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Are STS individuals narcissists? - Sena - 08-04-2021 For the purpose of this discussion I distinguish individuals with narcissistic traits from those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). NPD is a psychiatric diagnosis, and is generally applied to people who have run into serious problems in their life. I found an article which describes narcissistic individuals who are quite successful, perhaps because they practise 5% STO: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/31/study-narcissists-tend-to-be-happier-tougher-and-less-stressed.html Quote:Narcissistic personality traits — such as grandiosity, superiority and entitlement — have been on the rise in recent years, especially among high-profile leaders and successful CEOs. Although narcissists can be challenging to work with, they can easily attract a following of people, are more likely to receive promotions and often get paid more. The original research article is quite long, and I have only glanced through it: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/id/eprint/32992/1/Mental%20Toughness%20and%20the%20Dark%20Triad%20of%20Personality%20Traits_R2.pdf Here is a quote from the introduction: Quote:Mental Toughness (MT) is an umbrella term that entails positive psychological resources, That article refers to the "Dark Triad of personality", and more details on that are to be found here: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00467/full?&utm_source=Email_to_authors_&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=T1_11.5e1_author&utm_campaign=Email_publication&field=&journalName=Frontiers_in_Psychology&id=438704 This last article is quite an interesting one, and here is an extract: Quote:The Light Triad was positively correlated with Oneness Experiences and God Experiences, and these correlations remained significant even after controlling for the facets of Agreeableness and Honesty-Humility. The Dark Triad was also positively correlated with Oneness Experiences, and this correlation remained significant even after controlling for the facets of Agreeableness and Honesty-Humility. The Dark Triad was uncorrelated with God Experiences.This last statement implies that a highly STS individual could become a prominent religious personality like a Roman Catholic Cardinal or an Eastern "guru". RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - tadeus - 08-04-2021 Quote:Are STS individuals narcissists? This is a really good question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism Wrote:Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self-image and attributes. The term originated from Greek mythology, where a young man named Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. There is directly the question: What is the difference between narcissism and self-love ? I would say that a 'normal' narcissism is a healthy self-love. It differs from that is called a narcissistic personality disorder. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 Wrote:Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: This sounds much more like STS. RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - unity100 - 08-07-2021 Yes, the negatively polarized entity must be increasingly be what is called narcissist, or with better term, selfish, in order to polarize. NPD as a disorder is not a direct indicator or prerequisite of being negatively polarized. It may exist with or without negative polarization. Though it may be useful to a negatively polarizing entity. RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - Margan - 08-08-2021 You might also be interested in this thread: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18714&highlight=sociopathic I do believe there are similarities between narcissism and sociopathy, although there are also differences RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - Anders - 08-08-2021 I guess service-to-self is similar to narcissism. But there can be degrees of STS as I see it. If I have a very narrow sense of self, then that's more similar to narcissism than if I have a more inclusive sense of self that at least includes some other people and groups. Also, there can be narcissists with a very polished facade of acting service-to-others. One approach is to start from STS and then expand the inclusion of others as the self. Then there is less risk of developing a fake facade of altruism. And when everybody is included as the Self, then it becomes service-to-others! RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - jafar - 08-14-2021 Yes narcissistic behavior, ie: thinking that one limited self is superior / above the other selves is among the key characteristic of STS. As those behavior requires a strong mindset of separation. The limited self then can be extended socially, thing that one group of identity is superior / above the other group of identities. Let's dubbed this social narcissistic behavior. We are superior/above than them. Next inquiry to probe is why? why such behavior exist? Usually it was triggered by a sense of 'inferiority'. When one limited self feels that it is inferior in comparation to other which he/she/it sees as 'superior', a balancing act of 'feeling superior' will be required to 'null' it out. I/We might be inferior compared to X, but I/We are superior compared to Y. Because I/We put somebody else on the higher pedestal, I/We must put somebody else on the lower pedestal. Thus forming a 'hierarchy'. There are tons of example for this. Thus I might disagree that 'narcissism' / 'superior complex' is an act of 'self love' although at a glance it seems to be an act of 'loving the self'. Because 'self love' supposedly be defined as truly accepting the self regardless of it's condition, a.k.a unconditional love towards the self. Narcissism / superior complex is actually an act of 'self hate'. RE: Are STS individuals narcissists? - flofrog - 08-14-2021 That is excellent, IMHO, Jafar.... So agree about the self hate of narcissists.. so sad. |