(02-02-2021, 04:49 PM)Black Dragon Wrote:Latest transcript(January 29th 2021) can help shed some light or perhaps just using it as an excuse due to a major personal bias to this passage Yes its long, very long passage to post probably a record for this whole Daily Post thread.. oh well tough luck(02-02-2021, 04:45 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(02-02-2021, 04:39 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I don't necessarily think its so transient to try and seek a clearer understanding about suffering, joy, and catalyst. I don't think it's transient or cranky to call out half-baked platitude that does not resonate with me and does not seem consistent with the quality and clarity I've come to expect from the material, including much better explanations of the very topic that that platitude obfuscates.
The platitude "Joy is of little intrinsic value" sounds just like "happiness isn't the objective"...ring any bells? Such a distortion could lead one down a very tragic path in life.
I agree, it's not necessarily one thing or another. If the catalyst leads you to a deeper sense of self, then it's a good thing, indeed.
And it is an unusual Q'uo session in general. Maybe they were having a stressful day?
Absolutely, you make a good point about the "human element". We are all human in this incarnation and susceptible to stress(as the nature of my own responses here show a bit), which can affect not only the quality of the questions asked but the clarity of the channeling itself in some ways. That's part of why it's always good to heed their guidance about taking what resonates and not taking stuff just at face value because somebody channeled it.
"Austin: I've got some here, so long as there's none in the other... the rest of the circle?I have one myself. I'm curious about how the positive path can relate to the feelings of joy or fulfillment from companionship. Ra said that it is to be noted that “an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other selves, whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept.” [1] So then, would a positive adept rely only on the self for joy and fulfillment? Or is there more nuance to this statement in how a positive entity relates to their companions?
Q’uo: We are those of Q'uo, and we appreciate this complex and nuanced and rich question about the ultimate independence of the self as [its own] source of catalyst, experience, and the resulting fruit of joy or sorrow; and the relationship of such a self with other seeming selves, whether in free exchange or in some degree of entrapment, enslavement, bonding, or codependence, as this instrument might describe it.
Indeed, the positive entity, having yet to discover its true power, authority, and agency, may be reliant upon other selves—their opinions, their evaluations of the self, their beliefs about the nature of reality—as a secondary source of understanding the self's own reality. And it is... we give this instrument the image of being upon the waters which are outside of the control or direction of the self. To be so reliant or dependent upon the thoughts, bonds, and opinions of other selves is to be in, shall we say, waters outside of the self's own being. This may bring one a great and infinite variety of experiences, from the proximate sense of sunshine in the light of approval of others, to the darkened and imprisoned and cast away sense of disapproval in the light of others' eyes, but so long as one is upon those waters of the other selves' thoughts and experiences, one is so moved therein.
Now, the independence toward which your question points, and the connection between the independence and the joy of companionship, is a line of inquiry that can be explored further with significant fruit; for joy is sourced or located most truly in the individual and finite self's connection with the all self, the infinite self. It is there in that mysterious communion, connected through the bridge of faith and a one-pointed will surrendered to the One, that joy does not necessarily result, but already exists—not as a byproduct, but as a facet or aspect of the nature of the self. The true beingness is, by definition, one of joy. The deeper the realization of the self as the Creator, the deeper the discovery of who and what the self truly is, the greater the depth [of the] visceral lived, felt, embodied experience of joy that self will enjoy and become a transparent vessel for.
The surrendered finite self plugged into the all-self becomes a conduit of joy—the joy of existence, the joy of participating with the Creator in the creation of this magnificent experience of the Creator knowing Itself. And that joy is not reserved for the self alone in isolation, though the self may know boundless joy without contact with others; that joy yearns to be shared and yearns to be unlocked in the contact with other selves; for the self recognizes, upon the positive path, the Creator not only as the self, but as other selves, and as the creation about one.
Thus, does the self gaze outwardly and see infinite sources of joy, whatever their mental states or various distortions thereby. And this self may, regardless of the thoughts, opinions, bonds of other selves, remain in the state of joy and share this state of joy, even and including when experiencing the sorrows inherent to the third-density experience—the depravations and sufferings and hardships that your entities know [well].
Nonetheless, such an entity from such an altitude can see the Creator moving about in all other selves, and enter into companionship with others, whereby that self-sourced joy is both shared and even intensified and increased, depending upon the dance with the other self, to the degree that the other self is operating from an open heart and its energy system capable of a free and mutual exchange of energy in teach/ learn, in speaking/listening, in sexual energy, as the case may be. So that joy can not only be shared but reciprocated and lifted higher and higher into new and more beautiful and bountiful expression of the One experiencing the One.
Joy has an infinite landscape upon which to play and express in exquisite depth and variety. And this instrument asks that we conclude, at least for the moment, this thought and ask if there is a follow up or another query at this time. "
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