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    Glow Away

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    11-15-2017, 10:37 PM
    http://www.robertlanza.com/does-the-past...-in-stone/

    So can we use this info to build a reality we want?
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    11-15-2017, 10:39 PM (This post was last modified: 11-15-2017, 10:40 PM by Glow.)
    It seems to explain how synchronicity can happen and I guess in that sense manifestation is simply choosing the future we want.... and it coming to meet us
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    11-15-2017, 11:34 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017, 03:10 PM by Glow.)
    I just watched a youtube video of him and he is a Law of One`er. Maybe not via Ra channelings IDK but he subscribes to the belief that all our consciousnesses form one consciousness.

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    11-16-2017, 06:55 AM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017, 06:56 AM by xise.)
    I came to the idea a few years back that the past only really exists in the present. Memories and even first-hand perception in the past can be mistaken. Second-hand information about the past is even more fluid.

    Nothing - the history books, other's accounts of the past, your own memories/your memory of your own perceptions - is set in stone. The only in the present can you investigate something, and even then it's no guarantee that your present perception will remain unchanged in the future, as new facts may arise that color your conclusions that you previously made.
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    11-16-2017, 02:32 PM
    Looks like the future determines the past to some extent. So the now is basically the past and the future moving towards one another vs some linear progression. I love it.

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    11-16-2017, 07:47 PM
    This phenomenon is something close to what's described in this post:

    https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...#pid235845

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    11-16-2017, 09:36 PM (This post was last modified: 11-17-2017, 07:23 PM by Dekalb_Blues.)
    (11-16-2017, 02:32 PM)Glow Wrote: Looks like the future determines the past to some extent. So the now is basically the past and the future moving towards one another vs some linear progression. I love it.


    The past is never dead. It's not even past.

    ----- William Faulkner, Requiem for a Nun (1951)


    POZZO: (suddenly furious) Have you not done tormenting me with your accursed time!
         It's abominable! When! When! One day, is that not enough for you, one day he went
         dumb, one day I went blind, one day we'll go deaf, one day we were born, one day
         we shall die, the same day, the same second, is that not enough for you? (Calmer.)
         They give birth astride of a grave; the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more.

    ---- Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot (English version, 1955), Act 2




    The way upward and the way downward are one and the same.

    Time present and time past
    Are both perhaps present in time future
    And time future contained in time past.
    If all time is eternally present
    All time is unredeemable.
    What might have been is an abstraction
    Remaining a perpetual possibility
    Only in a world of speculation.
    What might have been and what has been
    Point to one end, which is always present.
    Footfalls echo in the memory
    Down the passage which we did not take
    Towards the door we never opened
    Into the rose-garden. My words echo
    Thus, in your mind.
         But to what purpose
    Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
    I do not know.
         Other echoes
    Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow?
    Quick, said the bird, find them, find them . . . .
    Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
    Cannot bear very much reality.
    Time past and time future
    What might have been and what has been
    Point to one end, which is always present.

    ----- from T. S. Eliot's "The Four Quartets: 1. Burnt Norton" (1936)
    http://www.coldbacon.com/poems/fq.html




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         Anything that happens, happens.
         Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
         Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.

         ---- Epigraph to Douglas Adams' Mostly Harmless (1992)



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         The Restaurant at the End of the Universe is one of the most
    extraordinary ventures in the entire history of catering. It has been
    built on the fragmented remains of. . .  that is to say it will have
    been built by this time, and indeed has been --

         One of the major problems encountered in time travel is not that
    of accidentally becoming your own mother or father. There is no prob-
    lem in becoming your own father or mother that a broadminded and
    well-adjusted family can't cope with. There is also no problem about
    changing the course of history -- the course of history does not change,
    because it all fits together like a jigsaw. All the important changes have
    happened before the things they were supposed to change and it all
    sorts itself out in the end.

         The major problem is quite simply one of grammar, and the main
    work to consult in this matter is Dr. Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's
    Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations. It will tell you for instance how to
    describe something that was about to happen to you in the past before
    you avoided it by time-jumping forward two days in order to avoid it. The
    event will be described differently according to whether you are talking
    about it from the standpoint of your own natural time, from a time in the
    further future, or a time in the further past and is further complicated by
    the possibility of conducting conversations whilst you are actually travelling
    from one time to another with the intention of becoming your own father
    or mother.

         Most readers get as far as the Future Semi-Conditionally Modified Sub-
    inverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional before giving up: and in fact
    in later editions of the book all the pages beyond this point have been left
    blank to save on printing costs.

         The Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe skips lightly over this tangle of
    academic abstractions, pausing only to note that the term "Future Perfect"
    has been abandoned since it was discovered not to be.

         To resume:

         The Restaurant at the End of the Universe is one of the most extraor-
    dinary ventures in the entire history of catering.

         It is built on the fragmented remains of an eventually ruined planet
    which (wioll haven be) enclosed in a vast time bubble and projected for-
    ward in time to the precise moment of the End of the Universe.

         This is, many would say, impossible.

         In it, guests take (willan on-take) their places at table and eat (willan
    on-eat) sumptuous meals whilst watching (willing watchen) the whole of
    Creation explode around them.

         This is, many would say, equally impossible.

         You can arrive (mayan arivan on-when) for any sitting you like without
    prior (late fore-when) reservation because you can book retrospectively, as
    it were, when you return to your own time (you can have on-book haventa
    forewhen presooning returningwenta retrohome).

         This is, many would now insist, absolutely impossible.

         At the Restaurant you can meet and dine with (mayan meetan con with
    dinan on when) a fascinating cross-section of the entire population of space
    and time.

         This, it can be explained patiently, is also impossible.

         You can visit it as many times as you like (mayan on-visit re-onvisiting. . . 
    and so on -- for further tense-corrections consult Dr. Streetmentioner's book)
    and be sure of never meeting yourself, because of the embarrassment this
    usually causes.

         This, even if the rest were true, which it isn't, is patently impossible, say
    the doubters.

         All you have to do is deposit one penny in a savings account in your own
    era, and when you arrive at the End of Time the operation of compound interest
    means that the fabulous cost of your meal has been paid for.

         This, many claim, is not merely impossible, but clearly insane, which is why the
    advertising executives of the star system of Bastablon came up with this slogan:

         "If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off
         with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe?"


    ---- Chapter 15 of Douglas Adams' The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (1980)
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    The Subtleties of Mulla Nasrudin

    . . . . Sufi teaching can only be done by a Sufi, not by a theoretician or intellectual
    exponent.

    Sufism, since it is the attunement with true reality, cannot be made closely to
    resemble what we take to be reality, but which is really more primitive short-
    term rule of thumb. For example, we tend to look at events one-sidedly. We
    also assume, without any justification, that an event happens as it were in a
    vacuum. In actual fact, all events are associated with all other events. It is only
    when we are ready to experience our interrelation with the organism of life that
    we can appreciate mystical experience. If you look at any action which you do,
    or which anyone does, you will find that it was prompted by one of many pos-
    sible stimuli; and also that it is never an isolated action -- it has consequences,
    many of them ones which you would never expect, certainly which you could
    not have planned.

    Another Nasrudin 'joke' underlines this essential circularity of reality, and the
    generally invisible interactions which occur:


    One day Nasrudin was walking along a deserted road. Night was falling as he
    spied a troop of horsemen coming towards him. His imagination began to work,
    and he feared that they might rob him, or impress him into the army. So strong
    did this fear become that he leaped over a wall and found himself in a graveyard.

    The other travellers, innocent of any such motive as had been assumed by
    Nasrudin, became curious and pursued him.

    When they came upon him lying motionless, one said, 'Can we help you -- why
    are you here in this position?'

    Nasrudin, realising his mistake, said, 'It is more complicated than you assume.
    You see, I am here because of you; and you, you are here because of me.'

    . . . .

    Nasrudin enables the Sufi Seeker to understand that the formal ideas current
    about time and space are not necessarily those which obtain in the wider field
    of true reality. People who believe, for instance, that they are being rewarded
    for past actions and may be rewarded for future doings, cannot be Sufis. The
    Sufi time conception is an interrelation -- a continuum.

    The classic story of the Turkish bath caricatures it in a manner which enables
    something of the idea to be grasped:

    Nasrudin visited a Turkish bath. Because he was dressed in rags, he was cavalierly
    treated by the attendants, who gave him an old towel and a scrap of soap. When
    he left, he handed the amazed bath men a gold coin. The next day he appeared
    again, magnificently attired, and was naturally given the best possible attention and
    deference.

    When the bath was over, he presented the bath keepers with the smallest copper
    coin available.

    'This,' he said, 'was for the attendance last time. The gold coin was for your treatment
    of me this time.'

    ---- from Idries Shah, The Sufis (1964)
    https://idriesshahfoundation.org/books/the-sufis




    [Image: 200px-ISHK_Logo.jpg]  Behold the tesseract!   http://www.dosenation.com/2902


    From Session 9 (27 Jan 81):

    Questioner: Is it possible for you to tell us anything of our past incarnations, our past experiences
    before this incarnation?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is possible. However, such information as this is carefully guarded by your mind/
    body/spirit being totality so that your present space/time experiences will be undiluted.


    From Session 19 (08 Feb 81):

    Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to choose paths at any time and possibly
    retrace steps, the path-changing being more difficult the farther along it's gone. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily
    it may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have. Those truly helpless are
    the those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition
    or the meaning of the pattern.


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