Amusing ourselves with distortion

[Sacred Fool]

The quote below is from Ra Session 1 and it seems to sum up the whole deal for me. (Why read any further?)

When I query about how I distance myself from Divinity by creating distortions, my first hit has to do with an inherent bent towards interpreting things so that they'll fall in my favor. Because I have a certain knack for cleverness, this appeals to me. But I feel it's a way I strongly diverge from the reality of Oneness. If I didn't do this, down to the level of detail, I expect I'd be living in far deeper communion with Divine Grace.

Another way I amuse myself with distortions is to spin around and around in the same circles of animosity or self-righteousness. Sometimes it's hard for me to let go of patterns that re-enforce for me (note: for ME...I'm only fooling myself) a sense of importance or validation.

I'll stop here for now, but I'm wondering what others might have to say about how amusing themselves with distortions in their "Life on Planet Earth" maintains their separation from Oneness. Or maybe you have a different reaction to the quotation?

Funny, it brings forth a lot of grief from within me as I re-read it.

Thanks.
~P~


Thus spake Ra in Session 1:

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

[βαθμιαίος]

I've always read that quote in a more fundamental way (not saying it's a better way, just different) -- we are amusing ourselves by being incarnate. We could have chosen to remain part of the Creator and never individualized; instead we chose to enter the world of distortion -- free will, love, light, and all the rest.

[Turtle]

Yeah..that quote from Ra is amazing to say the least...especially now that I've come to understand that is exactly how I believe in my reality. What a concept! Godspeed!

[Lavazza]

I love the last line of your quote...

"You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."

I also use βαθμιαίος's interpretation.

[Sacred Fool]

I've always read that quote in a more fundamental way (not saying it's a better way, just different) -- we are amusing ourselves by being incarnate. We could have chosen to remain part of the Creator and never individualized; instead we chose to enter the world of distortion -- free will, love, light, and all the rest.

You know, Bath., I''l bet I also read it that way some years ago. I've had to think about why it stirs me this other way at this stage. I'm not wholly sure, but I think I feel now much closer to being able to melt into a less distorted configuration than I'm in now (more like in the good old days, as it were). It just feels more personal now that it's more clear to me that I'm actually actively perpetuating this degree of separation by playing games (amusing myself) when I could be significantly more integrated with my own divinity, my deeper identity. Reading it now makes me feel nostalgic and silly.

Oh, well. Good catalyst, eh?

Yeah..that quote from Ra is amazing to say the least...especially now that I've come to understand that is exactly how I believe in my reality. What a concept! Godspeed!

Just curious, Turtle: How do you understand your reality now?

[Turtle]

Just curious, Turtle: How do you understand your reality now?

I understand that what I consider to be the most important beliefs I have, come from what I "resonate" with or "like to believe", seeing as how the supporting evidence and personal experiences which shape my beliefs will change depending upon a person's viewpoint. Everyone has their own perspective on things..and a lot of the things we as a society accept as "facts" or "truths" are subject to interpretation, as well as subject to changing completely, given time and/or new discoveries.

So what I understand is that this idea of absolute truths (something which would be absolute amongst every known/unknown level of existence) are pretty much useless to chase after in this reality, seeing as how we have our own unique perceptions and desires of what existence is, or should be, as well as a VERY limited looking glass to work with being our physical human bodies. The most progressive and groundbreaking ideas of how existence works, are limited to the realm of THEORY, and most likely always will be as long as we perceive our world through this shell.

This is how I've chosen to understand my reality.

How I believe reality works, is quite elegantly spoken by Ra in the quote you provided in your first post on this thread. It was so beautifully written, that I had to save that quote elsewhere on my harddrive

Godspeed...in all of our endeavors!

[βαθμιαίος]

You know, Bath., I''l bet I also read it that way some years ago. I've had to think about why it stirs me this other way at this stage. I'm not wholly sure, but I think I feel now much closer to being able to melt into a less distorted configuration than I'm in now (more like in the good old days, as it were). It just feels more personal now that it's more clear to me that I'm actually actively perpetuating this degree of separation by playing games (amusing myself) when I could be significantly more integrated with my own divinity, my deeper identity. Reading it now makes me feel nostalgic and silly.

Oh, well. Good catalyst, eh?

Sounds like a case of Homesickness, with a capital H.

Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
Hath had elsewhere its setting,
And cometh from afar:
Not in entire forgetfulness,
And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come
From God, who is our home:

I suppose the two interpretations of Ra's quote really aren't that different, given that according to Ra we can, if we desire, in a moment open the gateway to Intelligent Infinity and walk on through. We chose distortion and continue to do so.

But I don't find it silly to choose distortion, at least not at this moment (I'm sure there will be moments when I do). It's a service we are offering to the Creator.

Or rather, perhaps it would be more accurate to say yes, it's silly, gloriously so!

[Lorna]

"You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."

I adore this quote, so very elegant.

One of the things that amuses me about Ra is the way it so trivialises the things we attach importance to - polarity? pfft doesn't really matter anyway - and the references to dancing always bring to mind the beauty of creation - quotes like these tangibly lighten me when i read them

[Sacred Fool]

Sounds like a case of Homesickness, with a capital H.

I know what you're aiming at with "Homesickness" and it's definitely a longing feeling. But it's not exactly a place I'd rather be, it's...well it's hard to articulate.

This is a quote from the session I had with Q'uo. [P=J] It sums it up pretty well. http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0414.aspx

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

Hope you don't mind me calling you "Bath.," BTW. Years ago I sang as a section leader (paid) in a Greek Orthodox church choir in Astoria, NY. I had to learn Greek phonetically, but have forgotten most of it since then. Beta, alpha , theta is as far as I can go in your chosen identity. I looked at your transliteration, but I can't remember it.

~P~


Oh, BTW, regarding the above quote, so far I haven't even *entered* the sanctum sanctorum, much less marched out. But I'll be sure to post it as soon as I do. (ha ha ha)

L/L, dude!

[βαθμιαίος]

I know what you're aiming at with "Homesickness" and it's definitely a longing feeling. But it's not exactly a place I'd rather be, it's...well it's hard to articulate.

Well, I wasn't thinking of the Creator as a place, exactly. More like a state of being, which I suppose is what you're saying, too.

And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

Far be it from me to criticize the great and powerful Q'uo, but I think there are subtle pejoratives in that quote that, perhaps, undervalue confusion and distortion: "from that perspective alone", "full knowledge ... for the first time", "ready at last to do serious work".

Hope you don't mind me calling you "Bath.,"

Not at all.

Oh, By the way, regarding the above quote, so far I haven't even *entered* the sanctum sanctorum, much less marched out. But I'll be sure to post it as soon as I do. (ha ha ha)

If you still want to!

[Sacred Fool]

And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

Far be it from me to criticize the great and powerful Q'uo, but I think there are subtle pejoratives in that quote that, perhaps, undervalue confusion and distortion: "from that perspective alone", "full knowledge ... for the first time", "ready at last to do serious work".

Huh? Curious as to why you find those pejorative. [BTW, emphasis in the speaking was on "serious."] Does it not add up that in complete "nakedness" (i.e., energy flow undistorted by personally appended attributes of mis-construed identification) that one would then be starting anew in an entirely new format? In other words, that would be the pivot point into a format of having far more capacity for balancing the same old imbalances we enjoy every day?

Regarding The Great and Powerful Q'uo...pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain! (heh heh)

[βαθμιαίος]

I guess I need to read the whole session, but I read that quote to be saying that you are unready to do serious work upon balancing your wisdom until consciousness is the "I" of you; that 'consciousness as the "I" of you' is the only perspective from which one may march from the sanctum sanctorum fed and strengthened, and that this experience would be the first time you had full knowledge of who you are.

I would argue, instead, that you are absolutely ready to do serious work upon balancing your wisdom and indeed are already doing so (witness your balancing energy centers thread); that no matter what perspective one leaves the sanctum sanctorum with one will be fed and strengthened; and that you have almost certainly had many experiences of full knowledge of who you are.

Does it not add up that in complete "nakedness" (i.e., energy flow undistorted by personally appended attributes of mis-construed identification) that one would then be starting anew in an entirely new format? In other words, that would be the pivot point into a format of having far more capacity for balancing the same old imbalances we enjoy every day?

I think it's a state that can be summoned up at will, with practice and effort. In other words, there are big and little enlightenment experiences. While the big ones just seem to happen, and are transformative, the little ones can be invoked and can also be transformative, though of course less earth-shakingly so. Witness Ra's example of the use of the Matrix of the Mind and remember that all the other archetypes can be invoked as well.

Questioner: How is the knowledge of the facets of the archetypical mind used by the individual to accelerate his evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall offer an example based upon this first explored archetype or concept complex. The conscious mind of the adept may be full to bursting of the most abstruse and unimaginable of ideas, so that further ideation becomes impossible and work in blue ray or indigo is blocked through over-activation. It is then that the adept would call upon the new mind, untouched and virgin, and dwell within the archetype of the new and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity, full of the magic of the Logos.

[Sacred Fool]

I would argue, instead, that you are absolutely ready to do serious work upon balancing your wisdom and indeed are already doing so (witness your balancing energy centers thread); that no matter what perspective one leaves the sanctum sanctorum with one will be fed and strengthened; and that you have almost certainly had many experiences of full knowledge of who you are.

Ah, I see. So, you seem to be saying that it's essentially elitist to say that a person is doing serious work at some particular stage in their travels, but if they're not yet at that stage, then what they're doing counts as something less.

I agree entirely.

I apologize for running the train off the tracks a bit. Let's see if we can heave it back on by invoking the Law of Clarity (or whatever).

In that instance, Q'uo wasn't speaking in broad, general terms, but to one specific questioner. Even though I tended to phrase the questions generally, they kept swinging it back eventually towards me. What they were expressing was MY deeper feeling about where *I* want to be, what it would take to satisfy me.

Going back one step further, I brought it up to try to clarify my longing...not exactly Homesickness, but a piercing desire to regain my full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by my personal mis-constructions of identity {utterly charming as they may be ;-)}.

I think it's a state that can be summoned up at will, with practice and effort. In other words, there are big and little enlightenment experiences. While the big ones just seem to happen, and are transformative, the little ones can be invoked and can also be transformative, though of course less earth-shakingly so

Ain't it the truth. And today's big ones quickly become small in the rear view mirror.

Questioner: How is the knowledge of the facets of the archetypical mind used by the individual to accelerate his evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall offer an example based upon this first explored archetype or concept complex. The conscious mind of the adept may be full to bursting of the most abstruse and unimaginable of ideas, so that further ideation becomes impossible and work in blue ray or indigo is blocked through over-activation. It is then that the adept would call upon the new mind, untouched and virgin, and dwell within the archetype of the new and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity, full of the magic of the Logos.

Okay, your turn, Bath. Why does this mean? Bursting conscious mind I get; over-charged chakra I get (though for me it's the 3rd). But what's the rest of it? It sounds like inserting a memory card. What is a matrix of the mind anyhow?

I have to say, ten years ago I studied the Ra Material vigorously. But when it came to the tarot stuff I...uh...maybe wasn't such a good student.

BTW, circling back towards one of your earlier comments, at some point clarification of what distinguishes an adept might be interesting, as well as how to get there and why to bother.

~P~

[βαθμιαίος]

Going back one step further, I brought it up to try to clarify my longing...not exactly Homesickness, but a piercing desire to regain my full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by my personal mis-constructions of identity {utterly charming as they may be ;-)}.

My argument is two-fold: 1) the way to (re)gain the capacity to radiate Love and Light is to radiate Love and Light, observe the consequences, accept and forgive self and other(s) for any shortcomings, and then do it all over again, doubling and redoubling our dedication, and this isn't something we have to wait to begin.

2) I disagree, to some extent, that our radiation of Love and Light needs to be undistorted. The whole point of incarnation, as I understand it, is to radiate in our own special way. As we continue on the path, our efforts will be more and more in tune with the Original Thought (and hence less and less distorted), but they will always retain our energetic imprint. Otherwise, what's the point?

What is a matrix of the mind anyhow?

I have to say, ten years ago I studied the Ra Material vigorously. But when it came to the tarot stuff I...uh...maybe wasn't such a good student.

LOL. I don't know of anyone who can claim to really understand the archetypes. Ra says that they haunt rather than explicate, and that's certainly true! I'm pretty sure that Ra considered them the heart of what they wanted to teach, though.

By the way, circling back towards one of your earlier comments, at some point clarification of what distinguishes an adept might be interesting, as well as how to get there and why to bother.

How about this as a possible definition: "one who has regained the full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by personal mis-constructions of identity"

[Sacred Fool]

By the way, circling back towards one of your earlier comments, at some point clarification of what distinguishes an adept might be interesting, as well as how to get there and why to bother.

How about this as a possible definition: "one who has regained the full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by personal mis-constructions of identity"

Shazzam!!! Kapow!!! Holy hoisted petard, Bathman!

Oh, I can't believe you did that to me! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay...I'm alright now.

Boy, what a way to exemplify the title of a thread! Talk about "amusing yourself with distortions!!" [ha ha]

My argument is two-fold: 1) the way to (re)gain the capacity to radiate Love and Light is to radiate Love and Light, observe the consequences, accept and forgive self and other(s) for any shortcomings, and then do it all over again, doubling and redoubling our dedication, and this isn't something we have to wait to begin.

2) I disagree, to some extent, that our radiation of Love and Light needs to be undistorted. The whole point of incarnation, as I understand it, is to radiate in our own special way. As we continue on the path, our efforts will be more and more in tune with the Original Thought (and hence less and less distorted), but they will always retain our energetic imprint. Otherwise, what's the point?

No argument--but--there's more.

It seems that there are two simultaneous avenues of working, the inner and the outer. What you say above covers well the outer. What about the inner?

Maybe that's where the business of adeptness comes in? Maybe that has to do with the capacity to "do work in consciousness" (whatever that means exactly) inwardly as well as in sphere of outwardly directed consciousness.

Anyhow, I think you might find it more comfortable to see the quote in a larger context, so here's the entire question and the rather loooong answer.

{Note: "These ones in particular" in the question refers to wanders with an energetic profile showing activation in lower chakras, higher chakras, but not so much the heart.}

J: Can you make suggestions which [could] make easier the polarization of these ones in particular?

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We have perhaps made a modest beginning at suggesting the general strategy for working towards the full integration of wisdom and love. We have talked before about the heart chakra. It is a much misunderstood energy center encompassing two distinct aspects.

It is impossible to make a direct assault upon the closed heart. The heart itself is protected within what this instrument would describe as an outer courtyard. The overarching dome of light that signals the presence of consciousness is gently enswathed in the basilica of the inner heart.

Outside of that sanctum sanctorum is that place where entities come, in all their dirt, to see if they are ready to enter their own heart. The difficulty that entities find when attempting to enter their heart is that they must needs integrate all of their personality shell into that entity which stands at the door and seeks entrance. All entities carry the full 360 degrees of personality. The entire spectrum of light and dark lives and thrives within each spirit sent forth by the one infinite Creator before the world was.

For those who carry that arrogance of wisdom, there is subtle work to be done in emptying the pockets of self. It is lonely and unforgiving work to break yourself open to the point where you can see and acknowledge all of the factors that go into what on the surface is a simple and seamless attitude of confidence and self-knowledge. Nevertheless, this is the task ahead of one who wishes to open his heart.

It is a difficult thing to grasp because there is no cleverness involved in opening the heart. There is only the acknowledgment of the falsehood of any claim that one may wish to make to true wisdom. For wisdom uninformed by love is not stable or balanced, in terms of that lesson which entities such as yourself incarnated in order to balance.

The wiser an entity is, the more narrow his ability to see beyond his own intelligence. The ability to use higher chakras further confuses the issue, because from the viewpoint of manifestation, there seems to be such a likelihood that such powerful knowledge will be useful to the self, to the Creator, and to the planet.

In orienting you and those like you to the actual situation, we would ask each to move back in perspective until there is a broadness that takes in all of the third-density pattern. A pattern involves a choice of how to be and how to serve. In third density, the path to graduation involves a simple choice followed by a series of congruent choices which progressively tune the spirit under such discipline to the point where that spirit is able to surrender to love.

The difficulty is in releasing all of the intelligence and knowledge that is so proudly carried and so skillfully used in the outer manifestations of life on planet Earth.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

[βαθμιαίος]

It seems that there are two simultaneous avenues of working, the inner and the outer. What you say above covers well the outer. What about the inner?

Not sure why you say my quote covers outer work but not inner. I think of acceptance, forgiveness, and becoming more in tune with the Original Thought all as inner work. What are you thinking of when you speak of inner work?

Maybe that's where the business of adeptness comes in? Maybe that has to do with the capacity to "do work in consciousness" (whatever that means exactly) inwardly as well as in sphere of outwardly directed consciousness.

It's not clear to me if your goal is adept-type work or opening the heart. The Q'uo quote is all about letting go of cleverness and opening the heart, but I'm not sure that's the heart of your interest, so to speak.

Carla is a mystical Christian. My guess is that something like this was in her mind as she was passing on Q'uo's thoughts to you:

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

[Sacred Fool]

It seems that there are two simultaneous avenues of working, the inner and the outer. What you say above covers well the outer. What about the inner?

Not sure why you say my quote covers outer work but not inner. I think of acceptance, forgiveness, and becoming more in tune with the Original Thought all as inner work. What are you thinking of when you speak of inner work?

Right. I wasn't clear about that...sloppy nomenclature, sorry. I was trying to distinguish between reflecting inwardly upon recent catalyst--which is obviously inward by definition--and something else. What I'm trying to get at is the distinction between space/time and time/space, to use the lingo. I was thinking of time/space as inward because there's not much reference there to the outer world.

Maybe that's where the business of adeptness comes in? Maybe that has to do with the capacity to "do work in consciousness" (whatever that means exactly) inwardly as well as in sphere of outwardly directed consciousness.

It's not clear to me if your goal is adept-type work or opening the heart. The Q'uo quote is all about letting go of cleverness and opening the heart, but I'm not sure that's the heart of your interest, so to speak.

Same thing here. What I meant by doing work inwardly in this case is entering the inner tabernacle, if you will, in Time/Space. That may be the beginning of adeptness.

[βαθμιαίος]

Right. I wasn't clear about that...sloppy nomenclature, sorry. I was trying to distinguish between reflecting inwardly upon recent catalyst--which is obviously inward by definition--and something else. What I'm trying to get at is the distinction between space/time and time/space, to use the lingo. I was thinking of time/space as inward because there's not much reference there to the outer world.

No need to apologize -- I think we're kind of making the nomenclature up as we go.

Same thing here. What I meant by doing work inwardly in this case is entering the inner tabernacle, if you will, in Time/Space. That may be the beginning of adeptness.

I had a discussion like this recently with Bring4th_GLB; maybe he'll weigh in here because I think his way of looking at things may be a lot like yours. But my opinion, for what it's worth, is that adeptness begins long before we enter the inner tabernacle. Ra says that indigo ray is the ray of the adept, but they also say that in indigo ray the veil is not yet lifted. They give visualization as an example of indigo-ray work, but I don't read them as saying that one needs to perceive things as they are (sans veil) in order to visualize. We do visualization-type work in order to bring love and light to the planet. As we progress on the path, we may lift the veil, move into violet-ray work, and become that which we seek. But we can start where we are.

[Sacred Fool]

I had a discussion like this recently with Bring4th_GLB; maybe he'll weigh in here because I think his way of looking at things may be a lot like yours. But my opinion, for what it's worth, is that adeptness begins long before we enter the inner tabernacle. Ra says that indigo ray is the ray of the adept, but they also say that in indigo ray the veil is not yet lifted. They give visualization as an example of indigo-ray work, but I don't read them as saying that one needs to perceive things as they are (sans veil) in order to visualize. We do visualization-type work in order to bring love and light to the planet. As we progress on the path, we may lift the veil, move into violet-ray work, and become that which we seek. But we can start where we are.

Surely, we begin where we is. We all have a heart chakra, for example, and we can all experience affection. But there's major difference between an open heart and a closed heart, no? Even a closed heart can visualize love, but to pulsate with loving radiance might injure it. Just as a rosebud cannot function like a flower. As the chakras become more refined and defined and as the flow of energy through them becomes more regularized, an entity is able to do more "work in consciousness," right? So then it would follow that indigo-ray work with a nascent rosebud would not be of the same quality as same using a developed instrument, so to speak.

But, anyway, where does Time/Space fit into your working paradigm? Is contacting Intelligent Infinity a pressing goal?

[βαθμιαίος]

I don't see time/space as congruent with Intelligent Infinity. I understand time/space to be just as much a part of manifestation as space/time; only inverse.

I would say contacting Intelligent Infinity is a goal for me but not a pressing one. Or rather I should say that the mystical experience of knowingly contacting Intelligent Infinity is a goal but not pressing. I had one such experience some years ago and the memory of it warms me still; I'll be glad to go back there but feel no urgency.

But I do try to remember frequently that in each moment I am contacting Intelligent Infinity in the sense that I am part of an Infinite Creator "in whom I live and move and have my being."

Even a closed heart can visualize love

Not sure I agree with that, though I do agree with the rest of the paragraph.

[Sacred Fool]

Even a closed heart can visualize love

Not sure I agree with that, though I do agree with the rest of the paragraph.

Hitler loved puppies, I'm told. Pablo Escobar loved his kids. That's how they caught him: he kept making traceable cell phone calls to them all the while killing the other people closest to him because he suspected that someone was betraying him. [Chilling, eh?]

Myself, I used to have a much harder attitude towards people and the world in general. I still had some image of love at the time.

[Sacred Fool]

But I do try to remember frequently that in each moment I am contacting Intelligent Infinity in the sense that I am part of an Infinite Creator "in whom I live and move and have my being."

Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?

Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the one Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.

Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth.

I had a discussion like this recently with Bring4th_GLB; maybe he'll weigh in here because I think his way of looking at things may be a lot like yours.

He must be a very smart fellow!

[βαθμιαίος]

Hitler loved puppies, I'm told. Pablo Escobar loved his kids. That's how they caught him: he kept making traceable cell phone calls to them all the while killing the other people closest to him because he suspected that someone was betraying him. [Chilling, eh?]

Myself, I used to have a much harder attitude towards people and the world in general. I still had some image of love at the time.

Three points: 1) I doubt Hitler's, Escobar's, or your previous heart were completely closed.

2) We were talking about attempting to visualize and radiate love. I suggest that the mere attempt will of necessity open the closed-est heart to some extent, making it incorrect to say that a closed heart can radiate love.

3) I suggest you open your heart to your previous self, hard-hearted though you may have been.

[Sacred Fool]

2) I disagree, to some extent, that our radiation of Love and Light needs to be undistorted. The whole point of incarnation, as I understand it, is to radiate in our own special way. As we continue on the path, our efforts will be more and more in tune with the Original Thought (and hence less and less distorted), but they will always retain our energetic imprint. Otherwise, what's the point?

At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

Hmm, what's the point?

Well, what's the point of amusing ourselves with distortions? Why wait 'til 7D to dump them?

Okay, maybe it's a silly argument...but maybe not?

[βαθμιαίος]

At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

Hmm, well you're kind of jumping around, here. This quote is about rejoining the Creator, and I thought you weren't talking about Homesickness. My quote was about third-density individuals reaching, among others, violet ray. In that context I do think that our activities will retain our energetic imprint.

I can't think of a supporting quote at the moment, and I could be wrong, but I have the idea that the Creator is, if not changed, at least informed by our efforts and our beings, so that when we rejoin the Creator it is/will be a slightly different Creator because of us.

[Sacred Fool]

Wait a minute, am I jumping around or is all One?

Seriously, I think the difference between 3D & 7D may be less extreme than meets the eye, as it were. [BTW, if Ra is beyond time, why are they scheduled for millions more years of 6D?? But, I digress...]

Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is the Creatrix and Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is reachable through one's green ray gizmo thingy. Ergo, unification with the one Creatrix is possible in 3D. So, loss of identity (via salubrious means) and all that are an open option...evidently.

Of course, there's the matter of only being able to tolerate Light of a certain intensity. So, maybe 7D light would be a bit much at the outset?

[βαθμιαίος]

Wait a minute, am I jumping around or is all One?

Both

Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is the Creatrix and Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is reachable through one's green ray gizmo thingy.

Just a quibble, but are you sure they said green?

Ergo, unification with the one Creatrix is possible in 3D. So, loss of identity (via salubrious means) and all that are an open option...evidently.

The question is, though, whether the third density entity loses its identity by contacting Intelligent Infinity. Right? In that case, there are more apropos quotes than the one you chose.

BTW, is this all about what you mention here?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...79#pid6279

[Sacred Fool]

Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is the Creatrix and Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is reachable through one's green ray gizmo thingy.

Just a quibble, but are you sure they said green?

This is from Session 15. The center of heart, or green-ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, to infinite intelligence. Blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

Ergo, unification with the one Creatrix [added modification: to certain degree] is possible in 3D. So, loss of identity (via salubrious means) and all that are an open option...evidently.

The question is, though, whether the third density entity loses its identity by contacting Intelligent Infinity. Right? In that case, there are more apropos quotes than the one you chose.

If you have more and better quotes, I'd be happy to see them. Thanks.

By the way, is this all about what you mention here?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...79#pid6279

Not sure I perceive the proper distortion of your typing vibrational complex here. If you're asking, was I referring there to this thread here, the answer is affirmative. The above conversation has felt a little bit like a tumble down the hill together, but it's served me well in that my concerns congealed in time/space about the shifting of my identity (from whatever this is now to something notably cleaner...maybe...) have been given some room to disentangle and clarify to some degree. I feel more of the internal breadth or clearance I need to step back and leap..................

You likely have noticed that I hit the ground running when I began posting on this site. This need to create inner clearance is a large portion of the reason for that.

Hey, that reminds me of your matrix of the mind trick of creating new space. I'm still using the old technology.

[βαθμιαίος]

What I'm wondering is if this thread is motivated by the concerns you expressed there. Are you interested in contacting intelligent infinity or afraid of doing so? Both, perhaps.

[Sacred Fool]

What I'm wondering is if this thread is motivated by the concerns you expressed there. Are you interested in contacting intelligent infinity or afraid of doing so? Both, perhaps.

You nailed it..."both, perhaps."

I am in touch to the degree that I can run multitudinous subtle energies at will and my spiritual queries are answered very quickly. Also my sense of my general situation in this particular lifetime is pretty good, as noted by Q'uo.

The problem is that for some while I've been stagnating, not moving forward with it, and I'm a trifle concerned about Law of Responsibility consequences. I can smell the consequences of my imbalances beginning to ferment.

And, indeed, you would be quite correct if you were putting the pieces together and surmising that I'm using this forum (respectfully, I hope) to tease out some of the threads of my own blockages, so to speak. [This excludes the LSD thread which was born out of in-the-moment surprise.]

Promise you won't tell this to anyone!! I...um...I have a small flair for the dramatic. But that's what this 3D is all about, right? Is it any more than a big stage upon which all the men & women are merely players, strutting and fretting, acting out the drama of their imbalances?

Forgive me for wandering around here, amusing myself with distortion...but...yes, it can be perceived as much more as the Doors of Perception begin to give way to Intelligent Infinity.

Huh, maybe I need a good penetrating oil to loosen up my hinges?