Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest

[3DMonkey]

I'm posting this specifically with member Hogey11 in mind . I say that because many might wonder "what is the purpose of this post?"

63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?
Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth-density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

63.9....
Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except we may note a small point.

The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.

Think of spheres as environmental domains.
Think of planes as literally level playing fields, no part is higher, no part is lower.
A PLANE is within a SPHERE. A PLANE's color is of the SPHERE it resides in. I'm assuming everyone is familiar with the nesting nature of the color-ray energies.

From infinity's perspective, our planet can be seen with all colors of energy rays. In our current space/time, we do not have a green-ray sphere. It is forming.....

Taking from the text above: As green-ray cycles begin, the yellow-ray PLANE we know as Earth will not be inhabited. At all (mass exit?). During this time, 4D entities learn to shield their DENSITY from 3D. "To shield" probably means visibly, materially, electrically, cellularly, you name it. Once the density shielding is sufficiently learned, 3D cycles again in the yellow-ray sphere, but not necessarily on the Plane of Earth.

While 4D entities are learning to shield and 3D entities aren't on Earth, the 4D sphere is newly forming and will coexist with the 1D sphere, the 2D sphere, and the 3D sphere.

The 4D entities currently here experience and aid in the birth of Fourth Density. So 4D can be, and is, born on Earth. Not all 4D of course, but some. Ra uses the term "planetary influence" because we have no term for the influence of all the spheres that make up the "planetary influence" at any given space/time. The spheres change in time, but the planetary influence refers to what is always there. Earth is only a plane within a sphere within a planetary influence. 4D positives stay here in the planetary influence but not on the Earth plane. After harvest.

[Ocean]

will the negative greetings stop after 2012 or at some point when we become 4D?

[zenmaster]

Of course not. You are 'all things' and have biases which can be balanced by (is complementary to) a negative entity's goal. Therefore you will experience their thought. Have fun, and thank them for the opportunity to present a specific teaching to you which you may have not even have imagined being necessary.

[Ocean]

but aren't things gonna be more harmonious?

[NegaNova]

Things will be more harmonious, I'm not entirely sure where the negative greetings fit into it all. I imagine if the greetings are allowed to continue, then also the positive forces will also be able to intervene as strongly as the negative do...
but I don't know,
hopefully we'll still be becoming as loving as we are now, and the negative will just chill out for a while lol

[3DMonkey]

but aren't things gonna be more harmonious?

The 4D positives that remain in the planetary influence will be extremely more harmonious amongst themselves. Disagreements can still occur, but every one will be worked out to vibrate to positive.

Negative forms like Orion group will still be at play in the universe. They'll be around, trying to force their will.

[Ocean]

i hope this thing works out.

[turtledude23]

i hope this thing works out.

It will work out for the planet itself, the only question is will it work out on an individual level for you.

[Ocean]

one and the same thing imo, i hope it works out for everybody. i just was curious about how we will cohabit the planet.

[kycahi]

I haven't studied the Law with an eye for what the 4D will be like, but everybody in 4D, pos or neg, has made the Choice. Of course we can flip to the other "side" at any time, but my sense is that we will be left alone or, at least, well-protected by those compassionate greenies around us.

If a new (or not) 4D+ thinks that 4D- is looking attractive, then perhaps the positives around might offer a ?D- to "make a presentation" to this person, who can then make an informed decision. I do foresee an end to the 3D confusion.

But what do I know, really?

[hogey11]

My own questions with this passage and sphere/plane questions comes down to a single point: Does the yellow sphere/plane have anything to do with our living, breathing bodies? Technically, our bodies are our 2D (orange) selves, which Ra claims will continue on into 4D without interruption...

So what does Ra mean when he says we will die due to 3D necessities? The yellow plane/sphere is described in a word by Ra as "self-awareness". What does the death of self-awareness really mean?

I think of it this way: remove the "awareness" part. We will witness the death of self. Ra claims that one of the staples of 4D will be "knowing everyone's hand", right? This is the elimination of self. We will be fully known by one another - our chosen identities destroyed as we start to navigate a world built on things no longer needed. Our careers and possessions will be washed away, and a new 4D self will emerge, allowing the "illusion" of our 3D experience wash away. It will be a death in that our 3D identities will be lost to us, no longer worth pursuing in a 4D world. There will no longer be lies.

haha i've been thinking about this too much!

[NegaNova]

My own questions with this passage and sphere/plane questions comes down to a single point: Does the yellow sphere/plane have anything to do with our living, breathing bodies? Technically, our bodies are our 2D (orange) selves, which Ra claims will continue on into 4D without interruption...

So what does Ra mean when he says we will die due to 3D necessities? The yellow plane/sphere is described in a word by Ra as "self-awareness". What does the death of self-awareness really mean?

I think of it this way: remove the "awareness" part. We will witness the death of self. Ra claims that one of the staples of 4D will be "knowing everyone's hand", right? This is the elimination of self. We will be fully known by one another - our chosen identities destroyed as we start to navigate a world built on things no longer needed. Our careers and possessions will be washed away, and a new 4D self will emerge, allowing the "illusion" of our 3D experience wash away. It will be a death in that our 3D identities will be lost to us, no longer worth pursuing in a 4D world. There will no longer be lies.

haha i've been thinking about this too much!

Actually,
I really loved how to described all that.

[3DMonkey]

My own questions with this passage and sphere/plane questions comes down to a single point: Does the yellow sphere/plane have anything to do with our living, breathing bodies? Technically, our bodies are our 2D (orange) selves, which Ra claims will continue on into 4D without interruption...

So what does Ra mean when he says we will die due to 3D necessities? The yellow plane/sphere is described in a word by Ra as "self-awareness". What does the death of self-awareness really mean?

I think of it this way: remove the "awareness" part. We will witness the death of self. Ra claims that one of the staples of 4D will be "knowing everyone's hand", right? This is the elimination of self. We will be fully known by one another - our chosen identities destroyed as we start to navigate a world built on things no longer needed. Our careers and possessions will be washed away, and a new 4D self will emerge, allowing the "illusion" of our 3D experience wash away. It will be a death in that our 3D identities will be lost to us, no longer worth pursuing in a 4D world. There will no longer be lies.

haha i've been thinking about this too much!

I think the yellow ray plane Earth has everything to do with our bodies. I think our bodies are 3D bodies. I don't think we have 2D bodies. If it were logical to say we have 2D bodies, it would be just as logical to say we have 1D bodies, or that a 2D entity has a 1D body, or that a 4D entity has a 3D body. This is not correct. What does it mean to live in Third Density- look in the mirror, you have a 3D body.

In all the times Ra mentions 3D death as necessary, ra says to the questioner "as you define death." Ra does define death as the shedding of the the space/time vehicle and the entry into time/space. Any reference to death relative to harvest, Ra clearly relates death "as the questioner views death." So, it's never a matter of Ra's perspective of the necessary death. It is what humans consider death to be that will occur.

[Ocean]

imo, it isn't the death of 3D, it's the adding of 4D. where would the 4D be without the 3 other Ds? 1D.

[3DMonkey]

Ra also says that in the process of harvest, the test of whether or not an entity is green ray ready occurs in time/space. We must die, enter time space, be light tested, and then incarnate in our proper energy ray sphere. According to Ra, no one enters 4D space/time without going through time/space.

This body will die. This incarnation of self will die. Of course, the entity is more than the body. But this 3D incarnated body is not what will transform into 4D. This body is going to drop and decay, and I am going to be someplace else when it does.

[Ocean]

but to us it would seem we are in the same body. it's not like we're going to wake up naked beside a river. i think.

[3DMonkey]

Yes. We never die. The 3D body does though.

[Ocean]

why are people upset then? we won't care. we'll have our body that's identical.

[3DMonkey]

I don't know why people are upset. I only thought people were confused.

[hogey11]

I think the yellow ray plane Earth has everything to do with our bodies. I think our bodies are 3D bodies. I don't think we have 2D bodies. If it were logical to say we have 2D bodies, it would be just as logical to say we have 1D bodies, or that a 2D entity has a 1D body, or that a 4D entity has a 3D body. This is not correct. What does it mean to live in Third Density- look in the mirror, you have a 3D body.

In all the times Ra mentions 3D death as necessary, ra says to the questioner "as you define death." Ra does define death as the shedding of the the space/time vehicle and the entry into time/space. Any reference to death relative to harvest, Ra clearly relates death "as the questioner views death." So, it's never a matter of Ra's perspective of the necessary death. It is what humans consider death to be that will occur.

I have to respectfully disagree. Here is why:

48.8 The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. (blah blah blah instrument stuff).

To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density.

Looking at the first quote, we get a definition of each density from Ra. We know from other questions that each density supersedes all the densities below it, so even in our 3D bodies, we are still 1D and 2D in activation as well.

From the second quote, we find out that 3D and 4D are somehow incompatible. They "switch out" for each other once the 100-700 year "transition period" ends, and the yellow sphere/plane falls off, so to say.

From here, I start to argue semantics. Take Ra's description of the yellow sphere for example; He clearly states it as the "physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst." I could look at this shallowly and conclude that this means simply that - our physical selves. However, I read it differently, as a differentiation between how it is now and how it will be in 4D. I don't think 4D will be much about the physical world or about using the physical world to experience catalyst, and I think this is the distinction that is being made. Ra claims nearly all the catalyst experienced in 4D is spiritual/emotional in nature, rather than physical. Only at the end of 4D is a "spiritual weariness" experienced.

This idea is supported, imo, by the mention that "the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced" will be out of activation as well as our 3D bodies at the time 4D comes into full activation. I think what Ra is saying here is that the buildings/infrastructure we've built will not be useful anymore. The machines and inventions we've built will have no use. The feelings of confusion inherent to 3D will also go. It will be a cataclysm; but one where everything remains rather than perishes.

Again, I have no problem with the 3D world going away. I think it will. In real-world terms, what if graduation is purely being able to deal with 4D and the changes it brings? Ra claims that in 4D thought becomes thing. If you are a fearful, selfish person, what is going to come into your 4D reality? Good things or bad? When 4D hits, thinking like we're still in 3D may be dangerous, and it may be what separates those who cycle and those who graduate. Can you trust everyone other than yourself (ie 51% STO) rather than "look out for number 1"?

[3DMonkey]

Okay. A dog is a 2D entity. Its body is alive. Who's awareness keeps it alive? Ours. By ours, I mean this entire plane is created by us, the self aware. Earth is the 3D plane. This is why Ra clarified that it's not just the bodies, but EVERYTHING. The 2D entity appears as a physical dog to Earth Plane dwellers. So, the dog is a 3D plane manifestation of a 2D entity that has been allowed to exist in the yellow ray sphere. The 2D dog is allowed to exist in the green ray sphere, but we have no clue what that will look like.

Green ray doesn't allow 3D entities in. It can't. It doesn't work. We must be 4D before we can step foot in the green sphere. To become 4D, we must pass the light test administered in time/space. To get to time/space, we have to leave this physical plane.

[AnthroHeart]

Or one can open up to Intelligent Infinity and then ascend in that manner.

[3DMonkey]

Yes. But the 3D body isn't going anywhere.

[Whitefeather]

Nice thread and good observations.

@Hogey11: No need to remove 'awareness' or 'self awareness'. Always keep awareness! Expanding awareness to full understanding is the key to the 4D door! Expanding 'awareness of self' to 'awareness of others' is also key to love, compassion and understanding, hence to 4D awareness. (you may be interested to see the thread on what it means to be awake).

@ 3DMonkey:
Keep in mind that all densities already exist together. Earth has already Her seven densities bodies. We human beings also have already our seven densities bodies. The expressions 'ascension' or 'going to 4D' are only a point of view which we hold from 3D. Because, I repeat, we already have a 4D body, a 5D body, a 6D body, as well as a 2D body and a 1stD body (and needless to say, a 3D body also)... Our 4D body is electrical in nature, it is an energetic/etheric kind of body; it already exists however while in 3D, we do not live exclusively through this electric body in order to know ourselves and to perceive and interact with the world, not at this moment or at least, not entirely, at the moment... Whilst our 3D body is our 5 senses body, the body we perceive through the illusion of the 5 senses and the mind. From a 3D existence point of view, it is possible to create a great diversity of experiences. In 4D is a different matter.

@3DMonkey: It will not be the self which will 'die', it will be that our perception of the world through our five senses will become less important while our electrical perceptions will ascertain itself.

@ Ocean: To the question: Will the negative greetings stop when reaching 4D?

The negative entities will never stop being negative 4D and we will never stop being positive 4D! As a result, the negative will go on stealing energy by force from other life forms toward themselves and to their own benefit (like we do in 3D when we eat for example) and, the positive will continue to respecting other life forms at all levels, helping life as much as possible in the understanding that all life is interconnected through densities and works in symbiotic harmony within a freely given and balanced transfer of energies.
Btw information is a 4D energy.

Ra mentioned that in 4D, there is a constant battle between negative and positive, since the 4D negative are constantly attacking 2D, 3D and 4D positive in order to take their life force for their own sustenance.
It is clear also that in 4D the 2 factions are separated from one another, each regrouped in their own vibratory 'community' so to say and, do not live mixed together as 3D do here on Earth.

Conclusion, no stopping of greetings in 4D I am afraid (pun intended! lol) but on the other hand, more support in 4D positive towards one another. Love, compassion, understanding and truth become supportive matters gaining both in importance and in transparency. And, most important of all, no one on a positive path will ever be or feel alone any more!

& :idea:
Whitefeather

[3DMonkey]

It's always in mind that we exist in fullness. We are also a collective currently with our awareness of it veiled for a good reason.

We exist in pieces of time and space. The Logos is the whole of this time and space.

To say we are already 6D and then to say we need more 4D love is inconsistent. If we are now 6D, 4D has already done all of it's work.

This piece we are now needs to be 3D for the whole to exist properly. This piece we are in needs to be veiled for the purposes of the whole. Our wholeness exists certainly, but it is constructed of pieces of space and of time.

If I already have grandchildren, then there is no need to have intercourse to have my first child. That doesn't jive right does it?

[hogey11]

I think the yellow ray plane Earth has everything to do with our bodies. I think our bodies are 3D bodies. I don't think we have 2D bodies. If it were logical to say we have 2D bodies, it would be just as logical to say we have 1D bodies, or that a 2D entity has a 1D body, or that a 4D entity has a 3D body. This is not correct. What does it mean to live in Third Density- look in the mirror, you have a 3D body.

In all the times Ra mentions 3D death as necessary, ra says to the questioner "as you define death." Ra does define death as the shedding of the the space/time vehicle and the entry into time/space. Any reference to death relative to harvest, Ra clearly relates death "as the questioner views death." So, it's never a matter of Ra's perspective of the necessary death. It is what humans consider death to be that will occur.

I agree with you that our 3D perspective/experience forms all that we are, including our physical bodies. However, I would ask you dive beneath the surface once again with me

What is it that really constitutes who we are? Our experiences and the results of those events (catalyst). Therefore, it could be said that our physical bodies as they are in the 3D world is "controlled" by our 3D self. This "control" does not necessarily mean some metaphysical remote, but rather, it could be referring to our choices made each and every day. People that are physically fit are that way because they choose to exercise or work a physical job. Those who are overweight choose to eat more calories than they expel. It is our 3D self that calls the shots, and taking care of the physical vessel is one of those responsibilities. Therefore, our 3D selves constitute the physical body in this context Ra speaks of.

Another clue was where Ra mentions that our 2D body can live on its own for a time (as a feral human, one would figure), but that it is quite rare for that to happen. I take this as meaning without the impression of a higher density upon the 2D body, we're not very impressive compared to, say, a bear. It is our tools and ingenuity that make us so impressive, at the end of the day.

@Hogey11: No need to remove 'awareness' or 'self awareness'. Always keep awareness! Expanding awareness to full understanding is the key to the 4D door! Expanding 'awareness of self' to 'awareness of others' is also key to love, compassion and understanding, hence to 4D awareness. (you may be interested to see the thread on what it means to be awake).

Thank you for the kind words, Dreamfeather! I understand what you mean by including awareness rather than exclude it, and I agree. In many ways, you have explained the core of what I am trying to get at by focusing on the expansion of awareness rather than contraction of it. Overall, I am trying to find a better understanding besides the callous (imo) view of "we all die, 4D is better, stop complaining, you've died lots before". I suppose that's why I argue that the end of 3D will be the end of self, rather than the end of everything. Our awareness will expand and the "old way" will fade into oblivion, thus signaling the start of 4D.

@3DMonkey, You are forgetting that our 6D selves (at least) are no longer within Time/Space or Space/Time, and therefore neither belong in the future or the past. Ra also says our higher self is also a gift from our 6D selves for use for earlier densities. You are putting things through the filter of 3D by demanding things follow a linear path in time!

At the end of the day, I am trying to put a real-world scenario into the context of harvest. It has come with challenges. I don't think I know... but I will continue to test it and question the options. All I know is that nothing is lost, as Ra says... and for myself, the opportunity to raise my unborn daughter in a new 4D world seems too amazing an opportunity to be denied. It is a selfish reason, but hey, I got 99% possible STO left, right?

[Ocean]

I don't know why people are upset. I only thought people were confused.

usually people are upset about dying.

[3DMonkey]

@3DMonkey, You are forgetting that our 6D selves (at least) are no longer within Time/Space or Space/Time, and therefore neither belong in the future or the past. Ra also says our higher self is also a gift from our 6D selves for use for earlier densities. You are putting things through the filter of 3D by demanding things follow a linear path in time!

I don't feel like I am. I understand that time doesn't have to operate linearly, yet the Logos chose to separate space/time and time/space. It chose to separate 3D from 4D and 4D from 5D. It created the need for progressive densities and by doing so, created values that separate densities. Each density operates with its own rules. We exist on all levels simultaneously, but there ARE levels. In 6D, everything is seen as light, but there are still things to be seen. If all is light, then 6D is just a light...no, 6D's view breaks all the pieces into how it is created by light. The pieces are still there. 3D's view of light exists and is different from 6D's view. Time is difficult to see. We call it time. It is infinity. Infinity is like a circle of string. In 3D, we can only see the section of string we stand on. There IS a section to be stood upon. There IS a process by which we walk along these sections. There are enough strings to make a globe. This globe exists as one infinity. Linear time isn't a crutch, it is a deliberate creation. All happens at once, but all the happenings are pieces of the once. Ra is the filter I am using. Ra's words are my filter. This topic is entirely Ra-centric.

The Higher Self is more than a gift from Sixth Density, it literally IS our 6D self. Lit er al ly. http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...+Self&ss=1

I'm not sure what you refer to about 6D being outside space/time and time/space. Maybe you mean they are in both at the same time??

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I don't know why people are upset. I only thought people were confused.

usually people are upset about dying.

Of course. That's why everyone is manipulating Ra's words to read that we flash into 4D with this current 3D identity intact. People are upset about losing identity. Which is curious for a LOO group, imo.

Your post I was originally referring to : I thought you were asking about the people "upset" that Ra says we must die.

[Ocean]

i don't believe we will die or notice a change in 2012. i think we flip, flip and wake up. we will create the world exactly as it was. our bodies die constantly anyways.

[3DMonkey]

i don't believe we will die or notice a change in 2012. i think we flip, flip and wake up. we will create the world exactly as it was. our bodies die constantly anyways.

Are you sleepy? ..... Are you saying nothing will change at all, except a wake up? .... LOL, that's easy enough, pretend it will happen in two seconds... there, all better exactly as it was