Empirical scientific evidence of the Law of One
04-12-2021, 03:12 PM,
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RE: Empirical scientific evidence of the Law of One
(04-12-2021, 12:39 AM)jafar Wrote:  Mr Sadhguru has rebranded "Yoga" as science named "Yogic Science".
And it's 'practices' as 'applicable technology'.

Yoga by itself literally means "Unite", although the term has been mis-interpreted as merely "fitness and health practices", which is not 100% incorrect either.

The approach is to teach others the 'technology' on how to experience the "non physical aspects" that cannot be easily sensed by the 5 physical senses. Once they experienced it then surely they will believe it as part of their reality, as experiencing is believing.

A simple example: once you experienced meeting your own higher self, you will definitely believe the conception of 'higher self' as part of your reality. The believe will be so strong that you do not need any assurance from others, including those who labeled themselves as 'scientist'.

This is actually a better approach compared to today's 'scientific experiment' as not all type of experiment (ie: Quantum particle experiment) can be easily performed by common folks thus witnessing the results themselves. What they do is they merely believe the results of the experiments as experienced and interpreted by others.

How Yogis Know the Secrets of the Universe
https://youtu.be/Relgq7Twbfw

There are many things in the West that does not understand Eastern Philosophy, and Yoga is only one aspect. In churches today in the West they are still teaching "Devil Worship" regarding the Vedas, and denying there is any truth in the East. If not Devil Worship, then it is "Paganism" and worshiping "False God(s)". An immature and infantile attitude. The East has been misunderstood for centuries. When I rebelled against a Fundamentalist church, and went into ISKCON, it was like a "Rebirth" Philosophically, because what I had learned through indoctrination and brainwashing by the church was totally untrue. I returned to the church a few times as the "Backslider", and by the reaction of people, you would had thought the "Devil" himself, (not that I believe in such childish rhetoric), had walked through the door. They just did not get it.

Rebellion is also Liberation. Because it is an act of Self-Awareness and Self-Evolution. When I see the differences between where I started, and where I am now, it is, (literally), a "Quantum Leap" Philosophically. I know people today who are still at where I was, and they have not grown Spiritually. The indoctrination continues. When we comprehend the "Higher Self" and "Inner Reality", there is no going back. The next Rebellion was from ISKCON to Zen. Not a real Rebellion, (per se), more of an "Awakening". Another Quantum Leap. We never stop growing Spiritually. An argument many people do not understand. Rebel and Evolve.
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04-12-2021, 04:23 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2021, 04:25 PM by Ymarsakar.)
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RE: Empirical scientific evidence of the Law of One
One of the early Hatonn or other channelings in the 1970s, mentioned about how "idols" were not just gold/metal/wood but they could also be words. Words like what people call the "Word of God".

How can a set of text written by humans, be called the Word of God? The Words of Ymar come from Ymar right? If someone repeats this in a telephone conversation, this isn't my word. Do people not recall the term "don't put words in my mouth"?

The words of a god come from that god. This is a fundamental issue people are missing.

If I want to know what Yeshua thought, I don't look up an English translation by some editor or institution. I ask him directly. Ask and ye shall receive. Knock and it will be answered.
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04-12-2021, 05:06 PM,
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(04-12-2021, 04:23 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:  One of the early Hatonn or other channelings in the 1970s, mentioned about how "idols" were not just gold/metal/wood but they could also be words. Words like what people call the "Word of God".

How can a set of text written by humans, be called the Word of God? The Words of Ymar come from Ymar right? If someone repeats this in a telephone conversation, this isn't my word. Do people not recall the term "don't put words in my mouth"?

The words of a god come from that god. This is a fundamental issue people are missing.

If I want to know what Yeshua thought, I don't look up an English translation by some editor or institution. I ask him directly. Ask and ye shall receive. Knock and it will be answered.

It must be "Fate" calling my name, (or something)? There is something mysterious and it keeps reverberating, (and a sign). On various sources on the Internet, I keep hearing the same words over and over, that the Sacred Texts in all the World's Religions is "Alien Inspired". I first heard it a few weeks ago relating to the Vedas, and several other sources since then. I think that the "Law of One" is try to tell me something? The closer you become involved in the "Law of One", the more it reveals itself. Stop questioning and listen, the old adage from the East. The student is asking the Master too many questions about Self-Realization and Enlightenment. Shut up, and listen. Then the Master hits the student in the face to bring him back to Reality. Let the Awakening begin. The "God(s)" are mysterious Beings? As for "Man and his Idols"? Do I not have a statue of Ganesh in my living room? Idols are good, ignorance is bad. They are nothing more than an Intellectual interpretation of a Godly Being and misunderstood by the West. Although the West remains hypercritical because of their Saintly figures adorning their countless churches. Let the defilement begin and the "Spiritual Revolution", setting Humanity free from its delusional bondage. A person is never free until they reach Self-Realization.
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04-12-2021, 05:08 PM,
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What is an alien?
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04-12-2021, 05:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2021, 05:35 PM by Ming the Merciful.)
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(04-12-2021, 05:08 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:  What is an alien?

An "Otherworldly Being", somebody from another planet. Not of this Earth. Or, what is now believed the Beings that inspired the Vedas.
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04-12-2021, 06:44 PM,
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Thus to understand alien, one must understand planet and Earth. Why was there a problem communicating what galaxy was in the Confederation material?
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04-12-2021, 07:40 PM,
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(04-12-2021, 06:44 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:  Thus to understand alien, one must understand planet and Earth. Why was there a problem communicating what galaxy was in the Confederation material?

That's a great question! It would seem that these things are not what we think they are. Star systems and galaxies are not what the current mainstream science believes them to be.
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04-12-2021, 11:31 PM,
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Humans see truth that is distorted. Is a distorted truth, still the truth?
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04-13-2021, 06:48 AM,
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(04-12-2021, 03:12 PM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:  There are many things in the West that does not understand Eastern Philosophy, and Yoga is only one aspect. In churches today in the West they are still teaching "Devil Worship" regarding the Vedas, and denying there is any truth in the East. If not Devil Worship, then it is "Paganism" and worshiping "False God(s)". An immature and infantile attitude.

I definitely experienced similar things and came into the same observation.
There are many 'churches', and each claiming to withhold the one and only true religion.
Only later I found out that this kind of attitude (Uber Alles) is among the key characteristic of STS.

ymarsakar Wrote:One of the early Hatonn or other channelings in the 1970s, mentioned about how "idols" were not just gold/metal/wood but they could also be words. Words like what people call the "Word of God".

How can a set of text written by humans, be called the Word of God? The Words of Ymar come from Ymar right? If someone repeats this in a telephone conversation, this isn't my word. Do people not recall the term "don't put words in my mouth"?

This is interesting! where did Hatonn said that?
Because I do have the same opinion.

And that's shaped my current attitude to not merely believes something is true just because X said so.
Whomever X is; God, YHVH, Allah, Jesus, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Ra, Scientists..

I did put a reply to the :proponent of the Words of God" that if there is only one God due to it's boundless / infinity then will not that make every words are actually God's words?

They fell silent..

I understand that such idea will not support their actual objective of making their idol, "X" (Bible, Quran, Book Of Mormon, what have you..) as "Superior" compared to the other material. Where in they want to make the other materials as merely "Man Words" thus "Inferior".
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04-13-2021, 07:33 AM,
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Jafar:

"You ask us about the companionship of money and spirituality. It is written in one of your holy works that the love of money is the root of all evil. We would like to point out that it is the love of money, as it is any idolatry, which is at the root of separation, whether it be the separation of true worship of the great divine mystery because of pieces of wood and stone or the separation of one’s focus from that same mystery because of the love of counting. It is not the money itself which is contrary to a life led with a spiritual center, but the idolatrous love of that which is builded by man in imitation of the Creator’s abundance.
The love of power is understandable within your illusion, for quite purposefully did you design your physical vehicles to be nearly powerless in any natural sense, shall we say, against the greatly powerful forces of your illusion’s environment. Indeed, you were given both the instinct for survival and the challenge of survival as the foundation for your learning in third density. The love of money is a sub-type for the idolatry of power, for among other things, the having of this artificial substance which mimics true prosperity causes one to be able to manipulate the environment about one in a simple arithmetical formula: more money equals more time.
You will note that those who have experienced the having of large amounts of your money have virtually no consciousness of idolatry towards that substance, but instead, having become fully aware of the ramifications of the having of artificial abundance, seek instead for truer reality, a clearer picture of the nature of the self. It is not that the fear of the loss of power is not there in potential, for all alike [out of] true sheer [habit], even artificial abundance can create a consciousness of prosperity which automatically generates abundance. However, because this removes a large portion of catalyst from the illusion, most souls which choose to incarnate upon the Earth plane elect to manifest in situations in which a consciousness of true abundance is absent and concern for survival creates consciousness of lack. How easy, how understandable, how logical to love money when the lack of it has caused numberless discomforts in one’s person and vivid experience. Thus, we say to you that you must not waste time being concerned that so many have the love of money fighting with the realization that true prosperity does not equal the idol called money.
Perhaps the most helpful thing we can suggest is that through meditation the consciousness of abundance may be encouraged, and as truth always drives out falsity, as love always drives out fear, so true abundance drives out the false idol. The consciousness of abundance does not mean that all that one wishes will come immediately, or at all, within any particular length of time or any incarnation. It means rather that there is an awareness that that which is to be shall come to one through natural plentifulness.
Observe those who have found abundance. Some may be wealthy and some quite poor, but what they have is an awareness of the excellence not only of life, but of the very life which is being lived by them. This is most often earned rather than given to them, especially among your people who are perturbed with great earnestness by their consciousness of lack. There are those whose happiness lies in children, those whose peace lies in love, others who find satisfaction in learning, still others, those who have the gift of being who they are. It takes a certain level of comfort to achieve the consciousness of abundance for most. It is difficult while starving to death to rejoice in the plenty all about one, yet there be spirits who have done so and gone to their graves singing in praise and thanksgiving for all the blessings which abounded in the creation of the Father.
Perhaps the second thing that we can offer to those who wish to be free of idolatry is a consciousness of other’s needs, for if stewardship of any gift and talent is expressed, then the gates of abundance open and one is flooded with plenty. We do not ask that you see money as a means to an end, we do not ask that you stop thinking about money. We do not ask any system of intellectual training whatsoever—we ask only that it be recognized that worship of that which is known is idolatry and is not a satisfactory way in which to polarize one’s path or to accelerate the pace of one’s journey upon it.
"
December 14, 1986

and

May 6, 1990 has "technology" as idol topic.

You can get it from the thread/person who copy pasted most of the sessions into docx format. He sent it via an email. The PDF versions listed elsewhere do not work for me in searching.
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04-13-2021, 07:47 AM,
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I use google with --> site:llresearch.org/transcripts/ <-- to search in all the transcripts.

So entering this in google:

love of money site:llresearch.org/transcripts/

gives this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=love+of+money+site%3Allresearch.org%2Ftranscripts%2F
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04-13-2021, 10:21 AM,
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(04-12-2021, 07:40 PM)Patrick Wrote:  
(04-12-2021, 06:44 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:  Thus to understand alien, one must understand planet and Earth. Why was there a problem communicating what galaxy was in the Confederation material?

That's a great question! It would seem that these things are not what we think they are. Star systems and galaxies are not what the current mainstream science believes them to be.

And we come back to where we started, everything is illusion and the "Outside World" or "Outside Universe" is not how we perceive it. Everything is Mind. I am, (therefore), I am Mind. The the next question? We all have a mutual, (unwritten agreement), as to Reality, (our mutual Realities). So, is the Reality of every individual different? We all agree an orange is an orange and it has a particular taste and flavour, (yet), your interpretation of an orange could be radically different to how I perceive it. In my "Worldview", only my interpretation is correct and you are following a false narrative. My Mind, my Absolute. That is the same for any Philosophical Interpretation on any subject. Whether it is oranges, Porsches, Perpignan, or anything. Then there is the "Thing" that somewhere does not exist unless you arrive. Patrick, I assume you are North American, and have not been to Europe? If you have not been to Europe, then it is only a probability, (or a possibility). I have travelled extensively across Europe and I know it exists. Then the other question, I have returned from Europe, and although I have experienced it, (and it is only a memory). Now, it has returned to being a probability because I am not there to observe it. You only agree that Europe exists because you have agreed that it is there, somewhere between Asia and the Atlantic Ocean. Your witness Councillor.
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04-13-2021, 10:27 AM,
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(04-13-2021, 10:21 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:  ...Patrick, I assume you are North American, and have not been to Europe? If you have not been to Europe, then it is only a probability, (or a possibility)...

Yes French Canadian and no never crossed the Atlantic yet. Sad

But it's definitely in our plans! I want to see Scotland in particular. So then it's going to look exactly as I imagined it? Maybe I can just do that siting here and save the money. Wink
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04-13-2021, 10:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-13-2021, 10:33 AM by Ymarsakar.)
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Patrick looks like the regional lord of Canada, upholding the network of leylines up there.

Regional, world, planetary, system lords, tend to stay in one location and root down and up.
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04-13-2021, 10:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-13-2021, 10:59 AM by Ming the Merciful.)
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(04-13-2021, 10:27 AM)Patrick Wrote:  
(04-13-2021, 10:21 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:  ...Patrick, I assume you are North American, and have not been to Europe? If you have not been to Europe, then it is only a probability, (or a possibility)...

Yes French Canadian and no never crossed the Atlantic yet. Sad

But it's definitely in our plans! I want to see Scotland in particular. So then it's going to look exactly as I imagined it? Maybe I can just do that siting here and save the money. Wink

If you are French-Canadian, (which you are), you would love France. I love France, and the further south you go, the better it gets. Northern France is more politically correct, while the south is laid back. It is because of the long summers and short winters, and southern France can be very hot in the summer. Everything takes time. I have travelled the length of the southern coast from Italy to Spain, (and beyond). However, it is not only France, (but), all of Western Europe. We have something in common because I used to live in Canada, in the Toronto area, (and yes), I have travelled coast-to-coast. Travel has always been my weakness in life, a natural "Wanderer". One thing you may find hard to believe. When I began learning Zen, my outlook changed regarding travel, and travelling. I now travel in "Zen". Or, whenever I travel, I make no plans. No schedules or anything pre-planned. You arrive at railway station somewhere, look at the departures board, and buy a ticket to the next destination. The best way to travel. The "Zen of Travel". Come to Europe Patrick, you would love it. You do not know what you are missing, and it is more sophisticated than North America, (that is not meant as a putdown). Europe is more sophisticated because of thousands of years of culture. I should be working for the European Union as a travel agent?

Your witness Councillor.

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04-13-2021, 11:55 AM,
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(04-13-2021, 10:27 AM)Patrick Wrote:  
(04-13-2021, 10:21 AM)Ming the Merciful Wrote:  ...Patrick, I assume you are North American, and have not been to Europe? If you have not been to Europe, then it is only a probability, (or a possibility)...

Yes French Canadian and no never crossed the Atlantic yet. Sad

But it's definitely in our plans! I want to see Scotland in particular. So then it's going to look exactly as I imagined it? Maybe I can just do that siting here and save the money. Wink

Hé cousin si tu passes par la Bretagne, fais-moi signe, je serai ravi de te rencontrer !
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04-13-2021, 07:17 PM,
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Oh START-ONE, un Breton ?? Un peu druide aussi ??? Trop bien !!!!! de la part d'une simple petite ancienne parisienne
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05-26-2021, 02:29 PM,
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The incoherence of our ordinary intuitions (Part I of the Analytic Idealism Course)

Quote:In this Part I of Essentia Foundation's Analytic Idealism Course, we investigate whether our ordinary intuitions about the nature of reality and the world at large can be true at all.



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06-01-2021, 07:32 PM,
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WOW. The mainstream are indeed awakening. That fills me with even more hope for this world. I'm going to burst in joy !  Heart



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06-02-2021, 09:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2021, 09:16 AM by Sena.)
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(03-26-2021, 07:22 PM)Patrick Wrote:  We know we have inner life, but we fail to apply this properly to the external world.

Matter is how our mental processes look like when observed from a certain perspective.

We can explain everything in terms of mentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWp0bnMBbM&t=40m45s
Patrick, thanks very much for the Youtube link. I am better able to assimilate information in print, so I found this:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/could-multiple-personality-disorder-explain-life-the-universe-and-everything/

"Could Multiple Personality Disorder Explain Life, the Universe and Everything?" by  Bernardo Kastrup, Adam Crabtree, Edward F. Kelly

A lengthy quote:

Quote:A key problem of physicalism, however, is its inability to make sense of how our subjective experience of qualities—what it is like to feel the warmth of fire, the redness of an apple, the bitterness of disappointment and so on—could arise from mere arrangements of physical stuff.

Physical entities such as subatomic particles possess abstract relational properties, such as mass, spin, momentum and charge. But there is nothing about these properties, or in the way particles are arranged in a brain, in terms of which one could deduce what the warmth of fire, the redness of an apple or the bitterness of disappointment feel like. This is known as the hard problem of consciousness.

To circumvent this problem, some philosophers have proposed an alternative: that experience is inherent to every fundamental physical entity in nature. Under this view, called “constitutive panpsychism,” matter already has experience from the get-go, not just when it arranges itself in the form of brains. Even subatomic particles possess some very simple form of consciousness. Our own human consciousness is then (allegedly) constituted by a combination of the subjective inner lives of the countless physical particles that make up our nervous system.

However, constitutive panpsychism has a critical problem of its own: there is arguably no coherent, non-magical way in which lower-level subjective points of view—such as those of subatomic particles or neurons in the brain, if they have these points of view—could combine to form higher-level subjective points of view, such as yours and ours. This is called the  combination problem and it appears just as insoluble as the hard problem of consciousness.

The obvious way around the combination problem is to posit that, although consciousness is indeed fundamental in nature, it isn’t fragmented like matter. The idea is to extend consciousness to the entire fabric of spacetime, as opposed to limiting it to the boundaries of individual subatomic particles. This view—called “cosmopsychism” in modern philosophy, although our preferred formulation of it boils down to what has classically been called “idealism”—is that there is only one, universal, consciousness. The physical universe as a whole is the extrinsic appearance of universal inner life, just as a living brain and body are the extrinsic appearance of a person’s inner life.

You don’t need to be a philosopher to realize the obvious problem with this idea: people have private, separate fields of experience. We can’t normally read your thoughts and, presumably, neither can you read ours. Moreover, we are not normally aware of what’s going on across the universe and, presumably, neither are you. So, for idealism to be tenable, one must explain—at least in principle—how one universal consciousness gives rise to multiple, private but concurrently conscious centers of cognition, each with a distinct personality and sense of identity.

And here is where dissociation comes in. We know empirically from DID that consciousness can give rise to many operationally distinct centers of concurrent experience, each with its own personality and sense of identity. Therefore, if something analogous to DID happens at a universal level, the one universal consciousness could, as a result, give rise to many alters with private inner lives like yours and ours. As such, we may all be alters—dissociated personalities—of universal consciousness."

This is indeed a landmark scientific discovery by Bernardo Kastrup et al. and confirms the Law of One teachings.
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