Am I alone in my view of the dark?

[Patrick]

I would like to make it clear that I love you ALL deeply. I sincerely do. The One Infinite Creator is the most humble entity of all while It loves ALL of its infinite selves.

All I wish is to be more like the Creator, more humble and more loving.

It is my understanding that to achieve this, you must remove distortions from your Self.

So please fellow other selves, if you sense some of my comments to be negative from your current perspective, please be aware that it is not my intent to promote distortions within you. In this case simply disregard my comments completely and even put me on your ignore list.

I do not wish to be a stumbling block on your unique path.

[AnthroHeart]

Patrick, what made you think you'd be a stumbling block? You're one of the most insightful posters here. You give me answers that really satisfy my curiosity. When I'm down and troubled, you come through. I love you too brother. I love how your answers are short and straight to the point.

[Meerie]

I think you are sometimes too conscious of how you might come across or too "scared" of maybe stepping on someones toes, too much focused on others... I remember when you stopped giving likes because some forum members saw the like button as negative.
Just my two cents of course, please disregard if you disagree
All is well. Just be yourself and relax, dear brother

and even in the unlikely case someone should view anything you post as negative or have opposing views, just remember it is all catalyst.
How others view you and what you write, is ultimately none of your business, but theirs.
Peace

[Patrick]

Patrick, what made you think you'd be a stumbling block? You're one of the most insightful posters here. You give me answers that really satisfy my curiosity. When I'm down and troubled, you come through. I love you too brother. I love how your answers are short and straight to the point.

Thank you my friend.

I will not say that I find negativity beautiful, but I do not find it ugly either. It just is. I have no desire to eradicate it or fight it. I simply choose not to align my self with it.

I sometimes get Left Ear tones after posting, which to me means that my post was received negatively or abridged freewill or created negativity or even resulted in me losing some polarity. This is not my intent, but it happens anyway. I would prefer to be put on ignore than to confuse anyone.

[βαθμιαίος]

...disregard my comments completely and even put me on your ignore list.

Fat chance!

[Parsons]

How did you possibly get "violence and pain" from my words? I was responding to a thread that originally sought to "find beauty and love in murder". I was stating my opinion of this just as anyone did here.

Your response about this being arguably one of the most positive communities in the world is quite confusing as well. If you took the size of the community compared to other communities or groups of a similar size, I'm sure we would be more positive in intentions overall than 99% of them.

Still more confusing is your impression I was "pushing you out of the debate" when you were never even on my mind when I composed the post. You respond as though I personally attacked you. I shouldn't have to say it since I was not specific whom I was speaking to, but that was directed at no one in particular.

Without having met 99% of them, i can not say, because i believe my saying would be a reflection of what i wish for in the now and the actuality of the community around me being, forever, in a state of flux as i travel through it. So, i can not say, i feel that this community is positive, but i do not confuse what i feel to be true with what i think to be/know to be true.

Tha tbeing said, i believe that the attribution of "I am or we are as a community better than 99% of humanity in being a good guy/positive" is at its core, highly STS.

That is all I can say about this that I have not alreadys said in some form.

Okay you are clearly butthurt (taking this personally) and twisting everything I say at this point, so I will no longer be discussing this particular topic with you. To be clear what you twisted, you said "better" when I never said that, and that is complete stretch of what I was saying.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Huntress]

In ending, is there anything that this conversation has done to change any of your original thoughts at all? Just curious!

As of "now", my original thoughts are unchanged. I deeply appreciate the contributions of each person. I greatly value the privilege of empathizing with, pondering upon, & discerning the wisdom & truth in their expressions. It has been disappointing when my hope to inspire love has resulted in discord, fear, or negativity. But I am ever grateful for the joy there is in this sharing & for each contribution & contributor. (((hugs)))

[Shin'Ar]

In ending, is there anything that this conversation has done to change any of your original thoughts at all? Just curious!

As of "now", my original thoughts are unchanged. I deeply appreciate the contributions of each person. I greatly value the privilege of empathizing with, pondering upon, & discerning the wisdom & truth in their expressions. It has been disappointing when my hope to inspire love has resulted in discord, fear, or negativity. But I am ever grateful for the joy there is in this sharing & for each contribution & contributor. (((hugs)))

One cannot define love by assimilating it with hatred. Any attempt to do so will result in discord because hatred is the opposite of love.

But if you give up on your effort to discern that comparison you will impede your ability to reach that realization, and will continue in realizing such discord.

I commend your efforts and wish you success in your discernment.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Shin'Ar]

Hatred, in our opinion, is just anger at Love, and is not actually an opposite to or lack of Love.

I would disagree with some confusion over exactly how you support that mode of thinking.

[DMCubic]

Hi,

I want to thank all participants here for contributing to a stimulating thread.  This is deep, personal material and it's good to see so many people were willing to dive into it.  For the most part our passion was contained and the overall tone was civil.  So let's keep a good thread going with the intention in mind to choose an appropriate path for our heart as we post. 

Earlier on I think I caused a stir by saying "the dark is as beautiful as the light," which was one post among a few that caused others to feel alarmed that people on here were preaching a total non-difference between the light and dark.  There was concern that a monistic philosophy was being advocated that subordinated human concerns to ones visible only from a God's-eye point of view, as it were, and used impressive-sounding language to justify evil.

I admittedly chose my words badly when I said I think the dark is as beautiful as the light.  A lot of people equate goodness with beauty.  To them what I was saying is "the dark is as good as the light," as if to say that being on the receiving end of evil were as peachy keen as being on the receiving end of good.  And it is indeed a stretch to consider the true depth of evil to be beautiful in the way a meadow filled with deer or a grizzled old man's brilliant smile is beautiful. My intention was and is not to endorse lovelessness or equate it with love.

To sort things out I had to do a lot of thinking to find out what I was really trying to say, which turned out to be "the light and the dark sides of reality are both just as marvelous."  Saying that is not actually to say that they are both beautiful.  I made my mistaken word choice by failing to account for the fact that more than just beauty is aesthetically appreciable, and in my unreflective grasping for a word to describe what about evil I find worth appreciating, “beauty” was the first one I could think of.

But now, after reflection, I have identified marvelousness, a trait sometimes related to but still different from beauty, as something which has aesthetic merit on its own. It is the marvelousness of darkness, not its beauty, that drew my mind in.

I will now elaborate on the kinds of things I think can cause marvel and will say why I think darkness possesses these traits.

One form of marvel is sublime marvel. Sublime marvel puts our fragility in comparison with something much vaster and stronger. It reminds us of our mortality and powerlessness. Typically the source of sublime marvel is nature – being alone in a glass bubble in deep space would fill me with sublime marvel, as I would experientially know myself to be tiny, insignificant, and short-lived compared to the vast sea of stars and nebulas on all sides of me. Considering too how many living entities and social memory complexes dot those stars would make me feel sublime awe – I would know myself directly to be an infinitesimal fraction of a fraction of the universal ecosystem in a way that can't be had just by thinking dryly about it. Weathering a major hurricane would also cause sublime awe – knowing that I was being exposed to a lethal display of nature's power on that level would make me feel small, fragile, and part of an amazing and overwhelmingly powerful creation.

I think dark entities and their actions can instill sublime marvel, especially because I view human action as an extension of nature and not separate from it. The Mongol hordes were vast enough and destructive enough, I think, to be considered a source of sublime awe. They were an unstoppable force of pure destruction that was so single-minded in its determination to bring pain and loss as to be like a natural force. Their destructiveness tainted individual lives, leveled cities thought to be immortal, and ruined whole ecosystems. It is almost impossible for us to fathom the darkness of the hearts of the Khans and their twisted minions, nor the depth of the suffering they caused and the terror with which they filled the world. The power of that inward darkness outwardly manifested as a sublimely terrifying storm of raw violence.

It is also sublime, to me, to think of the hordes and face the fact that the shadow was, in the hearts of all those human beings, stronger than the light. I think it is sublime to consider how fragile the roots of our precious light-seeking actually can be, what an incredible force universal ignorance is, and how easily extreme evil can snuff the light out of good hearts. It is sublime to me to know that I have a breaking point past which a dark entity could push me, that I could be driven completely insane by torture or other evil means and lose every shred of what I hold dear. And especially in the nuclear age, human moral choosing has acquired sublime power. The darkness of one willing to initiate nuclear war for profit would fill me with incredulous awe. Only the same God that bursts with marvelous love could produce such marvelous twistedness, and I must acknowledge the marvelousness of both, if not the beauty. At least in 3D, I see evil as a force which may sublimely dwarf the good and pure - to show itself with the power of nature's wrath in the face of only a tiny bit of hope. Just imagine what a planet with a totally negative 4D harvest must look like – a planet on which darkness has conquered all, on which nearly all 3D entities think of love only 5% of the time. Evil can win, and win big.

Another form of marvel is marvel at the exquisiteness of something. I consider exquisiteness to be fineness in craftsmanship and attention to detail so great that it becomes impossible not to marvel at. Nature has designed our circulatory systems with exquisite fineness. I think of illuminated Qur'ans, finely woven silk brocades, and genuine crop circles as being exquisite crafts.

But dark things too can instill genuine exquisite marvel. A Samurai sword is well-known for being a particularly beautiful and exquisitely crafted instrument of death. A form of torture may draw marvel for its dark exquisiteness, the way it pulls out all the stops to break a mind and body. To become a black-hearted negative entity, one's twisting of oneself must be a form of exquisite craftsmanship. Much in the doing of evil requires exquisite focus and attention, and this is no less aesthetically marvelous than if it were applied to the good.

We marvel also at things which are ingenious – that is, things that clearly took a lot of brilliant thought to create. Many of us marvel at computers (which to me are next to magical), and our minds boggle when we try to comprehend how something so complex could have been invented. We marvel at ingenious books and movies which surprise us with their depth, reality, and skillfully convoluted plots. The ingenuity of structural engineers who build things like the Burj Khalifa is striking to us.

I don't think dark genius is any less striking. I can't look at the genius of the negative ruling elite's schemes and not be extremely impressed. They have created not just a brilliant ponzi scheme with their central banks, but have propagated an entire societal worldview designed to legitimize and camouflage it. Everything they do to play on our fear and keep us ensnared in addiction and ignorance exhibits an enormous level of sheer predatory genius. Their dark brilliance draws genuine marvel from me.

Harmony is another thing that makes us marvel. We marvel at the rich and interwoven processes that add up to an ecosystem with awe. It is the harmony of many and varied instruments that is the soul of the world's most beautiful music. Anthropologists and sociologists are endlessly curious about what makes families, cultures, and societies harmonious.

So it is with the harmony of dark forces. I was recently on the receiving end of a negative greeting that left me amazed at how the entities involved worked with each other to deceive me, destabilize my mind, and fill me with fear over the course of days. Their predatory pack behavior was quite like that of a winning sports team that had scouted its opponent, knew how to play together, and dominated the game. The mere fact that negative, self service-oriented entities can hold a social memory complex together fascinates me – they manage to weave a society together with the threads of lust, greed, fear, and a shared will to dominate for its own sake, without an ounce of love sustaining the balance. Brittany Lynn's off-site “Adam” channeling mentioned the marvelousness of the rare 5D negative social memory complex that manages to form. How such a thing can happen when nearly total self-service is desired by all the entities is unknown to me, and frankly I want to find out – from a safe distance.

So far I've written about how the darkness makes me marvel in and of itself. Previous posters were right to criticize the fact that I thought it was beautiful – that simply wasn't the right word. Now I'll say a few words about how I think darkness can become actually beautiful – when it meets the light in the right way.

When the power of human darkness rises to sublime intensity, love is also given a chance to show its sublime nature – its being a powerful natural force. The Nazi camps were a source of sublime horror to their occupants, crushing them and stripping them of all strength, but there were those who could not be crushed. The people who shared their last scraps of bread or otherwise sacrificed for others in those camps made their love immortal and indestructible and exhibited its potential to be a sublime power. Ra mentioned warfare in general as being a circumstance which gives beings the opportunity to make heroic sacrifices in the name of love. Running out into crossfire to drag a wounded stranger to safety or resisting coercive pressure to fight a war one does not believe in are both examples of how the darkness of war, when it meets the light, creates an occasion for beauty. When love conquers darkness in such terrible circumstances, breaking through so much fear and resistance and confusion, it shows it is a truly cosmic power that will last until the universe breaks apart.

I think the particular ways we adapt to dark circumstances can be beautiful too. When faced with horror, we are given a chance to show our spiritual guts. Each of us has our own attunement to love and wisdom that dictates our responses to such situations. Will we insulate ourselves from the pain, or will we be simultaneously vulnerable and steely, absorbing the trauma and stripping the essential lessons from it with a sense of urgency, knowing we are being given a dark gift? How will we use our heads, hearts, and guts, and in what unique balance, to process the trauma? This act of adaptation I think is a beautiful organic process, an expression of the will to triumph and survive in a spiritual sense.

The honesty required of us in such moments is also beautiful, even if the honest response is just to break down, having only the tiniest bit of faith that God won't leave our hearts dark forever. One who maintains a connection to love in very painful and even horrific circumstances is beautiful – think of a single tree that survived a forest fire, alone and half-burnt among the ruins but still standing there, alive. From then on it will always be the tallest tree in the forest, and anyone who sees it will want to know its story.

In general I think negative entities exhibit a tragic beauty – they spend an unfathomable length of time moving up through the densities, at war with everyone who isn't them, each to lovingly craft a facade they consider perfect. But that facade will one day be stripped from them as they find that the most perfect identity of all was never something they could construct. The fate of the negative entity makes me think of Don Quixote tilting at windmills, but with the tragic cost of so much suffering endured and inflicted on others on the way to the final realization. And in the end, it seems God simply nods to them – no bad karma, no lifetimes of repentance, just a mote of dust removed from the eye and an open-armed welcome to balanced 6D life. This strikes me as starkly beautiful - in the end, Satan gets a pardon and a hug. God wastes no time or effort on a melodrama of punishment. God's love holds none of our fear.

There may be another thing about negative entities that I think could be considered beautiful. If you read the Hidden Hand material or any of Brittany Lynn's “Adam” material, they both broach the topic (I think both do; Adam may do so indirectly) of balanced 6D social memory complexes deliberately sending out negative wanderers to help offer catalyst to a planet whose evolution is stagnant. If the negative elite in control of our planet were really 6D wanderers sent to bear us up on crucifixes so our pain might be redeemed in light, I consider that at once strange, fortunate, unfortunate, marvelous, and beautiful. Essentially, you could be tortured by Ra.

So that's my spiel. I know I promised it three or four days ago but I had a lot to sort out in order to write this. I hope you all got something out of it.

Peace,

-Chuck

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Parsons wrote:

One of these distortions is taking the concept of finding love in every single action that is made way too far. There is no love in the mind of the murderer committing the heinous act or in the action of a brutal murder itself. There may be love as a result of this murder in the bringing together of the ones left alive in a learning experience, but the act itself was not necessary in the first place and there is no beauty or love in it. I think people are lumping in the action with the reaction together here.

I think that in one sense you can construe the innate love in all of us as the desire not to suffer. We all follow an STO path because we desire not to suffer, and that orientation is what we have discovered to be the antidote to suffering. Is a murderer not also trying to remove their suffering, albeit unskillfully? I think their self-love is still love of a sort.

Patrick wrote:

I would suggest we not forget that STS is there to show us that which we are not. I choose to forgive everything they do, because in the end it's a great service.

In my opinion STS is also there to show us that which we are.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Parsons]

Fear is the opposite of love. The above posts by TheEternal articulate the concept of hatred being a distortion of love better than I can.

[J.Q.]

In general I think negative entities exhibit a tragic beauty – they spend an unfathomable length of time moving up through the densities, at war with everyone who isn't them, each to lovingly craft a facade they consider perfect. But that facade will one day be stripped from them as they find that the most perfect identity of all was never something they could construct.

Couldn't help but notice that this passage describes perfectly the arc of so many third density human lives "dedicated" passively and unconsciously to negative polarity--the simple sleeping dolts who are so abundant and make up the manipulated masses, those who support the wars and think the presidential candidates offer real political choices and will lend a curious ear, not only to the blathering propaganda puppets at CNN and Fox, but even to the pharmaceutical commercials that interrupt them from time to time ("Gee, maybe I DO suffer from that"). In short, those who fall for the propaganda and never awaken--not spiritually, not emotionally, not even intellectually--and slowly die within as they blindly pursue success and the respect of their communities at all costs, "living" (in name only) through a facade self in a fabricated dream world they call "reality"--a reality they insist on imposing on you.... There is tragedy indeed in all this, but it is also woefully pathetic, almost laughably so, and not in any way grandiose or marvelous. And though you are referring to superdimensional negative entities operating on a scale of intellect and power and magnitude that would beggar our poor human minds, still, how is this different, in the end, to Mr. & Mrs. Jones, who are (let's say) faithful low-level minions for Monsanto or Goldman Sachs or some other negative power source, with their 2.5 kids and perfect lawn with its chemical sheen and their battery of anti-depressants for the whole family in the medicine cabinet?

I have no answer for this question, by the way. I was just struck as I hit this part of your (excellent) post by the revelation that the only real difference between the hypothetical, tragic Luciferian figure you invoke and the banal, comic, TV-absorbing drones that surround us, is one of scale, not substance. One of the last weapons of seduction in the negative arsenal, the one they break out when they have nothing left to throw at you, is their poetry.

[DMCubic]

Yeah, JQ. That's why I commented on the sublime power of universal ignorance - it holds an ocean of humanity under hypnosis and moves them in a synchronized dance of fear and pain. Unlike STS entities, though, I think so many sleepwalkers cling to identities they love and hate. The negative path is a conscious path of self-refinement quite unlike theirs.

But that's not to say negativity doesn't largely rule this planet. Harvest is projected to be small. That means only a small percentage of people will attain even 51% in the polarity of love. That means a lot of people are spending over half their time hating and fearing. It's sad and I wish them all the best. Hopefully more awaken.

[Shin'Ar]

Fear is the opposite of love. The above posts by TheEternal articulate the concept of hatred being a distortion of love better than I can.

And in that frame of thinking can it not be said that love is a distortion of hatred?

or that the opposite of anything is a distortion of its opposite?

What is the point that is being made in saying this?

The issue being considered here is not one of how opposites relate to each other, nor can the issue be dismissed as semantic confusion.

The issue is also not a matter of dark being considered in the same regard as light in the thinking that both are simply aspects of creation of One Consciousness.

I have said before that just because all is found under one creation does not mean that all should be considered as a marvelous, awe inspiring, beautiful aspect of creation.

There is nothing marvelous about 7 billion human lives being instantly eradicated by the destruction following an asteroid strike.

One can say that it is a matter of persepctive. One can say that all which takes place has a purpose. One can even suggest that higher beings observing the sight from a point detached from any compassion for humanity might think it like some sort of grand fireworks display.

But, when all the attempts to make it seem like something other than pure destruction of life has been spoken, neither words nor thoughts can make such destruction anything rather than horrific destruction of life.

Fireworks are beautiful, unless someone in the process of that display becomes severely burned.

At that point it is no longer a matter of whether or not one chooses to define fireworks as a beautiful sight. The reality of the particular event, and what has happened to a living being at that time, supercedes any need to define or compare any of the components of the environment where the events take place.

Shall we really cast aside the sanctity of life and the precious existence of intelligent being just so we can somehow calculate and categorize the aspects of creation which such life and being are subjected to?

In my thinking, intelligent being, acknowledging the sacredness of life, does not cast aside that sanctity for the sake of interpretation and inclusion of all things.

Rather intelligent being, valuing the sanctity of life, relishing the interaction between fields of consciousness, and loving the process of being, considers all aspects of creation by evaluatiing their affects on that treasure they so revere.

This, and this alone is both the hallmark, and the difference between one who loves, and one who gives love no special value.

Evaluation and discernment of the sanctity of life is what separates those who place value on love and light, and those who would attempt to degrade love into the same category as hate.

if one places no value on things that manifest the aspects of creation which enhance life, and bring an aura of joy to it, then it would make sense that they would also not evaluate the negative aspect of experiences which belittle and degrade life.

Now this is my opinion, and is not meant to be offending or directed toward anyone in particluar.

Should anyone choose to be angry with me for having an opinion and considering my thoughts on a matter in depth, then they should also ask themselves why they then have the right to be angry.

this is a forum of discussion where we exchange thoughts with indepth consideration. if we are intelligent enought to realize that not all will agree in their thought processing, there should be no need to take offense unless it is obviously directed.

[AnthroHeart]

So DMC, one must awaken to be part of that 51%?
I personally don't get the view that it's sad. Everyone will awaken in their own time.
People will be harvested when they are ready, and there's no judgment.
When we walk the steps of light, Quo says that we stop where we're perfectly comfortable, and if some need to repeat 3D, they do so willingly, without judgment.

I don't worry about harvest, but I strive to do what I can to be part of that 51%. I like what you said about "spending over half their time hating and fearing." So this is your view of those who don't make graduation. It's because they live in fear?

I think some of that has to do with environment as well. If I had a lot of abuse in my life, I'd have fear and hatred, and according to your definition, wouldn't be harvestable. But I live in a relatively peaceful environment, which allows me to awaken. So I believe that people can reach 51% without knowing anything about the Law of One.

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Yeah, JQ. That's why I commented on the sublime power of universal ignorance - it holds an ocean of humanity under hypnosis and moves them in a synchronized dance of fear and pain. Unlike STS entities, though, I think so many sleepwalkers cling to identities they love and hate. The negative path is a conscious path of self-refinement quite unlike theirs.

But that's not to say negativity doesn't largely rule this planet. Harvest is projected to be small. That means only a small percentage of people will attain even 51% in the polarity of love. That means a lot of people are spending over half their time hating and fearing. It's sad and I wish them all the best. Hopefully more awaken.

[Patrick]

Fear is the opposite of love. The above posts by TheEternal articulate the concept of hatred being a distortion of love better than I can.

And in that frame of thinking can it not be said that love is a distortion of hatred?

or that the opposite of anything is a distortion of its opposite?
...

A point on a circle. And since the circle is actually an infinite spiral, we ain't seen nothing yet! There is a wonderful and infinite journey ahead.

[AnthroHeart]

Fear is the opposite of love. The above posts by TheEternal articulate the concept of hatred being a distortion of love better than I can.

And in that frame of thinking can it not be said that love is a distortion of hatred?

or that the opposite of anything is a distortion of its opposite?
...

A point on a circle. And since the circle is actually an infinite spiral, we ain't seen nothing yet! There is a wonderful and infinite journey ahead.

To quote the line from possibly my favorite song, "the ride has just begun"

[DMCubic]

Gemini Wolf said:

So DMC, one must awaken to be part of that 51%?
I personally don't get the view that it's sad. Everyone will awaken in their own time.

...

I like what you said about "spending over half their time hating and fearing." So this is your view of those who don't make graduation. It's because they live in fear?

I think some of that has to do with environment as well. If I had a lot of abuse in my life, I'd have fear and hatred, and according to your definition, wouldn't be harvestable. But I live in a relatively peaceful environment, which allows me to awaken. So I believe that people can reach 51% without knowing anything about the Law of One.

A running theme in this thread has been integrating the macrocosmic and microcosmic worldviews into a lived synthesis.

To offer a counterpoint to what I think is a macrocosmically-tinged view of people's awakening in their own time as not sad, consider someone who needs to live out a cycle of raping and being raped in 100 incarnations before they "get it" and polarize.

"Their own time" is pretty far in the future, and sure, every angel eventually gets its wings, but such a cycle of karma is pretty sad to me.

If you believe in freedom of choice, you have to admit that it's pretty sad and stupid to serve oneself such a nasty karmic painstorm.

And if you don't believe in freedom of choice, it's sad that a being was destined to be put through the wringer like that, even if it is eventually dwarfed by the magnitude of their redemption.

I don't entirely believe my own counterpoint to you here, but I felt like expressing that view here.

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As for non-seekers being ruled by hate and fear, just consider what the ego is made out of. Those emotions are what glue it together.

Part of realizing the Law of One, inasmuch as is possible for 3D life forms, is realizing the ego is a transient identity which, at root, is a coping mechanism gone haywire to the point of sabotaging its own desire for peace.

I don't think it's possible to "seek the heart of self" and not eventually discover this.

But even well-polarized positive people with decent tendencies toward spiritual seeking have hateful, fearful egos that are addicted to power and control, to a greater or lesser degree.

Basically, the degree to which one has not sloughed off their egoic tendencies is the degree to which they live in chronic hate and fear.

So yes, Gemini Wolf, I think those who don't make (positive) graduation miss it because they haven't given self-investigation a shot, thereby not identifying their ego to be transient, and therefore not taking steps to come out of that egoic shell of chronic hate and fear to a harvestable degree.

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I think people who endure a lot of trauma and develop fear and hate may develop it on a shallower level than the deep tendencies of love and acceptance in their minds allow for.

It may be true that trauma could hinder one's polarization attempts on the level of the physical body/mind complex, but that the spirit portion remains pretty much unaffected and continues a subconscious seeking for greater polarity.

If that's true, the physical bodymind-level trauma symptoms may not carry an overwhelming amount of weight in terms of dictating the being's true degree of polarization - at least for some.

...

(This last section gets fairly speculative, just to warn y'all.)

As for people not necessarily needing to know anything about the Law of One to awaken, Ra said differently: they must know that they don't know.

Frankly I think the Law of One is understandable in 3D - that all is one is, I think, entirely obvious if you cast aside your doubts and just look for a minute.

But because of the veil, the implications of that Oneness are hidden from the one who realizes it - one cannot know for sure how much richness and texture is present in that One. That is what one must know they don't know.

I think that's why service to self or service to others is The Choice in veiled 3D life. I believe one who seeks to know reality must eventually realize it to be all-one - that their own consciousness is the only thing that could possibly exist, period.

Knowing that, they are forced to make The Choice: whether to live life as a complete solipsist with no regard for the fake and useless dream-figments around them, except as to how they may be used to enrich one's dreaming (negative), or to treat the dream-people as being very real aspects of one's own overarching God-mind whose complete containment of those "others" is only temporarily obscured due to the veil (positive).

In other words, I think STS beings may interpret Oneness to mean "it's all a dream so others must all be fake appearances; after all, my intuition is that complete isolation is ultimate reality," whereas STO beings may interpret Oneness to mean "it's all a dream so all of our minds must be real and intermixed; after all, my intuition is that interconnected love is the reality."

I don't know for sure how the negative choice works, but for me, the positive choice was reached in this way (probably with plenty of past positive-seeking karma to back up my intuition).

One still does have to bear in mind that in 4D negative, the veil drops and social memory complexes form.

But even with one's personal mind being situated in an interpersonal social memory complex, one may still have a strong enough intuition of empty-world solipsism to hold to the idea that the newfound richness and texture given by the presence of other-minds is still obviously just a simulation, so why care except to learn to revel in it in order to further one's own essentially solipsistic quest for self-perfection?

Even the delight negative beings may take in the suffering of others could be construed as delight taken in what they take to be free play within an empty dream world - they feel, deep down, that they are morally free to craft as dark an identity for themselves as they want, and since they love to do it, that's what they do.

Part of the thrill of indulging in dark behavior is, after all, the sense of total abandonment of consequence.

I could see such moral abandonment being attractive to negative people because it would serve as a mark of their full dedication to eternal aloneness and the principle of total freedom to do as one pleases.

The suffering they inflict on others may be something they view as literally unreal, of no consequence to anyone except as it pleases them to simulate its infliction. The high would be just as real.

But I have no real idea how negative 3D characters really view themselves or the world. They could arrive at their polarity in other ways.

I think total, empty-world solipsism is probably a good explanation for the mind state of at least some of them, though.

[AnthroHeart]

Essentially, you could be tortured by Ra.

There was a song I heard by the musical group Ra that scared the crap out of me when I was out of my mind. It's called Waste of Space by Ra, where they sing "You're at the top of my wanted list." Mind you at that time I thought it really was Ra singing to me.

You can find Ra Waste of Space on YouTube if you wish. This was my personal catalyst.

[DMCubic]

I listened to the lyrics. I would've freaked out too if I thought my native social memory complex was calling me a lying waste of space with no good intentions to speak of.

[AnthroHeart]

I listened to the lyrics. I would've freaked out too if I thought my native social memory complex was calling me a lying waste of space with no good intentions to speak of.

Native Social Memory Complex. I like that. I feel much the same way. In my experiences, I was doing a lot for Ra. Even if I might not have shown much wisdom, I was playfully eager. I even saw Ra in minature form once. It was a hallucination, but he was doing hand gestures as if performing magic. He seemed about 6 inches tall, standing on the table across from me, not saying a word. Too bad I didn't have my glasses on, or I'd have made out more of his features.

[Huntress]

As for non-seekers being ruled by hate and fear, just consider what the ego is made out of. Those emotions are what glue it together.

Part of realizing the Law of One, inasmuch as is possible for 3D life forms, is realizing the ego is a transient identity which, at root, is a coping mechanism gone haywire to the point of sabotaging its own desire for peace.

I don't think it's possible to "seek the heart of self" and not eventually discover this.

This is almost word for word my thoughts on the matter.

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if the ego in its sabotaging can go as far as to cause mental aberrations.

[Huntress]

I think imbalances can result in many difficulties affecting the mental body. Ego is a sure source of potential imbalance. I'd say the sabotage/learning definitely could result in mental aberrations if the imbalance is of great enough magnitude or duration to produce that.

Thankfully, the ways we teach ourselves evolve into less painful, traumatizing experiences. Sabotaging becomes more civilized, and evolves into a more harmonious way of learning. Ego begins to be transcended when it is viewed as a "transient coping mechanism gone haywire". We realize we do not need to learn using those haywire mechanism, & we utilize new, more harmonious options to navigate existance.

The breakdown of mental, physical, spiritual, &/or emotional bodies experienced before coming to that point can be terrifying & miserable. Sabotage by the ego is a basic, primitive way of learning. Extremely useful & obviously necessary, yet I'm so grateful there is opportunity to travel beyond such limiting, limited methods.

[BlatzAdict]

I wish I could participate in this forum with telepathy instead of words
it would be so much easier haha

[Patrick]

I wish I could participate in this forum with telepathy instead of words
it would be so much easier haha

Coming to a planet near you... stay tuned!

[Parsons]

Hatred, in our opinion, is just anger at Love, and is not actually an opposite to or lack of Love.

I would disagree with some confusion over exactly how you support that mode of thinking.

Let us speak about the fingerprint on the window that is called fear. In effect each fingerprint could be labeled fear because fear is the opposite of love. When this instrument, in the example spoken of in the question posed in this group, chose to give the possession of her ring to whichever homeless person or beggar in her city asked of her for the value of money, she discovered that place of fear within her: that fear of being approached, of looking into the eyes of another self and being asked for something that she could not give or did not feel that she had the right to give. When she carried that ring with her with the intention of giving it away, the fear lifted. And in that lifting of the fear a connection of love which was made because she could look in the eye of everyone that passed her, knowing that she could be of service when service was asked of her.

My point in stating that fear was the opposite of love was to clarify this point. I believe it is important to understand that hatred is a distortion of love. In hating someone, you actually love them in a specific way. In fearing someone, you contract your love away from them.