03-05-2011, 06:09 AM
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03-05-2011, 06:47 AM
Great stuff! I saw an article about this mentioning that information about the Rendelsham Forest incident is not there. I need to check that out thought.
Thanks
03-05-2011, 09:04 AM
sweet. this got taken out for a while on the british government site. glad to see it's finally back up
03-05-2011, 10:33 AM
03-05-2011, 11:33 AM
The MJ-12 document (operations manual) was merely anonymously faxed to them 10 years ago. If you remember, at that same time, the same exact document was available on the internet...
That is, someone 10 years ago prints that document (from whatever internet conspiracy site) and faxes it to the MOD. It then gets filed put with the other info received. Now it is released, along with the other stuff, with people claiming it as "disclosure".
03-05-2011, 12:32 PM
it's funny they worry so much, when noone even cares this stuff is available. if i gave this link to people i know they'd simply ignore it.
03-05-2011, 09:00 PM
(03-05-2011, 11:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: That is, someone 10 years ago prints that document (from whatever internet conspiracy site) and faxes it to the MOD. It then gets filed put with the other info received. Now it is released, along with the other stuff, with people claiming it as "disclosure". what matters is that they are trying and that these documents are more widely available. so that when people do care and learn for themselves that it is relevant, they can get to it. otherwise it is going to have to stay anonymous, at least until more bigger headlines come through... like official contact, and official disclosure.
03-06-2011, 01:47 AM
(03-05-2011, 09:00 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote:Why would that matter. The ends really don't justify the means. If one promotes any info, regardless of veracity, in order to force some end - well, that's just unethical. Sorry...it's wrong. So called 'disclosure' has been framed thusly.(03-05-2011, 11:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: That is, someone 10 years ago prints that document (from whatever internet conspiracy site) and faxes it to the MOD. It then gets filed put with the other info received. Now it is released, along with the other stuff, with people claiming it as "disclosure". "we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road-map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost." (03-05-2011, 09:00 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: otherwise it is going to have to stay anonymous, at least until more bigger headlines come through... like official contact, and official disclosure.Probably not a good idea to promote something in name only, just for the sake of it, and without knowledge of what is really desired - behind the word.
03-06-2011, 06:56 AM
(03-06-2011, 01:47 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road-map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost." u say it like people can't decide for themselves whats wrong or what's right. isn't it better to have everything available and then let people come to their own conclusion instead of showing them only one side of everything.
03-06-2011, 07:39 AM
(03-06-2011, 06:56 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote:(03-06-2011, 01:47 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road-map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost." I believe he's quoting Ra to refer to the fact he pointed out that these documents are not what they appear to be (faulty authority). These documents have been available for a long time on the internet. I believe he's saying that instead of these being legitimate official documents, they're simply an anonymous fax from an anonymous source, not from any governmental source. If this is true, this may discredit this document as a step towards the truth. I wonder, is there any official statement revealing the source of these documents? Does the MOD claim anywhere that they were simply anonymously faxed?
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03-06-2011, 10:05 AM
umm the official statement is that this is from the uk government server. you think something at the government level would use a bit more discretion as to the validity of something. that's why it's better to have everything there than to automatically assume it's fake. plus several people on the ufo disclosure project allude to mj 12. so i don't think it's something to automatically dismiss as fact nor fiction. that's just me.
(03-06-2011, 06:56 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote:Of course they can make decisions from info presented. But the info is presented in a leading, suggestive manner, and is composed of falsehoods. This is done on purpose, in order to promote a particular end. It is the manufacture and promotion of misleading or false information - false framing - for the sole purpose of inciting concern and awareness of something.(03-06-2011, 01:47 AM)zenmaster Wrote: "we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road-map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost." This information does not exist on its own. It is, like all 'memes', 'intelligent energy' that directs or enables new choices of the same nature. Such info can only be spawned and further promoted, or given life, from an intention where ends justify means. This is wrong. To put it another way, what kind of 'answer' (disclosure) does one expect from a satisfactory 'question' which is constructed of falsehoods? Of course the satisfactory answer to such as question can only be one which itself is a falsehood. As far as I can tell, there is almost no virtue in that 'movement'. The 'form of the question doesn't matter as long as something I want happens' intention seems to represent the bulk of the popular motivation behind that style of promotion.
03-06-2011, 03:44 PM
u can rewrite that all u want. i know u are saying the mj 12 documents are falsified. I don't know which documents exactly u are referring to in the giant body of documents.
I do know however there was a real mj-12 As it's not simply the document that has referred to it but various whistleblowers.
03-06-2011, 03:49 PM
You're completely missing the point.
03-06-2011, 07:27 PM
(03-06-2011, 03:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You're completely missing the point.what that falsified documents dilute the true work of disclosure? yea i don't disagree.. but when was there ever just the truth without fake stuff? http://walyou.com/panama-montauk-monster/ umm but if u search montauk monster u find a buncha pictures of mutilated pigs and other animals because of United states backwards engineered ufo tech. which i think was the same reason all these cows got mutilated the same way, as if the flesh and meat were literally just flayed away from the bone and vaporized.. almost like a sonic weapon. maybe this quote might explain my view by Immanuel Kant "Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made" or in other words, nothing will ever be perfect
03-07-2011, 11:25 AM
did the montauk monster have consciousness?
03-07-2011, 01:22 PM
03-07-2011, 05:36 PM
(03-06-2011, 10:05 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: umm the official statement is that this is from the uk government server. you think something at the government level would use a bit more discretion as to the validity of something. that's why it's better to have everything there than to automatically assume it's fake. plus several people on the ufo disclosure project allude to mj 12. so i don't think it's something to automatically dismiss as fact nor fiction. that's just me. I definitely agree with that, you would think the UK government would be sure to make note of any sort of file released thought to be a hoax, especially at the caliber of the MJ-12 documents. The implication of the UK government supporting the validity of these papers is HUGE...this is why I'd really like to know for sure what the MOD says about these particular declassified documents.
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03-07-2011, 05:46 PM
(03-07-2011, 05:36 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I definitely agree with that, you would think the UK government would be sure to make note of any sort of file released thought to be a hoax, especially at the caliber of the MJ-12 documents. albeit thanks to the endless variety and number of exploits, hacks that are out on the web, its quite easy to implant any kind of document to a webserver facing the internet.
03-07-2011, 09:59 PM
(03-07-2011, 05:36 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The implication of the UK government supporting the validity of these papers is HUGE...this is why I'd really like to know for sure what the MOD says about these particular declassified documents. Are you kidding? The UK government releasing material sent to them does not mean they support their validity. They merely weed through the submissions and investigate the ones that can be investigated.
03-08-2011, 12:37 AM
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(03-07-2011, 09:59 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(03-07-2011, 05:36 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The implication of the UK government supporting the validity of these papers is HUGE...this is why I'd really like to know for sure what the MOD says about these particular declassified documents. I never said the UK government simply releasing it meant that it supports the validity. I said the implication is huge.
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