Episode #98
04-08-2021, 05:25 PM,
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Episode #98
Episode #98


In this episode, we discuss:
- We explore the Spiral Dynamics system and how it relates to the Perrenial Philosophy and the Law of One.
* Featuring Doug Scott, MA, MSW, a mental health professional and theologian. Find more of his work at www.cosmicchrist.net.


Feel free to discuss this episode in this thread!
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05-03-2021, 10:17 AM,
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I was listening to this one while doing the dishes over the past few days (it was a long one Smile ) and I really enjoyed it. I remember people talking about spiral dynamics on this forum ages ago but never really looked into it. Seems like an interesting layout of personal and social development. As someone who is interested in history I thought it was very interesting how you could trace the stages through historical periods, but I was wondering if the progression is always forward. It seems to me that there are times when society may have regressed to a previous stage. The Bronze age saw a lot of forward development that may have reached the blue and possibly a little orange stage before the bronze age collapse reverted to red. Similarly the Greek city states and the Roman Empire might be seen as blue with hints of orange as well before the collapse and partition into feudal states. I suppose the same could occur on the individual level?

Also there was some talk about how general Patton could have increased in positive polarization but decreased in harvestability during his lifetime. My personal take on that is that he polarized positively through strong yellow ray work, I think he contributed positively to society by helping defeat the Nazis, but that his heart may have become closed due to hatred of the enemy. An open heart is a requirement for harvest in addition to the 51% positive polarity, is it not?

Anyway, thanks gang and thanks to Doug.
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05-03-2021, 05:37 PM,
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I have doubts about that the green ray Ra talks about can be equated to stage Green in Spiral Dynamics. As I understand it, green-ray activation is what enables a service-to-others social memory complex. That's a collective consciousness, a superorganism, way above even the second tier in Spiral Dynamics.
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05-03-2021, 06:40 PM,
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Maybe I should explain my perspective. They talked in the podcast about looking at things from different stages. Well, in this case I'm looking at it from an outrageously high perspective. I'm myself in ego consciousness so this is a form of fake it till you make it approach by me.

Picture, if you will, a married couple where both partners are at stage Yellow in Spiral Dynamics. Their marriage is going fairly well and they have only been close to a divorce once over a period of several years. From my perspective that kind of relationship is puny! And it's a total mess of conflicts.

In my other scenario we have trillions of cells coopering in harmony to make up the human body. Contrast that to only two individuals (the marriage example) hardly being able to have harmony in their relationship.

And a social memory complex is to me like the difference between separate cells and a whole multicellular organism. Spiral Dynamics in this analogy is about separate cells, while a social memory complex (of service-to-others kind) is like a multicellular organism. Even an individual at stage Turquoise in Spiral Dynamics is still like a single cell compared to the capacity of a whole human body. It's a humongous evolutionary leap into an entirely new level of organization. Dr. Bruce Lipton has described what he calls fractal evolution about a similar principle.

In this short video Bruce Lipton talks about fractal evolution applied to humanity:


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05-03-2021, 06:54 PM,
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(05-03-2021, 05:37 PM)Anders Wrote:  I have doubts about that the green ray Ra talks about can be equated to stage Green in Spiral Dynamics. As I understand it, green-ray activation is what enables a service-to-others social memory complex. That's a collective consciousness, a superorganism, way above even the second tier in Spiral Dynamics.

The colors of Spiral Dynamics are not the same as the true colors of the densities. Spiral Dynamics has chosen arbitrary colors just for contrast.

http://www.integralworld.net/dillard2.html
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05-04-2021, 12:51 AM,
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(05-03-2021, 06:54 PM)Patrick Wrote:  
(05-03-2021, 05:37 PM)Anders Wrote:  I have doubts about that the green ray Ra talks about can be equated to stage Green in Spiral Dynamics. As I understand it, green-ray activation is what enables a service-to-others social memory complex. That's a collective consciousness, a superorganism, way above even the second tier in Spiral Dynamics.

The colors of Spiral Dynamics are not the same as the true colors of the densities. Spiral Dynamics has chosen arbitrary colors just for contrast.

http://www.integralworld.net/dillard2.html

Ken Wilber has even changed the color Yellow to Teal, maybe the word 'yellow' sounded to lame for him, like how a SWAT team can be called team gold instead of team yellow, haha.

More seriously though they made a comparison in the podcast between going from Green (last stage in the first tier) to Yellow (first stage in the second tier) in Spiral Dynamics and green-ray activation in the Law of One. I suspect that those are two things with magnitudes of difference.

Imagine the perspective a single cell has in our body. And compare that to the perspective we have as a human being. I see the difference between Ra and Spiral Dynamics as the difference between the human perspective and the cell's perspective (the cell is in the analogy the separate human being).
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05-05-2021, 10:34 PM,
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I found it so interesting, my sister was a big fan of Ken Wilbur’s writings and as I loved and admired her I tried to get into it and I got in and then out.

So I really loved this discussion. It’s funny because I am so into the colors of our chakras that at times my feeble brain felt totally under water with the colors adopted for the spirals and how they related to the evolution of the person.
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