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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Is it wise to consider all negative entities as simply your own negative thoughts?

    Thread: Is it wise to consider all negative entities as simply your own negative thoughts?


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    #1
    06-10-2017, 06:56 PM
    In that way might you treat even the most negative of entities in the same way you treat your own thoughts - that is, loving and accepting it? Embracing even that which would do you severe harm? Raising all your defenses and welcoming it as a part of you?

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    06-10-2017, 07:25 PM
    I think everything we find negative is a part of our shadow self. We don't try to fight it or destroy it. We learn to accept it, though don't let it take control over our lives.
    My shadow self has taken over a few dreams of mine that were quite scary. I've seen some horrible things. Even some things that could happen if one were to gain unlimited power.

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    06-10-2017, 09:54 PM
    I prefer to view them as providing me with opportunities to choose love and compassion, and therefore to grow. Sources of catalyst. I send them love and appreciation and it drives them berserk.

    Of course they're part of Self, but they're not part of self. Relate to them in whatever way best enables you to find love.
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    06-11-2017, 01:17 PM
    I don't think there are negative entities. They are in darkness because they are lacking the light of understanding and unity.

    Anyone of us born into a life script that reinforced separation, closing of the heart and mind from understanding even a smidge of unity consiousness would be in the same boat until they managed to awaken to it.

    The same can be said of those entities not of human flesh and blood. We are all one.
    It that "light" forgiveness, compassion and understanding is the way I view them.
    Protect yourself however is suitable of course.
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    06-14-2017, 10:14 AM (This post was last modified: 06-14-2017, 10:15 AM by rva_jeremy.)
    (06-10-2017, 06:56 PM)sjel Wrote: In that way might you treat even the most negative of entities in the same way you treat your own thoughts - that is, loving and accepting it? Embracing even that which would do you severe harm? Raising all your defenses and welcoming it as a part of you?

    Well I don't really know any entities I'd describe as negative, at least not offhand, but I'd say yes.  The issue for me is not whether the viewpoint is valid or invalid, but instead what opportunities for thought and action the viewpoint makes easier.  It is a choice, and that choice is born of certain insights into how life experience works and where one wants to go.  As those of Ra say:

    Ra Wrote:However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

    I think treating negative entities as the self implies exactly this, and furthermore that seeing them as bad and undesirable to begin with, rather than simply other ways of being that one chooses not to express oneself, is a total reflection of inner work. The wisdom issue is not in how one looks at it, per se, but in what opportunities and possibilities for service and expression one sees in the encounter with the opposite pole.
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    06-15-2017, 02:37 AM (This post was last modified: 06-15-2017, 02:42 AM by Aion.)
    Negativity is relative to a situation. If you have a bear charging at you that is ready to maul you to death then I don't think treating the negativity of that situation as one's thoughts would be very wise. However, encountering the bear in another situation where it is peaceful and minding its own business you do not see negativity in the bear or the situation, but instead see it for what it is. I think thoughts are the same way. Rather than treating the world the same way you would treat your thoughts I would propose the exact opposite, to treat your thoughts the same way you would the wild bear. When your thoughts get aggressive, you need to stand firm and tall, making your own presence stronger. When your thoughts are calm and passive, observe and learn from them what you are able to in their passing, and without clinging to them.

    Too many people are at their mercy of their own minds when in truth we are the masters.

    So, again, applied to 'negative entities', unless they are charging you or someone else there is no reason to start a battle. Personally I think martyrdom and self-sacrifice unto suicide is a distortion which is useful only as a last resort. I do not believe it is of greater service ultimately to allow yourself to be pressed under the thumb of negativity, whether it is another's or your own.

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    06-15-2017, 11:49 AM
    (06-10-2017, 06:56 PM)sjel Wrote: In that way might you treat even the most negative of entities in the same way you treat your own thoughts - that is, loving and accepting it? Embracing even that which would do you severe harm? Raising all your defenses and welcoming it as a part of you?

    Since they only have beingness in your reality due to our vibrational activations of them, it is most wise indeed to consider negative beings thoughts. Properly, that is more of an indigo ray understanding. Remembering it, while in the yellow ray physical plane can be quite....challenging.

    It is easy to meditate when outer conditions are peaceful, but have you ever tried it when someone slaps you in the face?

    The physical world is good at shaking your attention away from the illusion generator and back to the illusion itself, but I commend you for the insightful realization. The spiritual human attention span is quite short, and easily distracted, but there is nothing saying we can't work to improve that (which is the work of the adept).

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    06-15-2017, 12:35 PM
    I mean, negative entities do have their Beingness of their own, so that seems like a pretty solipsistic approach to me. It seems to me like a denial of other self to deny the existence of autonomous entities. Even Ra in Sixth-Density still differentiates between positive and negatively oriented identities. I understand the 'tune your reality' concept, but it isnt very wise imo to be under the impression that you are the only co-creator making choices. I see reality as a collection of many choices all kaleidescoping together. Seeing the route back to unity doesn't change the distance still to be walked.

    I don't think one needs to 'do' anything about this, but I do feel that it is important to acknowledge the autonomy of other beings even if they are negative.
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    06-15-2017, 12:47 PM
    Seeing other beings as portions of your thought doesn't mean they don't exist, it is just a recognition of the fact there is just one mind, ultimately. It is a recognition that all is one. Realities interact by virtue of complimentary vibrations, which are quite mixed in 3rd density. Even Ra has stated that in higher densities the only interaction between polarities prior to sixth, is in attempts to sway the mind body spirits of 3rd density.

    So it isn't a denial that other beings exist, as in solipsism, anymore than its a denial that other thoughts exist, it is just a recognition that they follow certain parameters. If all is creator, nothing happens that is not "allowed" to happen at some level of being, which includes interaction with negative beings. It doesn't deny their autonomy, they are free to do as they wish, and one is free to do as one wishes. But in order to interact with someone, you have to be willing to go into a mutual vibrational space. There is a space where a highly polarized negative being will refuse to go to (a highly tuned positive vibration), just as their is a space where a highly tuned positive being will refuse to go to (a highly tuned negative vibration).

    Now that is far advanced from the 3rd density standpoint, but advanced study is fine for those who desire to pursue it, and are fine with difficulty inherent in pursuing higher density understandings.
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    06-15-2017, 01:27 PM (This post was last modified: 06-15-2017, 01:31 PM by Aion.)
    The way you said this "Since they only have beingness in your reality due to our vibrational activations of them" it implied otherwise, thanks for clarifying your thoughts.

    Even if you do not share a 'mutual vibrational space', they still exist in reality, in everyone's reality, for we are all One. The way you worded it sounded like if they are not 'vibrationally activated' in 'your' reality then they don't have beingness. They still have beingness and in your reality, but you are just choosing to not interact with them. That's very different from suggesting they do not have beingness outside of your activation of them.

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    06-15-2017, 01:44 PM
    Well, we can quibble over semantics all day, but what I was attempting to convey was they would not have beingness (as in presence) within ones experience. I was certainly not suggesting they would stop existing. That wouldn't make any sense.  :S

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    06-15-2017, 01:48 PM
    It would not, but none-the-less is a viewpoint I have seen plenty of times and so I sought to clarify.

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    06-15-2017, 11:26 PM
    Are the negative entities only as powerful as you are, given that they are only interacting with you because you are vibrationally compatible? Meaning that any negative entity you encounter can only be as negative as the negative potential of your own thoughts?

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    06-15-2017, 11:40 PM
    (06-15-2017, 11:26 PM)sjel Wrote: Are the negative entities only as powerful as you are, given that they are only interacting with you because you are vibrationally compatible? Meaning that any negative entity you encounter can only be as negative as the negative potential of your own thoughts?

    They are as powerful as they convince (control) you to imagine them to be. Though, keep in mind, we are talking about deep subconscious structures here. Changing your deep vibrational core expectations is not always a simple matter.
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    06-15-2017, 11:42 PM
    (06-10-2017, 06:56 PM)sjel Wrote: In that way might you treat even the most negative of entities in the same way you treat your own thoughts - that is, loving and accepting it? Embracing even that which would do you severe harm? Raising all your defenses and welcoming it as a part of you?

    The wise knows why it feels love and compassion for the negative facets of the One externalized as negative entities while the fool has faith in that it is the direction his mind must look toward in it's seeking for truth.

    Good and bad both reflect your heart and what it can become as everyone and everything is a story. Catalysts offer opportunities to understand both yourself and others, and what we each and all can become. As you resolve your feelings of separation through the tribulations of catalyst, your refine the essence of your mind and heart into something that is hard to be shaken into non-acceptance of what the present moment is symbolic of reflecting through us. I think technically if you love them for what they are sincerely, they really just have nothing to gain from you and they'll depart. In contrast, they'll stay so long they can entertain feelings of separation.

    The Truth of Omniscience is Love.

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    06-16-2017, 09:23 AM (This post was last modified: 06-16-2017, 05:46 PM by Minyatur.)
    (06-15-2017, 11:26 PM)sjel Wrote: Are the negative entities only as powerful as you are, given that they are only interacting with you because you are vibrationally compatible? Meaning that any negative entity you encounter can only be as negative as the negative potential of your own thoughts?

    I think this is so but I'd just put a note that this is so because this world is protected by beings of greater might and power. Were it not the case, they could very well descend down here and squash your body to dust on a whim. The relationship is one of self to other-self and the distinctions between bodies and ability to work with universal laws would create a diffenciation in power in any interaction. Think of how those of Ra, after being granted permission and passage, were able to manifest the pyramids. Well without the quarantine, a negative being could very well just decide to manifest a pyramid on top of you, although it'd be an odd way to end a 3D mind/body/spirit complex.

    In the case of here, I'd describe it as that they have as much power as your distortions are a vibrational match (calling) for the influence any of them wishes or is able to inject within you. That's the game of this place and you don't need to be consciously aware of them either. I'd say anyone you see that struggles with hatred has a 100% chance that negative beings, who resonate with hate, are feeding this person's hatred and are entertaining how it is stuck in the tourment of its perception of separation and emotions of separation as to harvest from it. By contrast, a strong and loving heart could not be channeled hatred into as it would not have distortions of its own that lean toward such emotion and instead the heart would distill the hate it was sent, touching unto the core of it and finding love for its root and how it came into manifestation, thus offering healing to the negative being rather than empowering its own distortions of separation.

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