it is my hope and version of reality that if you reserve the right to insinuate on the wrongness and rightness of someone else’s opinion based on what you believe they are feeling when talking with you, in this case the emotional state of “confusion” then, you open yourself up to others interpreting what you are feeling when you are talking with them, in my remark which is constructed solely around your gender and in no way around what you wrote “menstrual pains”.

The reason I chose such, instead of attributes more personal such as accents, manners or personal points, is that anyone who knows and has read my posts and studied my style of habitation in being here, should understand by now that sexism would most likely be quite a long distance away from what I consider to be a smart move, in almost any reality. Therefore my retort should be understood in the clearest of terms to be an example of, and an indication of, that I do not consider it appropriate or in general accept insinuations of the validity of my mental state, or the lucidity of my verbal acumen to the argument at hand, unless sufficient evidence is provided to back up such claims of confusion. Simply disagreeing with me, is, in my view, not sufficient cause insinuate that I am “confused” anymore than me disagreeing with you is cause to insinuate that it because of your “gender” (such as it is, I do not believe it to exists, but that is a different topic, in short, I do not believe there to be a meaningful separation of genders anymore for any human alive at this moment in other than, perhaps, the metaphysical realm).

Still with me? Sure hope so.

If you wish to exchange barbs more on the topic of lines and I’s, I recommend one of these:



I know I’ll install one on my ship if I ever get it built, you may loan it (the anger dome I mean), if you ever need it, friend. =)

There, if I calculated this right, and I’m not sure I did, this being the density of not knowing and what not, there should be an equal amount of, in terms of communicated energy, of barbs and extensions of friendship in my message, back and over again that imaginary line that separates imagined friends from real friends, friends by association and friends regardless of association.

I may be wrong but that should be an a 3 light blue loop with interspaced red lines into which sideways is written “discernment + all is well” but looking like a beam of light if looked at directly which usually irritates the eyes slightly, but unfortunately, it is the mildest version I can do while still maintaining my integrity in this situation and not compromise my internal consistency to serve a exterior actor which chooses to take offence at the echo. Because, why are you here being offended, when you could be out playing in the sunshine and/or snow? That, I believe, is always an appropriate question to ask in a moment when lines seem to dominate, round is called for.

*looks around*

Yeah, I think that was it about this topic of offence and taking offence. Do as thou wilt, I have expressed myself to the best of my ability for the, it is all I can really ask for.



That’s my take on this thread and also, I like to whistle too. : ) (this is also for those who say less weed)

I hope I have given you enough ointment on ruffled feathers my little angel friend Monica Much for it!

[Monica]

Cyan, the only thing I said that could even remotely be interpreted as a barb was this:

You apparently have me confused with someone else.

Which you seem to have gotten quite offended by.

So, to clarify why I said that: If you read the posts just prior to this one, you will see that I offered my opinion in response to your question, along with a passing comment about both STO and STS being found in a church, but only STS in a black mass. This is my opinion.

But, rather than directly discuss those points (with which you apparently disagree) you then proceeded to rant about the reasons people go to church, using the word "you" as though directing your comments at me, despite me telling you I'm not a church-goer.

Quite frankly, I have no interest in getting into a debate about Christianity! You may be surprised to learn that I actually agree with a great deal of what you said about the negativity to be found therein; the only part I expressly disagreed with was that there isn't also positive. Oh, and the comments about Jesus: I disagree with you on those and am quite surprised to see such a lack of respect for a high Wanderer.

Regardless, I joined this thread because you asked for advice. I offered mine. In fact, I intentionally avoided getting too deep at first, instead opting for a single word 'yes' in response to what you seem to have already figured out...I thought my excursion into this thread would be a quick zip in and out.

But suddenly, I found myself being sucked into a rant about the evils of religion, and I simply am not interested in going down that road right now. Maybe at another time, perhaps, but not now.

So, I stated (in what I thought was a polite way) that I was exiting the conversation. Apparently, my mistake was in saying "Apparently you have me confused with someone else" which is, apparently, what started all this fuss.

The reason I said that was that you did seem to have me confused with someone who is a church-goer and who has completely bought into religious dogma, despite me assuring you otherwise. So I gave up trying to defend my 'non-religious' stance, because I saw no point in explaining myself to you, and simply made the statement that I'm not what you think I am.

But, I can see now that the statement wasn't clear. I'm sorry for not being clear and for not realizing that my statement could trigger such a reaction in you. I did not, in any way, intend to imply that you were an idiot! (I have no idea how you got that out of what I said!)

May I suggest that, instead of jumping to conclusions and thinking that I thought you were an "idiot" (which I didn't), perhaps you could have just asked me for clarification? Instead of stooping so low as to make condescending, derogatory, sexist remarks which no self-respecting woman would tolerate?

Yes, a line was crossed. Sexist remarks cross a line, just as racist remarks cross a line. I was never angry at you, but I simply don't tolerate such remarks directed my way, or at anyone else for that matter.

Edit: I just watched the Scrubs clip. It made me laugh! With my Vegan Black Metal Chef, I guess we'll call it a draw, ok? Just no more sexist remarks and we'll be golden.

[Brittany]

That's it. Everyone on this thread needs a serious hug.

Resistance is futile. You WILL be loved!

[reeay]

[βαθμιαίος]

Is this the event?

http://turunhengentieteenseura.wordpress...aatanalle/

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl...2F&act=url

Found it here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...071906/pg1

[Cyan]

ahh, there we go

I've folded from their webpage and activities as the organizers intend to make it a joke and not an actual event. Sad, because I was actually in a way looking forward to seeing their religious sermon.

Some of the stuff that was going around about it was rather wild but sadly, they seem to have "fratboid out"

[Tenet Nosce]

So lemme get this straight... attending a "dark mass" in order to bring love to it and transform it into a "ridiclously positive event" is a really, really BAD idea.

But having regular group meditations in which we drop "love bombs" on negative entities is a really, really GOOD idea?

[Cyan]

So lemme get this straight... attending a "dark mass" in order to bring love to it and transform it into a "ridiclously positive event" is a really, really BAD idea.

But having regular group meditations in which we drop "love bombs" on negative entities is a really, really GOOD idea?

My thought on it is that transforming anything regardless of the intent without the expressed permission, preferably in writing if there is any doubt, beforehand, is a neccesary component.

I would not take part in any kind of love bombing.

Make love, not bomb love.