10-12-2019, 04:49 AM
I wonder what people's thoughts are on today's quote:
I can't help but recoil at some of these words, and I wonder if parts of the message were distortions caused by Carla's biases towards Christianity and martyrdom, due to the nature of conscious channeling. In the message there seems to be an idealization of the concepts of pain, suffering, self-sacrifice, and disregard for one's self, in a way that seems very twisted to me.
I remember Ra had a seemingly similar message:
Although similar, this is much more matter-of-fact, more logical and reasonable, without the apparent distortions towards self-sacrifice and martyrdom. Furthermore, it could be implied in these words that trauma is not at all necessary for the development of the spirit; it just so happens that it tends to be a good catalyst among people. I'm okay with this, and I accept it. From Q'uo's words, I accept that we didn't come here just to be comfortable and stagnant, and the basic idea that a good couple goes through pain supporting each other is of course a sound one. The overall message, though, seems insane to me, and the mere use of such a loaded word as "suffering" not only betrays a bias, but goes opposite to another message that Q'uo once gave:
Quote:"�A persistent difficulty in speaking of your matings�is the great variety of motives for inaugurating and sustaining such a relationship. Almost never is it for the reason that is most closely aligned with the actual function and purpose of the mated relationship. Almost never is suffering, hardship and trouble used as the reason for choosing a future partner. And yet, this is the precise experience you wish to share, for your illusion is created in order that you may suffer and learn. That is the purpose of there being an illusion, for self-consciousness must be awakened. The third density begins with a sense of self asleep, and happiness and contentment do little to awaken the soul. It is the interactions with others that bring grief, suffering, loss and trauma which create the opportunities you most cherished before the incarnation.
Thus, it is well to choose the mate you want to suffer with and for the mate you feel will pull and pull as strongly as do you to carry equally the burden of illusion."
I can't help but recoil at some of these words, and I wonder if parts of the message were distortions caused by Carla's biases towards Christianity and martyrdom, due to the nature of conscious channeling. In the message there seems to be an idealization of the concepts of pain, suffering, self-sacrifice, and disregard for one's self, in a way that seems very twisted to me.
I remember Ra had a seemingly similar message:
Quote:It is to be noted that among your entities a large percentage of all progression has as catalyst, trauma.
Although similar, this is much more matter-of-fact, more logical and reasonable, without the apparent distortions towards self-sacrifice and martyrdom. Furthermore, it could be implied in these words that trauma is not at all necessary for the development of the spirit; it just so happens that it tends to be a good catalyst among people. I'm okay with this, and I accept it. From Q'uo's words, I accept that we didn't come here just to be comfortable and stagnant, and the basic idea that a good couple goes through pain supporting each other is of course a sound one. The overall message, though, seems insane to me, and the mere use of such a loaded word as "suffering" not only betrays a bias, but goes opposite to another message that Q'uo once gave:
Quote:Suffering is a word biased substantially in the negative sense. When one suffers one is considered to be bearing pain, difficulty, and trouble. Yet to suffer is actually to allow, and what is allowed in suffering is fear. Any experience may be suffered or allowed to occur, yet it is the experience which is not resisted which brings a lack of suffering (...). insofar as the experience is not resisted and is entered into faithfully, there is not the suffering.