Are highly polarized negative entities aware that they exist as catalyst?

[sjel]

Before it reaches the intelligent infinity gateway ('negative enlightenment'), I wonder what it is that propels them forward. But once they reach that gateway, I'm sure they must have some relationship with the Creator in terms of cosmic catalyst. And at a certain level, they must be fully aware what their purpose is, in the grand scheme of things. Yet they continue to fulfill that role, and deepen their separation.

Edit: Just realized that this may be a misinterpretation of the universe in that I see negativity as existing for the sole purpose of aiding the positive in polarizing. Each exists for the purpose of the other side. But the negative polarity - what do they perceive themselves as, in relation to the Infinite Creator?

[Patrick]

Humm no I don't think so.
 
"They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly." (B4,91)
 

[GentleWanderer]

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[MangusKhan]

The negative polarity takes joy in discovering all those things which others would consider not worth knowing. The creator must come to know every conceivable distortion and this will is fulfilled by the negative polarity as they conduct their experiments. They definitely see themselves as servants of the creator in this regard, offering those experiences which purer beings cannot.

[Patrick]

They really believe that green ray is chaos and that their way is bringing order to the Creation.

[MangusKhan]

They really believe that green ray is chaos and that their way is bringing order to the Creation.

I've always found this conception of the negative polarity a little bit self-defeating. So much chaos arises from the attempt to impose order. Surely an entity as wise and cunning as a negative would know better, if order was truly its only aim. The sadistic/masochistic and necrophilic drives cannot be overlooked. Otherwise, we could say that the confederation is negative simply for their authority and desire to organise.

[xise]

19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

I think they just enjoy the night and that they accept and embrace that about themselves.

[rva_jeremy]

But the negative polarity - what do they perceive themselves as, in relation to the Infinite Creator?

Great question, and any answer would be speculative.  I think it's worth expanding on the implications of "loving the darkness" that Ra picks some words to use in describing:

Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

Session 19, Passage 17

It is interesting that those of Ra use such sensual words like "delicious", "pleasure", "picnic", etc.  It leads me to speculate that the learning yielded up to the Creator by STS seeking is either (A) something primal and visceral about the focus of awareness that constitutes free will or (B) something that can only be discovered/appreciated through such primal and visceral means.  In any case, whether it's A or B, for the STS entity itself that very "deliciousness" and "pleasure" must be a basic characteristic of how they are validated by the pain, suffering, and rejection inherent in the "path of that which is not".

Part of me suspects that the negative path is the path that actually teaches the Creator most, because by venturing into "that which is not" it explores novel territory that by definition is not real and therefore not part of the Creation. It can be said to be literally unknown to the Creator.  In an infinite Creation of that which is, the only way to venture "outside" of the unified reality is by imposing the artifice of separation so that the Creation, by being obscured and occluded in certain ways, can actually reflect pregnant new possibilities. I believe this is part of the significance of seeing things in shadows, such as those of Ra discuss with respect to the Experience of the Spirit archetype.

So by this theory, the negative entity represents the Creator's foray into non-existence, the premise that potential could exist outside of what is (similar to the intro to A Course In Miracles, "Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.") As such, it is the STS entity's duty to enjoy their picnic and use their separation relative to the full Creation to deliver up to the Creator one of a limitless variety of subsets of reality, missing key pieces and therefore uniquely incomplete, shadowed, and uncharted.

Perhaps the STO path simply exists to ensure that too much balance is not lost to the gravity of STS. All just my idle musing.

[Quan]

Before it reaches the intelligent infinity gateway ('negative enlightenment'), I wonder what it is that propels them forward.

This comes to my mind when you ask this question.. Chinese TV series called Wuxia - ancient times with swords, qi gong and kung.. basically magical powers tend to have a ultimate negative entity. In most cases the negative entiy will go through  the lighting bolt of the tarot(potentiate of spirit) usually betrayal, loss of a love one or family member, or envy of service to other entity gaining incredible power..  Then the character will have a major moment usually a massive yell or roar or somethign along those lines.. From that moment onward will be a new person with a lot of gained power.    Which is isually there downfall thinking they are creator and no one else can beat them.. 

[unity100]

Negatively polarized entity is not interested in anything other than itself, depending on its degree of polarization. Lower levels would be too busy with self to be able to realize and appreciate anything like this at length, higher levels are not interested in anything but themselves.

[the]

I got this link posted by 777, it's very interesting.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

777 Wrote:  Regarding the Luciferian bloodline, you may find this link below an interesting read. It's long and some aspects have been proven inaccurate with time (primarily the description of Harvest as well as a few of the world events supposedly meant to have occurred), but overall it's fascinating in my opinion and possibly legitimate. All I know for sure is that the Luciferian bloodline does exist... I'm not 100% certain that this person is truly a member but I am inclined to believe it...  They seemed very knowledgeable / consistent and there may have been explanations for the discrepancies.


The interview: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[sjel]

I got this link posted by 777, it's very interesting.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

777 Wrote:  Regarding the Luciferian bloodline, you may find this link below an interesting read. It's long and some aspects have been proven inaccurate with time (primarily the description of Harvest as well as a few of the world events supposedly meant to have occurred), but overall it's fascinating in my opinion and possibly legitimate. All I know for sure is that the Luciferian bloodline does exist... I'm not 100% certain that this person is truly a member but I am inclined to believe it...  They seemed very knowledgeable / consistent and there may have been explanations for the discrepancies.


The interview: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

I've been meaning to read that. Bookmarked.

[Nau7ik]

I think that some of them are aware that their roles acts as catalyst to push forward. I remember reading one of Michael W Ford's books and he said that the adversary pushes civilization forward. So they know that they're negative and service to self, but it's for others' "own good". The people are sheep and they're the wolves.

Q'uo has mentioned that service to self is service to others and service to others is service to self. I think that's very interesting! It reveals the underlying unity of all that there is in a perfect divine harmony. It just so happens that if one serves himself to the exclusion of all others, the catalyst for being controlled can be the catalyst that one realizes he doesn't want to be controlled and that he loves freedom. It also happens that as one serves others that his service is returned back to him. There is no need to be greedy, for example. Share what you have and it will come back to you.

[rva_jeremy]

Negatively polarized entity is not interested in anything other than itself, depending on its degree of polarization. Lower levels would be too busy with self to be able to realize and appreciate anything like this at length, higher levels are not interested in anything but themselves.

How do you think about the intent behind STS instruction, then?  Those of Ra talk about how negative wisdom is disseminated to third density, and it does seem that there is a teacher/student relationship in some aspects.  While I would agree that their instructional relationship is devoid of any altruism, and I would certainly agree that there is a domination competition amongst the teacher and student, I wonder if there isn't some interest in the student otherself there that goes beyond mere domination (since, if it were simply about control, the teacher could exercise it easily).

There is something about the need to enlist the free will of the caller of negative guidance that is at issue here, I think.  To the extent free will is respected in any way, can one not say that it is an "interest in something other than the self", to whatever degree that interest redounds?  And certainly there are negative entities, such as at 5th density, who don't bother with this at all, so it could be that there's some variety here.

[rva_jeremy]

I think that some of them are aware that their roles acts as catalyst to push forward. I remember reading one of Michael W Ford's books and he said that the adversary pushes civilization forward. So they know that they're negative and service to self, but it's for others' "own good". The people are sheep and they're the wolves.

Yeah, while this strikes me as a less polarized form of STS, it might be a necessary depolarization.  In the same sense that STO has to resist STS incursions at least somewhat to maintain long term polarized balance -- even at the risk of losing some polarity in the short term -- there may be some similar dynamic on the STS side that requires interest in others' forward progress in order to maintain their long-term polarized balance, even though it depolarizes in the short term.  Just speculation.

[Minyatur]

I think it's just about empowering the distortions/blockages of self, which gives little importance to that it serves others also in the end as the focus is placed upon one's own distortions.

The higher they go and the more they will be aware of this as they realize the Creator found in both the self seen as self and the self seen as other-selves.

[anagogy]

Before it reaches the intelligent infinity gateway ('negative enlightenment'), I wonder what it is that propels them forward. But once they reach that gateway, I'm sure they must have some relationship with the Creator in terms of cosmic catalyst. And at a certain level, they must be fully aware what their purpose is, in the grand scheme of things. Yet they continue to fulfill that role, and deepen their separation.

Edit: Just realized that this may be a misinterpretation of the universe in that I see negativity as existing for the sole purpose of aiding the positive in polarizing. Each exists for the purpose of the other side. But the negative polarity - what do they perceive themselves as, in relation to the Infinite Creator?

They see the creator in the self. With the same reverence the positives have for the whole of creation, the negatives have that same reverence for themselves. They see themselves as gods in the making, and they see all others as having the potential for greatness as well, but they view most as "too weak" to realize their potential.  These ones too weak need to be made strong by one who is stronger. They are seen to be in need of the wisdom and guidance of the one stronger and wiser. The main weakness they see the need of eradicating is compassion, which as Ra noted, they sincerely see as folly; a limitation and barrier to greatness, and power. They see compassion as the force that robs sovereignty from the true exploration of the creator (because it guides one away from the "forbidden pleasures" of the creation -- the perversions of nature -- what they see as the pleasures of separation and duality). They believe that in order to fully experience, explore, and enjoy the true limits of the manifestations of pleasure/power/intelligence, that empathy must be purged from the soul, much as positives ultimately see the necessity of purging selfishness from the soul in order to fully turn to the positive to become one with the power and peace and love and joy of the one infinite creator.  

[Mahakali]

They see the creator in the self. With the same reverence the positives have for the whole of creation, the negatives have that same reverence for themselves. They see themselves as gods in the making, and they see all others as having the potential for greatness as well, but they view most as "too weak" to realize their potential.  These ones too weak need to be made strong by one who is stronger. They are seen to be in need of the wisdom and guidance of the one stronger and wiser. The main weakness they see the need of eradicating is compassion, which as Ra noted, they sincerely see as folly; a limitation and barrier to greatness, and power. They see compassion as the force that robs sovereignty from the true exploration of the creator (because it guides one away from the "forbidden pleasures" of the creation -- the perversions of nature -- what they see as the pleasures of separation and duality). They believe that in order to fully experience, explore, and enjoy the true limits of the manifestations of pleasure/power/intelligence, that empathy must be purged from the soul, much as positives ultimately see the necessity of purging selfishness from the soul in order to fully turn to the positive to become one with the power and peace and love and joy of the one infinite creator.  

So negs ARE compassionate (sort of). They have a desire to see others improve themselves along with the desire to help them and spread the knowledge of how to do so.

Sure, "respect not pity or weakness", yet, "discard not love but treat it as an imposter, but ever be just".

>With the same reverence the positives have for the whole of creation, the negatives have that same reverence for themselves.

And this is the only way to roll.

But, while I understand why one would need control over compassion and empathy, to be able to turn them off when necessary, I don't understand for the life of me why one wouldn't want to have empathetic abilities at all, especially someone geared towards control.

How are you supposed to control anything if you can't empathize with it? You move things psychically by resonating with them, so you need that empathy to be able to actually affect things, right? Or am I missing the point here?

Also, is there like a bring4thdensitynegative.org forum somewhere?

[anagogy]

But, while I understand why one would need control over compassion and empathy, to be able to turn them off when necessary, I don't understand for the life of me why one wouldn't want to have empathetic abilities at all, especially someone geared towards control.

How are you supposed to control anything if you can't empathize with it? You move things psychically by resonating with them, so you need that empathy to be able to actually affect things, right? Or am I missing the point here?

Also, is there like a bring4thdensitynegative.org forum somewhere?

They can read others and their motivations if you want to call that "empathy". I wouldn't call it that personally, but they have the ability to cold read. It is simply a means of manipulation though. They don't "care" about others except insofar as they represent extensions of their own power or pleasure (extensions of their self). So they might seemingly "care" about family members, because they carry their family name (their personal brand they identify with). But it has nothing to do with the person in and of themselves, just their perception of the other individual as an extension of their identity.

The closest thing they have to "love of others" is "respect". They respect power. Where positives worship love, the negatives worship power. And they both peripherally worship wisdom.