Quote:This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

Q. Could you tell me how, in the first density, wind and fire teach earth and water?

Ra: I am Ra. You may see the air and fire of that which is chaos as literally illuminating and forming the formless, for earth and water were, in the timeless state, unformed. As the active principles of fire and air blow and burn incandescently about that which nurtures that which is to come, the water learns to become sea, lake, and river offering the opportunity for viable life. The earth learns to be shaped, thus offering the opportunity for viable life.

Quote:The second density is the density of the higher plant life and animal life which exists without the upward drive towards the infinite. These second-density beings are of an octave of consciousness just as you find various orientations of consciousness among the conscious entities of your vibration.

Quote:There is much of blessing in the gardening and the care of surroundings, for when this is accomplished in love of the creation the second-density flowers, plants, and small animals are aware of this service and return it.

(12-31-2009, 11:49 PM)Questioner Wrote: 75,000 years ago, conscious entities from outside the Earth added this capacity for conscious thought to the existing second-density animal life, in particular, the apes with opposable thumbs.

(12-31-2009, 12:02 PM)transiten Wrote: "God" is OK with me, but "Father" not, unless combined with "Mother".

Quote:I'm a musiscian and languageteacher (french) and i consider sound carrying "meaning". Yesterday i heard a very interesting analysis of the role of Joseph and the concept of "Virgin" Mary...Why is Joseph denied true fathership and Mary supposed to have given birth without intercourse? This has had a hughe impact on the "absent father" and the Whore/Madonnacomplex spread among the traditional religions.

Quote:The fullmoon is INCREDIBLE shining through my window. It's "the blue moon" and also the month with two fullmoons. Also there are 13 fullmoons a year, coinciding with the female period. 13 is the wholy number, Jesus was nr 13 among 12 disciples, Ophiucus is the 13:th sign not used in traditional western astrology, in the Celtic tradition nr 13 was the wholy godess.

Quote:The female principle is now being restored, there must be balance between heaven and earth within every human being.

Quote:13 is my lucky number

Quote:“Of the many gospels written in antiquity, exactly four gospels came to be accepted as part of the New Testament, or canonical. An insistence upon a canonical four, and no others, was a central theme of Irenaeus of Lyons, c.185. In his central work, Adversus Haereses Irenaeus denounced various Christian groups that used only one gospel…as well as groups that embraced the texts of new revelations.…Irenaeus declared that the four he espoused were the four pillars of the Church: ‘it is not possible that there can be either more or fewer than four’ he stated, presenting as logic the analogy of the four corners of the earth and the four winds (1.11.8). His image, taken from Ezekial 1, of God’s throne borne by four creatures with four faces—‘the four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and the four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle’— equivalent to the ‘four-formed’ gospel, is the origin of the conventional symbols of the Evangelists: lion, bull, eagle, man. Irenaeus was successful in declaring that the four gospels collectively, and exclusively these four, contained the truth. By reading each gospel in light of the others, Irenaeus made of John a lens through which to read Matthew, Mark and Luke“ (Wikipedia article on Gospel, accessed 12-04-2008).

Quote:“Following the custom of the Synagogue, the Scriptures of the Old Testament were read at the primitive Christian assemblies. According as the Canon of the New Testament was decided on, certain extracts from it were included in these readings. Justin tells us that in his day, when the Christians met together, they read the Memoirs of the Apostles and the writings of the Prophets (First Apology 67). Tertullian, Cyprian, and other writers bear witness to the same custom; and in the West the order of lector existed as early as the third century. For want of precise testimony we do not know how the particular passages were decided on. Most likely the presiding bishop chose them at the assembly itself; and it is obvious that on the occurrence ofcertain festivals the Scripture relating to them would be read. Little by little a more or less definite list would naturally result from this method. St. John Chrysostom in a homily delivered at Antioch exhorts his hearers to read beforehand the Scripture passages to be read and commented on in the Office of the day (Homilia de Lazaro, iii, c. i). In like manner other Churches would form a table of readings. In the margin of the manuscript text it was customary to note the Sunday or festival on which that particular passage would be read, and at the end of the manuscript, the list of such passages, the Synaxarium or Capitulare, would be added. Transition from this process to the making of an Evangeliarium, or collection of all such passages, was easy. Gregory is of opinion that we possess fragments of Evangeliaria in Greek dating from the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries, and that we have very many from the ninth century onwards (according to Gregory they number 1072). In like manner, we find Lectionaries in the Lain Churches as early as the fifth century. The Comes of the Roman Church dates from before St. Gregory the Great (P.L., XXX, 487-532." (quoted from the New Advent Encyclopedia article on Evangeliaria).

(12-26-2009, 11:43 PM)kristy1111 Wrote: I love the idea of being "one" in spirit and purpose...you know, a "unity", but I want to have this while still being a child of God and enjoying other children of God. I want to be an eternal, *individual* soul and enjoy other souls. I don't want to meld into a big entity and be just one entity, literally. I have felt guilty for having the desire to be an individual soul. I've had people tell me this is just my ego speaking.

Quote:"Your Mother is in you, and you in her. She bore you she gives you life. it was she who gave to you your body, and to her shall you one day give it back again. Happy are you when you come to know her and her kingdom; if you receive your Mother's angels and if you do her laws. I tell you truly, he who does these things shall never see disease. For the power of our Mother is above all. And it destroys Satan and his kingdom, and has rule over all your bodies and all living things.

"The blood which runs in us is born of the blood of our Earthly Mother. Her blood falls from the clouds; leaps from the womb of the earth; babbles in the brooks of the mountains; flows wide in the rivers of the plains; sleeps in the lakes; rages mightily in tempestuous seas.

"The air which we breathe is born of the breath of our Earthly Mother. Her breath is azure in the heights of t heavens; soughs in the tops of the mountains; whispers the leaves of the forest; billows over the cornfields; slumbers in the deep valleys, burns hot in the desert.

"The hardness of our bones is born of the bones of our Earthly Mother, of the rocks and of the stones. They stand naked to the heavens on the tops of mountains; are as giants that lie sleeping on the sides of the mountains, as idols set in the desert, and are hidden in the deepness of the earth.

"The tenderness of our flesh is born of the flesh of our Earthly Mother; whose flesh waxes yellow and red in the fruits of the trees, and nurtures us in the furrows of the fields.

"Our bowels are born of the bowels of our Earthly Mother, and are hid from our eyes, like the invisible depths of the earth.

"The light of our eyes, the hearing of our ears, both are born of the colors and the sounds of our Earthly Mother; which enclose us about, as the waves of the sea a fish, as the eddying air a bird.

"I tell you in very truth, Man is the Son of the Earthly Mother, and from her did the Son of Man receive his whole body, even as the body of the newborn babe is born of the womb of his mother. I tell you truly, you are one with the Earthly Mother; she is in you, and you in her. Of her were you born, in her do you live, and to her shall you return again. Keep, therefore, her laws, for none can live long, neither be happy, but he who honors his Earthly Mother and does her laws. For your breath is her breath; your blood her blood; your bone her bone; your flesh her flesh; your bowels her bowels; your eyes and your ears are her eyes and her ears.

(12-31-2009, 11:49 PM)Questioner Wrote: In our galaxy, the plan of creation is for consciousness to occur in life forms on planets. We don't know whether the same pattern occurs in other galaxies. Our Sun used the processes of physics - such as gravity, electromagnetic force, and rotation - to gather dust and gas which coalesced into planets. Over further periods of time, our Earth developed liquid oceans, an atmosphere, and volcanic activity breaking through the crust. Ra refers to the four fundamental elements of earth, air, fire, and water, as the starting point of consciousness.

*** So does this mean that our "God" (creator) is actually the sun? Is the sun aware of us and do we pray to that sun...a bit confused here.
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Now any consciousness of these elements must be vastly different to our own thoughts. If a mountain range has a thought, it might span thousands of miles and take countless years to think that thought. Compared to people, who can have a new thought every second, focused on our five or six foot high bodies, the thoughts of the elements are very diffuse. They are far less dense than our own thoughts. The consciousness inherent in the basic elements is the First Density.

*** I remember reading an article or something that told about some scientists putting electrodes on a plant, and when they told the plant they were going to burn it, the electrode measurements went crazy. It made me think about the consciousness of plants and their awareness...and I have treated plants differently. Although I still don't know how to deal with wondering how a plant might feel as I chew it to pieces. :-/
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It's not clear to me whether First Density includes everything before the four basic elements are available. It's also not clear whether Ra used the four elements literally, as the ancient Greeks and Chinese did in their explanation of primal forces, or whether this is a symbolic representation of all the elements of the Periodic Table. But Ra does explain:

Quote:This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

*** A friend of mine wondered, when I told him about this, if we have all experienced being ONE mineral or if we experienced being the whole load of minerals. He believed it would be the combo, but I felt it would be one, since each mineral is a separate thing, even though they all work together. But doesn't everything...?
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Q. Could you tell me how, in the first density, wind and fire teach earth and water?

Ra: I am Ra. You may see the air and fire of that which is chaos as literally illuminating and forming the formless, for earth and water were, in the timeless state, unformed. As the active principles of fire and air blow and burn incandescently about that which nurtures that which is to come, the water learns to become sea, lake, and river offering the opportunity for viable life. The earth learns to be shaped, thus offering the opportunity for viable life.

*** I wonder if we experienced being fire "once", or if we were one of many fires. After all, first begins, then it dies. A flame flickers for but a moment, and then moves and becomes a new flame, etc. Same with water...are we one drop, or the entire body that makes that collection of water...? And we we experience being water once, or many times....?
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With the structure of the planet in place, plant and animal life can arise. It's not clear if some virus particles are minerals or cellular life, but from bacteria on up through dinosaurs, we are clearly dealing with living creatures made up of cells.

*** I wonder if we were one kind of cell, and did it many times, or if we just tried each kind of cell once. So much to ponder! Maybe it doesn't even matter to now that. Maybe it's just important to know that we've experienced it. Period.
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Ra explained:

Quote:The second density is the density of the higher plant life and animal life which exists without the upward drive towards the infinite. These second-density beings are of an octave of consciousness just as you find various orientations of consciousness among the conscious entities of your vibration.

This consciousness allows striving for life and growth, whether of seeds that germinate and grow into plants, or animals that explore their environment.

*** Sheeesh, that means that I used to be somebody's salad...and then somebody's #$@!
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If I correctly understand the Ra material, some trees are very close to the level of consciousness that people can have. Many animals have a pack mind, without the individual capacity for moral choice that people have, and we've discussed that in this forum. Ra said:

Quote:There is much of blessing in the gardening and the care of surroundings, for when this is accomplished in love of the creation the second-density flowers, plants, and small animals are aware of this service and return it.

*** That is so cooooool! I wonder how they return it. Plants: Perhaps nourishing our bodies or providing beauty? Animals...friends? Protectors?
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Could the fire understand the mind of a dog? Could the wind understand the mind of a penicillin colony? Could the ocean understand the thoughts of a bird? This is the gap between first and second density. In second density, conscious awareness is far more focused within an individual, growing life form.

*** Are the 1st and 2nd density entities aware of 3rd density? Or are they just "there" and don't know we're around...?
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Third Density is our present level of consciousness, able to ask the kind of questions you're bringing to our delightful forum.

*** I think I ask enough questions on behalf of at least thousands of people.
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75,000 years ago, conscious entities from outside the Earth added this capacity for conscious thought to the existing second-density animal life, in particular, the apes with opposable thumbs.

*** Okay, somebody corrected this by saying the Logos did that. But what is the Logos (new to this, sorry). "Love"... but who or what is love? Are you talking about the sun here, because it was stated in this thread that the sun created us. Trying to put this whole puzzle together, as much as I can, anyway.
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We now live in a time period when the Earth is moving up to fourth density. This is as far beyond ordinary human consciousness as our thoughts are able to transcend what a cat, bird, tree, flower or amoeba is able to ponder.

*** So we'll then be able to converse with the plants and animals, etc.? I remember somebody telling me (when I was a child) that on Christmas eve, you could talk to the animals. I was so frustrated after trying to talk to my dog and cat for a long time. :@
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We'll next need to look at the nature of The Choice in third density, and what we are able to comprehend of the higher densities. The discussion of the archetypes might be next. I'll get to that in the coming days unless one of our fellow discussion enthusiasts gets to it first.

If we don't exchange greetings before then, Happy New Year!

(01-02-2010, 07:17 AM)ayadew Wrote: Ram Dass: "If there's only one of us, who do you talk to..."

I think it's meaningful to remember that God/Creator is always larger than you can possibly imagine. All concepts you can present is only within the creation, it is a concept created by a higher consciousness/logos, but it is not consiousness itself, it is not the Creator itself.

*** "ah-hah" moment for me here! I'm getting the feeling that we will NEVER understand the true creator while here in 3d, and in fact, it will be a long time before we ever do. Yes? So we're being led and taught by a higher consciousness? If so, is this consciousness "God" for us, but there is an "ultimate" God (creator)?
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All you have ever heard, even from Ra, does not come close to describing what the Creator really is. Ra is very serious about saying that they are but humble teachers of the Law of One. They do not know everything. They do not know what the Creator is.

Trust that all that is made is made out of infinite love and compassion for you, that all is well. Higher consciousness/co-creators are called Logos for a reason.. they are love.

*** I think that if I/we would just quit worrying, and just have faith that everything is in divine order, we'd feel and do much better and evolve more quickly. I sometimes envision this as just falling back in a cloud with my eyes shut, totally unafraid of hurting myself when I land.
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There is only faith in this existence...

*** So, do we get to rely on more than faith in the higher densities?

(01-01-2010, 10:33 PM)thefool Wrote: Remember by being the individual soul and being who you are. you are expanding the edges of the universe and adding so much to the 'Oneness' understanding itself. It is a great service. ( Might want to read Abraham hicks on this topic. They say it very beautifully).

*** Where might I find this in A.H. stuff? They have a lot of stuff out there. Also, this hit a topic that confuses me. I was taught (when I belonged to organized religion) that God is "omniscient" and knew all there is to know and is aware of EVERYthing ("of every sparrow that falls"). Now I am hearing that God ("oneness") needs us to understand itself. Can you expound on this...or anyone...or lots of you?
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(01-01-2010, 12:17 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: If I may correct this.

The Logos did this, not higher density entities. Earth, as is all the planets and suns in this galaxy, is of the design of the Logos.

*** Okay, another person posted on here that the SUN created this earth and the planets in our solar system.

The use of the bipedal ape body is the one this Logos uses in this galaxy for third density incarnate experience. The bipedal ape body is in use by approximately 5% of all galaxies in this octave.

(01-05-2010, 04:57 PM)kristy1111 Wrote: *** Where might I find this in A.H. stuff? They have a lot of stuff out there. ___________________________________

(01-05-2010, 04:57 PM)kristy1111 Wrote: Also, this hit a topic that confuses me. I was taught (when I belonged to organized religion) that God is "omniscient" and knew all there is to know and is aware of EVERYthing ("of every sparrow that falls"). Now I am hearing that God ("oneness") needs us to understand itself. Can you expound on this...or anyone...or lots of you?
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(01-05-2010, 05:31 PM)thefool Wrote: You will have to search AH material for this. But trust me it is there. I might even be in one of the Videos I have.

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*** Will do!
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I really enjoy all the questions that you ask. They make me think of different ways to express.

*** I'm glad somebody enjoys it...I feel like I'm going to drive everyone here insane. I remind myself of a three-year-old tugging on his mother's apron, asking a billion questions. hehehe...
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It is contradictory only if there are two of us. God and Us. But it gets resolved when there is only One. God and Us are One. So God knows everything and at the same time he needs himself (Us) for a grander expression of himself. and every moment the expression of God is different and expanding thru us. We only seem to be different due to the illusion in different densities. The illusion is created to support the joyful expression and playful exploration of God for God and by God ...

(12-31-2009, 05:39 PM)transiten Wrote: Hello seejay

In my opinion the female principle has been severly supressed in men an exaggerated in women which has led to an imbalance and repression of women since the female characteristics have been considred as "weak" To me it's a mystery that you have not noticed

The partial lunar eclipse tonight occurs in the sign of cancer the "nurturing" sign. As moon rules cancer the female principle is symbolically darkened.

transiten

(01-05-2010, 04:57 PM)kristy1111 Wrote: So does this mean that our "God" (creator) is actually the sun? Is the sun aware of us and do we pray to that sun...a bit confused here.

Quote:Q: Then I am assuming that this sub-Logos created this planetary system in all of its densities. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sub-Logos of your solar entity differentiated some experiential components within the patterns of intelligent energy set in motion by the Logos which created the basic conditions and vibratory rates consistent throughout your, what you have called, major galaxy.

Q: What I’m saying is that there are roughly 250 billion stars somewhat like ours in this major galaxy. Are they all part of the same sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. They are all part of the same Logos. Your solar system, as you would call it, is a manifestation somewhat and slightly different due to the presence of a sub-Logos.

Quote:A friend of mine wondered, when I told him about this, if we have all experienced being ONE mineral or if we experienced being the whole load of minerals.

Quote:I wonder if we experienced being fire "once", or if we were one of many fires.

Quote:I remember reading an article or something that told about some scientists putting electrodes on a plant...

Quote:Although I still don't know how to deal with wondering how a plant might feel as I chew it to pieces.

Quote:I wonder if we were one kind of cell, and did it many times, or if we just tried each kind of cell once.

Quote:Sheeesh, that means that I used to be somebody's salad...and then somebody's #$@!

Quote:That is so cooooool! I wonder how they return it. Plants: Perhaps nourishing our bodies or providing beauty? Animals...friends? Protectors?

Quote:Are the 1st and 2nd density entities aware of 3rd density? Or are they just "there" and don't know we're around...?

Quote:I think I ask enough questions on behalf of at least thousands of people.

Quote:Trying to put this whole puzzle together, as much as I can, anyway.

Quote:Okay, somebody corrected this by saying the Logos did that. But what is the Logos (new to this, sorry). "Love"... but who or what is love? Are you talking about the sun here, because it was stated in this thread that the sun created us.

Quote:So we'll then be able to converse with the plants and animals, etc.? I remember somebody telling me (when I was a child) that on Christmas eve, you could talk to the animals. I was so frustrated after trying to talk to my dog and cat for a long time.

Quote:I'm getting the feeling that we will NEVER understand the true creator while here in 3d, and in fact, it will be a long time before we ever do. Yes? So we're being led and taught by a higher consciousness?

Quote:I think that if I/we would just quit worrying, and just have faith that everything is in divine order, we'd feel and do much better and evolve more quickly.

Quote:Now I am hearing that God ("oneness") needs us to understand itself.

(01-18-2010, 01:58 AM)peregrine Wrote: So, Kristy, do you understand oneness now after three years and three weeks?

(01-19-2010, 01:28 AM)Questioner Wrote: Kristy, I don't want to overload you with more concepts than you've had time to ponder. Are you ready for me to continue my summarizing project? Or is it too soon for more of that?

(01-19-2010, 03:40 AM)Questioner Wrote: Oh, I was waiting for you to say you were ready! OK, I'll have some more material for you this week.