We the Choir Gather and We Learn to Sing Together
05-03-2021, 08:14 AM,
RE: We the Choir Gather and We Learn to Sing Together
(05-03-2021, 05:48 AM)Louisabell Wrote:  Jeremy, you’ve interwoven so many rich concepts that I have taken some time to consider what you have written. I add just a few of my own reflections.


(04-28-2021, 09:43 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  When I spoke of a "cultural concept of individuality" I was referring to scholarship I've read in the past that looked at identity through a historical and cultural lens. It's arguable that folks in earlier times did not have the same egoic concept that we do; indeed, the anthropology I've read suggests that before the humanist/rationalist advent of the Renaissance and Enlightenment, most people most of the time thought of themselves as members of a group or tribe first, and their individual agency flowed from this rather than the group flowing from personal commitment.

Surely a large contributor to this change in culture was the improvement in survival without needing allegiance to any group, as the necessity for familiar bonds were replaced by free movement and free trade? Reliance on other individuals never truly went away, but our ability to operate in the world anonymously has only grown. When a group or collective is relied upon for one’s survival, then it would be a completely rational choice to prioritise the collective’s will over the individual’s, as the individual can not perceive itself as an independent and separate entity (thereby making “banishment” a most severe punishment).

But at this stage, is there any difference in having a personality structure based on the material needs and desires of the individual versus those of the “survival” group? The modern “social yellow-ray matrix [which] acts upon us to create different possibilities of selfhood (quoting you)” offered here on Earth gives us more to choose from, more to navigate, more to balance. However, there is the hope that the diversity of choice could lead people to develop a flexibility of being, while partaking in the buffet of shifting personal identities. This flexibility then gives further potential of envisioning the self without a social yellow-ray matrix overlay, whatever that may look like.

It is my theory that the disciplines of the personality which lead to a transparency of self, creates a condition where our personality structures are replaced with service (or in other words, our best attempts to express the Creator’s will in whatever context of livingness that we inhabit). This focus towards service gives our lives meaning once explorations of personal and group power for their own sake no longer interest us. Ergo, we find ourselves needing once more the allegiance of the group in order to reach our potential for self-actualisation and to fulfill our function as we become more transparent beings focused on service.

I think the growing feeling of needing the group once again may cause feelings of resistance, feeling ourselves to be liberated from the more “primitive” condition of tribal group-mind, apprehension could be felt about regressing back to a condition which is an affront to our civilised selves. However in my opinion, this is trying to perceive a green-ray phenomena with yellow-ray consciousness.


(04-28-2021, 09:43 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  The goal, if I'm not completely off the mark, is not to subsume the self in the collective so much as to understand one's uniqueness as a perfect fit with the collective, and therefore there is no need for conflict. We express our full, true individuality through our participation in the collective, and the more the Creator is moving through that increasingly transparent personality of ours, the more we discover our authentic selves and our authentic place in things.

I would think that a cohesive collective, based on fourth-density ideals, needs a collective goal or “orientation" (11.17) that is not (or minimally so) at odds with any individual goals (both conscious and subconscious). This then greatly reducing any need for conflict, but not removing the potential for disagreement. And so, I do not see the entry price into social memory as just the personal desire to connect with others (even though there may be aspects of this), but the pure desire to serve, and seeing quite clearly that to join forces with others of like-mind is most efficacious in this undertaking. Therefore all elements of group-work dynamics, such as leadership, work delegation, decision making, etc., can be viewed in terms of competency which best achieves the overarching goal of service to others. It would then only make sense that the uniqueness of each individual is emphasised in an effort to better utilise the best that every person has to offer. I believe that it is this genuine and fully embodied collective goal of service that acts as great harmoniser and protector which can allow such a group to succeed in moving forward together towards the gateway (8.2).

*This has been something playing on my mind a lot lately, so any reflections on the above from anyone would be most welcome.


(04-28-2021, 09:43 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  I believe you are correct that it takes a great deal of light energy to maintain this vulnerability to others, and that that is the light energy we are building through processing catalyst, subtracting from our identities more and more of that which is not essential, and polarizing our ability to prosecute our heart's true desire as the biases reveal themselves. 

I am amazed at your ability to say so much in such concise elegance! Vulnerability is such an interesting term to use in this context, and it motivated me to do a bit of reading on the concept of vulnerability. I find it so interesting how in allowing ourselves to be vulnerable in a group, that we are doing something quite brave. So there is paradoxically great strength in vulnerability. I love this quote on the subject, “vulnerability is the willingness to show up and be seen in our lives.” Brene Brown.

This exchange between yourself and Jeremy has helped in more ways than one with a personal complication that resulted in days of contemplation, days and days of prayer and meditation. It is as if this text came in the way of a confirmation as if to say, "yes, you are looking in the correct direction".
It is most difficult to know anything when many hearts seem to be isolated and interdependent upon the inner workings of intuition and dream work so much so that Faith becomes a center point in a positive seeker's daily reality.
Well then, thank you LB and Jeremy.
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05-03-2021, 08:23 PM,
RE: We the Choir Gather and We Learn to Sing Together
(05-03-2021, 05:48 AM)Louisabell Wrote:  And so, I do not see the entry price into social memory as just the personal desire to connect with others (even though there may be aspects of this), but the pure desire to serve, and seeing quite clearly that to join forces with others of like-mind is most efficacious in this undertaking. Therefore all elements of group-work dynamics, such as leadership, work delegation, decision making, etc., can be viewed in terms of competency which best achieves the overarching goal of service to others. It would then only make sense that the uniqueness of each individual is emphasised in an effort to better utilise the best that every person has to offer. I believe that it is this genuine and fully embodied collective goal of service that acts as great harmoniser and protector which can allow such a group to succeed in moving forward together towards the gateway (8.2).

*This has been something playing on my mind a lot lately, so any reflections on the above from anyone would be most welcome.

It’s funny because it has been on my mind too. Mostly from a thread perhaps two weeks ago about money, I started marinating about how can we make things work differently, and I did come to this blissful feeling of sort of anonymity mixed with abilities and ... the actual courage to put it forward as in vulnerability... too funny.

As Ohr said, many thanks to both and to Ohr too, lol
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05-04-2021, 07:30 PM,
RE: We the Choir Gather and We Learn to Sing Together
(05-03-2021, 08:14 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:  This exchange between yourself and Jeremy has helped in more ways than one with a personal complication that resulted in days of contemplation, days and days of prayer and meditation. It is as if this text came in the way of a confirmation as if to say, "yes, you are looking in the correct direction".
It is most difficult to know anything when many hearts seem to be isolated and interdependent upon the inner workings of intuition and dream work so much so that Faith becomes a center point in a positive seeker's daily reality.
Well then, thank you LB and Jeremy.

(05-03-2021, 08:23 PM)flofrog Wrote:  It’s funny because it has been on my mind too.  Mostly from a thread perhaps two weeks ago about money, I started marinating about how can we make things work differently, and I did come to this blissful feeling of sort of  anonymity mixed with abilities and ... the actual courage to put it forward as in vulnerability... too funny.

As Ohr said, many thanks to both and to Ohr too, lol

Ah wonderful! I love synchronicities, and now I know why I wrote what I did. Maybe it stemmed from thoughts bubbling up from the collective unconscious. Smile And beautiful thoughts Ohr Ein Sof. I indeed believe that Faith is what binds us together in the most deepest sense. To have Faith that no matter the outside circumstance, at our cores we all want the same thing as we all originate from Love, while also carrying Faith in the intelligent design of our infinite uniqueness and the tremendous beauty possible therein.
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