Trying to FIND a passage in the Law of One ...

[Ankh]

I thought of thought forms too:

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

[Steppingfeet]

Perhaps it was this Q'uo session, Gary?

The ability of your culture at this time to tolerate the situation where many, many entities do not have enough to eat is, among many other things, acting as a, shall we say, drag on the planetary evolution. For it reflects a carelessness among its members and a lack of appreciation for the qualities that humanity offers long before it justifies itself by being useful.

Great find! So it was Q'uo!? I am stunned at myself if this is the case. I thought I knew the material well enough to not make this mix-up.

Thanks abtf, this may very well be the culprit. This is the nugget of idea I had lodged in my memory, tagged with the key word "drag".

βαθμιαίος and Ankh, thanks for both of your finds. Each is in the outer rows of the same ballpark, but not quite what I had (or thought I had) in mind.

[Plenum]

new request

I am looking for the passage where Ra says they can't talk about some of the practices on Venus because it might bias our understanding.

Ra actually tells us a lot about 3rd Density Venus, but not in this particular case.

the usual searches have come up empty thus far.

thanks

[Steppingfeet]

new request

I am looking for the passage where Ra says they can't talk about some of the practices on Venus because it might bias our understanding.

Ra actually tells us a lot about 3rd Density Venus, but not in this particular case.

the usual searches have come up empty thus far.

thanks

Was it this one?

64.7 Questioner: What about fourth-density experience of Ra? Would that also lie beyond the Law of Confusion?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Let us express a thought. Ra is not elite. To speak of our specific experiences to a group which honors us is to guide to the point of a specific advising. Our work was that of your people, of experiencing the catalyst of joys and sorrows. Our circumstances were somewhat more harmonious. Let it be said that any entity or group may create the most splendid harmony in any outer atmosphere. Ra’s experiences are no more than your own. Yours is the dance at this space/time in third-density harvest.

[Plenum]

umm. No, I don't think that's the one.

it was something along the lines of "what was appropriate for us was appropriate for us, and what is appropriate for you is appropriate for you" and that revealing too much about us would make you question your own path or something like that. I can't remember the trigger words.

64.6 Questioner: Would it be helpful if Ra were to describe the techniques that Ra used while Ra was third-density to evolve in mind, body, and spirit?

Ra: I am Ra. This query lies beyond the Law of Confusion.

this is the previous Q&A to the one you posted, and is getting close. I think it came up in another Session ...

[Ankh]

76.12 Questioner: But I am assuming that the concepts of the tarot and the magical concepts of the Tree of Life, etc. were not in use by Ra. I suspect, possibly, some form of astrology was a previous Ra concept. This is just a guess. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. To express Ra’s methods of study of the archetypical mind under the system of distortions which we enjoyed would be to skew your own judgment of that which is appropriate for the system of distortions forming the conditions in which you learn/teach. Therefore, we must invoke the Law of Confusion.

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[Plenum]

Ankh, that's getting close, real close, but still isn't the one I remember?

it was more a question addressing social issues/practices, and I suspect would bring up things that are maybe taboo in our society.

[Ankh]

60.16 Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex to be at that time of paramount importance as the physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naive beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.

Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naiveté in third-density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naiveté shall not be necessary again.

At this space/time we may best serve you, we believe, by stating that the pyramid for meditation along with other rounded and arched or pointed circular shapes is of help to you. However, it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

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[Plenum]

getting close, getting close!

We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

I seem to remember it being a short Q&A, maybe a few sentences long (one paragraph answer perhaps).

I can almost see the passage, because it made me think about what sort of things they could have done on Venus that they couldn't tell us about.

thanks so much for the effort.

[Ankh]

I seem to remember it being a short Q&A, maybe a few sentences long (one paragraph answer perhaps).

I can almost see the passage, because it made me think about what sort of things they could have done on Venus that they couldn't tell us about.

Well, when you do find it, please let me know, as I am curios now too which passage you mean... =)

[Bring4th_Austin]

There's a passage where Ra says the only way that suppressing emotions may lead to polarizing positively is if it is out of care for other-selves...where is it......?

Edit: Never mind! Found it.

42.8
To the truly balanced entity no situation would be emotionally charged. With this understood, we may say the following: The repression of emotions depolarizes the entity in so far as it then chooses not to use the catalytic action of the space/time present in a spontaneous manner, thus dimming the energy centers. There is, however, some polarization towards positive if the cause of this repression is consideration for other-selves.

[Plenum]

There's a passage where Ra says the only way that suppressing emotions may lead to polarizing positively is if it is out of care for other-selves...where is it......?

Edit: Never mind! Found it.

42.8
There is, however, some polarization towards positive if the cause of this repression is consideration for other-selves.

buddhism speaks a bit about this. Right speech, right action, etc.

these things are not done for one's own self advancement, but for the care and solicitude for others.

eg, the Buddha reputedly ate meat if that was offered; because it was better to accept the gift and not waste food rather than stand on one's principles.

[Ankh]

Exactly what I was thinking! Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

[zenmaster]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

[Ankh]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

lol! Why?

[3DMonkey]

I like this thread but it never delivers. When I click on it, I want to answer a quiz. But it's always answered

[zenmaster]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

lol! Why?

Something I read in the Diamond Sutra and the Sutra of Hui-Neng.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

lol! Why?

If not taken literally, the idea is ripe for contemplation.

[Ankh]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

lol! Why?

If not taken literally, the idea is ripe for contemplation.

Still don't get it.

[Aaron]

Buddha sounds like my kind of guy.

If you meet the buddha, kill him.

lol! Why?

If not taken literally, the idea is ripe for contemplation.

Still don't get it.

I don't think I ever really got it either, but I think it might have to do with the idea that there must be no sense of self as Buddha. I think it applies to "meeting" the Buddha inside yourself as much as outside yourself, in the form of another.

[βαθμιαίος]

Here's one explanation: http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/670

I think it's similar to the idea that the tao that can be spoken is not the tao. If you think you have found the buddha (ie that which you seek), you're wrong. As Ra said, "...there is no end to ... your journey of seeking."

[Ankh]

Here's one explanation: http://www.dailybuddhism.com/archives/670

I think it's similar to the idea that the tao that can be spoken is not the tao. If you think you have found the buddha (ie that which you seek), you're wrong. As Ra said, "...there is no end to ... your journey of seeking."

Thanks! And thanks for linking it to the Ra quote. I get it now.

[Fat Lizard]

I remember a section where Ra says what forth or fifth density would be like.
where everything has a golden hue, and your consciousness links to the universal mind. Being one with plants, animals, other selves, and spirit.
It was a moving section seeing how many of us has had that experience.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Hey Fat Lizard, trying to dig them up. I don't recall a quote that had all these things together. As far as I know, here is the furthest Ra went into describing the conditions of fourth density:

16.50
Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

And as far as golden, you may be thinking of their description of sixth density:

33.20
Questioner: Just as a slight appendage to that question, what would the rays of fifth and sixth density look like?
Ra: I am Ra. We may speak only approximately. However, we hope you understand, shall we say, that there is a distinctive difference in the color structure of each density.

Fifth density is perhaps best described as extremely white in vibration.

The sixth density of a whiteness which contains a golden quality as you would perceive it; these colors having to do with the blending into wisdom of the compassion learned in fourth density, then in sixth the blending of wisdom back into an unified understanding of compassion viewed with wisdom. This golden color is not of your spectrum but is what you would call alive.

You may ask one more question briefly.

Are either of these what you were looking for?

[Fat Lizard]

33.20
Questioner: Just as a slight appendage to that question, what would the rays of fifth and sixth density look like?
Ra: I am Ra. We may speak only approximately. However, we hope you understand, shall we say, that there is a distinctive difference in the color structure of each density.

Fifth density is perhaps best described as extremely white in vibration.
The sixth density of a whiteness which contains a golden quality as you would perceive it; these colors having to do with the blending into wisdom of the compassion learned in fourth density, then in sixth the blending of wisdom back into an unified understanding of compassion viewed with wisdom. This golden color is not of your spectrum but is what you would call alive.

You may ask one more question briefly.

Are either of these what you were looking for?
[/quote]

No, it was a great try. Sometimes their is no short cut when something means a great deal to you. It's been 6 years since i finished reading the material. From that time on it's been more of a re discovering of a time forgotten. Now as the energy of the cosmos in comming in at a greater rate, i feel the need to reread STS and STO.
I do thank you for the effort but everything happens for a reason and i need to learn to listen when the universe speaks.
thank you for trying, if your ever researching and run across that share it with others.

[Steppingfeet]

You know how Ra speaks of the capacity for the evolution of second-density entities to be accelerated as a result of the investiture of third-density entities?

They also speak about this happening to a place. When third-density beings interact with, and invest a place with significance, that place... or its constituent parts (the stones?) can become invested. Something like that.

Anyone remember this passage? Any keyword evades my grasp.

[βαθμιαίος]

This?

19.2 ...The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

[kdsii]

Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.

As far as places go however, Ra would just nit-pick over the placement of the censer/bible/etc to hint that the questions weren't heading to a productive place (or so some think)
But I don't recall anything else...

But, thar y'go buddy

You know how Ra speaks of the capacity for the evolution of second-density entities to be accelerated as a result of the investiture of third-density entities?

They also speak about this happening to a place. When third-density beings interact with, and invest a place with significance, that place... or its constituent parts (the stones?) can become invested. Something like that.

Anyone remember this passage? Any keyword evades my grasp.

[Plenum]

NEW REQUEST

the quote I am looking for has these parameters:

* something about being quick to think resulting in quick to act (or else the will is weakened or something like that)

* I am pretty sure it is in Law of One, but I might have misremembered from Q'uo

* I've searched on the terms that I've presented but haven't been able to locate it

* if you do find it, I'd be interested in your interpretation of the passage itself as I could be reading it wrong.

[Patrick]

Is it the one that says that when opportunities are not used then opportunities appears less often until we are more or less stuck without much opportunities for evolving ? I can't find it either.

NEW REQUEST

the quote I am looking for has these parameters:

* something about being quick to think resulting in quick to act (or else the will is weakened or something like that)

* I am pretty sure it is in Law of One, but I might have misremembered from Q'uo

* I've searched on the terms that I've presented but haven't been able to locate it

* if you do find it, I'd be interested in your interpretation of the passage itself as I could be reading it wrong.