Is this the dream or is this reality!
08-24-2013, 04:11 PM,
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RE: Is this the dream or is this reality!
I would say then that both of your suggestions seem plausible rather than one or the other. Both what is available and the approach changes based on future approaches it seems.
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08-24-2013, 04:16 PM,
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(08-24-2013, 04:11 PM)Tanner Wrote:  Both what is available and the approach changes based on future approaches it seems.
How does it seem that way? That is, given your vibration analogy for example.
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08-24-2013, 04:53 PM,
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Well, if I was to continue my musical strings analogy with each string constituting a mind-stream of the self through time I would then suggest that the "unconscious self" is the collectivity of vibration or melodies spanning across the entirely of the "instrument" or being totality. The collective of the individual unconscious minds which constitute our many selves through time. The conscious mind is thus the "receptive presence" of each individual string itself. It is the string's oneness with its own beingness.

The unconscious mind of each also extends to the "deep mind" which is what I would've call the "collective unconscious", so the collectivity of all being totalities. I see it that each individual unconscious mind is "enriched" or organized based on how each unconscious mind is drawing from the collective unconscious or deep mind. This happens based on the tuning or directivity of the conscious mind through the activity of choice or, before third density, innate reaction to catalyst or experience. This choice happens based on what you have called approach, and is what I would say is the contacting of the individual unconscious, in order to draw from the collective unconscious.

Coming back to my strings analogy, the individuated being totality is comprised of many mind-streams and each one is, through its activities in consciousness, drawing from the unconscious what has been drawn in from the deep mind.

So, I see it that each unconscious mind is "informed" collectively as the "unconscious self". The "unconscious self" is informed by the deep mind and the whole activity of "informing" is based on the activity of the conscious mind acting as the "point of focus" for the instreaming intelligent energy.

Now, in the context of my analogy then I mean to refer to the idea that our "unconscious self" is evolving and changing and that this change is in accordance with the collective patterns of harmony of all the strings or selves which comprise that complex totality.

Thus, also, using the idea of entrainment, it can be seen then that a change in vibration of any one string is "felt" by all the other strings because it is registered as a change in the being totality. Thus, every other string also changes in vibration out of natural equalization to accomodate the new state.

Bringing this to the context of "future" and "past" choices, as I said, time is a circle and the choices of each are occuring simultaneously.

Thus, the selves of the future, as they experience and make their choices, are changing the conditions of the unconscious self just as we do with our choices and so it is for the choices of our past selves. All of these things change what is available to each individual conscious mind as it reaches in to its individual unconscious to reach the collective for two reasons.

One, as each string or self makes changes in its conscious mind, it is adjusting its approach which changes what is available in the unconscious. This is what I meant by I am not sure the difference between approach and availability as I see availability to be dependent upon what one is seeking to make available.

Two, as the conditions of experience of each self changes constantly from moment to moment or within the one evolving moment, thoughts and emotions change. This is what I think of the vibration itself that moves from string to string or along a string within itself.

I see "becoming conscious of the self" as the increasing realization of the presence of the other strings of self. The more you become aware, the more that the vibration of each other string may be received by your own choice. However, I also see it then that one will be affected by the harmony existing between each individual string or self.

I, therefore, see a "crystallized being" or completely self-aware entity as one which has not only become aware of all the other strings, but also realizes that every self of the self is the self, and has therefore done the work to bring all aspects of the self in to harmonious awareness with the oneness of the being totality. Thus, "past", "present" and "future" selves cease to be separated in awareness and instead are aware together.

This is actually also in reference to an actual experience, whereby my girlfriend went in to a state where she was simultaneously perceiving herself as 5 different selves in different periods of time, all present as the same self.

I, personally, feel a distinct awareness of myself as working through other bodies in other times in parallel with my own and it appears we all are working together towards one realization of self. Some of my selves are not yet even near the awareness of our being totality, others I can access directly. A small few I am able to "switch" to.

There does seem to be a differentiation between conscious minds of the self, though, as each personality of each self is capable of its own conscious activity and I cannot per se take over or direct their bodies, and I would not wish to. Although I have considered the idea of negative entities attempting to enslave their own parallel selves in order to spread the power of their individuated, conscious mind.

I suppose I should thus adjust what I said, as it is not only based on future approaches, but the approaches of all selves throughout time.

Tl; dr - A stringed instrument only has those melodies available to it through its tuning. Each string is tuned in order to be part of a collective tuning and the melodies available to each string depend not only on its own tuning, but the tuning of the other strings alongside it.

Tuning is the approach. The melodies available are, well, availability.

Also, I just got intense deja vu rereading my post. I think I wrote this in a dream already.

I also got the image in my mind of an ocean, which is then drawn inland as rivers, which is then divided in to streams until it is simply soaked in to the earth as tiny, tiny streams.

The ocean is the collective unconscious. The rivers are the unconscious selves, or being totalities. Each stream is an individuated unconscious mind, and everything that draws water, be it a mineral, creature or the gravity of the Earth itself is the conscious self.

Water is drawn by many things, but the pathways from which the water come are constantly changing.
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08-24-2013, 10:39 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-24-2013, 10:48 PM by Patty Cake.)
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(08-24-2013, 01:05 PM)rie Wrote:  Exploring past life thru regression and whatnot could feel safer for some bc there's some distance between 'then' and 'now'. Could be a way to represent shadow, safely, as another person (i.e., 'not me'). Kind of like watching something play out on a TV screen rather than an event happening right in front of you. My friends who tend to attribute problems to past lives tend to shun responsibility of their choices in their current lives so it can be a distraction. It's like they think past lives determine the condition in the present moment (e.g., like fate or pre-determination) and leave it as, 'well this is how things are' without attempting to use that catalyst for further growth.

Psychics and whatnot have told me of my past lives but they are only relevant to that point in time for some reason... it's been a good way of explaining my choices and actions in present moment and perhaps highlight some major themes of distortions or lessons that is being learned now. I guess it may be the case that whatever we did or who we were in the past doesn't matter, but how that affects how we view ourselves in the NOW matters. So exploring past may be relavent to present as a way to bring out what is yet hidden or on the edge of our consciousness in the present moment.

Good luck Patty Cake! I think 'who am I', and 'what am I here for' are two questions that could be asked throughout one's life, regardless of age or level of maturity/development. The fact that you realized that your current life no longer fits and that you are searching for something that is more in alignment of 'who you are' is remarkable. That type of shift (that involves ambiguity about future) can be anxiety provoking for some and thus ignored... you are a courageous being! Trust in the process!

Thank you for your kind words and will take this advice.

(08-24-2013, 01:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:  I tried a psychic once and she was completely off. So it's hard to trust them. If they are telling a past life, it's hard to know if that's real or not. When I get my own glimpses, I think it's more accurate.

To your point, I totally agree: Trust in yourself!

In my curious state, I kept asking myself why am I doing this and why am I so curious to find answers that I didn't know to ask, but felt I needed to learn and then answer. Extremely convoluted situation but getting more clarity.

As I began eating organic plant-based diet, I started feeling my body vibrating and although I was not scared, I'm only more curious as to what else may happen.

(08-24-2013, 02:57 PM)michael430 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 02:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 02:07 PM)michael430 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 01:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  
rie Wrote:  I wonder how those lives would be affected due to choices made in this life?
How do you entertain the idea of future choices affecting past choices? I don't see how your choice now affects past-life choices or even a choice made 1 second ago other than possibly changing how you interpret the choice now.
Choices are affected by opportunity and in turn opportunity affects choice making. But the affects of choices are not retroactive.

I read rie's post as - "if our concept of 'time' is incorrect" . Current choices now have a large affect on our futures as individuals. So if we have time backwards, I suppose it's easy to guess the opposite.
But how is time being backwards workable for causality? You can't just say it is.

Myself I'm not into physics and time travel and causality.

But let's say killing someone causes you to go to jail in this life. If "time" isn't as linear as it seems here on earth, what's to say that going to jail now won't cause a "past" or "future" You to make further negative choices based on your disgruntled jail life?

Doesn't free-will allow us to make choices on whether we do something positive or negative?
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08-25-2013, 01:53 AM,
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(08-24-2013, 10:39 PM)Patty Cake Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 01:05 PM)rie Wrote:  Exploring past life thru regression and whatnot could feel safer for some bc there's some distance between 'then' and 'now'. Could be a way to represent shadow, safely, as another person (i.e., 'not me'). Kind of like watching something play out on a TV screen rather than an event happening right in front of you. My friends who tend to attribute problems to past lives tend to shun responsibility of their choices in their current lives so it can be a distraction. It's like they think past lives determine the condition in the present moment (e.g., like fate or pre-determination) and leave it as, 'well this is how things are' without attempting to use that catalyst for further growth.

Psychics and whatnot have told me of my past lives but they are only relevant to that point in time for some reason... it's been a good way of explaining my choices and actions in present moment and perhaps highlight some major themes of distortions or lessons that is being learned now. I guess it may be the case that whatever we did or who we were in the past doesn't matter, but how that affects how we view ourselves in the NOW matters. So exploring past may be relavent to present as a way to bring out what is yet hidden or on the edge of our consciousness in the present moment.

Good luck Patty Cake! I think 'who am I', and 'what am I here for' are two questions that could be asked throughout one's life, regardless of age or level of maturity/development. The fact that you realized that your current life no longer fits and that you are searching for something that is more in alignment of 'who you are' is remarkable. That type of shift (that involves ambiguity about future) can be anxiety provoking for some and thus ignored... you are a courageous being! Trust in the process!

Thank you for your kind words and will take this advice.

(08-24-2013, 01:10 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:  I tried a psychic once and she was completely off. So it's hard to trust them. If they are telling a past life, it's hard to know if that's real or not. When I get my own glimpses, I think it's more accurate.

To your point, I totally agree: Trust in yourself!

In my curious state, I kept asking myself why am I doing this and why am I so curious to find answers that I didn't know to ask, but felt I needed to learn and then answer. Extremely convoluted situation but getting more clarity.

As I began eating organic plant-based diet, I started feeling my body vibrating and although I was not scared, I'm only more curious as to what else may happen.

(08-24-2013, 02:57 PM)michael430 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 02:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 02:07 PM)michael430 Wrote:  
(08-24-2013, 01:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote:  How do you entertain the idea of future choices affecting past choices? I don't see how your choice now affects past-life choices or even a choice made 1 second ago other than possibly changing how you interpret the choice now.
Choices are affected by opportunity and in turn opportunity affects choice making. But the affects of choices are not retroactive.

I read rie's post as - "if our concept of 'time' is incorrect" . Current choices now have a large affect on our futures as individuals. So if we have time backwards, I suppose it's easy to guess the opposite.
But how is time being backwards workable for causality? You can't just say it is.

Myself I'm not into physics and time travel and causality.

But let's say killing someone causes you to go to jail in this life. If "time" isn't as linear as it seems here on earth, what's to say that going to jail now won't cause a "past" or "future" You to make further negative choices based on your disgruntled jail life?

Doesn't free-will allow us to make choices on whether we do something positive or negative?
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08-25-2013, 05:32 AM,
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(08-23-2013, 10:47 PM)Patty Cake Wrote:  Greetings to all,

I have a rather long story to tell, but rather skip most of my life to say that around October of 2012, I came to realize that I needed to change the path I had chosen in my physical life. I started a very small security guard business 12 years earlier and developed this company from 4 man operation to over 1000 employees with revenues over $20million per annum. On one of the many business trips, I happened to be recommending "Many Lives, Many Masters" from Brian Weiss to a friend of mine and I had a revelation that maybe I should re-read the book. In the 3 days of that business trip, I had completed the book and felt inspired to find out whether I too was capable of being hypnotized.

I searched and found a psychiatrist, who studied under Weiss and convinced my wife to come with me. She went under and told the psychiatrist many things about her previous incarnations, but when it was my turn I could not go under hypnosis. I went twice, but nothing ever happened. I then went to an astrologer mentioned in Weiss' book, Iris Saltzman and when we met, she claimed that she's never seen an astrological chart like mine, because of the fact that I was a Gemini with Virgo rising and other important "houses". She read me completely, but she claimed that I may be an alien being or may be communicating with an alien being or ET. She also forecasted that I would become a healer of people and would teach people and I would speak prophesies.

When I was a child I fondly remember my dreams of flying over cities throughout the world and dropping out of the skies to glide through the clouds, but always chalked it up to comic-book fantasies and an over-active imagination. Ever since I became a young adult I could never recall any subconscious dreams I had the night before and in many instances I could not recall any conscious dreams as well.

I told a few friends of my quest for more information and they sent me around to various mediums and psychics that practice many of the old traditional "reading" methodologies (tarot, shells, etc.). Everything they were telling me not only happened but realized that I could control the outcome through free-will but I never challenged it.

I sold my company (this was a prophecy) and left my career to go on a quest to not only gain more knowledge and understand the meaning and purpose of my life, but learn how we all came to be. I fell upon a blog discussing the Law of One and was fascinated with the concept that Atlantis existed and was destroyed by the Sons of Belial (what I believe to be happening once again to our race).

I have commenced cleansing my life of the impurities that have affected and are potentially blocking my ability to meditate, be hypnotized and to remember any dreams, by eating well and respecting all living things. I will be visiting an ashram for a retreat to find Self, and after that I will be traveling to Sedona with a shaman to embark on a Vision Quest so that hopefully, I can unblock the path and connect my mind, body and spirit.

Don't know why I'm telling you all this, but felt I needed to open up on a forum of like-minded people. Any advice or recommendations I can draw out from you all would be greatly appreciated and will be welcomed.

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