Why Ra doesn't make contact with Carla and Jim after Don's suicide??
06-05-2021, 03:13 PM,
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RE: Why Ra doesn't make contact with Carla and Jim after Don's suicide??
(06-05-2021, 01:38 PM)Aion Wrote:  On the topic of "widely disseminating" the materials I always consider this little response.



Quote:17.2 Questioner: Is it possible to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your term, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is of the moment, is an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment. But who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

Of course, that is their opinion.

Hello Aion.  Thank you for sharing that, and for being familiar enough with the material to know that they addressed the issue.  That is proof enough for me regarding their intent at that time.  I'm still a newbie regarding making it through all the Law of One material, but would enjoy hearing your opinion, and the opinion of others regarding a few questions that popped into my mind. I thank you in advance for your tutelage and wisdom.

From what I have read, it seems as if Ra is not only prohibited from strongly influencing free will, or inappropriately altering confusion/obfuscation via the veil, they tend to stop well short of the limits permissible, and I haven't seen a willingness to even dabble in the grey areas, or areas that appear to my limited intellect as less defined.   With that said, do you fine people think that they would view unfavorably the promotion of this beneficial material by us STO beings for the betterment of all.  

Ra said "We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others.[/b] That you attempt to make this information available is, in your term, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all."

This paragraph will resonate differently to others, but this is what I'm pondering...   It seems to me to be a little "between the lines" encouragement without being overly overt, but also in the hopes of avoiding a brash and ill conceived blitz on dissemination.  In the 1980's fervent dissemination may have involved flyers and human ambassadors engaging the public, similar to Jehovah's Witnesses or Hari Krishna's and the ensuing ridicule in our media culture.  

Ra further said "This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service."

As beings oriented to STO should we take the initiative and be of service to as many as possible using this catalyst, to help others obtain fourth density understanding?  From Ra's above statement, it is a viable catalyst, and is fourth density understanding needed more at this particular time in our evolution?  An analogy:  If we are raising money for a charity, and they say each person only needs to raise $50, is it detrimental to the cause if try harder and do more?    

I wonder if their advice would be seasoned differently today, given our ability to join together and communicate with each other globally in real time, and Gaia's rapid transformation.  

I hope this doesn't come across as confrontational or argumentative.  On the contrary I value every thought and opinion as I try to gain a better understanding of Ra and the true nature of things.

Thank you,

Kevin
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06-05-2021, 03:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-05-2021, 03:29 PM by Aion.)
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RE: Why Ra doesn't make contact with Carla and Jim after Don's suicide??
That's a worthwhile consideration, I'd say, and you don't come across at all as argumentative, no worries. I think that Ra was reaching towards the idea of not holding attachment to the outcome of the efforts, but also the sense that one cannot control the growth and evolution of others. The latter part of that quote is actually I think the greater heart of the point.

Quote:We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is of the moment, is an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment. But who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

I think the same is true, and so, most important is to use your own wisdom and intuition to guide you. How much is "too much"? Well, Ra doesn't give a measure in numbers and I take that to imply that they ask us to trust our hearts rather than our intellects when it comes to 'how much' is 'enough'.

Insofar as it is concerned, there is no "best" or "right" way (well, Ra has their opinion, like we all do), but you have to do what feels right within your being! That is the 'highest' service one can offer.

Quote:17.30 Questioner: Well, if an entity wants to learn ways of it, wants to be of service to others rather than service to self while he is in this third density, are there best ways of being of service to others, or is any way just as good as any other way?

Ra: I am Ra. The best way to be of service to others has been explicitly covered in previous material. We will iterate briefly.

The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self-knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence, or the heart, of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

That is to say, one wants to teach/learn, but without attempting to learn/teach FOR others. At least, that's my own interpretation of what is said here.

Also, in a way, we're all newbies, welcome along for the journey.
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06-11-2021, 03:06 AM,
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RE: Why Ra doesn't make contact with Carla and Jim after Don's suicide??
(06-03-2021, 07:51 AM)anicolai Wrote:  Hello....I am a brand new member, posting the first comment on the first post I have read.  My computer's wireless mouse is missing, so I am not going to try to highlight a comment from above without it, or I will be late for work, lol.

In response to the comment about the spreading of L/L Research's materials through social media and other platforms, I can say that if it weren't for that, I wouldn't be here.  I first read about L/L Research in a book, then found it mentioned on a video on Youtube by a guy who dives deep into meta materials.  I bought all the books and am going to start 4 soon...
Then I looked it up on Facebook and saw that they post things ALL the time...great material by Ra, Q'uo, etc.  Then while reading something on L/L Research's massive page, I found there is a guy who transcribes L/L Research channelings into an easier-to-listen-to format (I think the channel is Love and Light something-or-other) so I can learn while I make art.  I can continue to learn in different settings depending on what I am doing.

Point being, I think the avenues that L/L Research uses to reach out to the world and be seen by people who may or may not be drawn to it are completely fair.  I have never seen any kind of solicitation for money...or I just haven't found it yet.  I have a pretty firm grasp on the concepts of the Law of One, having read the first 3 books.  But I have lifetimes of learning to do, and am grateful to have found this forum.  I look forward to really diving into it and seeing what other seekers think, talk about and say.

And if the internet blows up, there is always the books.

(BTW, this is the first post I read, because I was not aware that Don died by suicide.)

All the best,
Amy


Welcome! and happy seeking.

Amy, I don't doubt the power of technologies and social media have for disseminating the teachings of the Law of One.

L/L Research doesn't solicit for money.. (hopefully never.) But the "gurus" that collaborated with l/l uses the materials to aide them on selling their "self-help" programs and services. They charge a pretty penny if you look into some of these folks.

One of them, (not going to say who.) Ironically points out the "deception" that negative polarity uses, like.. Charisma, beauty, law of attraction, etc. etc. while they are doing the exact thing they are warning others about.

The point I was trying to make requires you to look a bit deeper into the polarity chess-game between STO and STS... It is not a simple "evil" that STO path must avoids.

Anything in existence has the essence of "duality." The player is the one that decide to use it as a weapon, or a tool.

Aion pointed out some good quotes from Ra in regard of this topic.

In addition to this, the more energy puts towards the distortion of service, the more the other-polarity gets to play "too."

Remember, there is always a balance.

Ra made a huge attempt with the Egyptian, take a look at the result....

Don, Carla, and James made a huge attempt too, and look at what happened to Don and Carla...

Now James is the only one left with two new disciples... and gearing towards pushing the materials further....

I just hope that James learned from his two comrades... and this chessboard.... and I pray that his anger does not consume him if this whole thing falls through and destroys L/L Research. (I.E. The organization turns into a "for-profit" that feeds into the maelstrom of our current modern culture of materialism, or "new age" spirituality with psychedelic and trendy posts about proverbs.) -- of course, it's more complicated than this, people can become zealots and this whole thing turns into a "cult-like." etc. etc.

In short, "know your enemy." (at least for now, until 7th Density. Then the folks on the negative side finally figure it out and stop being a menace to all.)

On the other hand though, if none of this makes sense to you or anyone here... Take a look at this! Bo Burnham helps you "feel" the message. Big Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BneeJTDcU

With love and light Heart
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