06-17-2012, 06:41 AM
This is a post made in another thread that has been opened anew here for the sake of avoiding the hijacking of that thread.
This became a discussion on Identity and Conciousness where I had posted this :
It is crucial to try to sort out our identities and understand that consciousness is not identity. We should not be thinking of our consciousness and our evolving aspect as a being or entity. It is the One Consciousness from which the All proceeds. Each consciousness spawned is simply the Divine process expanding into Infinity. The impression of identity, whether human or some higher or lower form, is nothing more than familiarity.
Tarzan thought he was an ape. Newborn creatures will attach themselves to the image that nurtures them and associate themselves with that image. This is how the consciousness manages its physical experience. but this is NOT the identity of the consciousness just as the ape is not the true identity of Tarzan, just as Godwide is not the true identity of the consciousness that uses him. Identity is awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. Consciousness is the One evolving as it experiences its Identity in many forms and thoughts.
If any one of those forms or thoughts should attempt to comprehend itself as a separate entity it would be in ignorance of its reality. When the One Consciousness expanded upon the Divine Process of Being, creating other aspects of its consciousness, each of those lives a unique experience and brings to the One its own offerings. This is evolution of the One. As the One expands, as those fields return with their experience, to share memory and information gained, each field continues to remain the One expanding Consciousness with its own memory and experience. Consciousness is not a matter of separate entities and beings. It is a matter of many thoughts and forms being expressed by One.
From the One Circle, many more resonate, and interact as they share creation, creating further creation. This is depicted in the Sacred Eye and the Flower of Life. Creation occurs where two circles mate and share experience and memory. This is the Divine Design and Process.
If we can comprehend this, we can then appreciate the coming together of two or more of those forms and thoughts regardless of the vehicles they use to experience existence. It is not the vehicles but the fields of consciousness that are mating and sharing.
This is what is taking place here in this forum, just as it is what is taking place in all places throughout the universe in countless other expressions and experiences. The only reason it is ever experienced as an individual act is because of this association with the vehicle that is being used to accommodate the interaction.
Someone had asked about the archangels. This is because they think in terms of physical interaction. The archangels are the first of the fragments to evolve from the One. the First of the expanding fields. the First Thoughts.
Someone else asked about relationships. This again is thinking in terms of physical interaction, whereas the mating of two fields is much different than the mating of two human bodies.
If we can try to comprehend the depth and reality of what we truly are, with regard to the One Consciousness from which we spawn, we can then appreciate more fully that which Godwide, and others here are able to accomplish when they allow their true consciousness, their field, to become the interactive aspect instead of their illusory identity. This is the true design of the creation and the Being of the process.
To Be that which we truly are, fields of consciousness expanding from the One to share and interact with each other for the purpose of building and developing the All. To Be part of the Process instead of a delusion within it.
Now we can truly mate and create the Sacred Eye where fields create that which is to come, free from individuality, and yet the result of individuality. The seed of the Flower of Life. The spine of the Tree of Life.
I want to make clear that I am not preaching any particular religious belief or recruiting anyone into any following. I am speaking my own understandings and hope that such can enable others to benefit as a result. In so doing I enhance my own experience and the creation of which I am a part.
Azrael then responded with this thought:
Speaking in terms of identity then, I might ask at what point might identity "cease"? At that point, how can one exist if they have no association within the universe? When one becomes "One", I presume they simply just they then simply exist and no longer have any form of intelligent life? Or do you just run on "autopilot" as you become one with nature?
You've said here identity is the awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. In the next sentence you said the One Consciousness is experiencing its Identity to evolve. Well if identity is "false", then why would it be useful to the One Consciousness to evolve? If the One Consciousness has Identity, is all of its identity immersed in physicality? Without identity how could the different parts of the One Consciousness ever interact or have any sense or degree of association?
I mean, we speak of these things, and yet you still associate with your hands that type the keys, with the thoughts that are constructing your reality, with your own field of consciousness. If you are these things, do they thus have absolutely no identifier or characteristics that tell the rest of the universe that "this field is Shin'Ar/Godwide/Etc"? In that sense, I would contend there are perhaps different ideas of identity between physical identity and "identity as frequency" as I have seen it put.
And 111 asked this question:
Identity: "And when you, who does wander this creation, when you hear your name called, the name that only you know at the very core of your truth/Being, heavens door will open wide and you will know thyself again..."
I remember an "Identity" as ancient as this creation...
, please elaborate on the "Name" that only we (as induvidual aspects of creator coinsiousness) can know... If you have heard of the concept, or if you have any resonantion
below will be the place for continuing this if anyone so desires.
Azreal said :
Speaking in terms of identity then, I might ask at what point might identity "cease"? At that point, how can one exist if they have no association within the universe? When one becomes "One", I presume they simply just they then simply exist and no longer have any form of intelligent life? Or do you just run on "autopilot" as you become one with nature?
You've said here identity is the awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. In the next sentence you said the One Consciousness is experiencing its Identity to evolve. Well if identity is "false", then why would it be useful to the One Consciousness to evolve? If the One Consciousness has Identity, is all of its identity immersed in physicality? Without identity how could the different parts of the One Consciousness ever interact or have any sense or degree of association?
I mean, we speak of these things, and yet you still associate with your hands that type the keys, with the thoughts that are constructing your reality, with your own field of consciousness. If you are these things, do they thus have absolutely no identifier or characteristics that tell the rest of the universe that "this field is Shin'Ar/Godwide/Etc"? In that sense, I would contend there are perhaps different ideas of identity between physical identity and "identity as frequency" as I have seen it put." UNQUOTE
Identity is not false. The One Consciousness has Identity.
Assuming false identity is false. Which is what the form does when it associates its existence with one form only, and adopts that temporary aspect of one tiny fragment of the All as though it is somehow a separate entity from the One, and some other identity.
The Identity of the One never ceases to be the One Consciousness regardless of how many thoughts it has or how many experiences it has. All is One Identity.
These many experiences of the One interact as fields of consciousness and that is the Design of the All. These fields vibrate throughout the universe literally creating the universe through their vibrations and interactions. And these experience existence in many aspects, far more than physical alone. Does a rock give itself a name? Is it not as much a field of consciousness as any other? Is awareness what gives you the identity you adopt, or is it the fact that you have simply adopted the identity you gained from the familiarity with those who raised you?
In some cases we discover we are adopted and may want to change our identities to accommodate new information. Does that mean that the previous identity never really existed or is it simply your choices and thought processes that create this identity?
To respond to your question about association I say that the field that we are, as you put it, is not the only identity we have ever assumed. We have lived many past identities. Evolving is living all of these experiences, and not assuming that we are any one of them in particular.
Will you be Azreal in the next incarnation? How will you be able to interact and associate with other fields if you will not be this Azrael that you think you are so attached to?
I think there is nothing wrong with one placing identifiers on vibrations, I am simply stating that one's choice to do so is simply self gratifying and does not alter the fact that the identity which one chooses to place on a form does not mean that the form has somehow suddenly become a thing of separate identity from the One Consciousness.
All is One. Despite the efforts of fragmented consciousness to be individual.
And this leads us to our true name of which 11 asked about; I AM.
If every single form has its own identity how then can they all declare "I AM"?
In this form I call myself Shin'Ar, only to be able to experience and interact with other vibrations on an individual basis, but my true form and identity is the One Consciousness.
This became a discussion on Identity and Conciousness where I had posted this :
It is crucial to try to sort out our identities and understand that consciousness is not identity. We should not be thinking of our consciousness and our evolving aspect as a being or entity. It is the One Consciousness from which the All proceeds. Each consciousness spawned is simply the Divine process expanding into Infinity. The impression of identity, whether human or some higher or lower form, is nothing more than familiarity.
Tarzan thought he was an ape. Newborn creatures will attach themselves to the image that nurtures them and associate themselves with that image. This is how the consciousness manages its physical experience. but this is NOT the identity of the consciousness just as the ape is not the true identity of Tarzan, just as Godwide is not the true identity of the consciousness that uses him. Identity is awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. Consciousness is the One evolving as it experiences its Identity in many forms and thoughts.
If any one of those forms or thoughts should attempt to comprehend itself as a separate entity it would be in ignorance of its reality. When the One Consciousness expanded upon the Divine Process of Being, creating other aspects of its consciousness, each of those lives a unique experience and brings to the One its own offerings. This is evolution of the One. As the One expands, as those fields return with their experience, to share memory and information gained, each field continues to remain the One expanding Consciousness with its own memory and experience. Consciousness is not a matter of separate entities and beings. It is a matter of many thoughts and forms being expressed by One.
From the One Circle, many more resonate, and interact as they share creation, creating further creation. This is depicted in the Sacred Eye and the Flower of Life. Creation occurs where two circles mate and share experience and memory. This is the Divine Design and Process.
If we can comprehend this, we can then appreciate the coming together of two or more of those forms and thoughts regardless of the vehicles they use to experience existence. It is not the vehicles but the fields of consciousness that are mating and sharing.
This is what is taking place here in this forum, just as it is what is taking place in all places throughout the universe in countless other expressions and experiences. The only reason it is ever experienced as an individual act is because of this association with the vehicle that is being used to accommodate the interaction.
Someone had asked about the archangels. This is because they think in terms of physical interaction. The archangels are the first of the fragments to evolve from the One. the First of the expanding fields. the First Thoughts.
Someone else asked about relationships. This again is thinking in terms of physical interaction, whereas the mating of two fields is much different than the mating of two human bodies.
If we can try to comprehend the depth and reality of what we truly are, with regard to the One Consciousness from which we spawn, we can then appreciate more fully that which Godwide, and others here are able to accomplish when they allow their true consciousness, their field, to become the interactive aspect instead of their illusory identity. This is the true design of the creation and the Being of the process.
To Be that which we truly are, fields of consciousness expanding from the One to share and interact with each other for the purpose of building and developing the All. To Be part of the Process instead of a delusion within it.
Now we can truly mate and create the Sacred Eye where fields create that which is to come, free from individuality, and yet the result of individuality. The seed of the Flower of Life. The spine of the Tree of Life.
I want to make clear that I am not preaching any particular religious belief or recruiting anyone into any following. I am speaking my own understandings and hope that such can enable others to benefit as a result. In so doing I enhance my own experience and the creation of which I am a part.
Azrael then responded with this thought:
Speaking in terms of identity then, I might ask at what point might identity "cease"? At that point, how can one exist if they have no association within the universe? When one becomes "One", I presume they simply just they then simply exist and no longer have any form of intelligent life? Or do you just run on "autopilot" as you become one with nature?
You've said here identity is the awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. In the next sentence you said the One Consciousness is experiencing its Identity to evolve. Well if identity is "false", then why would it be useful to the One Consciousness to evolve? If the One Consciousness has Identity, is all of its identity immersed in physicality? Without identity how could the different parts of the One Consciousness ever interact or have any sense or degree of association?
I mean, we speak of these things, and yet you still associate with your hands that type the keys, with the thoughts that are constructing your reality, with your own field of consciousness. If you are these things, do they thus have absolutely no identifier or characteristics that tell the rest of the universe that "this field is Shin'Ar/Godwide/Etc"? In that sense, I would contend there are perhaps different ideas of identity between physical identity and "identity as frequency" as I have seen it put.
And 111 asked this question:
Identity: "And when you, who does wander this creation, when you hear your name called, the name that only you know at the very core of your truth/Being, heavens door will open wide and you will know thyself again..."
I remember an "Identity" as ancient as this creation...
, please elaborate on the "Name" that only we (as induvidual aspects of creator coinsiousness) can know... If you have heard of the concept, or if you have any resonantion
below will be the place for continuing this if anyone so desires.
Azreal said :
Speaking in terms of identity then, I might ask at what point might identity "cease"? At that point, how can one exist if they have no association within the universe? When one becomes "One", I presume they simply just they then simply exist and no longer have any form of intelligent life? Or do you just run on "autopilot" as you become one with nature?
You've said here identity is the awareness of physical context and association with that physicality. In the next sentence you said the One Consciousness is experiencing its Identity to evolve. Well if identity is "false", then why would it be useful to the One Consciousness to evolve? If the One Consciousness has Identity, is all of its identity immersed in physicality? Without identity how could the different parts of the One Consciousness ever interact or have any sense or degree of association?
I mean, we speak of these things, and yet you still associate with your hands that type the keys, with the thoughts that are constructing your reality, with your own field of consciousness. If you are these things, do they thus have absolutely no identifier or characteristics that tell the rest of the universe that "this field is Shin'Ar/Godwide/Etc"? In that sense, I would contend there are perhaps different ideas of identity between physical identity and "identity as frequency" as I have seen it put." UNQUOTE
Identity is not false. The One Consciousness has Identity.
Assuming false identity is false. Which is what the form does when it associates its existence with one form only, and adopts that temporary aspect of one tiny fragment of the All as though it is somehow a separate entity from the One, and some other identity.
The Identity of the One never ceases to be the One Consciousness regardless of how many thoughts it has or how many experiences it has. All is One Identity.
These many experiences of the One interact as fields of consciousness and that is the Design of the All. These fields vibrate throughout the universe literally creating the universe through their vibrations and interactions. And these experience existence in many aspects, far more than physical alone. Does a rock give itself a name? Is it not as much a field of consciousness as any other? Is awareness what gives you the identity you adopt, or is it the fact that you have simply adopted the identity you gained from the familiarity with those who raised you?
In some cases we discover we are adopted and may want to change our identities to accommodate new information. Does that mean that the previous identity never really existed or is it simply your choices and thought processes that create this identity?
To respond to your question about association I say that the field that we are, as you put it, is not the only identity we have ever assumed. We have lived many past identities. Evolving is living all of these experiences, and not assuming that we are any one of them in particular.
Will you be Azreal in the next incarnation? How will you be able to interact and associate with other fields if you will not be this Azrael that you think you are so attached to?
I think there is nothing wrong with one placing identifiers on vibrations, I am simply stating that one's choice to do so is simply self gratifying and does not alter the fact that the identity which one chooses to place on a form does not mean that the form has somehow suddenly become a thing of separate identity from the One Consciousness.
All is One. Despite the efforts of fragmented consciousness to be individual.
And this leads us to our true name of which 11 asked about; I AM.
If every single form has its own identity how then can they all declare "I AM"?
In this form I call myself Shin'Ar, only to be able to experience and interact with other vibrations on an individual basis, but my true form and identity is the One Consciousness.