The point to life in this here 3d realm.

[Conifer16]

I haven't been around much lately and haven't made a thread in a while. This is directed specifically at the restlessness on this forum and all the un needed tension. Why do you feel the need to create so much drama? If your answer is that you don't then why do you do it? Now on to my main point. The point Of being here as seen from our current 3d view.

We can NOT truly know anything in these here lives we have Ra says as much. So the point isn't to learn all there is to know.(Ra does mention that we should still seek though so trying to learn everything has its point but it isn't the "main" point) nor is it to parrot your views onto others and make them see as you do. It is,the main point, to love and live with joy. Doing so will spread love and help others fullfilling your contested view of Sto sts all at once by being both to yourself in one act. And living your life with the highest joy and love creates a surrendering of yourself to the creator and this creates the least form of opposition towards the creator causing your lives to be perfect. And to give you everything you need :-) the creator loves you and will do everything to help you succeed. Only problem that usually happens is that we create opposition and obstacles that make it harder. Some examples is in fighting in groups that are supposed to be meant for light and free exspression because Some people want to be right or superior and forget to live through love and joy And not caring about perceived slights or the need to be right. In my life this has been so very evident. 

I used to be very socially inept. I was afraid of others and their opinions. I couldn't talk to girls and guys intimidated me. I never left my house and became very lonely. At some point i found in my Internet wandering TLOO and discovered a part of me I had never listened to. I very quickly joined up to this here forum so that I could talk about it, and for a while It worked. But then I noticed a darkening of the childlike energies and I sat back to observe. I was right. Very soon this forum was a place for dissecting each others posts and flinging veiled accusations. I watched as the forum as it was in terms of participatory members split into three. Monkeys side Monica's side and neutral. It made me sad because it was unnecessary. Around this time I started truly living my life through love and joy and very quickly noticed a profound change. Before this my social evolution was slowly opening up and I was kinda making friends. But after I did this my reality completely shifted. I started making friends at my school all over the place. And all the pieces I would need for life to be good fell into place. Next year I will be 18 and my family is moving but I want to stay here. So I will be on my own right after being an adult. With very little preparation time. I have however already been offered housing by strangers that I trust who heard of my plight and I have so many friends that I have an incredible safety net. And my families situation has stabilized. Right now I am the happiest I have ever been. As Bashar said "your beliefs are self sustaining" well my belief in love and joy as primary drivers of my life has created a reality in which everything expresses that. So when seeing the forum in its dire straits now, well it makes me wary of entering the waters once more. Almost afraid on one hand of being torn to shreds by the people that care passionately about arguing and being right. And about being adults. :-P(the point here is kinda to be like children, isn't that what Jesus said :-) <3) and on the other hand I don't care. Throw all your "I'm right statements at me" and your pointed questions aimed at slipping me up or invalidating my theory" why should I care? My post has meandered all over the place. Sorry. The point I am trying to get at is why care? Why do "you" care that this person has a different view. Or that this person said yours was wrong and theirs was right? And remember that each person is a person on the other need of that post. You can't tell what they were trying to get at when typing it unless you were there at the time.  All you can do is try to comprehend it and not read insult into it. But most of all look at everything here on this forum through love and joy. :-) we are all humans here. I love you all so much <3<3 :-) you are perfect and amazing. I feel such a connection it is amazing. And I don't like your dissonance. :-( so please act like Jesus said and be child like :-) full of wonder and joy and adventure. Because that's all this life is. One Grand Adventure :-) Adonai Vasu Borragus namaste 
Peace and giggles
-Conifer17- 

P.s 
Maybe asking me specific questions as to what I mean might help me formulate my ideas concretely. That all above was pure thought process so it might and probably did go all over the place and might not make sense. So ask me specifically what didn't and I might be able to clarify what I meant. 

[norral]

great post conifer. the point is to live with love. that overrides "being right" about anything imho. thanks for the reminder brother. im on the side of love. if something inspires us to be more loving that is a good thing. just my take on things

norral

[Conifer16]

You're welcome :-)

Peace and giggling namaste <3 :-)
-Conifer17-

[Oceania]

Connie thanks. i needed to hear that. *blush*

i love you

[norral]

yes we love u connie and we love you oceania and we love u world and we love u board and we love love love love love

[Oldern]

So you do not want people to tell each other what the point is here, then proceed to tell us what the point is?
That is the power of paradox right there. Energy exchange is part of this existence, be it any way, shape or form. Just relax : )

[Shemaya]

Great post Conifer! So glad that things opened up for you, and you are feeling your essence of joy and love....keep bringing it to 3D. You are raising the vibe for everyone by doing so

Peace and love

[Shin'Ar]

Yes, a wonderful post Conifer.

Might I ask you a question?

Why would we NOT want to show others how to find the path of Light? Can you honestly tell your self that you would be happy if the entire world was living in hate while you never spoke a word about love or said anything about how to walk a different path? Just your post here is preaching love to the world. Should we tell you that you should not speak about it?

Yes, we should all enjoy love and make it the forefront of our experience. But why keep that joy to ourselves when we can share it with our fellow man? Do you not know that there are many out there who are lost on the dark path and do not know how to find their way off of it?

Just because some choose to walk the path of darknes deliberately does not mean that everyone on that path is there because they know better. This is the basics of evolving in my opinion. One evolves as they grow out of the darkness, and to be a guide and assist others who want to find the Light is the greatest love that a man can give to another.

Your observation of the struggle that takes place between those that lead others into darkness and those that lead others to the Light is valid. It is a very real struggle and it will manifest itself in places like this where these discussions are had. But to deny the opportunity for the sake of comfort is to deny all of those seekers who need our loving guidance and assitance. We do not ALL have the answers and understandings to make us steadfast on our paths. Some of us seek guidance and if it is never there, than where would they find it?

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So you do not want people to tell each other what the point is here, then proceed to tell us what the point is?
That is the power of paradox right there. Energy exchange is part of this existence, be it any way, shape or form. Just relax : )

So, let me get this straight Oldern, you are saying do not tell others what you think, BUT nergy exchange is part of this existence in any form.

Is this not a paradox?Or at least a contradiction?

[W1981]

You can only move closer to what you like once you have experienced what you don't like. The bitching on the forums does serve its very own purpose in accomplishing just that I think. It's kinda sad sometimes but fun at other times.

I find polarity to be largely irrelevant in our waking state. If you feel you are STO your daily life rearranges itself to amplify that, at least it does for me. Strangers will randomly smile at me and I will do the same for them. Is it service to self that I like it when people smile at me? Don't I have the same effect on them i.e. "a complete stranger just smiled at me, how nice is that?"? Anyways that's my take on the bitching that's been goign on.

I'm glad your life is turning around. You will find that things happen faster and faster. There may be times that you feel there is a turn for the worse but these periods will start becoming shorter in duration and less frequent. I think this has to do with raising your vibrational frequency, at least I find this is the way it works for me. The more joyful you become the less trouble comes your way and when you start becoming aware of the possible lessons those troubles try to teach you, the faster the troubles dissolve. In fact I like to call them obstacles or bumps, they are there to make you run better and get fitter.

On another note: It's been sunny in the Netherlands for three days in a row...the sun god is not deaf after all :-)

[Shin'Ar]

You can only move closer to what you like once you have experienced what you don't like.

Strangers will randomly smile at me and I will do the same for them. Is it service to self that I like it when people smile at me?

The more joyful you become the less trouble comes your way and when you start becoming aware of the possible lessons those troubles try to teach you, the faster the troubles dissolve. In fact I like to call them obstacles or bumps, they are there to make you run better and get fitter.

Does a person have to express hatred toward another to realize that they do not like it? That is NOT how I see it. In my understanding most people would not like to have hatred expressed toward them and gladly accept love.

Enjoying a person's returned smile is certainly NOT STS. That is simply the manifestation of STO.

I agree with your last statement about learning lessons and being able to move into a better state of emotion via those lessons.

[Oldern]

So, let me get this straight Oldern, you are saying do not tell others what you think, BUT energy exchange is part of this existence in any form.

Is this not a paradox?Or at least a contradiction?

I am saying it is inevitable to tell others what you think even if you choose to tell it in a form that is prohibitive (i.e. do not do this, do not that). The paradox is that until one realizes from the inside that there is no need for argument, well, until that point, everything pointing towards that direction is nothing but a catalyst, an exchange. You cant really change anything that does not want to change from within.

[Shin'Ar]

I would say that when one realizes from the inside that there is a need to assist others who do want assistance, it should be love for those people that makes you want to offer your guidance to them.

[Conifer16]

Yes, a wonderful post Conifer.

Might I ask you a question?

Why would we NOT want to show others how to find the path of Light? Can you honestly tell your self that you would be happy if the entire world was living in hate while you never spoke a word about love or said anything about how to walk a different path? Just your post here is preaching love to the world. Should we tell you that you should not speak about it?

Yes, we should all enjoy love and make it the forefront of our experience. But why keep that joy to ourselves when we can share it with our fellow man? Do you not know that there are many out there who are lost on the dark path and do not know how to find their way off of it?

Just because some choose to walk the path of darknes deliberately does not mean that everyone on that path is there because they know better. This is the basics of evolving in my opinion. One evolves as they grow out of the darkness, and to be a guide and assist others who want to find the Light is the greatest love that a man can give to another.

Your observation of the struggle that takes place between those that lead others into darkness and those that lead others to the Light is valid. It is a very real struggle and it will manifest itself in places like this where these discussions are had. But to deny the opportunity for the sake of comfort is to deny all of those seekers who need our loving guidance and assitance. We do not ALL have the answers and understandings to make us steadfast on our paths. Some of us seek guidance and if it is never there, than where would they find it?

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So you do not want people to tell each other what the point is here, then proceed to tell us what the point is?
That is the power of paradox right there. Energy exchange is part of this existence, be it any way, shape or form. Just relax : )

So, let me get this straight Oldern, you are saying do not tell others what you think, BUT nergy exchange is part of this existence in any form.

Is this not a paradox?Or at least a contradiction?

Haha :-) thanks for the question :-). Let me specify and say that everyone has their own path and to tell them how to walk it or even find it is not respectful. I think everyone should be able to say whatever they want but I don't think they should be able to "tell" anyone how to do anything. A lot of trouble and conflict I see is from People caring when someone tells the. They "should" do something. And I say "why care?" it is their OPINION and if it doesn't RESONATE with you "let it drift away As smoke in the wind" :-) does that answer it at all? As to you oldern :-) I didn't notice that. Lol I thought I put this in but if not then here it is

"this is my opinion. And my opinion only. If you don't resonate with it Then let it fall away like dew drops from grass. And bother you no more" :-) my answer to the above question also kinda answers yours :-)

Peace and giggles
-Conifer17-
:-) <3 :-)

[Shin'Ar]

Yes, a wonderful post Conifer.

Might I ask you a question?

Why would we NOT want to show others how to find the path of Light? Can you honestly tell your self that you would be happy if the entire world was living in hate while you never spoke a word about love or said anything about how to walk a different path? Just your post here is preaching love to the world. Should we tell you that you should not speak about it?

Yes, we should all enjoy love and make it the forefront of our experience. But why keep that joy to ourselves when we can share it with our fellow man? Do you not know that there are many out there who are lost on the dark path and do not know how to find their way off of it?

Just because some choose to walk the path of darknes deliberately does not mean that everyone on that path is there because they know better. This is the basics of evolving in my opinion. One evolves as they grow out of the darkness, and to be a guide and assist others who want to find the Light is the greatest love that a man can give to another.

Your observation of the struggle that takes place between those that lead others into darkness and those that lead others to the Light is valid. It is a very real struggle and it will manifest itself in places like this where these discussions are had. But to deny the opportunity for the sake of comfort is to deny all of those seekers who need our loving guidance and assitance. We do not ALL have the answers and understandings to make us steadfast on our paths. Some of us seek guidance and if it is never there, than where would they find it?

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So you do not want people to tell each other what the point is here, then proceed to tell us what the point is?
That is the power of paradox right there. Energy exchange is part of this existence, be it any way, shape or form. Just relax : )

So, let me get this straight Oldern, you are saying do not tell others what you think, BUT nergy exchange is part of this existence in any form.

Is this not a paradox?Or at least a contradiction?

Haha :-) thanks for the question :-). Let me specify and say that everyone has their own path and to tell them how to walk it or even find it is not respectful. I think everyone should be able to say whatever they want but I don't think they should be able to "tell" anyone how to do anything. A lot of trouble and conflict I see is from People caring when someone tells the. They "should" do something. And I say "why care?" it is their OPINION and if it doesn't RESONATE with you "let it drift away As smoke in the wind" :-) does that answer it at all? As to you oldern :-) I didn't notice that. Lol I thought I put this in but if not then here it is

"this is my opinion. And my opinion only. If you don't resonate with it Then let it fall away like dew drops from grass. And bother you no more" :-) my answer to the above question also kinda answers yours :-)

Peace and giggles
-Conifer17-
:-) <3 :-)

Do you see a line drawn between telling people HOW to walk their path, and showing them that there is a path as an option for them?

[Diana]

I haven't been around much lately and haven't made a thread in a while. This is directed specifically at the restlessness on this forum and all the un needed tension.

I'm not sure there are any humans who are immune to this foible. I think you may find this out as you put yourself "out there." Unless you have no hidden triggers.

Only problem that usually happens is that we create opposition and obstacles that make it harder. Some examples is in fighting in groups that are supposed to be meant for light and free exspression because Some people want to be right or superior and forget to live through love and joy And not caring about perceived slights or the need to be right. In my life this has been so very evident.

Catalyst is how we grow. Embracing it is probably a wise move. I personally don't know anyone who is so advanced that they are able to deal with all situations with "love and light." So, a little forgiveness of our struggles might be in order; while holding each other accountable in a forum such as this (where the focus is growth) seems acceptable.

Monkeys side Monica's side and neutral. It made me sad because it was unnecessary.

To see "sides" is your interpretation only. It also may have been necessary, for each individual involved, for different reasons. I think you may find that wherever you go, any spiritual group, there will be these challenges. There is no perfect, enlightened place to be here in 3D that I know of . . . yet.

Next year I will be 18 and my family is moving but I want to stay here. So I will be on my own right after being an adult. With very little preparation time. I have however already been offered housing by strangers that I trust who heard of my plight and I have so many friends that I have an incredible safety net.

Enjoy! Have fun!

I was on my own at 18 and I loved it beyond words. It was such a feeling of freedom.

[Conifer16]

@shin'ar
I think it is perfectly all right to show that there is another way. But when it becomes disrespectful IMO is when someone tries to make someone "see" their way or "follow" their way. And Diana. I am typing this on my notes app as it is faster and won't quite on me :-) so I can't remember all of what you were saying. But I agree that catalyst is needed and helpful. But here's a different Idea. What if someone could just sit back and enjoy life. 0_0 what then? :-) I am doing it. When catalyst happens that is of the unpleasant nature(which doesn't happen often for me because I don't need it. IMO unpleasant catalyst is to teach you that there is another way to do things the "good" way much as shin'ar was saying :-) I choose to have fun with it and learn what I need to learn :-). Catalyst never has to be one thing. For me I want to have fun with everything because to me that is the point to all this life, to have fun and learn about yourself. Sto and sts matters very little. Everyone is both to a degree and if you really want to get technical the creator is sts. It did after all creat everything so as to lean and help itself. Though you really can't apply that to the creator as sts and Sto only exist as concepts because we exist. So yeah. Haha :-) people are people. They aren't sts and Sto. That is a label and lanes tend to cause trouble. IMO I mean why is the media trying to get us angry and like a mob against Iran. Because they are "Iranians" and "middle eastern" in reality they are people not things to be labeled. Um. I think the tracks for my train of thought have come to a general stop on this subject(at least for now) :-)

Peace and giggles namaste
Adoani Vasu Borragus 
-conifer17- :-) 

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Oh and for me I had just gotten some amount of confidence, so to be on my own right away is for me a little anxious making. But like I said. I seem to be having things set up to help provide for me :-)

[AnthroHeart]

Conifer, I really like your signature.

[Conifer16]

Haha :-) finally!! Someone says something :-) I really like it as well :-)

[Oceania]

i don't get it

[Conifer16]

I'm joking about being

Creator # 1231112342223453334564445675556786667897778988891999
And I added angel numbers to it :-)

[Oceania]

cool

[Ruth]

Dearest Conifer16-Infinity

Thank you so much for trusting us enough to pour your heart out to us. I love you! You are an amazing person and I'm so happy you are here with us in this community. I know the tension you sensed here made you uncomfortable, but I wonder, did you learn anything from it?

Love and light!

[Patrick]

Conifer my friend, you are so right!

Ra even said that the simple act of giving your opinion is synonymous with disagreeing.

I just share an opinion and I'm automatically arguing just by stating this opinion!

Thank you Conifer for bringing this back to my attention.

[3DMonkey]

Conifer my friend, you are so right!

Ra even said that the simple act of giving your opinion is synonymous with disagreeing.

I just share an opinion and I'm automatically arguing just by stating this opinion!

Thank you Conifer for bringing this back to my attention.

[Lavazza]

I'm joking about being

Creator # 1231112342223453334564445675556786667897778988891999
And I added angel numbers to it :-)

Actually you are creator ∞, since we're talking about the One Infinite Creator. As soon as you number it, it's no longer infinite. It's something I didn't realize for a long time, I always figured I was "a part" of the creator, when that is impossible. I am, and you are, the entire Infinite creator in all of it's holographic, fractal, infinite glory. (I know it was just a joke but figured I'd chime in anyways. And I like your initial post by the way )

[Conifer16]

Haha :-) yes that's very true. But I don't think I have an infinity sign on my iPod keyboard. :-)

[Pablísimo]

Hey Conifer!

I enjoyed your post very much, and your gentle and important reminder to just relax, laugh and love! To live with Joy!!! Thank you for giving us all this reminder. That's our Conifer -- everGREEN even in a cold climate.

Lately I've been trying to re-align my life and my posting to express more gratitude and joy and less angst.

I have noticed the conflicts too, and I'm ashamed to admit have even participated in some. But you know, I don't see it as a negative, really. It's just catalyst. I think all we've really been doing is exploring our distortions, individually and collectively. Given the types of lessons many of us are learning at this space/time nexus, this forum may be the only viable vehicle for certain learnings that we have currently. And by the way, though I'm far from neutral and unbiased, I adore Monkey and Monica both!

Though I don't claim to have LEARNED the lessons quite yet, from all this recent static I am...

Learning to let go of the need to be right
Learning to be tolerant of people who haven't yet let it go
Learning more Compassion for those who disagree with me
Learning more Respect for those with a different view
Learning to stop feeding my own vital energy into conflicts
Learning to stop debating with those who are communicating One-way
Learning to recognize that the flaws I perceive in others are also present in Me
Learning that Joy and finding the Love in the moment is more important than any debate topic
Learning to see all those about me as the Creator, whatever their views

I am grateful for all my Brothers & Sisters at Bring4th for helping me with these lessons as they work on their own.

Your post reminded me of some very wise words in a great song.

Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Line

Well it's all right, riding around in the breeze
Well it's all right, if you live the life you please
Well it's all right, doing the best you can
Well it's all right, as long as you lend a hand

You can sit around and wait for the phone to ring
Waiting for someone to tell you everything
Sit around and wonder what tomorrow will bring
Maybe a diamond ring

Well it's all right, even if they say you're wrong
Well it's all right, sometimes you gotta be strong
Well it's all right, As long as you got somewhere to lay
Well it's all right, everyday is Judgement Day

Maybe somewhere down the road aways
You'll think of me,wonder where I am these days
Maybe somewhere down the road when somebody plays
Purple haze

Well it's all right, even when push comes to shove
Well it's all right, if you got someone to love
Well it's all right, everything'll work out fine
Well it's all right, we're going to the end of the line

Don't have to be ashamed of the car I drive
I'm glad to be here, happy to be alive
It don't matter if you're by my side
I'm satisfied

Well it's all right, even if you're old and grey
Well it's all right, you still got something to say
Well it's all right, remember to live and let live
Well it's all right, the best you can do is forgive

Well it's all right, riding around in the breeze
Well it's all right, if you live the life you please
Well it's all right, even if the sun don't shine
Well it's all right, we're going to the end of the line

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Love to all
(naive or not, sending love to all brings me Joy)