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    Thread: Another way to interpret the Law of One, with Hans Wilhelm.


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    12-05-2020, 02:22 AM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2020, 02:28 AM by J.W..)
    Hello all,

    Tis the season, and much of my wisdom has grown exponentially within the few months I've been here. The pieces on the "chessboard" and the dynamic of how it can be play, especially regarding the light, and the love on the higher realm.

    I always find curiosity of how others express their "love" and "light" as it is a mirror of the self. But most of all, a light that shine is a light that guides or a light that cries for help.

    Whatever the case may be, it has been a thrill from a scientific standpoint, and a chilling, yet pleasant experience for the spiritual energy. Like skinny dipping into a frozen lake, refreshing. I am grateful for the interaction, positive or negative on here with others.

    And I hope you all will finish strong this year if you have made it this far already. Heart


    My mission from the very moment I set boots on bring4th is to leave an imprint, and a resonance for awakening seekers and strum the vibration wherever it resonate, or whom ever it resonate with.

    As the message from me has always been the same, either it was from a place of gentleness, or abrasiveness (you can go through my posts history) I dance between the pillars of Mercy and Severity.


    The message from me has always been to "look within." Some members might say it is my projection, and others "open up" themselves. I take a step back and I see that an imprint has been made, and message delivered.

    From my observation of bring4th's traffics, new seekers and young souls are still making consistence effort to "seek" their journey. Either from questions of morals, ethics, or just personal reflection of the self.

    As I see these light that shines, I feel the urge to reflect wherever and whenever it is possible.

    My original post is to warn awakening seekers from being fallen prey to negative polarity due to the fragility of the infantile stage of awakening souls. As one become more adept to the "chessboard." One question less of their actions, as wisdom becomes the guiding light. Thus the importance of "recognizing self."

    In this post, I intend to share a version of the Law of One that I find a bit easier to digest, compared to the transcripts between Ra and Don.
    This is not saying the transcript holds no value or isn't "clear," but the videos that Hans gives us provides a springboard effect for awakening seekers with their upward progression into the transcript between Don and Ra.

    With everything said, I respect the freewill and staying true to how I come forward with my message in this post and my other posts.

    "If it resonate with you, I am glad, if it doesn't, then you can leave it be."

    I do not preach or intend to cram my perspective onto others, but if you choke on it, then please exercise self Heimlich maneuver. A specific member seems to see it from this angle. Wink I assure you, your way of carefree and loving is also another "flavor" of expression.

    Without further adieu,

    I hope this video helps many, but if it help one, then it helped all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gKgLRabGeU


    With much light, Heart
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    12-06-2020, 05:05 AM
    I love Hans Wilhelm, he has a talent of explaining complex things in a very simple manner and using illustration.

    One that truly recommended is his video about "Idolatry" / "Putting people/things on the pedestal".
    https://youtu.be/WLvgFNHIv8s?t=214

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    12-06-2020, 01:49 PM
    (12-06-2020, 05:05 AM)jafar Wrote: I love Hans Wilhelm, he has a talent of explaining complex things in a very simple manner and using illustration.

    Personally, I find the Christian bigotry unappealing.  He claims that "Ascended Masters" who are not Christian cannot advance to the final stage because they do not embrace Jesus in particular.  If you look into the group from which he takes his material (that which publishes the stuff by Gabrielle), it is marinated in Christian bias.

    I find this not only unappealing, but perplexing because the stuff they are pushing is not in the Bible.  So, are they Christians appropriating New Age material or New Agers appropriating Christianity or something else?

    In any event, I wouldn't call it another way to interpret the Law of One.  It's another view of spiritual progression, but makes no mention of Oneness, nor does it act as if that is a major tenet of their particular philosophy.
        
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    12-06-2020, 01:53 PM
    Yeah I'm not sure what this has to do with the Law of One so much as another niche view of a potential spiritual process.

    Looks like it's interesting and may work well for some people, maybe not for others. I think that's why there are so many "systems" in the world, because everyone has different needs.
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    12-06-2020, 09:59 PM
    I appreciate both of peregrine and aions' "personal" comments,

    I agree that it is a different take on spiritual progression. But Hans' explanation of oneness and the source of "creation" can be found here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXFtvwd8G4

    His message does revolves around the universal love, and light of all creation. And the progression is to return to the infinite creator.

    This I find to be in alignment with the Law of One, (no pun intended,) even though the interpretation is different.

    Doesn't L/L say that they leave lawofone to our own interpretation in the first place?


    I do appreciate the narrowness of "personal" point of views, and a "selective" nature of how you refute specific narratives of anything I share, past, present, or future.

    I am sure this cycle will continue from my experience with both of you on the forum. In a way, I am thankful for the experience and the consistent "disagreements", but at the same time, it is becoming predictable and therefore I have placed a consistent message in my post regarding "If it resonate with you..."

    I am sorry if it didn't help you or "resonate" with your philosophy, to each their own I guess? like I said? Angel

    Quote: Yeah I'm not sure what this has to do with the Law of One so much as another niche view of a potential spiritual process.

    There is a contradicting reflection/mirror here in your statement, l/l and lawofone.info is also a "niche".. if we all see things as "this and that."

    Quote: I wouldn't call it another way to interpret the Law of One.


    Above video and explanation address that Hans point towards similar concept of universal love and creation, I never said it is the Law of One. Well, it is good to know you have the authority to call whatever you want to call things, much power to ya on your personal perspective Aion.


    Thank you for sharing your point of views, you two, wish ya'll a wonderful Christmas and happy new year. Wink Heart
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    12-06-2020, 10:13 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2020, 10:44 PM by Aion.)
    Oh L/L and the Ra Material are definitely a niche as well! I would never say otherwise.

    I think there's a bit of a crossed wire here. I was referring to the Law of One as per the name of the books of the Ra Material, I didn't mean "the Law of One" in general.
    When this thread was initially posted it was in the Strictly Law of One forum, which is referring to the Ra Material books, so hence my thought.
    I realize now this thread has been moved so my thought has lost its context a bit.

    Reading here I see that you're just talking about the Law of One in the sense of the actual principle or law, not the Law of One books. I would say that is not the first time that mix up has happened on here, it's a bit messy in terms of terminology.

    The path presented by Hans a perfectly valid way to approach spiritual progression and I even said that it looks like it would be appropriate for some people. I even supported the notion that different systems of thinking are beneficial to different people and I really believe that. I think it's great that there are people making effort to develop robust spiritual systems.

    In fact, I never refuted anything, but you are free to interpret my thoughts however you wish. (And the last quote there you attributed to me which I didn't even say, that was peregrine lol, which tells me you're kind of singled out on me, but whatever).

    If it works for you and I'm sure as it does for others, fantastic, keep on doing your thing! It's good you posted it for those who might find benefit in it. Thanks for sharing. (And I admit I could have maybe lead with that in my initial post.)

    I actually see some parallels between Hans' concepts and aspects of Kabbalah which is interesting.
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    12-06-2020, 10:21 PM
    This is an interesting thread.
    Might the problem here just be semantics?

    Unity is the basis for a lot of spiritual methodology.

    The grouping of the words “the Law of One”, at least here is kind of a specific thing.

    As soon as I saw the diagram in the video I knew what obvious connection was being made in the link, but the other stuff isn’t quite in alignment with the forums origin which is books titled “the Law of One”

    It’s another interpretation of unity. 100% the Law of One is the law of unity
    The stumbling block in this conversation is we are on a forum based of 5 specific books called “the Law of One” and the video isn’t an interpretation of those books.

    I think it’s just a semantics issue.

    The post title likely makes people come expecting something to do with the Ra channellings themself and the forums source just because of where in cyber space the conversation is happening.

    I think law of confusion has been witnessed here. Smile


    No harm no foul. Smile
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    12-06-2020, 10:23 PM
    Aion you beet me to it! My slow typing! Smile
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    12-06-2020, 10:23 PM
    (12-06-2020, 10:21 PM)Glow Wrote: This is an interesting thread.
    Might the problem here just be semantics?

    Unity is the basis for a lot of spiritual methodology.

    The grouping of the words “the Law of One”, at least here is kind of a specific thing.

    As soon as I saw the diagram in the video I knew what obvious connection was being made in the link, but the other stuff isn’t quite in alignment with the forums origin which is books titled “the Law of One”

    It’s another interpretation of unity. 100% the Law of One is the law of unity
    The stumbling block in this conversation is we are on a forum based of 5 specific books called “the Law of One” and the video isn’t an interpretation of those books.

    I think it’s just a semantics issue.

    The post title likely makes people come expecting something to do with the Ra channellings themself and the forums source just because of where in cyber space the conversation is happening.

    I think law of confusion has been witnessed here. Smile


    No harm no foul. Smile

    Bingo, that was my confusion, lol.
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    12-06-2020, 11:21 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2020, 11:21 PM by Aion.)
    Actually I would add it gets extra confusing because there is another book called "The Children of the Law of One & The Lost Teachings of Atlantis" by Jon Peniel which is again another totally different approach to the concept of the Law of One while still using the same phrase. There have been a few posters in the past who were familiar with this book and initially there were a lot of crossed wires just as people tried to navigate the overlapping terms.

    Perhaps the Strictly Law of One forum would be better named as the Strictly Ra Material forum just to try and alleviate this common confusion.
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    12-06-2020, 11:26 PM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2020, 12:19 AM by Aion.)
    Actually, I do have a question for you J.W. on the topic of the OP.

    You said you find Hans' system a bit easier to digest than the Ra Material, I am curious how you might describe those differences? I feel like it might help me contextualize the principle of the Law of One within that system, and also maybe give me a better insight as to your approach to applying the principle of "looking within".

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    12-06-2020, 11:27 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2020, 11:29 PM by Glow.)
    That is a really good point.

    Edit. The strictly Ra material comment.

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    12-07-2020, 12:32 AM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2020, 12:36 AM by J.W..)
    Aion, I do stand by you on the "confusion" and the exchange between you and Glow.

    No doubt, there was definitely law of confusion at work here with maximum power, lol, even in my own reply, I didn't realize that my response to yours and peregrine was mixed up. My apology, I will leave it as it is without edit and use this response as a correction to avoid further confusion if it is revisited later.

    On the other hand,

    Quote:Actually, I do have a question for you J.W. on the topic of the OP.

    You said you find Hans' system a bit easier to digest than the Ra Material, I am curious how you might describe those differences? I feel like it might help me contextualize the principle of the Law of One within that system, and also maybe give me a better insight as to your approach to applying the principle of "looking within".

    Hans uses illustration and keeps his videos shorts and concise, he tends to hit a lot core points regarding "oneness" and how to interpret the universal law in a manner that is more direct.

    In Ra material, Don and Ra conversated in a manner that falls under the notion of "raw" conversation between two entities, for example. Don often ask about Carla's condition and other things that skirt on the premises of Law of One teaching, and often times, topics are revisited here and there from random points of the entire channeling sessions. This leaves the reader having to understand the "message" from listening to a "conversation."

    Rather than picking up the "message" in a "illustration/explanation" like Han's videos.

    That is the difference between the two source in teaching of the Law of One.


    For "looking within"   this principle is a universal message that is the general foundation of all sources for teachings of the Law of One, not just from my own perspective.

    In Christianity, Christ spoke of seeking god within thyself.
    In Ra Materials, there are heavy emphasis on working on ones own path.

    etc. etc.  

    The intention of the OP is to share a piece of my experience where I found wisdom by interacting with other-selves on bring4th. This leads me to share my perspective and Hans video, in hope that others may find something that resonate within themselves through "other-self" which is "me. J.W." BigSmile

    All my posts from past to present, and the interaction on bring4th has always aimed at the mirroring layers of the "imprint" and "resonance" with "self" and "other-selves."

    My true self has never stepped on to bring4th, and only a projection of my-self is here. This projection of myself brings in the "experience" that is necessary for me to gain spiritual growth. Hence, I mentioned in the OP that I have "gained/grown" much from "being" here.

    hope this made sense,

    With much light Heart
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    12-07-2020, 12:42 AM
    (12-07-2020, 12:32 AM)J.W. Wrote: Aion, I do stand by you on the "confusion" and the exchange between you and Glow.

    No doubt, there was definitely law of confusion at work here with maximum power, lol, even in my own reply, I didn't realize that my response to yours and peregrine was mixed up. My apology, I will leave it as it is without edit and use this response as a correction to avoid further confusion if it is revisited later.

    On the other hand,


    Quote:Actually, I do have a question for you J.W. on the topic of the OP.

    You said you find Hans' system a bit easier to digest than the Ra Material, I am curious how you might describe those differences? I feel like it might help me contextualize the principle of the Law of One within that system, and also maybe give me a better insight as to your approach to applying the principle of "looking within".

    Hans uses illustration and keeps his videos shorts and concise, he tends to hit a lot core points regarding "oneness" and how to interpret the universal law in a manner that is more direct.

    In Ra material, Don and Ra conversated in a manner that falls under the notion of "raw" conversation between two entities, for example. Don often ask about Carla's condition and other things that skirt on the premises of Law of One teaching, and often times, topics are revisited here and there from random points of the entire channeling sessions. This leaves the reader having to understand the "message" from listening to a "conversation."

    Rather than picking up the "message" in a "illustration/explanation" like Han's videos.

    That is the difference between the two source in teaching of the Law of One.


    For "looking within"   this principle is a universal message that is the general foundation of all sources for teachings of the Law of One, not just from my own perspective.

    In Christianity, Christ spoke of seeking god within thyself.
    In Ra Materials, there are heavy emphasis on working on ones own path.

    etc. etc.  

    The intention of the OP is to share a piece of my experience where I found wisdom by interacting with other-selves on bring4th. This leads me to share my perspective and Hans video, in hope that others may find something that resonate within themselves through "other-self" which is "me. J.W."  BigSmile

    All my posts from past to present, and the interaction on bring4th has always aimed at the mirroring layers of the "imprint" and "resonance" with "self" and "other-selves."

    My true self has never stepped on to bring4th, and only a projection of my-self is here. This projection of myself brings in the "experience" that is necessary for me to have spiritual growth. Hence, I mentioned that I have gained much from "being" here.

    hope this made sense,

    With much light  Heart

    Ah I see what you are saying, I do feel like that kind of system is definitely helpful for visual learners or people who do well with example-based learning. With the Ra Material there is a lot more personal 'extraction' that has to take place in my eyes and this can certainly be deterring to some individuals so I see what you mean.

    I think I understand a bit better now where you're coming from in your sharing, and would echo that I share the sentiment. This is a quote from the Ra Material I like to share.

    Quote:17.30 ▶ Questioner: Well, if an entity wants to learn ways of it, wants to be of service to others rather than service to self while he is in this third density, are there best ways of being of service to others, or is any way just as good as any other way?

    Ra: I am Ra. The best way to be of service to others has been explicitly covered in previous material.* We will iterate briefly.

    The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

    Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

    I would also add as a minor note that I have no ill will or contention towards you and while I may not always be the most tactful, I can certainly admit, there is no intent on my part to harm. I feel like we started off on a bit of a rough foot and want to clear the air that I have no form of animosity of any sort.

    I wish you stay well and much love.
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    12-07-2020, 01:29 AM
    I am glad Aion, and my view is the same. Nothing was, or ever been personal with you or anyone on the forum. So no worries! the air is clear Aion. BigSmile

    We're all just "dancing," and sometimes we misstep.

    This is what brings us all together, as we both know ourselves and other-selves.

    We learn and we move forward, that is all.   Smile

    From the bottom of my heart, I wish everyone to be well through these times, and encourage all to keep going. We are almost there!



    With much love and light Heart
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    12-07-2020, 01:42 AM
    ❤️ dancing is a good term. We all try, yet missteps are inevitable. Smile
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    12-07-2020, 01:49 AM
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    12-07-2020, 02:00 AM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2020, 02:06 AM by Glow.)
    (12-07-2020, 01:49 AM)J.W. Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABMZEJezj0

    Holy crumb! That was incredibly beautiful!
    I’m always blown away when someone has that much talent, good god.

    I’m so glad she shares it. I actually subscribe which I rarely do.

    That was amazing thanks you for sharing that.
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    12-07-2020, 02:12 AM
    LOL

    "I don't speak French!"

    Really nice voice, she has a lot of potential.
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    12-08-2020, 05:08 PM
    (12-06-2020, 01:49 PM)peregrine Wrote:
    (12-06-2020, 05:05 AM)jafar Wrote: I love Hans Wilhelm, he has a talent of explaining complex things in a very simple manner and using illustration.
    Personally, I find the Christian bigotry unappealing.  He claims that "Ascended Masters" who are not Christian cannot advance to the final stage because they do not embrace Jesus in particular.  If you look into the group from which he takes his material (that which publishes the stuff by Gabrielle), it is marinated in Christian bias.

    It's understandable for Hans Wilhelm to be heavily influenced by Christianity (the religion), as that's the 'cultural context' that he was born into.

    But it should not be a stoppage to love him and / or his talent isn't it?

    I see Hans own understanding is 'evolving' as time progress, as we all are...

    But I'm curious, on which video he said that those who are not Christian will not advance to the 'final stage'.

    His explanation about putting 'things' on a pedestal resonate well with me.
    https://youtu.be/WLvgFNHIv8s?t=214
    And I think that also include putting 'religion/ideology/group identity' or figure such as Jesus on a pedestal as well.


    Quote:I find this not only unappealing, but perplexing because the stuff they are pushing is not in the Bible.  So, are they Christians appropriating New Age material or New Agers appropriating Christianity or something else?

    I would say they are people who are going through evolution of understanding...
    But at least Hans is humble enough to mention that he do not try to make the viewer accept his idea, and advice only accept his idea which resonate well.

    I myself was born into an environment where it's heavily influenced with Christianity.
    And have come to an understanding that Christianity, the religion, is a political construct / ideology with domination as it's main goal.
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    12-09-2020, 12:59 AM
    (12-08-2020, 05:08 PM)jafar Wrote: But I'm curious, on which video he said that those who are not Christian will not advance to the 'final stage'.
      
    This is the video link in the OP. 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gKgLRabGeU

    The related verbiage begins around 13:45.  He says "Ascended Masters" are well meaning and sometimes associated with Eastern religious, but are unaware that they are deficient--and incapable of "going to heaven"--owing to their ignorance of Jesus Christ.  No justification is given for the Christian supremacy ideology.  I guess you're just supposed to know about that.

    What you make of it is up to you.  Personally, I suspect its a trap, a way to help people feel comfortable in their fear.  But I could be wrong about that.
       

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    12-09-2020, 02:11 AM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2020, 02:12 AM by J.W..)
    Quote: 17.11 Questioner: Yes. What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

    Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth* density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth* density, representing the fifth-density* understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.
    * This should be fourth. Ra corrects the error in the next answer.

    Quote: 17.21 Questioner: Then [in] which density does the entity known as Jesus now reside?

    Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless though unimportant. This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth density, also called the light vibration.

    Jesus Christ is a "representation" of pure love/Light.

    Also, Hans interpretation of Christ isn't viewed from a "religious" perspective, but more of "what" Christ is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7nBq4f5Sx0&t=8s (This video he explains about the Christ Spark.)

    The "ascended masters" he speak of falls closely to Negative polarized entities in higher density. Why do I say this?

    Because at 14:18 in the first video, Hans explained that the planets are called "wisdom" planets, which means the "ascended masters" aren't much for the "love" or green ray chakra that Christ posses. Therefore they cannot "return" to the infinite creator, because they view themselves as "separate" and "complete."

    All of this sounds 100% aligned with what we understand about negative polarize entities at the "last" density... where they have to flip polarity and realize that everything is one... aka universal Love.

    I hope this helps,

    Yes, Hans have different ways to interpret his messages and illustration. But the overall message is "spiritual growth"... not religion, he even made a video about that.

    With much light,
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    12-09-2020, 02:38 AM
    Sounds like this is along the lines of "Christ Consciousness" concept?

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    12-09-2020, 08:16 AM
      
    With all due respect, what this guy teaches are basic Christian distortions dressed up in recently expropriated concepts such as karma and energy centers.  He teaches that mankind is "fallen" due to the influence of Satana (a female Satan) and that Christ's "redemption" is necessary for you to return to a heavenly state.

    This concept of devolution and redemption is antithetical to the Confederation concepts of continuous evolution and it contradicts the Confederation idea that Jesus was one dedicated wanderer among many, not a critical personage necessary for anyone's "return to God."  (The "Christ Spark" is not about Christ consciousness, it's the stamp of approval on your return ticket to Christian heaven following your rebellious departure therefrom.)

    Also, the portion about the Ascended Masters has nothing to do with negativity.  They are simply deemed inferior because they do not adopt a Christian thought construct.

    So, it seems quite clear that this material is mixed: partly general beneficial talk of spiritual developement and partly your basic Christian attempt to expropriate spiritual power and authority through an inability to open up to other systems of becoming intimate with Spirit.  In some sense it is a negative philosophy because it accretes authority by diminishing other systems of devotion and spiritual evolution, it appears to me.

    I'm sorry if this view is offensive to anyone.  I'm just trying to be truthful and clear.
      
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    12-09-2020, 12:11 PM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2020, 01:32 PM by Diana.)
    (12-09-2020, 12:59 AM)peregrine Wrote: The related verbiage begins around 13:45.  He says "Ascended Masters" are well meaning and sometimes associated with Eastern religious, but are unaware that they are deficient--and incapable of "going to heaven"--owing to their ignorance of Jesus Christ.  No justification is given for the Christian supremacy ideology.  I guess you're just supposed to know about that.

    What you make of it is up to you.  Personally, I suspect its a trap, a way to help people feel comfortable in their fear.  But I could be wrong about that.
       

    The idea that one must believe that Christ died for our sins (whether or not the individual known as Christ believed it) and one can only be saved through him (Christ) in order to "go to heaven" is, to me, certainly fear-based.

    I do think each individual finds their own way, and walks their own path. But organized religions have hijacked human consciousness for millennia. I would hope controlling myths (my term) such as redemption through Christ will fade as humanity becomes more aware of the fear and separation that is based on. And that a desire to seek unity, even if it is less cozy and takes more courage to face the unknown, will surface and supersede the hold religions continue to have over Earth's population.
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    12-09-2020, 02:49 PM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2020, 02:52 PM by J.W..)
    Quote: I'm sorry if this view is offensive to anyone. I'm just trying to be truthful and clear.

    Quote: With all due respect

    A well written personal review on Hans work. If you want an "A" you earned it.

    But where you fell short is that you don't seem to have the ability to read between the line.

    Myself, Hans, and others have already mentioned that no one is forcing this on anyone. Which means, you take what resonate and leave what doesn't. Even the communication between Ra and Don are distorted in some ways, and you're not suppose to take everything in like a faithful zealot. You're suppose to seek your own path and your own truth.

    This seems to fly right over your head though, and you dress up your pessimistic view point with "modesty."

    Take a step back and look at the post as a whole, everyone was on a positive note and you come in with "its a trap!" and "fear" when literally no one is here to spread "Christianity." The OP wasn't even aimed at this.

    We are sharing how the explanation of Hans, as in... "reincarnation," "karma," "oneness," are relevant to Law of One and spiritual development..

    Dive bombing into a weak point to prove an overall concept as flawed seems to be your consistent goal.

    But I am not gonna tolerate that, because this behavior is becoming predictable, and you seem to get a kick out of it. When we first meet, there were weight to your "criticism," but now I can see it is a "reactive" nature, so it loses creditability over the many attempts you have made.

    I respect your opinion going forward, but my response to you will be minimal because I see that this is a game you play. Hey look, "with all due respect, and not trying to offend you." But, no thank you for the game invite.

    no matter how much myself, or anyone telling you to relax, no one is here to shake your foundation of belief... you seems to not get this. And if you are here to "prevent" people from falling into a "trap."

    Well, good job? on preventing.. yourself from falling into a "trap" maybe?


    I hope you find your truth and some true peace one day through your skepticism. (It's good to question everything, don't get me wrong.)

    With much light
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    12-09-2020, 03:14 PM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2020, 04:12 PM by J.W..)
    (12-09-2020, 12:11 PM)Diana Wrote:
    (12-09-2020, 12:59 AM)peregrine Wrote: The related verbiage begins around 13:45.  He says "Ascended Masters" are well meaning and sometimes associated with Eastern religious, but are unaware that they are deficient--and incapable of "going to heaven"--owing to their ignorance of Jesus Christ.  No justification is given for the Christian supremacy ideology.  I guess you're just supposed to know about that.

    What you make of it is up to you.  Personally, I suspect its a trap, a way to help people feel comfortable in their fear.  But I could be wrong about that.
       

    The idea that one must believe that Christ died for our sins (whether or not the individual known as Christ believed it) and one can only be saved through him (Christ) in order to "go to heaven" is, to me, certainly fear-based.

    I do think each individual finds their own way, and walks their own path. But organized religions have hijacked human consciousness for millennia. I would hope controlling myths (my term) such as redemption through Christ will fade as humanity becomes more aware of the fear and separation that is based on. And that a desire to seek unity, even if it is less cozy and takes more courage to face the unknown, will surface and supersede the hold religions continue to have over Earth's population.

    From a religious point of view and indoctrination, this is completely valid.

    But, it is love and light that will return you to the infinite creator, not specifically Christ.

    I think you got it mixed up from peregrine's "fear" based review of Hans work.

    If you are not too locked in already with your perspective, this video might help alleviate that point of view.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJKkQnJiVc


    Again, I hope you didn't get too swayed by peregrine's opinion on my OP intention. It's not here to spread religions, or follow "Christ," Not all of Hans illustrations are about his own personal point of view. (And even if it is, he doesn't force it on people like "religion" does.)

    He speak of Karma, Reincarnation, Oneness and love.

    But if we start fixating into "fear" then the percentage of polarity that Ra speaks of can easily be made into a "requirement" to go to "heaven." A "fear-based" concept that both you and I despise, but that's not the case you see... It's how you understand it. As long as it is not "forced." Do you see anything being forced here with Hans or what I share?

    Quote: 47.6 Questioner: Well, what I was actually asking was if 50% is required for graduation from third to fourth in the positive sense, 95% is required for graduation in the negative sense, does this have to more closely approach 100% in both cases for graduation from fourth to fifth? Does an entity have to be 99% polarized for negative and maybe 80% polarized for positive graduation from fourth to fifth?

    Ra: I am Ra. We perceive the query now.
    To give this in your terms is misleading for there are, shall we say, visual aids or training aids available in fourth density which automatically aid the entity in polarization while cutting down extremely upon the quick effect of catalyst. Thus the density above yours must take up more space/time.
    The percentage of service to others of positively oriented entities will harmoniously approach 98% in intention. The qualifications for fifth density, however, involve understanding. This then, becomes the primary qualification for graduation from fourth to fifth density. To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception. It may be measured by light. The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting.


    And to conclude it all, no, there is no "technical" "requirement" but how you perceive "light" is what get you to "heaven" Per se. (wherever your heaven may be.)

    The overall message is Love... and Light... and everything else are just "visual aids and training aids." This is the undistorted initial intention, to share different "interpretation." "visual and training aids."

    projection of peregrine's own interpretation of any original intention has been a thing from the first time I met peregrine. In a way, it is helpful because it reminds everyone that we should question everything, but hopefully their energy doesn't consume the original message.

    With much light,
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    12-09-2020, 06:05 PM
    (12-09-2020, 02:49 PM)J.W. Wrote:
    Quote: I'm sorry if this view is offensive to anyone.  I'm just trying to be truthful and clear.

    Quote: With all due respect

    A well written personal review on Hans work. If you want an "A" you earned it.

    But where you fell short is that you don't seem to have the ability to read between the line.

    Myself, Hans, and others have already mentioned that no one is forcing this on anyone. Which means, you take what resonate and leave what doesn't. Even the communication between Ra and Don are distorted in some ways, and you're not suppose to take everything in like a faithful zealot. You're suppose to seek your own path and your own truth.  

    This seems to fly right over your head though, and you dress up your pessimistic view point with "modesty."

    Take a step back and look at the post as a whole, everyone was on a positive note and you come in with "its a trap!" and "fear" when literally no one is here to spread "Christianity." The OP wasn't even aimed at this.

    We are sharing how the explanation of Hans, as in... "reincarnation," "karma," "oneness," are relevant to Law of One and spiritual development..

    Dive bombing into a weak point to prove an overall concept as flawed seems to be your consistent goal.

    But I am not gonna tolerate that, because this behavior is becoming predictable, and you seem to get a kick out of it. When we first meet, there were weight to your "criticism," but now I can see it is a "reactive" nature, so it loses creditability over the many attempts you have made.

    I respect your opinion going forward, but my response to you will be minimal because I see that this is a game you play. Hey look, "with all due respect, and not trying to offend you." But, no thank you for the game invite.

    no matter how much myself, or anyone telling you to relax, no one is here to shake your foundation of belief... you seems to not get this. And if you are here to "prevent" people from falling into a "trap."

    Well, good job? on preventing.. yourself from falling into a "trap" maybe?  


    I hope you find your truth and some true peace one day through your skepticism. (It's good to question everything, don't get me wrong.)

    With much light

    LOL

    I haven't looked at the work of Hans. But you should probably hold up a mirror. You are playing your own game and it is perfectly transparent. YOU are not an arbiter of truth and YOU do not get to determine that someone else's view is a sarcastic "A" or not. If you want to preach and be the guru find an audience of sheep. There are no guru's here, and while you will certainly say you agree and blah blah blah, all you ever do is try to preach and tell other people they are wrong.

    I have 10x as much respect for Peregrine as I do for you.

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    12-09-2020, 11:07 PM
    (12-09-2020, 03:14 PM)J.W. Wrote: But, it is love and light that will return you to the infinite creator, not specifically Christ.

    What you say Hans says is not what Hans actually says.  It's that simple.

    At the end of the video he promotes Christian books.  That's fine for what it is.  I am simply pointing out the clear distinctions between this information and Confederation teachings.

    I'm not dismissing Christianity, but one should be mindful that the distortions towards power and oppression inherent therein should be seen for what they are.  Any system inviting discipleship deserves fair scrutiny, I would say.

    Oh, by the way, it seems to me that Dtris has a fair point about your scorn and sarcasm.
       

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    12-11-2020, 04:02 PM
    Very immature energies from both of you.

    With best of luck to you two.
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