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    Thread: The Law of One


    nwthomas (Offline)

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    03-31-2011, 12:56 AM (This post was last modified: 03-31-2011, 01:12 AM by nwthomas.)
    I have been puzzling over the question of what the Law of One means, and how to state it in rigorous terms. I wish to discuss the progress that I have recently made on this question. In particular, I will suggest that, under a reasonable interpretation of logic, the Law of One is a logically ascertainable fact which logicians have failed to acknowledge due to the intuitive difficulties it raises.

    I quote Ra's statement of the Law of One:

    Quote:Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

    That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

    In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    This offers a beautiful and poetical enunciation of the Law of One, but it is somewhat vague. I desired a way to state the Law of One in a more semantically precise way. Now I think that I have found such a way.

    Many advances occurred in the field of logic at the beginning of the century. This was through the work of individuals such as Frege, Russell, and Wittgenstein.

    These thinkers believed that all statements about the world could be translated into a single, minimally simple language called "formal logic." They believed that all of mathematics, science, and everyday knowledge about the world could be united under this common logical framework, so that all of our knowledge could be expressed in a single, very simple, unambiguous language.

    Things looked quite optimistic for this project. Few difficulties were encountered in the outset of the project, and it looked as if it would succeed. A major setback came when these thinkers discovered that, in attempting to lay down the foundations for mathematics, they ran into various paradoxes.

    A paradox is a logical contradiction: a place where two statements, P and not P, are both true. So, for example, if I say that I am alive and I am dead, this is a paradox. Further examples would be a married bachelor (a man who is married and not married), or a mountain surrounded entirely by higher ground.

    These thinkers routinely encountered paradoxes in their attempts to unify mathematics under their framework. They constructed ever more complex theories in an attempt to escape these paradoxes. Eventually their efforts were put to an end when Kurt Gödel proved that any conceivable theory capable of describing even the simplest mathematics would produce paradoxes. (I simplify his result for the purposes of this informal exposition.)

    The dust has now settled from this initial flurry of discovery. Logicians have invented more complex frameworks which can capture most mathematics in practice, while avoiding paradoxes for the most part. They continue to struggle with this problem of paradox in various ways, and with the problems created by the frameworks they have invented in order to avoid paradoxes.

    It is worth asking why logicians have gone to such great lengths to avoid paradoxes. The reason is that once one has introduced a paradox into one's system, the whole system collapses. In particular, if one introduces a paradox into a logical framework, it then becomes possible to prove that every statement is both true and false. Thus, given any paradox, it becomes possible to prove that 2+2=5, that unicorns exist, and that I am the King of France. Given any paradox, these are all true and false.

    Thus, logicians are motivated to avoid paradoxes because allowing them leaves us with a framework describing a world quite different from the one which is familiar to us. All the same, it was never logically ascertained that the world is not paradoxical. Indeed, it seems more as if logicians have struggled to maintain the view that the world is not paradoxical.

    I suggest that it is a legitimate interpretation of the findings of logic that everything is true and false. If a logical theory contains any paradoxes, then everything is true and false in that theory. Logicians have struggled to avoid paradoxes, and we may interpret this as meaning that reality really is paradoxical, and that everything really is true and false. Under this theory:

    God exists and does not exist.
    2+2 equals and does not equal 5.
    You are and are not reading this sentence.

    All of these propositions, and countless other propositions extending to every aspect of life, can be proven logically under a certain interpretation of logic. Logicians call this interpretation "trivialism." Trivialism is not generally accepted by logicians, but it is actually in some ways simpler than the other interpretations which jump through various hoops to avoid paradoxes. I suggest that it is a reasonable interpretation of the results of logic. If we accept it then all of these propositions ("you are and are not reading this sentence," etc.) are actually supported by logic.

    Trivialism offers us a very nice way of articulating the Law of One. Under the Law of One, all opposites are reconciled into unity. Thus, under the Law of One, male is female, positive is negative, good is bad, pleasure is pain, etc. All statements of this form can be logically derived under trivialism. And we no longer have to deal with the problem that they are contrary to logic, because under trivialism they are not. We are left only with the problem that they are grossly contrary to intuition.

    Does that make sense to anybody? Does anybody have anything to add?

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    03-31-2011, 09:38 AM
    http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...3#pid14843

    http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1143

    http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=89&page=8

    http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...8#pid21408

    http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...9#pid19199

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    cosmicgiant (Offline)

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    03-31-2011, 03:14 PM
    I think you are pretty spot-on!

    I tried to do the same sort of exercise, but from a slightly different angle. I basically propose that the entire Universe is made up of an infinite number of nested "truth/s". This allows for the appearance of unique/distinct objects and yet also shows that "all is one", since all truths are essentially the same (or have the same potential - however you want to look at it). This just has to be the case!

    Nevertheless, like you also seem to be saying, where does one go from here?

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    03-31-2011, 03:17 PM (This post was last modified: 03-31-2011, 03:26 PM by nwthomas.)
    unity100, thank you for the input! Were you just informing me of your thoughts on the Law of One, or was some of it more directly relevant to what I was saying? If the latter, would you care to explain?
    cosmicgiant: I think you are on to something with this "nesting" concept, as the universe definitely seems to me to be some kind of fractal, repeating itself inside itself again and again.

    One idea that I am toying with is the idea that each of these limited, finite truths is created by ignoring part of infinity. So, for instance, unicorns exist and unicorns do not exist, but if both of these are simultaneously recognized as true then one is not thinking about unicorns at all; rather, one is thinking about infinity. (This is similar to how the sum of a number and its negation is always zero.) Now if one recognizes the existence of unicorns while ignoring the non-existence of unicorns, then one will be living in a reality in which unicorns exist. Perhaps a person with sufficiently strong faith and will could actually bring unicorns into being by this method. Perhaps, also, it is by this method that the Creator thinks the Logos into existence, and the Logos think its contents into existence.

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    03-31-2011, 04:44 PM
    My current perspective...

    Infinite manifestations already exist right now, since time is also a distortion of infinity. Therefore, it would be more accurate to state that I, the aware self, shift my perspective and do not actually create or destroy anything when it seems that I am doing so, like in the case of creating fire with a lighter. The flame already exists...I do not "create" it by striking the flint wheel.

    The process of shifting is so "automatic" and fluid that it makes a great atmosphere for believing in the illusion we call reality.
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    03-31-2011, 05:33 PM
    If you place two mirrors to face eachother, do you see infinity?

    hmm? xD
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    03-31-2011, 07:18 PM
    (03-31-2011, 03:17 PM)nwthomas Wrote: unity100, thank you for the input! Were you just informing me of your thoughts on the Law of One, or was some of it more directly relevant to what I was saying? If the latter, would you care to explain?
    cosmicgiant: I think you are on to something with this "nesting" concept, as the universe definitely seems to me to be some kind of fractal, repeating itself inside itself again and again.

    they are links to various discussions we made here about infinity. i had had bookmarked them in order to reference them when similar concepts were discussed. in those posts, and the discussions immediately preceding and following them, there are a lot of things, including, but not limited to, my and others' views on infinity, references from Ra, other sources, and philosophies.

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    LetGo (Offline)

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    04-11-2011, 07:02 AM (This post was last modified: 04-11-2011, 07:29 AM by LetGo.)
    yes many nice ideas here.
    but....

    Quote:16.37
    Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

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    zenmaster (Offline)

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    04-11-2011, 08:42 AM
    (04-11-2011, 07:02 AM)LetGo Wrote: yes many nice ideas here.
    but....

    Quote:16.37
    Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.
    That refers to comprehension of the workings of the logos, not of one's own illusion. Working within the (subjective) illusion is what allows 'polarization' in the first place. Conscious evaluation (via thinking or feeling faculties), allows self-orientation or placement of catalyst in one's experience, for a balanced seeking. The evaluation also provides for recognition of catalyst, which is required for self-determination and accelerated progress within the illusion.

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    04-11-2011, 10:18 AM
    (04-11-2011, 07:02 AM)LetGo Wrote: yes many nice ideas here.
    but....

    Quote:16.37
    Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

    he has not asked what do you need to do to get harvested.

    he has asked, 'what is Law of One'.

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    04-11-2011, 07:48 PM
    does that mean an atheist won't make it?

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    04-11-2011, 08:02 PM
    the point was what Ra said not the question unity100.

    i think the Law of One just like infinity and
    eternity is incomprehensible.


    Quote:Neither concepts nor mathematical formulae can explain the infinite. No
    thought can encapsulate the vastness of the totality. Reality is a unified
    whole, but thought cuts it up into fragments. This gives rise to fundamental
    misperceptions., for example, that there are separate things and events, or
    that this is the cause of that. Every thought implies a perspective, and every
    perspective, by its very nature, implies limitation, which ultimately means
    that it is not true, at least not absolutely. Only the whole is true, but the
    whole cannot be spoken or thought. Seen from beyond the limitations of
    thinking and therefore incomprehensible to the human mind, everything is
    happening now. All that ever has been or will be is now, outside of time,
    which is a mental construct.
    Eckhart Tolle - A New Earth

    we can sometimes glimpse it though but only by being present/quieting the mind.

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    04-12-2011, 02:42 AM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2011, 02:43 AM by drifting pages.)
    Nothing can explain infinity.

    Oh wait ;D

    It is not just infinity this boils down to consciousness itself which we presume (seams so) to be infinity whole complete and still.

    An so since the whole still is all there is ( no experience or movement)

    We can call ourselves breaths of consciousness

    By breathing it knows what it is not in it's search for knowing what it really is.

    But hey

    I am not complaining i will dance till the ends of time until i become nothing again.

    Oh wait i am already that, or in fact there is no I to speak of in that state...

    So there ! I like to call myself an I so i am gonna pretend i exist a little longer.

    I will pretend i can differentiate myself in all that is.

    And so that is the game..

    for NOW

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    04-12-2011, 06:11 AM
    i tried looking into the mirror but i was in the way. in the way of infinity.

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    04-12-2011, 06:24 AM
    Lol Ocean you crack me up! Heart

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    Ocean (Offline)

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    04-12-2011, 06:35 AM
    Tongue it fits, no? it's like a concrete symbol that when the I dissolves there will be a revealing of that mystery lololol

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    04-12-2011, 06:45 AM
    Ah now I am getting you! :idea:
    Wow. That is really insightful. Thank you, you wonderful crystal blue Ocean being!

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    Ocean (Offline)

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    04-12-2011, 06:46 AM
    lol! i see you as a green ocean. Tongue

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    04-12-2011, 06:48 AM
    Yes!!! I am green you got it. My name contains many "E"s, and "E" is green. Some even saw my aura as green.

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    04-12-2011, 06:59 AM
    i want a pic of my aura.
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