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    Thread: Robert Monroe "Far Journeys"


    anagogy Away

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    08-01-2012, 02:19 AM
    Has anyone read this book?

    How does this relate to the Law of One, you ask?

    Here is an excerpt from the book. To give you some context, Monroe had a sort of "Gate-Way" program going on at the Monroe Institute (thought it wasn't called the Monroe Institute back then) where they taught people to enter deeper levels of consciousness and occasionally have out of body projections. Sometimes, beings would channel through the participants. The excerpt I'm showing you is one of those channelings. As you read it, ask yourself, where have I heard this before?

    I apologize for the weird formatting.

    Quote:Other Voice: "I apologize for being so late, but I need to thank you and to
    tell you that I am glad you received my message. If you would like to
    explore these levels, I would be very happy to do so with you."

    Monitor: "I would appreciate it very much."

    Other Voice: "As I have said to you earlier, plants exist on levels one
    through seven. They are on a vibrational rate on the levels one through
    seven. It is the same pattern. Animals exist on the levels eight through
    fourteen, and when a person attains, when a consciousness attains level
    fourteen, it can no longer go any higher unless it is willing to change its
    form of consciousness. Levels fifteen through twenty-one are what you
    call human life on this earth. When a person progresses to level twentyone,
    he then has the choice of going higher or staying within the realm of
    human form, but he cannot go higher unless he is willing to give up
    human form."
    Monitor: "Give up being human?"

    Other Voice: "Levels twenty-two through twenty-eight are your bridge.
    They are your levels that you enter upon death. You are on level twenty
    and because that is an ascending level, you can enter into the realm
    beyond physical life, but you cannot stay there unless you are willing to
    give up your human form. Is that clear?"

    Monitor: "That much is clear, yes."

    Other Voice: "And then once a person or a consciousness—we are talking
    about consciousness—reaches level twenty-eight, the bridge is crossed,
    and from that point on for a consciousness to evolve higher, it would not
    again assume human form of any kind, not even as a learning experience.
    I will never incarnate again as a human—as another form of life, yes, but
    not as a human. The words are very hard because your plane of existence
    is not the same. Perhaps I can explain it by asking you to image seven of
    the circles, which would give you the forty-nine levels. The first three
    levels are physical matter as you know physical matter. They are your
    plants, your animals, your humans. The fourth circle is your bridge, your
    realm, your center for that overall plane. It is the time in which a consciousness
    can choose whether to go back into the lower levels or to
    transcend into the higher levels, and many consciousnesses do choose to
    go back into the lower levels in physical form. The upper three circles are
    the realm that in your consciousness is called the spiritual realm, and
    here much of the work is done. I could not help someone who was not on
    the eighteenth level very much because my plane, my vibrational rate

    would be different. This is why it is hard for me to help you with specific
    problems. I can give you ideas, but I cannot give you the direct guidance I
    could if you were on level eighteen. Our planes do touch since yours is an
    ascending spiral—an ascending, what is your word for that? It is an
    ellipse. It is an ascending ellipse, and therefore I can cross and communicate
    with you, but not as directly. Once I reach level forty-nine, which I
    will, I then leave all of this realm of existence. It does not mean I have
    reached the highest point by any means. It simply means I have left this
    group of seven, this overall group of seven. Imagine, if you will, the seven
    circles enclosed in an even larger circle upon which seven more circles are
    stacked, which is in turn enclosed in even a great circle. Then you can
    have some idea of what infinity is. It does not ever stop."

    Monitor: "Well, I must confess that 'it' is kind of hard on my tiny, poor
    physical matter consciousness."

    Other Voice: "That is true. I must—it is very hard on my consciousness
    also. I feel at times, because I am very near to completing this circle, that
    I have accomplished a major evolvement for my consciousness, but then
    when I try to explain it, I realize just how far I have yet to go and how
    little I have actually gone through. Because my level of consciousness is
    one of love, I leave you with love. Good day."

    Sound familiar? Seems this being is describing the densities of our octave, with some of the vibrational sub levels of seven inbetween.

    Isn't that interesting? Smile

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    #2
    08-01-2012, 09:15 AM
    I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

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    08-01-2012, 10:35 AM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2012, 10:41 AM by Eddie.)
    (08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

    Maybe, but most of this stuff happened to Robert Monroe between the early 1950s and the mid 1970s, years before the Ra material was published. Far Journeys is copyrighted 1985.


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    08-01-2012, 10:46 AM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2012, 10:46 AM by zenmaster.)
    It was copyrighted in 85 not 82 as you claimed.
    Monroe's last 3 books are only loosely biographical.

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    08-01-2012, 01:39 PM
    (08-01-2012, 10:35 AM)Eddie Wrote:
    (08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

    Maybe, but most of this stuff happened to Robert Monroe between the early 1950s and the mid 1970s, years before the Ra material was published. Far Journeys is copyrighted 1985.

    That's correct. Though the book was published in 1985, this stuff was supposed to have happened much much earlier.

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    08-01-2012, 03:07 PM
    No it wasn't supposed to have happened much earlier. It was derived from notes taken after the institute moved, after '79...

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    08-01-2012, 11:05 PM
    (08-01-2012, 03:07 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No it wasn't supposed to have happened much earlier. It was derived from notes taken after the institute moved, after '79...

    On page 45 Monroe states it took place in the mid seventies. I suppose you can always make the claim Monroe is a dirty liar. Tongue

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    08-01-2012, 11:50 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2012, 12:38 AM by zenmaster.)
    (08-01-2012, 11:05 PM)anagogy Wrote:
    (08-01-2012, 03:07 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No it wasn't supposed to have happened much earlier. It was derived from notes taken after the institute moved, after '79...

    On page 45 Monroe states it took place in the mid seventies. I suppose you can always make the claim Monroe is a dirty liar. Tongue
    You must have a different copy.


    You must be referring to page 39, when he relates notes from one of the preliminary sessions, starting at '74, where they began to meet 'advanced intelligent beings' and what that was like. Take another look at the timeline, if you care to do so.

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    08-02-2012, 01:45 AM
    (08-01-2012, 11:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be referring to page 39, when he relates notes from one of the preliminary sessions, starting at '74, where they began to meet 'advanced intelligent beings' and what that was like. Take another look at the timeline, if you care to do so.

    Well, the particular copy I was using was a pdf file, so the page numbering may be different due to format. Incidentally, I also have a physical copy, and the first mention of the gateway project is on page 26, where he nonspecifically refers to "mid-seventies". You are correct, that on page 39, they do specifically mention 1974 in reference to the explorer team.

    But why look at the timeline again? '74 falls well within the definition of "mid seventies".

    Let's pretend you're right, and that was just the beginning of their "non-physical contacts". Even still, it could have been all the way up to '84, since that was when volume one of the Ra material was published (I mean if the whole reason we are talking about this is because of the possibility that Robert Monroe (a) read this and (b) decided to fabricate a story about people channeling beings that just happens to corroborate the densities concept offered by Ra.)

    I suppose if one were really motivated they could contact the Monroe Institute and find out for sure when that particular session took place. Might be worth it. Perhaps some day I will develop the motivation to do so. Would be an interesting fact to know.

    At present, I'm not terribly concerned about it. As I've stated before, I don't personally think the man was a liar.

    Each to their own, I suppose.

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    08-02-2012, 01:54 AM
    (08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

    This matters why ?
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    08-02-2012, 01:55 AM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2012, 01:56 AM by anagogy.)
    (08-02-2012, 01:54 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: This matters why ?

    He thinks Monroe fabricated it.

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    08-02-2012, 07:01 AM
    It doesn't necessarily have to imply fabrication. Once anything is experienced by the consciousness, it is freely available within the unconscious, which is where the mind draws upon for channeling and things of this nature. If the participants in these sessions had been exposed to the Ra material then the information they offer, whether in a conscious state or not, can't really be used to corroborate the material.
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    08-02-2012, 09:17 AM
    Austin is correct, of course. One does not need to be 'well-read' on the general subject without it becoming blatently obvious that channelers (and hyper-intuitives) repeatedly do the same thing with each others work (either consciously or unconsciously), although some are inevitably more 'conceptually seminal' than others. Take a look at the body of material (merely from L/L Research) that was pre-contemporary and contemporary with the 'Gateway Program'.
    Theosophy
    http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/tra..._0205.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0201.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1004.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/tra..._0205.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0617.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is...ook_1.aspx
    You will find that the info does evolve/devolve, often in the same way that 'chinese whispers' evolve - whatever is found to be suitable for digestion of the audience - for better or worse.

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    08-02-2012, 10:03 AM
    (08-02-2012, 09:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Austin is correct, of course. One does not need to be 'well-read' on the general subject without it becoming blatently obvious that channelers (and hyper-intuitives) repeatedly do the same thing with each others work (either consciously or unconsciously), although some are inevitably more 'conceptually seminal' than others. Take a look at the body of material (merely from L/L Research) that was pre-contemporary and contemporary with the 'Gateway Program'.
    Theosophy
    http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/tra..._0205.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0201.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1004.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/tra..._0205.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0617.aspx
    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is...ook_1.aspx
    You will find that the info does evolve/devolve, often in the same way that 'chinese whispers' evolve - whatever is found to be suitable for digestion of the audience - for better or worse.

    I get that I just fail to see why it matters. I mean isn't that the nature of existence, constant building on-top and below-of from different angles and views.

    Is that not the oneness we seek?

    Sorry perhaps I'am just assuming what your meaning is by your statement.

    Do you think that matters Zen ?


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    08-02-2012, 08:29 PM
    (08-02-2012, 10:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Sorry perhaps I'am just assuming what your meaning is by your statement.
    Ok, what it is you are assuming that I mean?


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    08-03-2012, 07:16 AM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2012, 07:42 AM by Sagittarius.)
    (08-02-2012, 08:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (08-02-2012, 10:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Sorry perhaps I'am just assuming what your meaning is by your statement.
    Ok, what it is you are assuming that I mean?

    On second thought the confusion is my own, no explanation required.


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