Perpetual childhood 20.25
08-10-2018, 05:26 PM,
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(08-09-2018, 12:39 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:  I would say it isn't uncommon to encounter a person who has, as Ra put it, "learned/taught themselves the appropriate distortions for rapid growth" and have opened their heart, moving into the initial stages of spiritual maturity. As Ra implies, it is obviously more common to encounter those in a spiritual childhood,

At this point it would be wise to note that Ra does not speak of a spiritual childhood in that quote, but a perpetual childhood, which apparently is intended to mean the life of entities on this planet. It is also noted that entities who taught themselves effective learning techniques could effect rapid growth - as quoted in austin's post.

So its not a perpetual spiritual childhood. Its incarnational childhood, if one may say so.

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Then again, maybe one case of perpetual spiritual childhood can be shown from the example of entities from Mars, for there seems to be a repeating pattern there:

These entities destroyed their planet, using the over-advanced tools given to them. Then, instead of having to face the consequences of their act and mature, they were saved by a certain group of guardians, which transported them to this planet in cloned bodies.

Then, here, another stint of destruction following the same pattern happened, during Atlantis. This time thankfully, it wasnt a total destruction.

Then, today, a similar potential of destruction is always pending with tesla weapons or nuclear weapons or biological weapons or whatever advanced potentially dangerous technology you can name, while a certain part of the world slowly destroys entire world for profit through deforestation, pollution and pillage.

On top of that, two of the most prolific religions on the planet have the 'being saved' theme in their major tenets, and one of them even tells that you can do anything and you will be just forgiven and everything will be 'alright' without no consequences on one's own side.

On top of that, that concept seems to have been carried over to other facets of life, like in the case of economy, where a holistic view of economy proposes that you can do anything you want (you are free!) and profit at the expense of everyone and everything else, and things are 'just' going to be 'alright', because the 'invisible hand' (god) of the market is going to just fix things for you.

Just like how the guardians basically saved martians from the consequences of their destruction of their own planet.

That is an ongoing childhood, one that is spoiled, one might add, thanks to the unwisdom of a particular guardian entity smc. A perpetual childhood which will eventually have to end at one point.
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08-10-2018, 10:41 PM,
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(08-09-2018, 12:39 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:  I tend towards the view that places the bar lower. I think some people put adepthood (or spiritual maturity) upon a pedestal and have a very specific view of what it is, and often that pedestal is quite out of reach of most within the peer group. I view the spectrum of such spiritual progression to be vast, and it can begin quite soon after the opening of the heart (even in a minimal way).


I couldn't find this quote before, but I want to add it now because, for my own dear self, it adds dimensional character to the idea that spiritual maturity begins with the ripened, opened heart.  (And I'm not arguing against gradations, nor disparaging anyone--such as myself--who does not live at this address or higher.  I just think this is a very instructive perspective.)


http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2005/2005_1218.aspx Wrote:Only when one moves into the open heart can one begin to share energy; to exchange energy with another; to give love and to receive love. The great blessing of opening the heart and keeping it open is that, working from the open heart, all of the functions of the lower energy centers are recreated as sacred.

 
In other words, the maturation process shifts the entire apparatus of perception so that all is experienced as engagement with Divinity, not merely from a cognitive point of view, but with all one's energies.  Sounds darned good to moi.

 
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08-11-2018, 09:00 AM,
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(08-10-2018, 05:26 PM)unity100 Wrote:  At this point it would be wise to note that Ra does not speak of a spiritual childhood in that quote, but a perpetual childhood, which apparently is intended to mean the life of entities on this planet.

This is an excellent point that I'm glad you brought up; it's totally possible I'm reading too much into it (although the interpretation Nau7ik offered was pretty much how I'd always read it). Your reading leaves much less to interpretation and is much more straightforward.

Of course, the lifespan is related to the use of catalyst, so you could also describe the spiritual interpretation and the literal interpretation as two sides of the same coin. It is the inefficient use of catalyst (whether because the catalyst is too intense, or because it is ignored, or both) that shortens the lifespan so another attempt can be made. It is the short lifespan that never allows most to grow to true maturity in their incarnation and precludes extended experience with catalyst that most third density entities on other planets enjoy.

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08-11-2018, 09:05 AM,
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Great find, peregrine. Here's another one that makes a similar point:

Oxal Wrote:Many are the souls that have been harvested whose concept of the truth was never articulated, yet whose lives became radiant because the light shone in the darkness and the darkness could not overcome it.

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08-11-2018, 11:04 AM,
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Human intelligence is artificial, and is built out of the very elements that make up your body. So in many ways your body is an extension of your mind, and your mind governed by the elements/ratios of the body. I would say more than anything Ra/we are talking about emotionally leading to intellectually that keeps playing into a loop: perpetual childhood.

There is only Creator, to be childish is to ignore the deeper, truer self. We keep acting as if there are variant lines of vvariables, there is only one substance:Creator. There aren't many variables that we are possibly talking about being impacted, but One.
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08-11-2018, 02:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-11-2018, 02:15 PM by flofrog.)
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I kind of love the expression perpetual childhood as it looks up towards higher densities since hopping to another density you are in the childhood of the next one up. It’s a loop but more like a string. Lol. I am so happy it’s a long journey up to get up there. Big Grin

I also love Ra when he says it’s not that you have to have it perfect, but you have to have it all balanced, that’s what’s make it easier to hop up.. Wink
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08-11-2018, 05:27 PM,
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(08-11-2018, 09:05 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Oxal Wrote:Many are the souls that have been harvested whose concept of the truth was never articulated, yet whose lives became radiant because the light shone in the darkness and the darkness could not overcome it.

Here's a different--and rather unusual--quote that is in a vein similar to the one above, yet is much more deeply articulated.

Quo Wrote:Thus, in a dark time and in the shadow of death that you call life, you seek to forgive, and pardon, and love, and turn darkness into light wherever you see the way, and to serve, if not to please. You may all be judged because you do not please, but those who wish to serve often do not please, and if you are reviled for your love of the Creator, then you have done something right, and you are beginning to create the catalyst for fear among people that are already fearful, because they do not wish to change, because change is uncomfortable.

Pilgrims upon the path of seeking are always uncomfortable, always changing, always seeking. One cannot say to another, “Come with me on this journey, it will be all rose petals and ambrosia, there will be nothing but good times, for the Creator is love.” The best that you can say is, “Come suffer with me until we learn that there is no such thing as suffering, but only pain, and not my pain and not your pain. Come die with me, that we all may live. Come, let us empty ourselves of self, that we may be earthen vessels filled with treasure, dust in the presence of the Creator.”

You are on holy ground at this moment. Let us pause, that we may share this ecstasy.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_1021.aspx

 
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08-11-2018, 06:24 PM,
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(08-11-2018, 05:27 PM)peregrine Wrote:  
(08-11-2018, 09:05 AM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Oxal Wrote:Many are the souls that have been harvested whose concept of the truth was never articulated, yet whose lives became radiant because the light shone in the darkness and the darkness could not overcome it.

Here's a different--and rather unusual--quote that is in a vein similar to the one above, yet is much more deeply articulated.


Quo Wrote:Thus, in a dark time and in the shadow of death that you call life, you seek to forgive, and pardon, and love, and turn darkness into light wherever you see the way, and to serve, if not to please. You may all be judged because you do not please, but those who wish to serve often do not please, and if you are reviled for your love of the Creator, then you have done something right, and you are beginning to create the catalyst for fear among people that are already fearful, because they do not wish to change, because change is uncomfortable.

Pilgrims upon the path of seeking are always uncomfortable, always changing, always seeking. One cannot say to another, “Come with me on this journey, it will be all rose petals and ambrosia, there will be nothing but good times, for the Creator is love.” The best that you can say is, “Come suffer with me until we learn that there is no such thing as suffering, but only pain, and not my pain and not your pain. Come die with me, that we all may live. Come, let us empty ourselves of self, that we may be earthen vessels filled with treasure, dust in the presence of the Creator.”

You are on holy ground at this moment. Let us pause, that we may share this ecstasy.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_1021.aspx

 

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08-12-2018, 09:38 AM,
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Damn, that point about pain… that is like exactly the way Pema Chödrön talks about tonglen. Once you realize that it's not your pain alone and it doesn't mean something is wrong with you, we can start talking about how to bear it and help each other bear it and make something beautiful out of its demands.

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Below quote sets the spiritual childhood concept into its accurate spot:

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=20#24

Quote:20.24 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me why nine hundred years is the optimum life span?
Ra: I am Ra. The mind/body/spirit complex of third density has perhaps one hundred times as intensive a program of catalytic action from which to distill distortions and learn/teachings than any other of the densities. Thus the learn/teachings are most confusing to the mind/body/spirit complex which is, shall we say, inundated by the ocean of experience.

During the first, shall we say, perhaps 150 to 200 of your years as you measure time, a mind/body/spirit complex is going through the process of a spiritual childhood, the mind and the body not enough in a disciplined configuration to lend clarity to the spiritual influxes. Thus, the remaining time span is given to optimize the understandings which result from experience itself.

So, jumping jupiters!

Even at a ~70-80 years, the lifespan average on this planet is still ~100 years too short for even going through childhood.
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8 hours ago,
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So more intense catalyst?
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(8 hours ago)blossom Wrote:  So more intense catalyst?

Ra talked about the attitude of people against each other (not recognizing each other as creator) and things like slavery (today's wage slavery included in this), materialism etc have decreased lifespan in these last 2 cycles. So its not only the catalyst.

It also can be said it is the catalyst, since people's attitude towards each other, materialism etc are creating difficult conditions to live. For example a poor family in US whose parents have to work in 2 jobs and still take food stamps to be able to feed their kids, are experiencing a heavy catalyst right now, but this catalyst is the result of the concept above - people exploiting each other, enslavement etc. Not unlike the slave-family which had to work hard and still get very little food during Roman times.

Judging from how our lifespan increased in the past century with increasing technology and amenities, but especially due to things like social programs, healthcare becoming available, regulated working hours, minimum wage etc etc etc, this part of the lifespan decrease can be mitigated and even reverted. It seems all we need to do is to treat each other as people, instead of resources. Or, rather, take over and change the establishment so it wont treat us as resources and exploit us - since we dont have a particular inclination to treat each other on the street as such.
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