Quote:Other Voice: "I apologize for being so late, but I need to thank you and to
tell you that I am glad you received my message. If you would like to
explore these levels, I would be very happy to do so with you."

Monitor: "I would appreciate it very much."

Other Voice: "As I have said to you earlier, plants exist on levels one
through seven. They are on a vibrational rate on the levels one through
seven. It is the same pattern. Animals exist on the levels eight through
fourteen, and when a person attains, when a consciousness attains level
fourteen, it can no longer go any higher unless it is willing to change its
form of consciousness. Levels fifteen through twenty-one are what you
call human life on this earth. When a person progresses to level twentyone,
he then has the choice of going higher or staying within the realm of
human form, but he cannot go higher unless he is willing to give up
human form."
Monitor: "Give up being human?"

Other Voice: "Levels twenty-two through twenty-eight are your bridge.
They are your levels that you enter upon death. You are on level twenty
and because that is an ascending level, you can enter into the realm
beyond physical life, but you cannot stay there unless you are willing to
give up your human form. Is that clear?"

Monitor: "That much is clear, yes."

Other Voice: "And then once a person or a consciousness—we are talking
about consciousness—reaches level twenty-eight, the bridge is crossed,
and from that point on for a consciousness to evolve higher, it would not
again assume human form of any kind, not even as a learning experience.
I will never incarnate again as a human—as another form of life, yes, but
not as a human. The words are very hard because your plane of existence
is not the same. Perhaps I can explain it by asking you to image seven of
the circles, which would give you the forty-nine levels. The first three
levels are physical matter as you know physical matter. They are your
plants, your animals, your humans. The fourth circle is your bridge, your
realm, your center for that overall plane. It is the time in which a consciousness
can choose whether to go back into the lower levels or to
transcend into the higher levels, and many consciousnesses do choose to
go back into the lower levels in physical form. The upper three circles are
the realm that in your consciousness is called the spiritual realm, and
here much of the work is done. I could not help someone who was not on
the eighteenth level very much because my plane, my vibrational rate

would be different. This is why it is hard for me to help you with specific
problems. I can give you ideas, but I cannot give you the direct guidance I
could if you were on level eighteen. Our planes do touch since yours is an
ascending spiral—an ascending, what is your word for that? It is an
ellipse. It is an ascending ellipse, and therefore I can cross and communicate
with you, but not as directly. Once I reach level forty-nine, which I
will, I then leave all of this realm of existence. It does not mean I have
reached the highest point by any means. It simply means I have left this
group of seven, this overall group of seven. Imagine, if you will, the seven
circles enclosed in an even larger circle upon which seven more circles are
stacked, which is in turn enclosed in even a great circle. Then you can
have some idea of what infinity is. It does not ever stop."

Monitor: "Well, I must confess that 'it' is kind of hard on my tiny, poor
physical matter consciousness."

Other Voice: "That is true. I must—it is very hard on my consciousness
also. I feel at times, because I am very near to completing this circle, that
I have accomplished a major evolvement for my consciousness, but then
when I try to explain it, I realize just how far I have yet to go and how
little I have actually gone through. Because my level of consciousness is
one of love, I leave you with love. Good day."

(08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

(08-01-2012, 10:35 AM)Eddie Wrote:

(08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

Maybe, but most of this stuff happened to Robert Monroe between the early 1950s and the mid 1970s, years before the Ra material was published. Far Journeys is copyrighted 1985.

(08-01-2012, 03:07 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No it wasn't supposed to have happened much earlier. It was derived from notes taken after the institute moved, after '79...

(08-01-2012, 11:05 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(08-01-2012, 03:07 PM)zenmaster Wrote: No it wasn't supposed to have happened much earlier. It was derived from notes taken after the institute moved, after '79...

On page 45 Monroe states it took place in the mid seventies. I suppose you can always make the claim Monroe is a dirty liar.

(08-01-2012, 11:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be referring to page 39, when he relates notes from one of the preliminary sessions, starting at '74, where they began to meet 'advanced intelligent beings' and what that was like. Take another look at the timeline, if you care to do so.

(08-01-2012, 09:15 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material.

(08-02-2012, 01:54 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: This matters why ?

(08-02-2012, 09:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Austin is correct, of course. One does not need to be 'well-read' on the general subject without it becoming blatently obvious that channelers (and hyper-intuitives) repeatedly do the same thing with each others work (either consciously or unconsciously), although some are inevitably more 'conceptually seminal' than others. Take a look at the body of material (merely from L/L Research) that was pre-contemporary and contemporary with the 'Gateway Program'.
Theosophy
http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/transcripts/1971_0205.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_0201.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_1004.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/origins/ct/transcripts/1977_0205.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1979/1979_0617.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1981/1981_0131_book_1.aspx
You will find that the info does evolve/devolve, often in the same way that 'chinese whispers' evolve - whatever is found to be suitable for digestion of the audience - for better or worse.

(08-02-2012, 10:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Sorry perhaps I'am just assuming what your meaning is by your statement.

(08-02-2012, 08:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-02-2012, 10:03 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Sorry perhaps I'am just assuming what your meaning is by your statement.

Ok, what it is you are assuming that I mean?