Serving others and marijuana

[sillypumpkins]

Is it possible to smoke marijuana and polarize positively?

I hold this notion that in order to truly polarize positively, you have to relinquish that sort of thing. I've had my own issues with addiction in this life, which has given way to some shame, so I don't know if this is distorted or not. The other part of me tells me that it'd violate free will if we couldn't partake in that sort of thing.

Obviously if you are smoking/ingesting cannabis 24/7, there is going to be some obvious blowback. If you're smoking before bed though, I don't really see the harm in it. Although I do acknowledge that people don't typically get high for others, they tend to get high for themselves. I can't even think of a scenario in which someone would get high for another person. So, to me, it's clear that this sort of thing is a STS oriented action.

So, in my mind, if someone wanted to polarize positively say 95%+/5%-, then yeah, they might want to consider kicking the substances. However, if someone isn't aiming for that degree of positive polarity, I don't really see the harm. As long as they are still serving others more than they are serving themselves.

Whenever I think about this, it's like a mess in my mind. I'd like to hear what you guys think about this particular topic.

[kristina]

Obviously if you are smoking/ingesting cannabis 24/7, there is going to be some obvious blowback. If you're smoking before bed though, I don't really see the harm in it. Although I do acknowledge that people don't typically get high for others, they tend to get high for themselves. I can't even think of a scenario in which someone would get high for another person. So, to me, it's clear that this sort of thing is a STS oriented action.

This is not an STS sort of scenario at all. Perhaps it could be a little self centered but only the ingestor knows that, right?
Actually, I think of a person wanting to stay high every day at best would make them neutral depending on the way the drug made them feel. Some people feel very motivated on this drug while others feel lethargic. So, we have that. To measure something STS or STO we would actually have to look at the heart of another human being which we really cannot do. Although, there are times where the actions of another is blantantly so. Like for instance, enslaving others and manipulating them such as our governments or Big Pharma. This could be labeled STS. Then to have another human being who tries to assist others while balancing that with the love of itself. We could see this as STO. However, things get muddled when we are nit picking actions such as the act of selfishness. It could be a result of confusion or a result of some type of trauma where the person was abused or they are learning what selfishness means to them in this lifetime. This is where the line of judging one another as STS and STO gets muddled. The best that I find is to allow the other human being to be as he or she is and if you cannot, then search the interior of yourself and ask why does it bother you or make you question their actions. The answer will come if the desire to understand is there.
Of course this is based upon my own experience when I had similar questions as this.

[AnthroHeart]

STS is power over others. Nothing about smoking marijuana has this trait.

I can produce the feeling of being about 5/10 stoned just by my mind, though it takes a few minutes and builds over time.

Something about the energy of weed. I can tune into this energy and feel it.

So I don't smoke it.

Anyway, feeling pure bliss goes way beyond a weed high for me.

[hounsic]

For me cannabis is a gift (medicine) from the earth and has definitely played a part in my awakening process. Like anything it can be abused and isn't for everyone but you are your only judge and you alone get to choose how to use it.

[sillypumpkins]

Thanks for the replies everybody :-)

[unity100]

Is it possible to smoke marijuana and polarize positively?

I hold this notion that in order to truly polarize positively, you have to relinquish that sort of thing.

No particular relevance in between marijuana and polarity. Its what you do with your actions that matters.

[Infinite]

Not directly. First of all, I not defend the constant use of drugs to spiritual purposes. Only to some kind of introductory peek through the veil. That penetration of the veil can show blockages, limitations and distortions of the entity. From that experience, the seek for the truth can lead the person to polarize towards STO.

[Alexis]

If you grew the plant for yourself to consume, is it self serving?

[sillypumpkins]

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's helpful reading all different perspectives.

I feel I have a lot of hangups in regards to my drug (marijuana) use and my spiritual journey, so to speak. I often go from subtly vilifying my own drug use to telling myself "this is all part of the journey, do whatever feels right." So this Q is something I've asked a lot of people, particularly on forums such as this.

[kristina]

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's helpful reading all different perspectives.

I feel I have a lot of hangups in regards to my drug (marijuana) use and my spiritual journey, so to speak. I often go from subtly vilifying my own drug use to telling myself "this is all part of the journey, do whatever feels right." So this Q is something I've asked a lot of people, particularly on forums such as this.


 

It is kind of like you are trying to judge a situation. It seems like you maybe trying to do this. As in should I or not? Healthy or unhealthy? I like it when I consider another way it lets me know I am open to something else if I so choose.
Strike the work "hang up" from your personal dictionary when you describe yourself perhaps. Try to give yourself less to be concerned with and hang ups can make us worrisome. I love coffee and I drink it every morning, have for years. I know it's not marjuana, but I've had decaf in the morning and I know I am addicted to caffeinated coffee. I don't care though. I love it. I love everything about it. I don't drink all day but when I have it in the morning, I drink until I am done. I brush my teeth and I am off to work. Some seekers don't use even caffeine. I admire them for that even though I use it. Its what I do. If you feel your marijuana use stands in the way of your journey, reconsider. If it does not, continue on. Trust me, I have a feeling that The Creator is ok experiencing this with you. I wish I could smoke it but it makes me so crazy high and I hallucinate. The feeling of floating is nice but that ultra highness, yikes. Good luck. I think you seem like you know what to do next. You seem strong in your journey.

[Pacer19]

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's helpful reading all different perspectives.

I feel I have a lot of hangups in regards to my drug (marijuana) use and my spiritual journey, so to speak. I often go from subtly vilifying my own drug use to telling myself "this is all part of the journey, do whatever feels right." So this Q is something I've asked a lot of people, particularly on forums such as this.


 

Hi - New here. This thread and comment above really resonates with me. I will say this is where I am at right now. I believe that my judging of self because I feel like I have to be a certain way does more damage to self then just accepting that it is part of my life and consciousnessly remaining moderate. I far too often get caught in my own head and if it wasn't for smoking weed I wouldn't be able to "View from above". Although, with practice I hope to accomplish this naturally without any drugs. For now I believe I should judge less, accept more and with time it will fade away if it no longer serves.

[sillypumpkins]

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's helpful reading all different perspectives.

I feel I have a lot of hangups in regards to my drug (marijuana) use and my spiritual journey, so to speak. I often go from subtly vilifying my own drug use to telling myself "this is all part of the journey, do whatever feels right." So this Q is something I've asked a lot of people, particularly on forums such as this.


 

Hi - New here. This thread and comment above really resonates with me. I will say this is where I am at right now. I believe that my judging of self because I feel like I have to be a certain way does more damage to self then just accepting that it is part of my life and consciousnessly remaining moderate. I far too often get caught in my own head and if it wasn't for smoking weed I wouldn't be able to "View from above". Although, with practice I hope to accomplish this naturally without any drugs. For now I believe I should judge less, accept more and with time it will fade away if it no longer serves.

Thank you for the reply! I'm glad the post resonates with you.

Your comment resonates with me as well, so thanks for that. I feel more confident now.

[GlowingEyes]

First and foremost, this post is not to glorify drugs or drug use. It's to give my own experience, and simply that.

I'm replying to this as someone who's smoked a lot (A LOT!) of weed and also a fair amount of drug use. I'm 35 now, but when I first smoked weed in high school, I thought it was amazing and was able to perceive things/reality in a new light or perspective. I remember specifically thinking the first time I got high that everyone was lying to me about not doing drugs and that marijuana was fun and insightful. At age 20/21, I turned into a huge pothead. I'll also add, I tripped really heavily on mushrooms for the first time at that age also, and that was an experience I can't fully explain; that one experience condensed and surpassed all other spiritual/religious experiences at that time in my life, and it was something I was not expecting. I know now, and I found out even before I discovered (or it found me) the Law of One material that hallucinogenic drugs are or can be deeply spiritual. It says this about LSD- "There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without control, to tap into energy sources." I was having experiences where I was communing and interacting with "beings of light and love,' 'The Creator,' etc. etc.

On one hand, hallucinogenic drugs have been an amazing gift and adventure in my life. They helped open me up in ways to explore and seek the truth that I know would have been nearly impossible without those experiences. A person can read and study this material or other religious paths, but hallucinogenics is almost a 'shortcut'- it's an actual experience. My soul and spirit became known to me through such use. I experienced Love, not just contemplated it. Yet, on the other hand, there's a very serious danger or risk related. Doing heavy doses of hallucinogenics can be scary at times; medically it's a severe drug induced psychosis. There can definitely be a sort of Matrix "red pill" impact where you discover a new deeper reality but come through the other side just to be equally more confused with having experienced a deeper truth but struggle to find or be able to put it in into context in this 'normal reality.' For me, it was worth it and greatly desired. I wanted the truth at any cost. I identify greatly with this statement from Ra- " Each seeker will experience each archetype in the characteristics within the complex of the archetype which are most important to it. An example of this would be the observation of the questioner that the Fool is described in such and such a way. One great aspect of this archetype is the aspect of faith, the walking into space without regard for what is to come next. This is, of course, foolish but is part of the characteristic of the spiritual neophyte. " To say I "walked into space without regard for what is to come next" is an understatement- I sprinted. I considered myself both strong and brave enough to explore those worlds. I acknowledged early on that I wanted to know real answers about God and this existence, and I sought such with an infinite fervency and passion that would very easily be deemed foolish. I both accepted and allowed myself to experience and indulge in any "pleasures" I so desired. Now that's not to say I was a complete degenerate. I was honest with myself. I had so much love for life and for others, that in my deep inner self and soul it felt right to pursue my course, even against what could be seen by others as "sinful" or "wrong." My intentions, I knew, were pure in essence.

At 35, I rarely smoke weed anymore, which I thought that day would never come. It feels very natural for me, and I don't feel like I'm fighting the urge to want to smoke- if I did, or when I do, I smoke. I was a ski bum out west for some years and then lived in Hawaii for a while also- basically I was a full time adventurous hippy for my 20's. It's all been part of my journey, and during those years, marijuana was one of my main sidekicks. It helped me in a lot of ways, and was fun. It was a tool that helped me get to my "initiatory" experiences- paranormal, miraculous, etc. Through those experiences I was directly lead to the Law of One material. Before I found the Law of One, I was already aligned with it's message and information. My poetry and writings mirrored exactly what's relayed in the Law of One- "the One Infinity, The Infinity that's One, Love, The Creator, The Maker, The Being and Energy of Light and Love, etc." Ra says this though- "To attempt to reproduce an initiatory experience is to move, shall we say, backwards." For me, now, I've moved forward in my life and spiritual journey, and don't feel the need or desire to smoke weed habitually, and would feel if I were to, to be "backwards" for me.

Smoking weed was right for me. That's your decision and choice now. It sounds like you've come to this already, but if you decide to do it, allow yourself some grace and humility and accept that it doesn't make you bad, evil, wrong, etc. If you feel guilt or shame, contemplate why. My advice, is just know that it's you, exploring you. Hope this help- Adonai!

[sillypumpkins]

First and foremost, this post is not to glorify drugs or drug use. It's to give my own experience, and simply that.

I'm replying to this as someone who's smoked a lot (A LOT!) of weed and also a fair amount of drug use. I'm 35 now, but when I first smoked weed in high school, I thought it was amazing and was able to perceive things/reality in a new light or perspective. I remember specifically thinking the first time I got high that everyone was lying to me about not doing drugs and that marijuana was fun and insightful. At age 20/21, I turned into a huge pothead. I'll also add, I tripped really heavily on mushrooms for the first time at that age also, and that was an experience I can't fully explain; that one experience condensed and surpassed all other spiritual/religious experiences at that time in my life, and it was something I was not expecting. I know now, and I found out even before I discovered (or it found me) the Law of One material that hallucinogenic drugs are or can be deeply spiritual. It says this about LSD- "There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without control, to tap into energy sources." I was having experiences where I was communing and interacting with "beings of light and love,' 'The Creator,' etc. etc.

On one hand, hallucinogenic drugs have been an amazing gift and adventure in my life. They helped open me up in ways to explore and seek the truth that I know would have been nearly impossible without those experiences. A person can read and study this material or other religious paths, but hallucinogenics is almost a 'shortcut'- it's an actual experience. My soul and spirit became known to me through such use. I experienced Love, not just contemplated it. Yet, on the other hand, there's a very serious danger or risk related. Doing heavy doses of hallucinogenics can be scary at times; medically it's a severe drug induced psychosis. There can definitely be a sort of Matrix "red pill" impact where you discover a new deeper reality but come through the other side just to be equally more confused with having experienced a deeper truth but struggle to find or be able to put it in into context in this 'normal reality.' For me, it was worth it and greatly desired. I wanted the truth at any cost. I identify greatly with this statement from Ra- " Each seeker will experience each archetype in the characteristics within the complex of the archetype which are most important to it. An example of this would be the observation of the questioner that the Fool is described in such and such a way. One great aspect of this archetype is the aspect of faith, the walking into space without regard for what is to come next. This is, of course, foolish but is part of the characteristic of the spiritual neophyte. " To say I "walked into space without regard for what is to come next" is an understatement- I sprinted. I considered myself both strong and brave enough to explore those worlds. I acknowledged early on that I wanted to know real answers about God and this existence, and I sought such with an infinite fervency and passion that would very easily be deemed foolish. I both accepted and allowed myself to experience and indulge in any "pleasures" I so desired. Now that's not to say I was a complete degenerate. I was honest with myself. I had so much love for life and for others, that in my deep inner self and soul it felt right to pursue my course, even against what could be seen by others as "sinful" or "wrong." My intentions, I knew, were pure in essence.

At 35, I rarely smoke weed anymore, which I thought that day would never come. It feels very natural for me, and I don't feel like I'm fighting the urge to want to smoke- if I did, or when I do, I smoke. I was a ski bum out west for some years and then lived in Hawaii for a while also- basically I was a full time adventurous hippy for my 20's. It's all been part of my journey, and during those years, marijuana was one of my main sidekicks. It helped me in a lot of ways, and was fun. It was a tool that helped me get to my "initiatory" experiences- paranormal, miraculous, etc. Through those experiences I was directly lead to the Law of One material. Before I found the Law of One, I was already aligned with it's message and information. My poetry and writings mirrored exactly what's relayed in the Law of One- "the One Infinity, The Infinity that's One, Love, The Creator, The Maker, The Being and Energy of Light and Love, etc." Ra says this though- "To attempt to reproduce an initiatory experience is to move, shall we say, backwards." For me, now, I've moved forward in my life and spiritual journey, and don't feel the need or desire to smoke weed habitually, and would feel if I were to, to be "backwards" for me.  

Smoking weed was right for me. That's your decision and choice now. It sounds like you've come to this already, but if you decide to do it, allow yourself some grace and humility and accept that it doesn't make you bad, evil, wrong, etc. If you feel guilt or shame, contemplate why. My advice, is just know that it's you, exploring you. Hope this help- Adonai!

Hey GlowingEyes,

Thank you much for sharing your experience!

I will remember your words of advice. Thank you.