battle of dark and light

[Rolci]

Just a couple of quick questions to whoever believes they have a good grasp of the idea of battle between the dark and the light. The Law of One, Book I, Session 25 states that only 4th D planetary entities fight this battle, and it is depolarizing, in the positive entities' lack of acceptance of that which is given. So my question is, if 5th D positives do not engage in this battle, why would 4D negative not attack 5D positive. Or if they did then what would happen? 5D would not engage, so it would be enslaved and lose usefulness? Why doesn't this happen? Or how is it avoided? And if the battle b/w 4D neg and pos cancel each other out and they have to regroup, why even bother? Why don't they just stop? Can't take that much wisdom to see it's all pointless.
The other thing is, the question is asked, "Am I correct in assuming that both the Confederation and the Orion group utilize only their fourth densities in this battle, and that the fifth and sixth densities of the Orion group do not engage in this?" The answer is that it is partially correct. "Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict." The only dif b/w the 2 statements was Ra's missing out 6D negatives. What's with that, and how is the questioner's assumption only partially correct?
Thanks for any thoughts.

[anagogy]

Just a couple of quick questions to whoever believes they have a good grasp of the idea of battle between the dark and the light. The Law of One, Book I, Session 25 states that only 4th D planetary entities fight this battle, and it is depolarizing, in the positive entities' lack of acceptance of that which is given. So my question is, if 5th D positives do not engage in this battle, why would 4D negative not attack 5D positive. Or if they did then what would happen? 5D would not engage, so it would be enslaved and lose usefulness? Why doesn't this happen? Or how is it avoided?

In the same way that you, in 3rd density, have no effective way of attacking or really interacting with 4th density, 4th density negative has no effective way to attack and enslave 5D positive. They simply do not yet have access to that vibrational level. So nothing would happen. 5D chooses whether a lower density has interaction with it or not.

And if the battle b/w 4D neg and pos cancel each other out and they have to regroup, why even bother? Why don't they just stop? Can't take that much wisdom to see it's all pointless.

True, but 4D negative must, in order to maintain their polarity/nature or level of contact with intelligent infinity, at least attempt to control, in exquisite propriety, all other selves they do not identify with. As I said, it is simply in their nature. They can't cease their nature anymore than someone in this world can when they can intellectually see how harmful a given behavior is, yet do it anyway, because the desire to do so is too great. You can only reign in desire (which is the momentum of consciousness) so much (it's a function of how conscious you are).

And so, they continue to attack 4D positive and 4D positive continues to defend themselves from this attack. And the result is mostly a stalemate.

The other thing is, the question is asked, "Am I correct in assuming that both the Confederation and the Orion group utilize only their fourth densities in this battle, and that the fifth and sixth densities of the Orion group do not engage in this?" The answer is that it is partially correct. "Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict." The only dif b/w the 2 statements was Ra's missing out 6D negatives. What's with that, and how is the questioner's assumption only partially correct?
Thanks for any thoughts.

That is a good question. I'm curious to see if anybody else has insight into this question. In sixth density, light/love must be matched by an exquisitely precise and equal amount of love/light. Being negatively polarized, and not having yet made the decision to leap into 6D positive, they may try to achieve this love/light by loving themselves to a nigh infinite degree. This could conceivably involve them attempting some kind of extreme subjugation of lower density beings. This is just speculation. It could just as well been an omission of transmission.

[Bat]

I remember reading that when a 5th density entity STS bids a 4th density STS, there is no battle as such, the 5th density STS entity is the clear winner. Likewise i am assuming it would be the same with attacking a 5th density STO entity, so it would be pointless.

[Hototo]

5th D STS against 4th D STS would be normal human equivelant of your expressions of love against your self competing with your desire of love for your self, which do you think will win?

[Bring4th_Austin]

The other thing is, the question is asked, "Am I correct in assuming that both the Confederation and the Orion group utilize only their fourth densities in this battle, and that the fifth and sixth densities of the Orion group do not engage in this?" The answer is that it is partially correct. "Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict." The only dif b/w the 2 statements was Ra's missing out 6D negatives. What's with that

It could have to do with the fact that "As the sixth density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into confusion." Who knows what sort of confusion and why...it may simply be impossible to do that sort of battle from the perspective of 6th density, realizing ultimate unity.

and how is the questioner's assumption only partially correct?
Thanks for any thoughts.

It might just be the way Don phrased the question. The relistened version:

Am I correct in assuming, then, that fourth density on both sides of the, of both the Orion and the Confederation sides are in this battle, and that the densities fifth and sixth on the Orion side do not engage in this? Is this correct?

Don neglected to mention the fifth and sixth densities of the Confederation side and so his stated assumption wasn't necessarily complete.

[Sagittarius]

Battle ? We already one.

[Sacred Fool]

Hi there, Rolci. Here are a few thoughts which might be useful in framing the context of your questions.

I don't think that these battles are fought with light sabres or such like, instead, I view them as offerings of different ways or ends to which beings might expend their energies.

Stepping back for a moment, all bits of Creation are sparks of Divinity, or the One Creator. Sparks are energy. How that energy is applied and to what end is what's up for grabs, so to speak. The more energy you influence, the more points you get, shall we say, or the bigger the energy payout.

A cogent example of this would be the 5D entity said to be haunting the L/L group during the Ra channeling period. It witnessed a huge envelope of positive energy as the group attempted to "download" 6D thought forms as cleanly as possible. It's role, then, was to offer opportunities for the group to be tempted to distort the material due to jealousy or pride or lack of confidence, etc. Had it been successful, it would have gained points from the resulting energetically charged distortion.

Most of us, however, do not have so much positive energy which can be diverted, but if one can get a number of people to aim their "sparkage" in, say, an organized campaign of hatred, then that energy expenditure adds charge (power) to their energetic being.

Returning to your questions, it's not so easy for a 4D being to hoodwink a 5D one, but it can happen, evidently. Like everything in life, there are plenty of ways to screw things up.

I expect the 5D+ entities don't join the battle en masse because it becomes clear, eventually, that there really are no points to be gained. One serves merely to serve.

There was a question in a subsequent post about why late 5D- entities are thrown into confusion at the end of that cycle. My guess is that, for all that's been won, there seems to be no way forward to gain more power by continuing to operate in the usual manner--like climbing so high on a mountain that you can no longer draw oxygen from the atmosphere in order to continue on. That would be very awkward, indeed.

[Rolci]

Thanks for the replies. Now I'm wondering why 5D- won't battle 4D+. Should make sense if some 5D- entities will personally greet even 3D entities like Carla. There must be SOME incentive to engaging in battle with a 4D+, surely it won't be able to defend itself much but will be ready to battle lacking the necessary wisdom to refrain. But then if it's an easy win then there's not much polarization right? But the reason to refraining from battle isn't the low amount of potential gain or high risk of depolarization, it's supposed to be... Not even sure now. What exactly is it? And if they refrain from battle because that's unwise, why is psychic greeting not unwise? Is that not the same? Small risk/small gain, large risk/large gain/depolarization/need for regrouping. What am I missing?

[Sacred Fool]

Hi, Rolci.

Just curious: why does this matter to you? Might this sort of information really be useful to you?

My response to your line of questioning is that what we're looking at is not junior champions and masters, etc., all playing the same game--such as chess--whereby they can or cannot attack each other in sensible fashion using this or that level of skill. On these different levels, the game, the rules, the objectives are intersecting planes. They have certain lines of force in common, but their different views of the board, the pieces, the players are notably contrasting. Therefore, guessing about all these relationships is to over simplify things so as to essentially nullify their utility. The spiritual lessons, well, that might be another story.........

In order to puzzle out what you're asking, you need to have much more insight into all these planes, how they intersect and so forth. In my opinion, the best way to learn about these things is to cultivate self knowledge. All else will follow from whatever success you enjoy in that endeavor.

Sorry to sound avuncular; it's the best I can do.

~p

[zenmaster]

Also reductionism has its opposite which is just as superficial an approach - compartmentalizing vs appealing to infinity/singularity. In all learning, the desire is for balance so it can be helpful to address the allegory motivating the question. Why wait until you sleep and dream.

[AnthroHeart]

5D- are loners. They no longer see virtue in other selves. They only seek what brings wisdom. I don't think they seek polarity any longer.

[xise]

Thanks for the replies. Now I'm wondering why 5D- won't battle 4D+. Should make sense if some 5D- entities will personally greet even 3D entities like Carla. There must be SOME incentive to engaging in battle with a 4D+, surely it won't be able to defend itself much but will be ready to battle lacking the necessary wisdom to refrain. But then if it's an easy win then there's not much polarization right? But the reason to refraining from battle isn't the low amount of potential gain or high risk of depolarization, it's supposed to be... Not even sure now. What exactly is it? And if they refrain from battle because that's unwise, why is psychic greeting not unwise? Is that not the same? Small risk/small gain, large risk/large gain/depolarization/need for regrouping. What am I missing?

I don't have an clear cut answer, but here are my thoughts: Manipulation and battle are different tools of power. It's more a spectrum between outright physical force on one side (closer to battle) and subtle manipulation of costs and rewards on the other side (closer to pure manipulation). Both can lead to enslavement. But in my limited experience, there seems to be a tendency for more sophisticated service to self philosophy to rely less on brute force and more on manipulation. It also seems, looking at the world around me, that manipulation is in fact more effective means of control as opposed to battle.

In the density of wisdom, 5D-, perhaps this is what is learned, the superior of subtler forms of manipulation and control over brute force.

While certainty a psychic greeting is a more force oriented approach, it is not battle. But as Ra mentioned, it is rare for a 5D- to be involved in such a greeting here on 3D and it is usually 4D- that involves itself in that manner. Furthermore, recall that the 5D- also played upon preexisting distortions of the groups most of the time (it may have used preexisting distortions all of the time, I don't recall).

Thus my guess would be that battle is a gross, minimally effective means of control. Manipulation and even willing enslavement are much more effective.