(03-25-2021, 06:35 PM)Minyatur Wrote: To note that Ra said that for a planetary entity to be named a Logos, it needs to be working in harmonic fashion with entities or mind/body complexes upon its surface or within its electromagnetic field. This was in response to Don asking if our planet was some form of sub-sub-Logos and seems to indicate that is not yet the case. In a later session, the material seems to indicate that we 3D entities are parents to the planetary entity that will be born.

(03-25-2021, 06:50 PM)zedro Wrote: ...part of the uniqueness of Earth's situation?

Ra 6.13 Wrote:...The experience you share is unique to this time/space continuum.

(03-25-2021, 01:49 PM)Patrick Wrote: Ra being close to their 7d harvest is probably the closest avatar we have of our sub-Logos.

Quote:The creator itself is the prime logos as Ra uses the word. It is used to reference a portion of intelligent infinity which has manifested in a specific manner. The next major Logos is that of the Galaxy as a whole. Then each star has its own Logos, followed by each planet, then each moon, and finally each individual life-form native to those bodies. The logos is hierarchical in nature and is independent of the densities. Each Logos determines the parameters of manifested creation within its domain, and each sub logos is independent but must further refine the creation within their own domain while being unable to change any of the parameters set by the higher logos.

(03-22-2021, 06:06 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

Quote: “It is impossible to worship both sides, – the male and female of nature, – at once; one or the other must predominate. Only by following the absolute, sexless Unity, can the white path be trodden. Hence the necessity for chastity. The occult and the physical must never be mixed up. It is absolutely necessary to concentrate on one or the other. The tendency naturally is to Black Magic, and that is why several years of training are necessary to cut away every sort of prejudice before power can be entrusted to you. Before you can become an occultist you have to give up every prejudice, every liking, every feeling of preference for one thing or another. The adept must entirely separate himself from his personality. He must say, I am a power! It is easy to fall into Black Magic.”

(K.H., Some Commentaries on H.P.B.’s Esoteric Instructions I and II, pg. 10, Par. 2, last line)

(03-25-2021, 08:40 PM)Patrick Wrote: Fasting !  It's been a while since my last time.  On my third day I was sitting with a glass of water in front of my wife who was eating pizza.  

(03-25-2021, 08:50 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:

(03-25-2021, 08:40 PM)Patrick Wrote: Fasting !  It's been a while since my last time.  On my third day I was sitting with a glass of water in front of my wife who was eating pizza.  

Of all the foods to tempt yourself with... even those of us with the purest diets might not be able to control ourselves following the brain explosions on day three of intentional starvation when in sight of a glorious pizza...

It's been years since I did a three day fast. I never felt I gained much from it, physically or psychologically. I find that a fast of 24-hours or less suits me well.

(03-25-2021, 08:34 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Far better, I think, to love the self, the full 360-degree self, the light and the dark, that which is liked and disliked in the self, and to then do the work of the disciplines of the personality: Knowing the Self, Accepting the Self, Becoming the Creator.

(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: But the Theosophists weren't much in to love.  "There is no religion higher than truth" was one of their slogans, and they were not particularly loving to their anointed saviour, J. Krishnamurti, when he tired of the situation they put him into.

(03-26-2021, 05:32 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: The passage by Blavatsky sounds like some more if the same old bullshit to me. I dunno, maybe I wasn't reading it right or thinking enough about it, but it came across to me as another one of those bullshit assertions that spirituality amd physicality are dualistic and one must be picked over the other to get what you want put of either. I'm sick of spiritual ascetics telling us we need to disregard the matters and desires of the flesh to indulge in thw spiritual

(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: They were seeking assiduously to see behind the veil in Victorian times, so one has to give them credit working under duress, but various distortions of those years are woven into their works.  The unbalanced anti-sexual display in the OP is one example of that, I would aver.

Quote:Ra: We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

(03-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: But the Theosophists weren't much in to love.  "There is no religion higher than truth" was one of their slogans, and they were not particularly loving to their anointed saviour, J. Krishnamurti, when he tired of the situation they put him into.

Do you know how love was situated in their philosophy? Was it simply one of any number of human emotions? Something to overcome? I know little about theosophy, but I do seem to recall Krisnhamurti being identified and groomed from a young age for the role.

(03-25-2021, 08:50 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: It's been years since I did a three day fast. I never felt I gained much from it, physically or psychologically. I find that a fast of 24-hours or less suits me well.

(03-26-2021, 12:43 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: But the Theosophists weren't much in to love.  "There is no religion higher than truth" was one of their slogans, and they were not particularly loving to their anointed saviour, J. Krishnamurti, when he tired of the situation they put him into.

Do you know how love was situated in their philosophy? Was it simply one of any number of human emotions? Something to overcome? I know little about theosophy, but I do seem to recall Krisnhamurti being identified and groomed from a young age for the role.

I read a few of their books decades back and don't recall much of the specifics.  But I would note that the Theosophists wrote books in the late 19th-early20th centuries which were the result of communication with disincarnate beings (ascended masters) and that sense they pre-figured the work of L/L Research.  The term "Devachanic Plane" which Prof. Elkins uses in the Ra Material may well have entered into the lexicon via a Theospohist.
Personally, I would say that their stuff could be useful to some degree but is of markedly uneven purity.  I believe they lacked a good system of tuning their contacts.
  

(03-26-2021, 03:31 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 12:43 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:

(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: But the Theosophists weren't much in to love.  "There is no religion higher than truth" was one of their slogans, and they were not particularly loving to their anointed saviour, J. Krishnamurti, when he tired of the situation they put him into.

Do you know how love was situated in their philosophy? Was it simply one of any number of human emotions? Something to overcome? I know little about theosophy, but I do seem to recall Krisnhamurti being identified and groomed from a young age for the role.

I read a few of their books decades back and don't recall much of the specifics.  But I would note that the Theosophists wrote books in the late 19th-early20th centuries which were the result of communication with disincarnate beings (ascended masters) and that sense they pre-figured the work of L/L Research.  The term "Devachanic Plane" which Prof. Elkins uses in the Ra Material may well have entered into the lexicon via a Theospohist.
Personally, I would say that their stuff could be useful to some degree but is of markedly uneven purity.  I believe they lacked a good system of tuning their contacts.
  

According the the Theosophist website, the idea they communicated with discarnate entities is a later misunderstanding. Blavatsky and others insisted the masters were real, physical, humans, just like anyone else. They just were isolated and had been so for a very long time. Blavatsky even wrote articles which from the title appear to warn against believing channeled information easily.

When the thread was started I was about to reply but realized I was confusing Blavatsky for Dion Fortune, of which I have read the latter but never the former. I haven't had much time to look into the actual body of work of Theosophy and Blavatsky yet.

When Blavatsky first started she was using the term master in the old meaning of teacher. The same way it is used when referring to a master and apprentice. According to her own statements that is the precise relationship she had with these masters, having been chosen from a young age to be taught by them for the purpose of disseminating some of the truth.

The nature of the masters was always physical from the start, and they repeatedly warned against people treating them as angels, or gods, or ascended, or whatever. They actually have preserved letters from the masters to certain students, even some written after Blavatsky died since she is usually accused of writing them fraudulently. These letters are at a british museum. Despite this several groups were taken over by very self serving individuals who elevated the masters to godlike status and this broke apart and ruined the original societies. This included redacting and altering original works of Blavatsky and others, making additions, and writing their own new materials which contradicted the originals.

The largest modern group is a decentralized group of seekers who cooperate to preserve the original works in their original form.

One of the things which interest me the most is the origin of the masters and it relationship with certain references in the R material and L/L Research. From the earliest contact with Hatonn there was references to there being other groups in contact with the confederation. Little information is ever given due to the law of confusion. Ra also mentions that there are white magic groups who perform works like is mentioned to give love and light to the earth as a whole and to balance the negative energy generated.

In years of research into this world the magical societies which are publicly known do not fit the description of Ra. The closest things we have to those who fit that description are the practically mythical stories of Yogis, Qigong Masters, and Saint Germain. All tend to be very similar in that they refer to people who are very long lived, capable of extraordinary feats, and they come from seclusion and re-enter seclusion. Sometimes never heard from again and sometimes they reappear decades later looking the same.

My thoughts are that, if these groups Ra and others mention really exist and are doing this work, then the most likely candidates are these secluded groups. The group Blavatsky was in contact with came from the Himalayas, while they also said they were in contact with other groups even in those times. These groups may ultimately be made up of those individuals which Ra said were able to ascend early, but when STO almost always choose to stay behind and aid mankind. Even if Rare, in 75k years there should be a pretty significant number of adepts who reached that status.

(03-22-2021, 06:06 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: I was reading some Blavatsky today (thanks to Ming and Ohr for inspiring me to dive into her work) and this quote felt relevant to some discussions that have taken place here.

It’s been mentioned, or alluded to, on b4 that the world is “inherently STS.” I had trouble reconciling this with my own beliefs/philosophies, so I just left it behind, as it were.

Anyways I found this quote by Blavatsky that I feel gives more of a voice to where some may have been coming from when expressing their belief that the world is inherently STS. It helped me, so.... maybe it will for some you