(03-23-2021, 05:17 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: i think it's kinda funny when people describe themselves as "spiritual" or they "try and live a spiritual" life (not saying you do this ming, just made me think of this).... it's funny to me because, are we not, that? are we not already doing that? what is a "spiritual" life? what is "spirituality?" it feels like any idea we can potentially conceive of what "spirituality" is, will always fall short.........

so i find the question sort of hard to answer....

(03-23-2021, 06:51 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: so, you're saying that often times when we look at "spirituality" we tend to think of it intellectually, and what you're trying to do is show people that there's another way to look at it, that is, intuitively?

if so....... i dig it

(03-23-2021, 07:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It can be very simple if one so choses.

(03-23-2021, 08:16 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ming you might be interested in a thread that Sacred Fool made a while back: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18268&highlight=faith

what would this forum look like without all the "intellectual conversations" i wonder?

(03-23-2021, 08:16 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ...what would this forum look like without all the "intellectual conversations" i wonder?

(03-23-2021, 09:02 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 08:16 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ...what would this forum look like without all the "intellectual conversations" i wonder?

Quote:In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

(03-23-2021, 10:13 PM)flofrog Wrote: complementary in the world of Ra ?   ?


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Quote:In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

Quote:Most of the conversations here are Intellectual

(03-23-2021, 07:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It can be very simple if one so chooses.

(03-24-2021, 09:13 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 07:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It can be very simple if one so chooses.

Someone needs to help me on this one! I do not see how walking the straight and narrow path is "easy".
Sure, we can turn the Will toward our desires to become but, we are not alone on this planet; there are others that provide cruel catalyst.
I guess if one to only say continuously, "this is only but a dream" and repeat that every second on the hour until your backside hits the coffin, it would be nothing but a blissful dream.
You have some esplainin' ta do Lucy....seriously.

Quote:50.7 Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.

(03-23-2021, 10:01 PM)zedro Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 09:02 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 08:16 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: ...what would this forum look like without all the "intellectual conversations" i wonder?

Would this be the antithesis, or the complementary?

(03-23-2021, 10:01 PM)zedro Wrote: Would this be the antithesis, or the complementary?

(03-23-2021, 11:45 PM)unity100 Wrote: There is no conflict in between mind, body and the spirit. Each of them must be sufficiently developed, connected enough and must be used enough to make any spiritual advancement.

Quote:Most of the conversations here are Intellectual

A lot of the conversations here try to discover the mysteries of existence. Not uncover the secret zen of 'just being'. That kind of being is specific to every person and it is questionable that it can be taught.

There is the additional complication that this planet's social/individual distortions being too complicated, in relation to self and other selves - as Ra mentions. This necessitates looking at things with a sharp clear mind. For, you see, there are even people who believe in two contradictory things at the same time and propose them in two parts of the same sentence, seeing no problem with doing that. Without even getting into the immense mess of lies and disinformation that is propagated for profit or belief.

So, even to untangle the mess of the societal complex at its surface and look at things from a simpler perspective of entities' interactions based on fundamental motives, noticeable understanding is needed.

Of course, one can spend many lifetimes without paying attention and then suddenly one day during one incarnation everything may fall into place. But that's not an efficient way to do things. Only efficient for the entity which is very suitable for that kind of path.

And the society is passing through a very difficult time in which people are distressed, needing food, housing, healthcare - the very basic needs. Those wont get solved via zen and 'being'. For even reaching for middle chakras, lower chakras must be safe and functioning.

...

Moreover - some of us want to be looking through the window and taking in all the sights during our journey. Not looking towards the seat in the front and suddenly waking up at the destination.

(03-24-2021, 01:14 PM)Daze Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 11:45 PM)unity100 Wrote: There is no conflict in between mind, body and the spirit. Each of them must be sufficiently developed, connected enough and must be used enough to make any spiritual advancement.

Quote:Most of the conversations here are Intellectual

A lot of the conversations here try to discover the mysteries of existence. Not uncover the secret zen of 'just being'. That kind of being is specific to every person and it is questionable that it can be taught.

There is the additional complication that this planet's social/individual distortions being too complicated, in relation to self and other selves - as Ra mentions. This necessitates looking at things with a sharp clear mind. For, you see, there are even people who believe in two contradictory things at the same time and propose them in two parts of the same sentence, seeing no problem with doing that. Without even getting into the immense mess of lies and disinformation that is propagated for profit or belief.

So, even to untangle the mess of the societal complex at its surface and look at things from a simpler perspective of entities' interactions based on fundamental motives, noticeable understanding is needed.

Of course, one can spend many lifetimes without paying attention and then suddenly one day during one incarnation everything may fall into place. But that's not an efficient way to do things. Only efficient for the entity which is very suitable for that kind of path.

And the society is passing through a very difficult time in which people are distressed, needing food, housing, healthcare - the very basic needs. Those wont get solved via zen and 'being'. For even reaching for middle chakras, lower chakras must be safe and functioning.

...

Moreover - some of us want to be looking through the window and taking in all the sights during our journey. Not looking towards the seat in the front and suddenly waking up at the destination.

In my experience, 'being' is not in any way counter productive towards dealing with the very visceral experiences of pain and fear that others experience due to food, shelter, and health insecurity. Nor do I think it's not a valid avenue for consideration of these issues. 'Just being' does not mean one just melts into the chair and some blank space upon an empty wall and become a useless vegetable which is blind to the needs of others. I find that when I am able to trust myself enough to release my attachment to my own intellectualization, that 'just being' offers the opportunity to look upon the insecurities and the fears and the pains of the world with a creative openness and in concert with the intellect. In so doing, there is the ability to address these issues in flexible ways so that others may indeed be fed, feel safe, and be healthy.

(03-24-2021, 09:42 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(03-24-2021, 09:13 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 07:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It can be very simple if one so chooses.

Someone needs to help me on this one! I do not see how walking the straight and narrow path is "easy".
Sure, we can turn the Will toward our desires to become but, we are not alone on this planet; there are others that provide cruel catalyst.
I guess if one to only say continuously, "this is only but a dream" and repeat that every second on the hour until your backside hits the coffin, it would be nothing but a blissful dream.
You have some esplainin' ta do Lucy....seriously.

I think we could start from Ra's poker game.  If we discuss the parts you find are difficult to manifest?

Quote:50.7 Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.

(03-24-2021, 04:58 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(03-24-2021, 09:42 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(03-24-2021, 09:13 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(03-23-2021, 07:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It can be very simple if one so chooses.

Someone needs to help me on this one! I do not see how walking the straight and narrow path is "easy".
Sure, we can turn the Will toward our desires to become but, we are not alone on this planet; there are others that provide cruel catalyst.
I guess if one to only say continuously, "this is only but a dream" and repeat that every second on the hour until your backside hits the coffin, it would be nothing but a blissful dream.
You have some esplainin' ta do Lucy....seriously.

I think we could start from Ra's poker game.  If we discuss the parts you find are difficult to manifest?

Quote:50.7 Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.

In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.

Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.

Beautiful quote. One of my favorites but in no way does this sound "simple" it actually sounds difficult but rewarding. The narrow path is not simple. It takes finesse to play the game. First we begin by knowing the game, then we progress to well,now how do I play? As Ra says, it literally is a poker game stretched over a lifetime. A lot of failures and a lot of successes and a ton of limitation.

(03-24-2021, 05:26 PM)Patrick Wrote: I say thank you to the universe even for getting a headache. I don't know why I needed to suffer it, but thanks nonetheless. I have faith there is a good reason for it and it's ok that I don't understand why.

(03-24-2021, 03:23 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote: When you are in "Still Mind", it is not a "Vegetable State". If anything, you are more alive because of Raised Awareness. The "Art of Just Being". Knowing yourself. It is impossible to illustrate to you, unless you experience it yourself. The average person is in a state of Intellectual Awareness, and is totally unaware of Intuitive Mind. The Intuitive Mind is only functional when Intellectual Mind is still. Also within Intuitive Mind, you become aware of Subconscious Mind. You can hear the thought, (before the thought).That too can be guided. In Meditation there a term called "Samadhi", where all three phases of the Mind are still. Total Bliss. I am not here to convert you, (but), can you imagine what it is like to have total stillness within yourself? That can only be experienced alone. I have practiced Zen Meditation for thirty years, and there is a point where, (through training), and practice you can control the different aspect of Mind. It has gotten to the point where I can switch-on or switch-off Still Mind as I want it. If there is nothing to think about. Stop thinking. There is no need for endless thoughts, when there is nothing important to think about. Mind be still. I actually use Still Mind as my Vehicle for Meditation, (instead of Mantras), because it is a better Vehicle. Instant Stillness.