(10-22-2009, 05:37 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I've always read that quote in a more fundamental way (not saying it's a better way, just different) -- we are amusing ourselves by being incarnate. We could have chosen to remain part of the Creator and never individualized; instead we chose to enter the world of distortion -- free will, love, light, and all the rest.

(10-22-2009, 06:12 PM)Turtle Wrote: Yeah..that quote from Ra is amazing to say the least...especially now that I've come to understand that is exactly how I believe in my reality. What a concept! Godspeed!

(10-23-2009, 01:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: Just curious, Turtle: How do you understand your reality now?

(10-23-2009, 01:35 AM)peregrine Wrote: You know, Bath., I''l bet I also read it that way some years ago. I've had to think about why it stirs me this other way at this stage. I'm not wholly sure, but I think I feel now much closer to being able to melt into a less distorted configuration than I'm in now (more like in the good old days, as it were). It just feels more personal now that it's more clear to me that I'm actually actively perpetuating this degree of separation by playing games (amusing myself) when I could be significantly more integrated with my own divinity, my deeper identity. Reading it now makes me feel nostalgic and silly.

Oh, well. Good catalyst, eh?

Wordsworth Wrote:Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
Hath had elsewhere its setting,
And cometh from afar:
Not in entire forgetfulness,
And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come
From God, who is our home:

(10-23-2009, 10:20 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Sounds like a case of Homesickness, with a capital H.

(10-23-2009, 10:55 PM)peregrine Wrote: I know what you're aiming at with "Homesickness" and it's definitely a longing feeling. But it's not exactly a place I'd rather be, it's...well it's hard to articulate.

Q'uo Wrote:And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

Peregrine Wrote:Hope you don't mind me calling you "Bath.,"

Peregrine Wrote:Oh, By the way, regarding the above quote, so far I haven't even *entered* the sanctum sanctorum, much less marched out. But I'll be sure to post it as soon as I do. (ha ha ha)

(10-24-2009, 01:10 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

Q'uo Wrote:And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

Far be it from me to criticize the great and powerful Q'uo, but I think there are subtle pejoratives in that quote that, perhaps, undervalue confusion and distortion: "from that perspective alone", "full knowledge ... for the first time", "ready at last to do serious work".

peregrine Wrote:Does it not add up that in complete "nakedness" (i.e., energy flow undistorted by personally appended attributes of mis-construed identification) that one would then be starting anew in an entirely new format? In other words, that would be the pivot point into a format of having far more capacity for balancing the same old imbalances we enjoy every day?

Session 91 Wrote:Questioner: How is the knowledge of the facets of the archetypical mind used by the individual to accelerate his evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall offer an example based upon this first explored archetype or concept complex. The conscious mind of the adept may be full to bursting of the most abstruse and unimaginable of ideas, so that further ideation becomes impossible and work in blue ray or indigo is blocked through over-activation. It is then that the adept would call upon the new mind, untouched and virgin, and dwell within the archetype of the new and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity, full of the magic of the Logos.

(10-24-2009, 04:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I would argue, instead, that you are absolutely ready to do serious work upon balancing your wisdom and indeed are already doing so (witness your balancing energy centers thread); that no matter what perspective one leaves the sanctum sanctorum with one will be fed and strengthened; and that you have almost certainly had many experiences of full knowledge of who you are.

(10-24-2009, 04:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I think it's a state that can be summoned up at will, with practice and effort. In other words, there are big and little enlightenment experiences. While the big ones just seem to happen, and are transformative, the little ones can be invoked and can also be transformative, though of course less earth-shakingly so

Session 91 Wrote:Questioner: How is the knowledge of the facets of the archetypical mind used by the individual to accelerate his evolution?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall offer an example based upon this first explored archetype or concept complex. The conscious mind of the adept may be full to bursting of the most abstruse and unimaginable of ideas, so that further ideation becomes impossible and work in blue ray or indigo is blocked through over-activation. It is then that the adept would call upon the new mind, untouched and virgin, and dwell within the archetype of the new and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity, full of the magic of the Logos.

(10-24-2009, 06:26 PM)peregrine Wrote: Going back one step further, I brought it up to try to clarify my longing...not exactly Homesickness, but a piercing desire to regain my full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by my personal mis-constructions of identity {utterly charming as they may be ;-)}.

Peregrine Wrote:What is a matrix of the mind anyhow?

Quote:I have to say, ten years ago I studied the Ra Material vigorously. But when it came to the tarot stuff I...uh...maybe wasn't such a good student.

Quote:By the way, circling back towards one of your earlier comments, at some point clarification of what distinguishes an adept might be interesting, as well as how to get there and why to bother.

(10-24-2009, 09:42 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

Quote:By the way, circling back towards one of your earlier comments, at some point clarification of what distinguishes an adept might be interesting, as well as how to get there and why to bother.

How about this as a possible definition: "one who has regained the full capacity to radiate Love and Light undistorted by personal mis-constructions of identity"

(10-24-2009, 09:42 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: My argument is two-fold: 1) the way to (re)gain the capacity to radiate Love and Light is to radiate Love and Light, observe the consequences, accept and forgive self and other(s) for any shortcomings, and then do it all over again, doubling and redoubling our dedication, and this isn't something we have to wait to begin.

2) I disagree, to some extent, that our radiation of Love and Light needs to be undistorted. The whole point of incarnation, as I understand it, is to radiate in our own special way. As we continue on the path, our efforts will be more and more in tune with the Original Thought (and hence less and less distorted), but they will always retain our energetic imprint. Otherwise, what's the point?

Quote:J: Can you make suggestions which [could] make easier the polarization of these ones in particular?

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We have perhaps made a modest beginning at suggesting the general strategy for working towards the full integration of wisdom and love. We have talked before about the heart chakra. It is a much misunderstood energy center encompassing two distinct aspects.

It is impossible to make a direct assault upon the closed heart. The heart itself is protected within what this instrument would describe as an outer courtyard. The overarching dome of light that signals the presence of consciousness is gently enswathed in the basilica of the inner heart.

Outside of that sanctum sanctorum is that place where entities come, in all their dirt, to see if they are ready to enter their own heart. The difficulty that entities find when attempting to enter their heart is that they must needs integrate all of their personality shell into that entity which stands at the door and seeks entrance. All entities carry the full 360 degrees of personality. The entire spectrum of light and dark lives and thrives within each spirit sent forth by the one infinite Creator before the world was.

For those who carry that arrogance of wisdom, there is subtle work to be done in emptying the pockets of self. It is lonely and unforgiving work to break yourself open to the point where you can see and acknowledge all of the factors that go into what on the surface is a simple and seamless attitude of confidence and self-knowledge. Nevertheless, this is the task ahead of one who wishes to open his heart.

It is a difficult thing to grasp because there is no cleverness involved in opening the heart. There is only the acknowledgment of the falsehood of any claim that one may wish to make to true wisdom. For wisdom uninformed by love is not stable or balanced, in terms of that lesson which entities such as yourself incarnated in order to balance.

The wiser an entity is, the more narrow his ability to see beyond his own intelligence. The ability to use higher chakras further confuses the issue, because from the viewpoint of manifestation, there seems to be such a likelihood that such powerful knowledge will be useful to the self, to the Creator, and to the planet.

In orienting you and those like you to the actual situation, we would ask each to move back in perspective until there is a broadness that takes in all of the third-density pattern. A pattern involves a choice of how to be and how to serve. In third density, the path to graduation involves a simple choice followed by a series of congruent choices which progressively tune the spirit under such discipline to the point where that spirit is able to surrender to love.

The difficulty is in releasing all of the intelligence and knowledge that is so proudly carried and so skillfully used in the outer manifestations of life on planet Earth.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

(10-25-2009, 04:27 AM)peregrine Wrote: It seems that there are two simultaneous avenues of working, the inner and the outer. What you say above covers well the outer. What about the inner?

Quote:Maybe that's where the business of adeptness comes in? Maybe that has to do with the capacity to "do work in consciousness" (whatever that means exactly) inwardly as well as in sphere of outwardly directed consciousness.

Luke 18:9-14 Wrote:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

(10-26-2009, 01:39 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(10-25-2009, 04:27 AM)peregrine Wrote: It seems that there are two simultaneous avenues of working, the inner and the outer. What you say above covers well the outer. What about the inner?

Not sure why you say my quote covers outer work but not inner. I think of acceptance, forgiveness, and becoming more in tune with the Original Thought all as inner work. What are you thinking of when you speak of inner work?

~P~ Wrote:Maybe that's where the business of adeptness comes in? Maybe that has to do with the capacity to "do work in consciousness" (whatever that means exactly) inwardly as well as in sphere of outwardly directed consciousness.

Bath Wrote:It's not clear to me if your goal is adept-type work or opening the heart. The Q'uo quote is all about letting go of cleverness and opening the heart, but I'm not sure that's the heart of your interest, so to speak.

(10-26-2009, 08:39 PM)peregrine Wrote: Right. I wasn't clear about that...sloppy nomenclature, sorry. I was trying to distinguish between reflecting inwardly upon recent catalyst--which is obviously inward by definition--and something else. What I'm trying to get at is the distinction between space/time and time/space, to use the lingo. I was thinking of time/space as inward because there's not much reference there to the outer world.

peregrine Wrote:Same thing here. What I meant by doing work inwardly in this case is entering the inner tabernacle, if you will, in Time/Space. That may be the beginning of adeptness.

(10-26-2009, 10:51 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I had a discussion like this recently with Bring4th_GLB; maybe he'll weigh in here because I think his way of looking at things may be a lot like yours. But my opinion, for what it's worth, is that adeptness begins long before we enter the inner tabernacle. Ra says that indigo ray is the ray of the adept, but they also say that in indigo ray the veil is not yet lifted. They give visualization as an example of indigo-ray work, but I don't read them as saying that one needs to perceive things as they are (sans veil) in order to visualize. We do visualization-type work in order to bring love and light to the planet. As we progress on the path, we may lift the veil, move into violet-ray work, and become that which we seek. But we can start where we are.

peregrine Wrote:Even a closed heart can visualize love

(10-26-2009, 11:38 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

peregrine Wrote:Even a closed heart can visualize love

Not sure I agree with that, though I do agree with the rest of the paragraph.

(10-26-2009, 11:38 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: But I do try to remember frequently that in each moment I am contacting Intelligent Infinity in the sense that I am part of an Infinite Creator "in whom I live and move and have my being."

Session 15 Wrote:Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?

Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the one Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.

Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth.

(10-26-2009, 10:51 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I had a discussion like this recently with Bring4th_GLB; maybe he'll weigh in here because I think his way of looking at things may be a lot like yours.

(10-26-2009, 11:52 PM)peregrine Wrote: Hitler loved puppies, I'm told. Pablo Escobar loved his kids. That's how they caught him: he kept making traceable cell phone calls to them all the while killing the other people closest to him because he suspected that someone was betraying him. [Chilling, eh?]

Myself, I used to have a much harder attitude towards people and the world in general. I still had some image of love at the time.

Bathman Wrote:2) I disagree, to some extent, that our radiation of Love and Light needs to be undistorted. The whole point of incarnation, as I understand it, is to radiate in our own special way. As we continue on the path, our efforts will be more and more in tune with the Original Thought (and hence less and less distorted), but they will always retain our energetic imprint. Otherwise, what's the point?

Session 16 Wrote:At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

(10-28-2009, 03:50 AM)peregrine Wrote:

Session 16 Wrote:At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

(10-28-2009, 01:46 PM)peregrine Wrote: Wait a minute, am I jumping around or is all One?

peregrine Wrote:Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is the Creatrix and Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is reachable through one's green ray gizmo thingy.

peregrine Wrote:Ergo, unification with the one Creatrix is possible in 3D. So, loss of identity (via salubrious means) and all that are an open option...evidently.

(10-28-2009, 02:35 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

peregrine Wrote:Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is the Creatrix and Ra says that Intelligent Infinity is reachable through one's green ray gizmo thingy.

Just a quibble, but are you sure they said green?

Bathman Wrote:

peregrine Wrote:Ergo, unification with the one Creatrix [added modification: to certain degree] is possible in 3D. So, loss of identity (via salubrious means) and all that are an open option...evidently.

The question is, though, whether the third density entity loses its identity by contacting Intelligent Infinity. Right? In that case, there are more apropos quotes than the one you chose.

Bathman Wrote:By the way, is this all about what you mention here?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=549&pid=6279#pid6279

(10-31-2009, 08:45 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: What I'm wondering is if this thread is motivated by the concerns you expressed there. Are you interested in contacting intelligent infinity or afraid of doing so? Both, perhaps.