Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[Patrick]

We always see what we want to see.

Here is what I saw in what you quoted "...It is, however, to be noted that this event is metaphysical rather than physical. There is nothing inevitable, in terms of physicality, about what is going to occur at the Winter Solstice of 2012..."

[Conifer16]

Well now I'm about 95%(up from 90%) certain that there WILL be some kind of switch over to 4D that will have some large changes take place on or around the solstice in a very short period of time(such as the ending of time as we know it, as per this Q'uo'te). I never saw very much evidence that there was going to be a gradual changeover over many incarnations into 4th, and now I am understanding that point of view less and less the more I read for myself.

Secondly, the Mayan calendar and many other systems indicate that 2012 is the end of an Age. Indeed, the Mayans end time is in 2012, at the Winter Solstice. This is an accurate assessment of the movement of the planet itself into the Age of Aquarius. This Age begins a kind of octave and is a tremendous shift. It is occurring very much on time and on schedule. It is, however, to be noted that this event is metaphysical rather than physical. There is nothing inevitable, in terms of physicality, about what is going to occur at the Winter Solstice of 2012.

It is the hope of many entities such as this instrument that in between now and 2012 it will be possible to continue to create an environment in which entities may awaken as to the choice of polarity that they have to make. It is equally hoped by this instrument and many others that they will be able to serve by helping the planet itself, and in this case we are speaking of the third-density Gaia, after 2012. There is a considerable amount of restitution and rebalancing which entities such as you and this instrument may do in order to help the planet itself to heal after the grievous wounds inflicted upon it by the humankind that dwells upon this planet.

Third density itself is waning. The need for wanderers and their lightening of the planet will cease in 2012. However, the need for all of those who live and who dwell on planet Earth as natives, which includes all wanderers, continues to be that of being loving stewards of the planet itself.

It is possible, when you search your heart, that you may find great resonance not so much in your service to the people of planet Earth as to your determination to serve the planet itself. And that is something you may ponder.

In leaving this subject we would take note that we found this instrument’s vibration dropping considerably when this question was asked. And that indicates to us, since we know that this instrument herself is not fearful concerning the times to come, that the query that you asked held a certain amount of fear.

In an atmosphere of fear, it is difficult for the truth to come through. If that fear is held and if the focus of that fear is gradually intensified with each new specific piece of information found, then we would observe that you are creating the potential for undoing the work of polarization in consciousness that you so carefully and persistently have pursued.

Also of note is the fact that this question detuned the contact a bit due to fear. This has long been my suspicion about people who are super gung-ho SURE the shift will be gradual and don't seem to want to consider the possibility of things changing suddenly.

To be crystal clear about my opinion of the matter, I am NOT accusing anyone of being a fearful person in general. I am merely pointing out SOME people may be biased by a fear of a sudden shift into 4D.

If you find yourself dwelling in the precincts of fear, cast your minds immediately to the grave. Lie down in your grave and realize that this is the end of your body. When you have gotten very clearly in mind the inevitability of physical death, arise from that grave. For today you are alive! Today the sun shines upon you and you bloom like a flower. In your blooming, praise the one infinite Creator and know that both in life and in death your consciousness is unchanged.

Please Q'uo's advice here and do not fear having your comfortable niche you have carved out of 3D being changed abruptly. It can only get better from here. :idea:

P.S. I highly recommend finishing the rest of this session; it outlines a few concepts of everyday life in 4D vs 3D that are extremely interesting such as the concept of us spitting up into "clans" of like-minded individuals, which will replace the concept of 3D families. It also states there will be no need to earn money to survive.

what session is that? :-) or where can i find it?

[Parsons]

Woops, forgot to link it. http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1014.aspx

@Patrick. I knew that particular set of text would be quoted by someone with the opposing viewpoint. That quote in no way supports a gradual viewpoint or any way negates the other bolded parts of this quote. Metaphysical doesn't automatically mean there will be no perceptible difference.

If anyone with a gradualistic viewpoint wants to debate this further with me, they will need to directly adress this quote:
"Indeed, the Mayans end time is in 2012, at the Winter Solstice. This is an accurate assessment of the movement of the planet itself into the Age of Aquarius."

I'm pretty damn sure having time Dec 20th and NO TIME December 21st on forward will be a perceptible difference.

[Spaced]

My own 2 cents on the matter is that there may be an abrupt metaphysical change, but our bodies will still be mostly tuned to 3D so it will be almost imperceptible to us. We will then need a period of evolution before our physical situation catches up to the metaphysical changes.

[Conifer16]

thanks parsons :-)

[AnthroHeart]

Please Q'uo's advice here and do not fear having your comfortable niche you have carved out of 3D being changed abruptly. It can only get better from here. :idea:

P.S. I highly recommend finishing the rest of this session; it outlines a few concepts of everyday life in 4D vs 3D that are extremely interesting such as the concept of us spitting up into "clans" of like-minded individuals, which will replace the concept of 3D families. It also states there will be no need to earn money to survive.

Indeed, the best is yet to come.



A few lines I love from this song:

1) lock the past away
2) Define your place in the sun - (sounds like 6th Density)
3) This ride has just begun
4) The best is yet to come

They all stick out for me.

[Patrick]

Parsons my friend, I do wish harvest would be abrupt in space/time, but that is not how I understand it.

IMHO I think it is important that you follow your heart on this, you can't go wrong.

[AnthroHeart]

Parsons my friend, I do wish harvest would be abrupt in space/time, but that is not how I understand it.

IMHO I think it is important that you follow your heart on this, you can't go wrong.

I don't know, but since I changed my med, I've been in a good mood these last few weeks. I've also been a lot more aroused, which wasn't the case on my other med (I had no libido on that one). The old med completely shut down my 3rd eye and crown chakra. Now I can feel them without being overloaded. Life is looking a lot brighter. I think I'm feeling more of harvest times. The positivity of the planet as we tip the scales. Negativity doesn't seem to get to me as much as it used to. It's still present around me, though.

When I see someone who's really angry and cursing, throwing a tantrum, I wonder about them being a mirror to myself. I don't get that angry and hostile inside. So I wonder from where within me is this other angry person being generated. What in me is causing them to be angry.

[Bring4th_Austin]

If anyone with a gradualistic viewpoint wants to debate this further with me, they will need to directly adress this quote:
"Indeed, the Mayans end time is in 2012, at the Winter Solstice. This is an accurate assessment of the movement of the planet itself into the Age of Aquarius."

I'm pretty damn sure having time Dec 20th and NO TIME December 21st on forward will be a perceptible difference.

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing the idea that there will be "NO TIME" on December 21st? Is it because Q'uo says "the Mayan's end time is in 2012"?

Also, what virtue do you personally see in discussing the topic of "instant vs. gradual?" Four months will go by very quickly, and we'll have a direct answer then.

And a rhetorical question: how long after the Winter solstice would there have to be no perceptible difference in order for one to let go of an attachment to such a concept? How would one who holds such attachments react in such a case? Is there an emotional "hope" involved in this attachment? Will there be an equal emotional reaction of disappointment if such an event doesn't occur?


We are here in this plane to work with emotions. No matter how we feel about any certain topic, I feel it's important to never take our eyes off of the emotional content in our experience. What will happen doesn't really matter in my eyes; how it makes us feel is what's important.

[Parsons]

The virtue of wanting to discuss this before hand is to try to offer an unbiased viewpoint of this concept which was biased by both the contact itself then by other forum members offering their biased opinion on the subject and not stating or implying it was a contested viewpoint. Many students of the LOO seem to allow themselves to be swayed by others opinions/interpretations instead of forming their own opinion completely on their own. Ra/Q'uo stated over and over again that they are not authorities, which should certainly mean that not a single person should be an authority here.

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if any of our past lives have any bearing on whether we are harvestable.
Like if we were harvested in a previous life, and came here dual-activated, is it possible
that even by living a normal life we might unintentionally undo that harvesting due to karmic debt?
So we were once harvested, and then we're not?

[Sagittarius]

I think it will be gradually instant hehe.

[AnthroHeart]

I believe there are cave drawings and such which depict sudden events in the past. Don't we have archeological data that supports sudden changes. There are even 65 million year cycles of change if I recall correctly. Boy I must really like this thread.

Sag, that was funny. We'll know soon enough won't we.

[Bring4th_Austin]

The virtue of wanting to discuss this before hand is to try to offer an unbiased viewpoint of this concept which was biased by both the contact itself then by other forum members offering their biased opinion on the subject and not stating or implying it was a contested viewpoint. Many students of the LOO seem to allow themselves to be swayed by others opinions/interpretations instead of forming their own opinion completely on their own. Ra/Q'uo stated over and over again that they are not authorities, which should certainly mean that not a single person should be an authority here.

Point taken, I suppose the next thing I would ask is what virtue would an unbiased perspective on this particular topic offer an individual, supposing such a thing is even possible?

Also I'm not sure if you saw this question:

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing the idea that there will be "NO TIME" on December 21st? Is it because Q'uo says "the Mayan's end time is in 2012"?

I am interested to know if there is some supplemental material offering this viewpoint that I'm missing, or if the interpretation is from those specific words.

[Parsons]

I don't think there is any middle ground on this particular topic, it's either there is no percievable difference since its spread over aproxamatly 100 years OR there are sudden changes and THEN there is a transitional period of 100 years.

What I mean by biased/unbiased is a new person to these forums typically brings this topic up and a tenured member with a gradual view responds with "it will be a gradual transition over 100-700 years" and states this as if it were a fact and not an opinion.

There seems to be fear involved in BOTH viewpoints. The people with a gradualistic viewpoint seem to tend to fear an abrupt change because they believe they must die in order to graduate or simply don't want to give up 3D concepts such as biological families.

On the other hand, there is a huge fear from people who believe it will be abrupt that it will be gradual since they would suffer a life of crushing 3D mediocrity and dysarmony, money to survive, and 3D relationship obligations.

Its not so much a virtue to have an unbiased opinion on the matter, but more or less to not attempt to influence new members with anyone's biased opinion. If I state my opinion on the matter, I always label it as such if I am responding to a new member's query.

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Also I'm not sure if you saw this question:

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing the idea that there will be "NO TIME" on December 21st? Is it because Q'uo says "the Mayan's end time is in 2012"?

I am interested to know if there is some supplemental material offering this viewpoint that I'm missing, or if the interpretation is from those specific words.

I did see the query and I didn't have a definitive answer at the time as I was at work and needed time to re-contemplate the quote. I made the brief reply I did from my iphone on my short lunch break. I just got home, so:

I will be perfectly honest and state I DID read it as "the Mayan's end time in 2012" the first time. I have re-examined the quote since then and still think it means the same thing, roughly. We know that the concept of "end times" which has been repeated by Ra/Q'uo several times refers to the end of 3D and the beginning of 4D and arguably the end of time as well.

I would argue that one of the common threads among pretty much all channelings that ever tackle the subject of the end of 3D / Dec 21st are consistent in their view of this. I don't know if I could classify Dec 21st as a "prediction" because that is like saying you predict the hour hand on a clock will reach 12 today. There is no possibility/probability involved in the alignment that will occur, it is a certainty we will align with the great rift at the center of the galaxy. The implications of this event, however, are up for argument.

[anagogy]

I think it will be gradually instant hehe.

Actually, you are pretty close to the truth in my opinion, Sagittarius.

From my point of view, we will not all move to 4th density at the exact same time.

The 100-700 time span transition date, given by Ra, is for the whole planetary transition to occur -- the complete raising of the Earth into 4th density, since it is at the end of its 75,000 year 3rd density master cycle. Human 4th density candidates, are not bound to this generalized rate of vibrational increase. Beings possessed of free will move at different rates of progression. There will be a great deal of variance within the human population with regards to how fast our individual vibrational dials are "turned" so to speak.

I assure you there have been groups down through the ages, who raised their bodies into the 4th density spatial continua by living in the light, and consciously raising their vibrations to the point where they were resonant with green ray beingness. There is no law written in the sky, that change has to be slow.

Some, at the soul level, will choose to die to 3rd density, and reincarnate in 4th density bodies.

Some will choose to remain incarnate upon the Earth as we know it, and gradually raise in vibration with the Earth. These will experience a gradual increase in life-span over the next couple of generations, and a gradual increase in psychic awareness, but for the most part, will also eventually die, and reincarnate in 4th density bodies (provided they are 4th density harvestable). The diet of humans undergoing this transition will gradually change to more of a liquid based diet. Some individuals will learn to subsist on just energy (not have to eat).

Other individuals, will raise the vibrations of their bodies faster than the Earth does, and as such, will change frequencies faster than the Earth does. These beings will transmute their 3rd density bodies into 4th density bodies, with no intervening time/space discarnate phase.

2012 (or approximately around that time-frame) just signals the full exposure of the Earth to the 4th density magnetizing forces. So, we are almost at full signal strength, and the Earth will be "entrained" to this organizing influence over the course of the next 100-700 years. Individuals, in and of themselves, can entrain to it faster. Especially through the use of intelligent energy, which is transformitive in nature.

Really, it is absolutely possible. If one were a spiritual genius, one could penetrate intelligent infinity, and go straight to the next octave of densities. More and more, we need to break away from the illusion of limits. There are literally infinite possibilities.

We must celebrate our own individual journeys, and rejoice in the variety of evolution that is possible.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you anagogy.
I think there was a few times where my mind and body began to penetrate 4D, and it threw me off because I didn't feel grounded any longer. There were both heavenly feelings, and fear as I faced myself. I just don't have the diet to change into 4D the right way. So I'll find it through death one day, unless something spectacular happens in my life.

[Parsons]

I am 100% sure diet will not be some kind of requirment to graduate to 4D or not... The point of graduating from 3D is to make the Choice, which would make zero sense if diet were some kind requirment for entry. Aren't dolphins 3D eligible to graduate to 4D who only carnivorous only?

I'm not saying diet couldn't be a contributing factor if someone wanted to use it as a supplement to their mental state/overall intentions. I am just saying don't give up on graduating because you think that is some kind of entry requirement.

[anagogy]

Thank you anagogy.
I think there was a few times where my mind and body began to penetrate 4D, and it threw me off because I didn't feel grounded any longer. There were both heavenly feelings, and fear as I faced myself. I just don't have the diet to change into 4D the right way. So I'll find it through death one day, unless something spectacular happens in my life.

That is something I'm trying to impress upon people. There is no right way to transfer into 4th density.

My advice is not to get attached to any particular manner of entrance into that vibrational spectrum. We all have different plans for activation, movement, and transformation.

Find those thoughts within you, in every moment, which fill you with the most joy. Inner joy, love, and peace are the result of inner guidance letting you know you are in alignment with your Highest Self.

Connection feels good. Disconnection feels bad. Your emotions are always communication from your Higher Self that is always available to you. Emotions arise in response to what or how you are thinking about things. If the way you think about things is in complete contradiction with how the Higher Being within you sees things, you will know it in the form of intense negative emotion. Conversely, you will also know when you have resonated even more closely with your Higher Self in the form of intense euphoric happiness.

I am 100% sure diet will not be some kind of requirment to graduate to 4D or not... The point of graduating from 3D is to make the Choice, which would make zero sense if diet were some kind requirment for entry. Aren't dolphins 3D eligible to graduate to 4D who only carnivorous only?

I'm not saying diet couldn't be a contributing factor if someone wanted to use it as a supplement to their mental state/overall intentions. I am just saying don't give up on graduating because you think that is some kind of entry requirement.

Diet is not a requirement, from my perspective.

I'm just saying over time, your body will start craving more liquidy things. As one entrains to the spectrum of 4th density, it results in phsyiological changes in the body. These can be very gradual, or relatively rapid. But there are physiological differences between 4th and 3rd, and this is the cause of some changing of diet. Food itself is a tangible crystallization of intangible vibration. We will begin to more and more crave higher vibrational food, as the physical density of our bodies is more and more released. I would never advise people to eat foods they didn't naturally crave.

And whether dolphins are 4D eligible, I prefer not to comment upon. I guess it depends how much stock you put in certain channelings. Personally, I'm not a big fan of "conscious channeling", as I can't feel much spiritual light in the conscious channelings I've investigated. I've always felt an immense amount of spiritual light within unconscious channeled sources. At least, in most cases. There are exceptions to every rule, of course.

If dolphins are 4D eligible, and I'm not denying that this is the case with some of them, they would also experience various physiological changes, over a variable time span, in their bodies as they entrained to that spectrum of consciousness. The diet of 4D beings is different from the diet of 3D beings.

[Peregrinus]

Really, it is absolutely possible. If one were a spiritual genius, one could penetrate intelligent infinity, and go straight to the next octave of densities. More and more, we need to break away from the illusion of limits. There are literally infinite possibilities.

Incorrect. Genius is not required, work is. Meditation, contemplation, prayer.

Opening/connecting to intelligent infinity is done in the indigo (during the natural meditative state), at some nexus in time after the green ray is fully open as are the three rays below. Resting within Intelligent Infinity does not "go straight to the octave of next densities". That requires a singular desire to end experience, by removal of all desires but that one, as Siddhartha Buddha desired. As for what IS, upon the end of this "octave", even Ra did not know, so if I may ask, how would you presume to know?

[Patrick]

Electric cars taking over is a real change that has lots of weight in our current illusion. So we can't say that there is no change. The Elites has stalled the EV for so long. But now they are becoming a reality.

[Parsons]

Out of curiosity, where are you seeing the idea that there will be "NO TIME" on December 21st? Is it because Q'uo says "the Mayan's end time is in 2012"?

Indeed, you have volunteered for an incarnation at this time because you wished to experience and be a part of the tremendous times that are at hand. [These are] times when a few people who discipline their minds and their thoughts can make a tremendous difference upon your planet not only in terms of the people of your planet but in terms of the comfort in the planet itself as it moves through the last of this birthing process.

The Mayans are among those civilizations which became aware of a cycle that stretched across long eras of your time. They saw that the planet itself would move through a very decisive change from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Pisces is at its end. The Age of Aquarius is in its dawn. Energies are shifting and the time of energy being as it has been for thousands of your years is rapidly coming to a close.

That time will end during what this instrument calls the winter solstice of the year 2012.

We would ask each who reads or hears our statements to pause at this time with us and release all fear.

(Pause)

It is easy to fear a concept as powerful as the end of time. We would say several things concerning this concept. Firstly, it is a metaphysical rather than a physical ending of time. Your planet as you know it shall move serenely on. Time will not seem to end to the physical eye.

The quality of time shall be different. In third density the differences will be only statistically perceptible. In metaphysical terms, in time/space terms, shall we say, that difference will be far more powerful.

This, to me, says time will end but that particular fact will not be perceptible, save for statistically.

This session in particular has many quotes that are touted by people with a gradual opinion that have been used many, many times. This being the number one quoted:

Nor do we suggest for a moment that all of you shall die in one dramatic planetary cataclysm. Indeed, once 2012 has come and gone, we are hoping that third density will have a considerable number of years, perhaps even centuries, in which those who choose to dwell in third-density [physical] vehicles may see to the continuing restitution or healing of your planet.

I will admit, the idea of 3D continuing on in some fashion after Dec 21st does put a hole in my view of a non-gradual shift, I just think that people may indeed get to graduate at their own pace. Perhaps some of the wanderers will make the decision to leave and go back to their density, since they will no longer be needed (as stated in one of the Q'uo'tes).

[anagogy]

Incorrect. Genius is not required, work is. Meditation, contemplation, prayer.

I suppose it depends on what you think "genius" is. I think of genius as a combination of intuitive and analytical skills. Oftentimes, what we call "genius" is the result of people doing the so called "work" in countless past incarnations. You have people that seemingly come into life with an amazing gift in some area of life, like physics, music, or painting. Many of these people simply spent countless hours contemplating or practicing these things both in and out of the body during and between incarnations.

The secret of genius is that everything is an amassing of thought. The more you focus on any given thought, the more other thoughts that are like it, join it. A sort of combustion occurs that magnifies the depth of the original thought. The genius is someone who developed quite a bit of "thought momentum" in a given area of life. This is the law of attraction at work.

So when I say "genius", I don't mean to imply "no work required, please pass go and collect your 200$."

Of course, there are circumstances where a random moment of extreme inspiration occurs. There is an exception to nearly every rule.

Also, consider how much "work" a social memory complex like Ra has put into becoming one with the Creator consciously, yet they still remain sixth density, with a couple million years still to go before they achieve union with the Creator. Yet, they still talk about the possibility of someone in 3rd density, opening the gateway to intelligent infinity and walking the universe with unfettered tread.

It is somewhat difficult to conceive that a 3rd density being would have an advantage that a 6th density social memory complex would not. There must be more to the story. Enlightenment is about more than just "work". There is another component in there, somewhere, hidden, yet discover-able.

They say, "Enlightenment is of the moment, is an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?"

I believe "inspiration" is that component -- that quality that cannot be taught, or even learned through "work". I believe it is a sudden transcendence of illusion, of seeing things as they really are, that is a completely spontaneous and visceral recognition of the self as creator.

Opening/connecting to intelligent infinity is done in the indigo (during the natural meditative state), at some nexus in time after the green ray is fully open as are the three rays below. Resting within Intelligent Infinity does not "go straight to the octave of next densities".

This is what Ra has said on the subject:

48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

As you can see, Ra says the next octave of experience. Access to intelligent infinity gives one the choice to do that, if one is so inclined. I never said one had to do that. It just becomes an option.

That requires a singular desire to end experience, by removal of all desires but that one, as Siddhartha Buddha desired. As for what IS, upon the end of this "octave", even Ra did not know, so if I may ask, how would you presume to know?

Ra said that the octave density functions as the first density in its later stages of the next octave of densities.

28.15 Questioner: Now, as the major galaxy is created, and I am assuming all of its densities— I am assuming all— there are eight densities created when this major galaxy is created. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, it is well to perceive that the eighth density functions also as the beginning density or first density, in its latter stages, of the next octave of densities.

As you can see, I have not told you anything that is not found in the Ra material.

[Patrick]

Well let me simply say this Parsons. I wish you are right!

[zenmaster]

I wonder if any of our past lives have any bearing on whether we are harvestable.

"Violet ray" corresponds to work in past lives.

[Parsons]

And this is WHY I have become more focused on this as of late:

We would indeed encourage each to take hold of life as the gift that it is, realizing that death is part of life, an outworking and a final stitch in a good pattern that you began in your mother’s womb. We do not see this event as being one that needs to be feared at all. We see it as part of a benign and healthy pattern. We hope that any time that we speak of the changes that are occurring in answer to your question, you are able to receive the information simply as information. It is, in all of its complexity, not that which need cause any fear whatsoever. Certainly, when the time nears midnight, entities will become more focused on that moment when today becomes tomorrow and a new beginning proceeds. We encourage you to enjoy the dawning of this new day.

[hogey11]

I don't see why it can't be both ways. Like anagogy wrote, the 100-700 year time period is tied to planetary progress, while we as individuals will play out our own incarnations within that timespan.

Let's take that deeper tho. I think the 'instant' argument holds weight in that I can imagine just a few earth changes that would absolutely change the way that people think on this planet. It would remove a large portion of confusion as well. For myself, this is hard to not imagine as possible harbingers of 4D flourishing on earth.

If the earth were to experience a release of repressed technologies, a fair global economy meant to encourage equal opportunity and efficient growth, a true representation of our history, and (dare I say?) something along the lines of disclosure, how would that change the world? Or perhaps more prudently - how would that not change the world?

I was walking the other day and was thinking about this and the thought that came to me is that we are going to be 3D for this incarnation until the end because that is where we come from. But that doesn't mean that we won't get to live in a 4D world as transitionals. What I mean by that is that we could very well find ourselves in a budding 4D world 25 years from now, complete with the same shitty fearful 3D thoughts and habits that we have now. They will probably be far more manageable, but I expectit will be our 'cross to bear' as we help raise the 4D generations below us.

I bring this idea forward because this is bent on the idea that nothing supernatural is going to happen to fundamentally change our reality. If we continue in the here and now forward, I still see a 4D world as a possibility, even without a switch to crystalline bodies and superpower abilities. I just continue to look forward with excitement

I will say this. I feel far more at peace with the world compared to last year. I feel content right now, tbh...

[AnthroHeart]

I'm just waiting to see what happens when we leave the time lateral and rejoin normal time.

[Ruth]

Harvest for me (in my garden) is gradual. I harvest whatever is ready at the moment.

[zenmaster]

I don't see why it can't be both ways. Like anagogy wrote, the 100-700 year time period is tied to planetary progress, while we as individuals will play out our own incarnations within that timespan.

Remember that the planet (as logos) is the entity that maintains the patterns of "mind" that we make use of in order to progress. Progress is only made with that aid you see. The more polarization progress the collective makes, the shorter the time period.