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RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - unity100 - 04-10-2011
(04-10-2011, 11:11 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(04-10-2011, 10:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:(04-10-2011, 08:40 AM)Eddie Wrote: Well put; succinct explanation.
it isnt a correct explanation. a 2d entity is not something planet creates. it is an entity that is part of a group soul, and the entity is in 2d.
ra had said that spirit complex always exists from beginning of time. this includes 1d entities. 'enspiriting' at the end of 2d is only in appearance than in reality.
Unity100, we both know that neither of us has the knowledge nor the understanding of these matters to declare any of this correct or incorrect.
no, we do know. because it is explicitly stated in Ra material in the subject of pyramid building, and living rock. moreover, the general subject itself is explained in various subjects regarding second density and third density.
i explicitly stated 'ra has said that'. despite this, you talk about 'neither of us has the knowledge'.
you talk about 'we not having knowledge', despite i have explicitly stated 'ra has said'. you could have gone back and read the relevant subject, you could have asked for reference, among many other things, yet, you have opted to somehow declare that 'you and i both know that we dont have the knowledge'. no, you may not know, but i know we have that knowledge, because it is stated in the material we are studying.
this is why i am responding to your posts. i dont think situation improved since the last incident. i am posting this in order to let you know, so you wont be expending energy on my behalf.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011
@Unity100, Thank you for acknowleging me. I enjoy exercising my energy for you. ...
Food for thought: If, in fact, we DO KNOW, then I am right, because I know. If we DO Know.
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Ra's influence did not end with the last recording. To limit ourselves to only what Ra stated in what we call the LOO is to not apply the very teachings found within the LOO.
Quote:
94.9 Questioner: Then she says, “If this is so, this seems to be part of the riddle about the manner of my beingness that Ra spoke of. I fear that if I do not work successfully on my human distortions I shall be responsible for losing the contact. Yet also Ra suggests the over-dedication to any outcome is unwise. Could Ra comment on these thoughts?”
Ra: I am Ra. We comment in general first upon the query about the contact which indicates once again that the instrument views the mind/body/spirit complex with jaundiced eye. Each mind/body/spirit complex that is seeking shall almost certainly have the immature and irrational behaviors. It is also the case that this entity, as well as almost all seekers, has done substantial work within the framework of the incarnative experience and has indeed developed maturity and rationality. That this instrument should fail to see that which has been accomplished and see only that which remains to be accomplished may well be noted. Indeed, any seeker discovering in itself this complex of mental and mental/emotional distortions shall ponder the possible non-efficacy of judgment.
As we approach the second portion of the query we view the possibility of infringement upon free will. However, we believe we may make reply within the boundaries of the Law of Confusion.
This particular instrument was not trained, nor did it study, nor worked it at any discipline in order to contact Ra. We were able, as we have said many times, to contact this group using this instrument because of the purity of this instrument’s dedication to the service of the One Infinite Creator and also because of the great amount of harmony and acceptance enjoyed each by each within the group; this situation making it possible for the support group to function without significant distortion.
We are humble messengers. How can any thought be taken by an instrument as to the will of the Creator? We thank this group that we may speak through it, but the future is mazed. We cannot know whether our geste may, after one final working, be complete. Can the instrument, then, think for a moment that it shall cease in the service of the One Infinite Creator? We ask the instrument to ponder these queries and observations.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-10-2011
this place has gotten more and more semantic lately.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011
Yeah right, Ocean! Semen-tic, is it?
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-10-2011
lol! ocean likes seamen just fine! but tics not so much
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-10-2011
Lol. I set it up, you spiked it. Snap!
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-10-2011
you make the punch i spike it! high 5!
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Edinburgh - 04-11-2011
At times like these, compassion, forgiveness, unconditional love, light ... maybe quite importantly ... the concept of unity. We are all one.
See yourself, see the creator. See other self, see the creator.
I remember reading just the other day, that many return to learn the lessons of how to get along with others, "the light touch" ...
Peace y'all.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - hogey11 - 04-11-2011
@Edinburgh and the rest
My ideas come from a point of view where the yellow sphere and understanding of the "3D body" is not rooted in the physical world, but instead as our perception and therefore, our reality.
I believe the red (light/matter) and orange (Earth and "life") will continue to exist into the 4th density and through the transititional period, and will not be interrupted like the 3D sphere/body/plane. We know that the 3D and 4D spheres are incompatible, and I think this is due to 3D/4D being a perceptions of the world; one rooted in confusion, the other rooted in love.
If we, as Ocean has pointed out, want to get really semantic in our disagreements, we will be here all day. Semantics are so far from the point that its ridiculous; it's ignorance half the time and manufactured confusion the other half. Just "tools" so people can feel more correct in their opinions. Sorry, its a pet peeve, i will go cool down in the corner now...
@Zenmaster
The analogy is just as 3DMonkey put it (and he did it quite well)...
Here's the Ra quote:
Quote:14.1 Questioner: After going over this morning’s work, I thought it might be helpful to fill in a few things. You said that the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness, or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms being invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?
Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.
The analogy would be similar, in that dual-activated bodies are "invested" or clothed with 4D vibrations (or feelings of love). Doesn't this make sense, as Ra claims the dual-activated entities would "abound in compassion""? That doesn't seem like a huge stretch to see these entities as somewhat imbued with 4D understandings.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-11-2011
Hello Hogey, long time no see. Is your new addition what's been occupying your time?
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - zenmaster - 04-11-2011
(04-11-2011, 07:18 PM)hogey11 Wrote: The analogy would be similar, in that dual-activated bodies are "invested" or clothed with 4D vibrations (or feelings of love). Doesn't this make sense, as Ra claims the dual-activated entities would "abound in compassion""? That doesn't seem like a huge stretch to see these entities as somewhat imbued with 4D understandings.Hey, whatever 'resonates' there is no stretch.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Edinburgh - 04-12-2011
(04-11-2011, 07:18 PM)hogey11 Wrote: If we, as Ocean has pointed out, want to get really semantic in our disagreements, we will be here all day. Semantics are so far from the point that its ridiculous; it's ignorance half the time and manufactured confusion the other half. Just "tools" so people can feel more correct in their opinions.
Interesting you say as such, I felt the same.
Instead, turn up the love and compassion, and feel the love ...
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-12-2011
Label me odd, but I do feel the love arguing semantics. I love it. I got the time. ;-)
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - hogey11 - 04-12-2011
(04-11-2011, 07:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Hello Hogey, long time no see. Is your new addition what's been occupying your time?
Not quite yet, but we're getting close!!! We're pretty much in the red zone, so any day now....
I've been lurking, but haven't had much to say lately! I've been busy pondering my place in a new world should it come to pass as I see it. I feel like I should be preparing for something, and lately debate has become "besides the point" for the time being... I'm sure i'll refill my belly with fire and be back arguing sometime soon hahaha
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Edinburgh - 04-12-2011
(04-12-2011, 05:03 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Label me odd, but I do feel the love arguing semantics. I love it. I got the time. ;-)
I got the time? What does that mean? get with Ra my friend, and get ready for the earth changes .. soon . I love you, but I feel you are not ready for this time round. Eventually you will see the light. Peace. Love light and wisdom to you in any case.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-12-2011
Monkey is too lower density for us.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - zenmaster - 04-12-2011
I got the time to waste also obviously - better than resonating in la la land.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-12-2011
some of us love la la land!
Q'uo says 3D could be supported for 150 years.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 04-12-2011
Ocean, you are a Siren luring me into la la land.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Edinburgh - 04-13-2011
Okay, there seems to be some demand for arguing ... semantically.
Gentlemen, please carry on!
Meanwhile, I will send you some good wishes, in the hope you come to some sort of conclusion in the next few threads!
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Ocean - 04-13-2011
can you guys talk about 150 years of 3D?
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - zenmaster - 05-01-2011
(03-16-2011, 12:27 PM)hogey11 Wrote: This idea is supported, imo, by the mention that "the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced" will be out of activation as well as our 3D bodies at the time 4D comes into full activation. I think what Ra is saying here is that the buildings/infrastructure we've built will not be useful anymore. The machines and inventions we've built will have no use.I think this is simply just another error in the transcription (and that you're reading way too much into it). I'm thinking it should read "The artifacts - thought-forms, and feelings - which these co-Creators have produced..." That is, the artifacts Ra is referring to are the thought forms and feelings.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - hogey11 - 05-03-2011
(05-01-2011, 03:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-16-2011, 12:27 PM)hogey11 Wrote: This idea is supported, imo, by the mention that "the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced" will be out of activation as well as our 3D bodies at the time 4D comes into full activation. I think what Ra is saying here is that the buildings/infrastructure we've built will not be useful anymore. The machines and inventions we've built will have no use.I think this is simply just another error in the transcription (and that you're reading way too much into it). I'm thinking it should read "The artifacts - thought-forms, and feelings - which these co-Creators have produced..." That is, the artifacts Ra is referring to are the thought forms and feelings.
I hear what you are saying, but i'd say go a bit deeper.
Think about how we synthesize the world around us. I wake up, and I either feel happy or depressed, depending on how crap my day is gonna be. I get up and get dressed; I wear clothes that I consider flattering, as I do not want to give anyone the wrong impression that I am a slob. I get in my car and drive to work, where I work at a company that sells products that make a profit, but don't really provide any forward benefit to mankind. I go home and watch the news with my wife, and maybe some sports or a TV show. I spend an hour cleaning my house, as cleanliness is once again a factor of success.
My argument is that both the thought-forms and feelings are interconnected. We invent machines to answer problems we have, we adopt personal styles that instill confidence, and we perform menial tasks that serve nobody but some imaginary litmus test of success. This is 3D; confusion, meaninglessness, and diversion. This is what will go away.
In 4D, we won't wear clothing based on cultures or fashions that are not our own. In 4D, we will not work meaningless jobs, we will not need to buy more useless consumer goods, and we will not experience the feelings that these things bring with them (entrapment).
That being said, I am probably looking too deeply into this....
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - zenmaster - 05-03-2011
(05-03-2011, 02:07 AM)hogey11 Wrote: My argument is that both the thought-forms and feelings are interconnected. We invent machines to answer problems we have, we adopt personal styles that instill confidence, and we perform menial tasks that serve nobody but some imaginary litmus test of success. This is 3D; confusion, meaninglessness, and diversion. This is what will go away.All goes away eventually. I think that even in 3D we have the opportunity to strive for what is actually important, and the character of this work - what we are able to know of ourselves - is what allows us to even be effective in the higher densities. If we devalue the 3D experience, we set ourselves up to dwell in that confusion, meaningless, diversion we perceive.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - hogey11 - 05-03-2011
(05-03-2011, 08:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-03-2011, 02:07 AM)hogey11 Wrote: My argument is that both the thought-forms and feelings are interconnected. We invent machines to answer problems we have, we adopt personal styles that instill confidence, and we perform menial tasks that serve nobody but some imaginary litmus test of success. This is 3D; confusion, meaninglessness, and diversion. This is what will go away.All goes away eventually. I think that even in 3D we have the opportunity to strive for what is actually important, and the character of this work - what we are able to know of ourselves - is what allows us to even be effective in the higher densities. If we devalue the 3D experience, we set ourselves up to dwell in that confusion, meaningless, diversion we perceive.
But by no means am I devaluing the 3rd density or its lessons. All I am saying is that in 3D moving to 4D, the density of confusion moving to the density of understanding, the way we live our lives and the way we react to catalyst will change greatly. We know the two densities are not compatible for this reason; 3D feelings and thought-forms are no longer useful in 4D, as not understanding the big picture is crucial to the effectiveness of the 3D catalyst.
Our entire world is currently set up on profit margins (there are obviously exceptions - 4D is on its way). Imagine what would need to change if we set up our society for the betterment of mankind rather than the pocketbook. First, corporations would need to be dissolved, as they are given too many priorities and rights. So, there goes our retail shops, gas stations, service and supply chains... There would be no point in continuing the status quo, other than maybe for the 150 year "3D support" period that Ankh has mentioned as we build new 4D infrastructure and ensure that all have their needs mets on this planet.
I almost want to put it this way: Let's say the US goes bankrupt in the next 6 months, and your USD is worthless. Would the world stop on a dime? Would we all just sit around our houses wondering when the problems would be resolved? We are locked into our 3D system, but the 3D system WILL NOT WORK in 4D. We will not feel confused, or afraid, or insecure. These are 3D feelings. The fabric of our entire existence will change. All that was worth doing before will no longer be worth doing. This is the heart of what I am speaking to.
I am not saying this is how it gonna be. This is how I imagine it to be. I very well may be wrong.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - 3DMonkey - 05-03-2011
(05-03-2011, 01:51 PM)hogey11 Wrote:(05-03-2011, 08:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-03-2011, 02:07 AM)hogey11 Wrote: My argument is that both the thought-forms and feelings are interconnected. We invent machines to answer problems we have, we adopt personal styles that instill confidence, and we perform menial tasks that serve nobody but some imaginary litmus test of success. This is 3D; confusion, meaninglessness, and diversion. This is what will go away.All goes away eventually. I think that even in 3D we have the opportunity to strive for what is actually important, and the character of this work - what we are able to know of ourselves - is what allows us to even be effective in the higher densities. If we devalue the 3D experience, we set ourselves up to dwell in that confusion, meaningless, diversion we perceive.
But by no means am I devaluing the 3rd density or its lessons. All I am saying is that in 3D moving to 4D, the density of confusion moving to the density of understanding, the way we live our lives and the way we react to catalyst will change greatly. We know the two densities are not compatible for this reason; 3D feelings and thought-forms are no longer useful in 4D, as not understanding the big picture is crucial to the effectiveness of the 3D catalyst.
Our entire world is currently set up on profit margins (there are obviously exceptions - 4D is on its way). Imagine what would need to change if we set up our society for the betterment of mankind. First, corporations would need to be dissolved, as they are given too many priorities and rights. So, there goes our retail shops, gas stations, service and supply chains... There would be no point in continuing the status quo, other than maybe for the 150 year "3D support" period that Ankh has mentioned as we build new 4D infrastructure and ensure that all have their needs mets on this planet.
I am not saying this is how it gonna be. This is how I imagine it to be. I very well may be wrong.
Personally, I think the first thing to change in our structure is the patent. I attribute all problems to this funny little creation of one person's right to control an idea.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - kycahi - 05-03-2011
(05-03-2011, 01:51 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Our entire world is currently set up on profit margins (there are obviously exceptions - 4D is on its way). Imagine what would need to change if we set up our society for the betterment of mankind rather than the pocketbook.
It might look like Social entrepreneurship and Venture Philanthropy.
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - hogey11 - 05-03-2011
(05-03-2011, 03:39 PM)kycahi Wrote:(05-03-2011, 01:51 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Our entire world is currently set up on profit margins (there are obviously exceptions - 4D is on its way). Imagine what would need to change if we set up our society for the betterment of mankind rather than the pocketbook.
It might look like Social entrepreneurship and Venture Philanthropy.
That's like my dream job! Anyone got a few hundred thousand dollars sitting around for investment?
RE: Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest - Edinburgh - 05-04-2011
(05-03-2011, 02:07 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Think about how we synthesize the world around us. I wake up, and I either feel happy or depressed, depending on how crap my day is gonna be. I get up and get dressed; I wear clothes that I consider flattering, as I do not want to give anyone the wrong impression that I am a slob. I get in my car and drive to work, where I work at a company that sells products that make a profit, but don't really provide any forward benefit to mankind. I go home and watch the news with my wife, and maybe some sports or a TV show. I spend an hour cleaning my house, as cleanliness is once again a factor of success.
This is 3D; confusion, meaninglessness, and diversion. This is what will go away.
In 4D, we won't wear clothing based on cultures or fashions that are not our own. In 4D, we will not work meaningless jobs, we will not need to buy more useless consumer goods, and we will not experience the feelings that these things bring with them (entrapment).
That being said, I am probably looking too deeply into this....
No, you are not looking too deeply, you've figured it out just right. (BTW I used to work in marketing as well, and had exactly the same feeling you described).
Thanks for sharing.