Did the first Higher-Self have a Higher-Self before it was a Higher-Self?

[kdsii]

I find this odd, too.
The path of a negatively oriented entity distills itself in isolation, until if figures out that it can't keep climbing the 'all-that-is' while keeping it divided (the self from others)

I doubt, though, that your vastly more intelligent self feels disrespected at your mistakes and 'distortions'.
This brings on guilt, yet another negative distortion.

thanks for your contrary views Shin'Ar.

I am also somewhat baffled and amused that a so-called negative entity would be endowed with a positive Higher Self, one that is IGNORED and DISRESPECTED, and can offer no service to that negative individual on his chosen polarity. I understand that the path of separation is SEPARATION from Everything, but it seems comical that such an outcome could take place.

of course, time is Warping everything that we speak of, because basically everything ends of positive, no matter what temporary decisions one makes about a negative polarity.

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and of course, we are still within the philosophical confines of a polarity system; past mid-6th, all coalesces back into the One again.

[Shin'Ar]

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

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thanks for your contrary views Shin'Ar.

I am also somewhat baffled and amused that a so-called negative entity would be endowed with a positive Higher Self, one that is IGNORED and DISRESPECTED, and can offer no service to that negative individual on his chosen polarity. I understand that the path of separation is SEPARATION from Everything, but it seems comical that such an outcome could take place.

of course, time is Warping everything that we speak of, because basically everything ends of positive, no matter what temporary decisions one makes about a negative polarity.

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and of course, we are still within the philosophical confines of a polarity system; past mid-6th, all coalesces back into the One again.

I do not see this quote as suggesting that anything is separate with regard to the One Consciousness or the All.

There is only One. The all is One.

But there are many paths established by fragmented field experiences, and the polarity away from growth and development toward Light being or Higher Being, is simply separating one's evolving consciousness from the process of evolving and developing or progression into Higher states of Being. This is what I interpret Ra meaning when it speaks of separation.

[Patrick]

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

I do not believe anyone is disputing this.

[kdsii]

That statement is pretty specific, I take it literally.
**in your way of measuring what you know of as time**
Cayce's work backs this up

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

[Shin'Ar]

I find this odd, too.
The path of a negatively oriented entity distills itself in isolation, until if figures out that it can't keep climbing the 'all-that-is' while keeping it divided (the self from others)

I doubt, though, that your vastly more intelligent self feels disrespected at your mistakes and 'distortions'.
This brings on guilt, yet another negative distortion.

How could you, this identity that you are now, have a more intelligent future self, if you have yet to acquire that intelligence, and are now in the process of evolving based solely upon the choices and experiences you manage right now, and as you proceed forward?

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Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

I do not believe anyone is disputing this.

I think it clear that some are thinking that the Higher Self is their own future self at some point in the future or simultaneous time, returning to the past which is our present, simultaneously. This is the issue at hand being discussed here.

[kdsii]

Cuz linear time are an illusion, bruh
The higher self be a collective of all the expurrences gained up to that point and be ever expanding

And lighten up a little! The law is one...

I find this odd, too.
The path of a negatively oriented entity distills itself in isolation, until if figures out that it can't keep climbing the 'all-that-is' while keeping it divided (the self from others)

I doubt, though, that your vastly more intelligent self feels disrespected at your mistakes and 'distortions'.
This brings on guilt, yet another negative distortion.

How could you, this identity that you are now, have a more intelligent future self, if you have yet to acquire that intelligence, and are now in the process of evolving based solely upon the choices and experiences you manage right now, and as you proceed forward?

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Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

I do not believe anyone is disputing this.

I think it clear that some are thinking that the Higher Self is their own future self at some point in the future or simultaneous time, returning to the past which is our present, simultaneously. This is the issue at hand being discussed here.

[Shin'Ar]

That statement is pretty specific, I take it literally.
**in your way of measuring what you know of as time**
Cayce's work backs this up

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

It might be prudent to stick to one channel at a time here, lol.

I interpret Ra as meaning that we all, as One Consciousness have a higher self in that One Consciousness, and as such All is simultaneous. Which would make more sense to the breakdown of my understanding.

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Cuz linear time are an illusion, bruh
The higher self be a collective of all the expurrences gained up to that point and be ever expanding

this I agree with.

but this is not what some here are espousing. What is being said here is that the future you is returning to guide you. Not your future aspect as the One All, but the future aspect of what the identity of Kdsii will become. Lighten up? Why would you say that?

[kdsii]

Yes, I want FutureMe, I believe this.

That statement is pretty specific, I take it literally.
**in your way of measuring what you know of as time**
Cayce's work backs this up

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

It might be prudent to stick to one channel at a time here, lol.

I interpret Ra as meaning that we all, as One Consciousness have a higher self in that One Consciousness, and as such All is simultaneous. Which would make more sense to the breakdown of my understanding.

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Cuz linear time are an illusion, bruh
The higher self be a collective of all the expurrences gained up to that point and be ever expanding

this I agree with.

but this is not what some here are espousing. What is being said here is that the future you is returning to guide you. Not your future aspect as the One All, but the future aspect of what the identity of Kdsii will become. Lighten up? Why would you say that?

[Shin'Ar]

Yes, I want FutureMe, I believe this.

And Alrighty then!

Great debate!

[kdsii]

But really, reading up on Cayce will clear up what is referred to by 'higher self'.
Ra speaks freely to questions about Cayce and his work, which leads me to believe that it's safe ground to tread.

Yes, I want FutureMe, I believe this.

And Alrighty then!

Great debate!

[Patrick]

Your "future" Self is the One Infinite Creator, which is also your "past" Self. And more importantly is also your current Self.

[anagogy]

Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth-density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future." <--- BOOM!
And I'm keen on saying, I win

I joke, i joke.

This can still be interpreted as though speaking of the higher self as you as the One. All this does is acknowledge that our present identities are One with the All.

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As Patrick noted, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that anybody's present identities are part of the One. Or even the Higher Self. However, there are individuations of the creator which perform different functions. Just as we in our 3rd density consciousness are not *consciously* one with all, the 6th density Higher Self is also not *consciously* one with all. It is close though, and its means of progression to conscious "all-ness" with the creator is partially effected by offering this service to its self in the past.

Ra has specifically stated that the mid sixth density version of ourselves is the portion of the creator which turns back and offers its wisdom to its past selves as a guiding resource if they request such wisdom. Because of free will, it cannot offer this guidance unsolicited.

6th density is not the same as 7th density. There is still some measure of individuation in 6th density. For example, Ra states:

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3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?
Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

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All of these quotes being used here are, in my opinion being misread and contorted, unless your interpretations can be supported more concisely from other quotations. I would be keen on seeing something else to suggest that how you are interpreting this 'higher self' which Ra speaks of here as a future self is precisely what you are claiming it to be.

What I interpret from Ra's message is that the higher self being spoken of is the One Consciousness, the All. It is not any one particular identity or fragmented evolving field of consciousness. If you read these quotes and think of higher self as simply meaning the evolved consciousness of One evolving All, than there is no need to debate the dynamics of infinity and simultaneity.

70.10 Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that all of the mind/body/spirit complexes that exist below levels of mid-sixth-density have a Higher Self at the level of mid-sixth-density? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

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Essentially, here, Ra is acknowledging that the Higher Self is of a sixth density nature. Sixth density is not consciousness of the all, therefore is is not totally unified. Ra has stated that seventh density is consciousness of the all, thus, it is logical to conclude that the Higher Self is of certain degree of individuation -- a sort of liaison, if you will, between 7th density consciousness and the 3rd density consciousness.

Ra has identified itself as 6th density social memory complex.


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16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future … that all is present. Would this be a good analogy?
Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

16.23 Questioner: Does this mean that you would have awareness of all that is?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. It is our understanding that it would not be our awareness, but simply awareness of the Creator. In the Creator is all that there is. Therefore, this knowledge would be available.

1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?
Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficaceous. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

70.11 Questioner: Would an analogy for this situation be that an individual’s Higher Self is manipulating, to some extent shall I say, the mind/body/spirit complex that is its analog to move it through the lower densities for the purposes of gaining experience and finally transferring that experience or amalgamating it in mid-sixth-density with the Higher Self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self does not manipulate its past selves. It protects when possible and guides when asked, but the force of free will is paramount. The seeming contradictions of determinism and free will melt when it is accepted that there is such a thing as true simultaneity. The Higher Self is the end result of all the development experienced by the mind/body/spirit complex to that point.

70.12 Questioner: Then what we are looking at is a long path of experience through the densities up to mid-sixth-density which is a function totally of free will and results in the awareness of the Higher Self in mid-sixth-density, but since time is illusory and there is a, shall I say, unification of time and space or an eradication of what we think of as time, then, all of this experience that results in the Higher Self, the cause of evolution through the densities, is existing while the evolution takes place. It is all simultaneous. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We refrain from speaking of correctness due to our understanding of the immense difficulty of absorbing the concepts of metaphysical existence. In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

Ra is saying in this quote that all times are present. Past, present, and future exist all at the same metaphysical present.

And one more about the higher self traveling into the past:

36.5 Questioner: Could you give an example of how this programming by the Higher Self would then bring about education through parallel experiences?
Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the simplest example of this apparent simultaneity of existence of two selves, which are in truth one self at the same time/space, is this: the Oversoul, as you call it, or Higher Self, seems to exist simultaneously with the mind/body/spirit complex which it aids. This is not actually simultaneous, for the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity.

I cannot really state my understanding more clearly than I have already done in my post above, but to disregard what I have pointed out by using quotes from Ra that can still be argued as possibly being misinterpretations, does not deny the credibility of my views and thoughts on the matter. It is no different than the protestant using King James version of the Bible and their interpretation to debate the Catholic Bible.

Have you also considered the possibility that your interpretation could be the misinterpretation?

I would also like to point another aspect of this that has been opened. This speculating about a higher evolved consciousness returning to experience lower densities. These higher evolved fields are not the higher selves of particular fields returning to them in the past, in my opinion.

The Higher Selves are not returning to experience the lower densities. The Higher Self simply guides when asked. It doesn't manipulate its past selves.

It is rather strange to have seekers on the one hand claiming that they are the Creator, and then on the other hand declaring that their future higher identity somehow guides them now. If they are the Creator, than how can they have a Higher self than that?

I agree with you that there is nothing "higher" than the creator. But the creator is not just human, it is more than human. When you are interacting with said creator, wouldn't you want those interactions to be understandable to you, as a human entity? The 6th density Higher Self is that individuation of the creator that can do that. It is the translator between the infinite and incomprehensible (from the human vantage point) creator and the 3rd density human being. It is liaison between intelligent infinity and your humanity.

There is the One Field, the Source Field that began it All. and there are the countless fragmented fields that evolve and through which the One experiences the All and evolves into Mystery and Infinity. These fragments have been evolving since the Source, and many are as ancient as the Source Itself and then on down the line of the evolving Process. There are obviously many various stages and evolved degrees of fields of consciousness.


Are some fields of such ability and evolved status that they able to return to a past identity which it once lived? Why would it?

Would that not in itself be a breach of free will? is that exactly what Ra is trying to tell you here as it attempts to define the difference between evolved fragmented consciousness and the One Consciousness of the All?

a field of consciousness which has evolved into higher states of being has already walked that path to get there. All those choices made to get there are now memory and experience stored in the One Consciousness. to suggest that a field can somehow, or would even want to somehow, go back and redo that journey and/or alter it in some way, suggests that creation itself is subject to a constant redesigning of experience and memory already established by free will and intent. this would be paramount to suggesting that there is no such thing as memory, because in that scenario all memory is subject to alteration, which renders it non existent.

But see, you are still thinking about this in linear terms. You say the Higher Self has walked the path and has no need to walk it it again, however, the first time that path was walked, it also had guidance from its Self in the future. Many people don't like to think about time travel because the human mind isn't particularly suited to understanding things outside of a linear string of events. We can't help that, our brains are 3rd density, after all.

Time doesn't really exist in some absolute sense. It is just another kind of space for the continuum of "change" to express itself in. Humans find it disturbing to think that one could go back in time and change some aspect of history. And rightfully so. But its not exactly accurate to think that way. If someone went back in time and changed something, that was how it happened the first time. As I said, time is just a kind of space. You alter the structure, and that is how it always was, because there is no "time" above "time". This is a can of worms to the linear mind. All such changes have already been made by such "time travelers". And yes, free will is still intact. You can "do", whatever it is you "will" to do.

What you have is a hyper-sphere of experience, which goes through many dimensions, times, densities, and planes of existence which is perfect, and represents the One Infinite Creator.

Memory in my understanding is the fabric of our existence and the ingredient behind the design of the One Consciousness establishing its evolution. Memory of particular experiences is what is shared between fields of consciousness as they evolve, and is the factor which enables these fields to expand in understanding and knowledge.

The suggestion or speculation that a future self can return to alter memory just does not fit into any of what I have read of the Ra material or anything that I have come to understand of Cosmic Divine Design. And it also violates every law of physics that I am aware of as well.

All that memory is dissolved in 7th density, so I wouldn't get too attached.

This is not to declare that I am learned in any of these matters. I am always open to other speculation, but I will always also challenge such with an open mind seeking truth rather than popular opinion or misinterpretation. After all, is that not the danger we would choose to radically evade as seekers and wanderers knowing the delusions that religion has nurtured for so many centuries?

Well I'm glad you're open to other speculation.

[Plenum]

Hi anagogy; very good points yet again. You have a firm grasp of the total core of the Ra material. I was wondering if you could offer your thoughts on this:

36.7 Questioner: In that case my Higher Self would have a very large advantage in knowing what was needed since it would know, as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.

Thus the higher self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the higher self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

there are a few points here;;

1) the HS is like a map. This sounds like a generalised understanding of all the systems/pathways of evolution from 1d --> mid 6d. In this way, how different would your HS be different from mine? much like a human body, where more is common than different (ie skin color, eye color, height) but the organs and energetic systems are what are key, not subtle outward form.

and this here;;

73.16 Ra: I am Ra. When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made and the sixth-density magical personality experiences directly the third-density catalyst for the duration of the working. It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit.

71.13 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

2) here the HS gets to experience 3rd density, thereby 'filling' in the map that was referenced earlier. The 3rd density being/wanderer can hasten the race to the HS by travelling the 'roads' that will eventually lead to the 6d understandings of the HS.

this is the bridge between time/space and space/time; in t/s everything is understood, but one cannot do, in s/t one can do, but understanding is most limited. By bridging this in a third density environment, with the veil still in place, one gets to massively accelerate this evolutionary process.

[AnthroHeart]

71.13 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

So we in 3D are offering catalyst to the higher self? Or only the adept is?

[anagogy]

Hi anagogy; very good points yet again. You have a firm grasp of the total core of the Ra material. I was wondering if you could offer your thoughts on this:

36.7 Questioner: In that case my Higher Self would have a very large advantage in knowing what was needed since it would know, as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.

Thus the higher self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the higher self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

there are a few points here;;

1) the HS is like a map. This sounds like a generalised understanding of all the systems/pathways of evolution from 1d --> mid 6d. In this way, how different would your HS be different from mine? much like a human body, where more is common than different (ie skin color, eye color, height) but the organs and energetic systems are what are key, not subtle outward form.

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As I said in an earlier post, the Higher Self is not yet consciously one with All That Is. However, it is very close. As consciousness proceeds upwards in density, things become more and more homogenized. All consciousness approaches unity as the differences between one another dissolve, much like ice-cubes melting in the ocean.

So, there is probably not an extremely pronounced difference between one person's Higher Self and another person's Higher Self. And, in fact, many individuals share the same Higher Self. The Higher Self still has memory though. The main difference between one Higher Self and another, would be similar to the difference between one 6th density social memory complex, and another 6th density social memory complex.

Being of a 6th density nature, the body complex of a Higher Self can be whatever it wishes to be, because it is composed of light. The only thing that really separates one Higher Self from another is its living bank of memory and the associative paths it follows to the mind/body/spirit complex in 3rd density and upwards. But even so, the Higher Self has access to the memories of all within its social memory complex, and this includes other Higher Selves as well. Strangely enough, a social memory complex has its own Oversoul as well.

The Higher Self being like a map is akin to knowing all the roads in the neighborhood that lead to your house.

That you are headed home is known, which road you will take to get there is your free choice. The Higher Self has other portions of itself taking other roads home. These would be other probable 3rd density incarnates (parallel realities).

It may simplify your understanding of this concept for me to just cut to the chase and say: everything already exists and always has. All probabilities are explored, all paths taken, all roads traveled. Intelligent Infinity is exploring all aspects of finity and then inevitably being drawn back to in-finity. The Higher Self is simply one of the coalescing points of these paths that consciousness is traveling -- a way-stop for the specific and finite on its way back to the non-specific and infinite.

The Higher Self doesn't know which probability you will end up being. But all probabilities are real and do exist, at least, relative to other probabilities. It just knows what the probabilities are, not who they are. All consciousness is one.

This is why it doesn't know your specific future (though it is you in the future), and why Ra states the choices necessary to achieve the state of being of the Higher Self is in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex. It explored *all* probabilities, not just the one that your life constitutes. It is an amalgamation of probable "you's".

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and this here;;

73.16 Ra: I am Ra. When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made and the sixth-density magical personality experiences directly the third-density catalyst for the duration of the working. It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit.

71.13 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

2) here the HS gets to experience 3rd density, thereby 'filling' in the map that was referenced earlier. The 3rd density being/wanderer can hasten the race to the HS by travelling the 'roads' that will eventually lead to the 6d understandings of the HS.

this is the bridge between time/space and space/time; in t/s everything is understood, but one cannot do, in s/t one can do, but understanding is most limited. By bridging this in a third density environment, with the veil still in place, one gets to massively accelerate this evolutionary process.

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I'm not sure what to say about this second quote except to validate your interpretation of the text. Becoming an adept, who can bridge the veil between space/time and time/space and thus consciously communicate with its higher density future self will greatly accelerate one's spiritual progress.

For those who desire such, the Creator is with them. But, for those that don't, it is perfectly okay. We have all eternity to get this right. Truly there is nothing wrong with any level of existence. We are where we are. There is no rush.

The adept is akin to someone in grade school having an insatiable curiosity about college level course material. They are free to pursue it, in their spare time, to the degree they are able to understand that advanced level of material.

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71.13 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality, has its only opportunity to gain rapidly from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third-density space/time mind/body/spirit. Thus the adept is aiding the Creator greatly by offering great catalyst to a greater portion of the creation which is identified as the mind/body/spirit totality of an entity.

So we in 3D are offering catalyst to the higher self? Or only the adept is?

The Higher Self progresses towards 7th density in part by assisting its less developed selves in the past. It can really only do this when it's prior selves request guidance. In the case of the adept, when they "put on the magical personality" they come into very close harmony with their Higher Self consciously, and by free choice. This temporary "lifting of the veil" provides a rare opportunity for the Higher Self to assist the 3rd density adept in a very direct way, greatly accelerating its evolution (as well as the Higher Self's evolution).

It's like a double whammy!

[Shin'Ar]

But really, reading up on Cayce will clear up what is referred to by 'higher self'.
Ra speaks freely to questions about Cayce and his work, which leads me to believe that it's safe ground to tread.

Yes, I want FutureMe, I believe this.

And Alrighty then!

Great debate!

I have studied much of Cayce`s work and apply the same open mind and criticism as always.

[LsavedSmeD]

Okay brothers and sisters.


I had a deep meditation and was given a vision directly from my higher self.


I was given the idea of a guitar string.

Every moment is a point on that guitar string, whatever you do to one point of the string the entire string changes because it is a singular entity. Pluck anywhere on the string and the whole string will vibrate accordingly.

It is like our whole journey is a singular entity, a soul stream, any time you do something in the now the whole entity (you) moves/changes because there is only unity and simultaneity.

This truly shows the infinite value of the present moment.

Namaste.

Adonai Vasu Boragus

[Shin'Ar]

Okay brothers and sisters.


I had a deep meditation and was given a vision directly from my higher self.


I was given the idea of a guitar string.

Every moment is a point on that guitar string, whatever you do to one point of the string the entire string changes because it is a singular entity. Pluck anywhere on the string and the whole string will vibrate accordingly.

It is like our whole journey is a singular entity, a soul stream, any time you do something in the now the whole entity (you) moves/changes because there is only unity and simultaneity.

This truly shows the infinite value of the present moment.

Namaste.

Adonai Vasu Boragus

So are you suggesting that you have the ability to alter the development and progress of the evolved state of my field of consciousness and the many memories and experiences that it has already lived? Or is your thinking in error and that which each of us acquires as past experience cannot be altered because we are each unique and our experiences separate?

[LsavedSmeD]

Okay brothers and sisters.


I had a deep meditation and was given a vision directly from my higher self.


I was given the idea of a guitar string.

Every moment is a point on that guitar string, whatever you do to one point of the string the entire string changes because it is a singular entity. Pluck anywhere on the string and the whole string will vibrate accordingly.

It is like our whole journey is a singular entity, a soul stream, any time you do something in the now the whole entity (you) moves/changes because there is only unity and simultaneity.

This truly shows the infinite value of the present moment.

Namaste.

Adonai Vasu Boragus

So are you suggesting that you have the ability to alter the development and progress of the evolved state of my field of consciousness and the many memories and experiences that it has already lived? Or is your thinking in error and that which each of us acquires as past experience cannot be altered because we are each unique and our experiences separate?

We are all strings on the same instrument my brother/sister. Each of us unique in our tone but unified in the grand piece of music that plays with each infitisimal portion as a unique musician.

[kycahi]

I just read this whole thread and a couple things got stimulated, so I will write them here.

First: The English language, while having an enormous vocabulary, has poor choices sometimes. The words "positive" and "negative" are nicknames for the STS and STO paths, but service to self is also unfortunate, IMO, because some can take it to mean "I'm only going to look out for me. I'll take money from a blind beggars cup, I'll walk past a child being abused, and I'll spend my ill-gotten money on my own pleasure."

Instead, those on the service to self path believe, IMHO, that they have knowledge that most people lack, and will assume a leadership position in order to convey that knowledge. They differ from those in STO in their style: take charge, offer pearls of "wisdom" and then recruit followers into turning their freedom over to this leader, believing that they are on the wagon that will roll to a wonderful future that might include, incidentally, having a leadership role themselves.

One example of this path is Josef Stalin. Our history books tend to list all of the brutal things he did to eliminate and imprison those who might disrupt his absolute rule. They say little about the millions of Soviet citizens that adored him and believed everything he said.

Second: A Wanderer from sixth density in this 3D world still has a 6D higher self, IMO. The infinite One "divides" itself into "separate" beings by giving them illusion that they are separate from each other and from the One. Because they are parts of the Infinite One, they are infinite enough to send a fragment into illusory 3D yet stay behind in illusory 6D. One way of describing this phenomenon is to use the term "simultaneity." It may not be the perfect term, but 3D languages inherently miss accuracy because all things 3D are imperfect.

[Ankh]

So yeah I can understand we exist in a present so our higher self is already there.


But doesn't that point where our higher-self is need to have had a higher-self before getting there?


I'm at a road block!

Questioner: You said that each third-density entity has an Higher Self in the sixth-density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this Higher Self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first-density, and does each Higher Self have a corresponding Higher Self advanced in densities beyond it?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.

So to answer your question I would say, according to my understanding of the above quote, that yes, Higher Self or Oversoul does have a "Higher Self" so to speak, which Ra calls mind/body/spirit complex totality, which is a being of 7D.

[Shin'Ar]

Okay brothers and sisters.


I had a deep meditation and was given a vision directly from my higher self.


I was given the idea of a guitar string.

Every moment is a point on that guitar string, whatever you do to one point of the string the entire string changes because it is a singular entity. Pluck anywhere on the string and the whole string will vibrate accordingly.

It is like our whole journey is a singular entity, a soul stream, any time you do something in the now the whole entity (you) moves/changes because there is only unity and simultaneity.

This truly shows the infinite value of the present moment.

Namaste.

Adonai Vasu Boragus

So are you suggesting that you have the ability to alter the development and progress of the evolved state of my field of consciousness and the many memories and experiences that it has already lived? Or is your thinking in error and that which each of us acquires as past experience cannot be altered because we are each unique and our experiences separate?

We are all strings on the same instrument my brother/sister. Each of us unique in our tone but unified in the grand piece of music that plays with each infitisimal portion as a unique musician.

yes, but would that symphony be a symphony if all were the same note? Is a musical composition made up of all g notes? Which would sound more harmonious, a piece where music is made with the combination of many notes applied, or a piece where the same note is played over and over?

That is a rhetorical question?

[LsavedSmeD]

Okay brothers and sisters.


I had a deep meditation and was given a vision directly from my higher self.


I was given the idea of a guitar string.

Every moment is a point on that guitar string, whatever you do to one point of the string the entire string changes because it is a singular entity. Pluck anywhere on the string and the whole string will vibrate accordingly.

It is like our whole journey is a singular entity, a soul stream, any time you do something in the now the whole entity (you) moves/changes because there is only unity and simultaneity.

This truly shows the infinite value of the present moment.

Namaste.

Adonai Vasu Boragus

So are you suggesting that you have the ability to alter the development and progress of the evolved state of my field of consciousness and the many memories and experiences that it has already lived? Or is your thinking in error and that which each of us acquires as past experience cannot be altered because we are each unique and our experiences separate?

We are all strings on the same instrument my brother/sister. Each of us unique in our tone but unified in the grand piece of music that plays with each infitisimal portion as a unique musician.

yes, but would that symphony be a symphony if all were the same note? Is a musical composition made up of all g notes? Which would sound more harmonious, a piece where music is made with the combination of many notes applied, or a piece where the same note is played over and over?

That is a rhetorical question?

There are infinite octaves on a single chord.

[Shin'Ar]

It is truly a confounding thing to describe, this One Consciousness with its many vibrations.

It is difficult to share as we attempt to put it into words. This is probably another reason why the Ancients were so keen on using symbols.

A symbol can say so many things and geometry can so easily portray the glory of the Divine Design of the All.

[Patrick]

There you go! This IMHO is the actual answer to this thread's question.

36.10 Questioner: Well, let, let me be sure I understand this then. Would… We have spoken of certain particular individuals. In… For instance, we were speaking of George Patton in a previous communication. Then his higher self at the time of his incarnation here as George Patton about forty years ago, his higher self was at that time sixth-density? is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We make note at this time that each entity has several beings upon which to call for inner support. Any of these may be taken by an entity to be the mind/body/spirit complex totality. However, this is not the case. The mind/body/spirit complex totality is a nebulous collection of all that may occur held in understanding; the higher self itself a projection or manifestation of mind/body/spirit complex totality which then may communicate with the mind/body/spirit during the discarnate part of a cycle of rebirth or, during the incarnation may communicate if the proper pathways or channels through the roots of mind are opened.

[Cyan]

I think i get it now.

You are your 6th density self when you are helping someone else from a position of "i've lived through that and know how it goes".

When you help them you know that by that action you are just playing the finish parts of your own experience in those moments. So that when you look at someone else who is "behind" you you are actually looking at yourself when you were looking at someone who is "ahead" of you

That means that the service to self in the nature of existence without time is a darkening of the perceived universe because of lack of "stuff" sent outwards, which means that the "surface" of who you are darkens.

This darkening combined with an increased awareness leads quicker and quicker into all information being stored as densly as possible and through that to a black hole with all its information as a 2d representation on its surface from which light escapes as radiation very slowly at first and then speeding up.

So, to seek to store information as effectively as possible leads to a black hole as a evolutionary future. Huh, interesting.

Or is this like, entirely confused and lost and what not? (my theory that is)

[Patrick]

"The mind/body/spirit complex totality is a nebulous collection of all that may occur held in understanding"

All that may occur for your Self may seem infinite, but it's not because it is constrained by the way this current octave is set up. Your totality is a collection of all that may occur for you within this octave. This is available before first density space/time even start.


"the higher self itself a projection or manifestation of mind/body/spirit complex totality"

So then your higher self, being a projection of your totality, is also available before first density space/time start. Looking at it outside of time is more helpful than looking at it as being your past and/or future self.

[Cyan]

"The mind/body/spirit complex totality is a nebulous collection of all that may occur held in understanding"

All that may occur for your Self may seem infinite, but it's not because it is constrained by the way this current octave is set up. Your totality is a collection of all that may occur for you within this octave. This is available before first density space/time even start.


"the higher self itself a projection or manifestation of mind/body/spirit complex totality"

So then your higher self, being a projection of your totality, is also available before first density space/time start. Looking at it outside of time is more helpful then looking at it as being your past and/or future self.

helped thx

[Shin'Ar]

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We make note at this time that each entity has several beings upon which to call for inner support. Any of these may be taken by an entity to be the mind/body/spirit complex totality. However, this is not the case. The mind/body/spirit complex totality is a nebulous collection of all that may occur held in understanding; the higher self itself a projection or manifestation of mind/body/spirit complex totality which then may communicate with the mind/body/spirit during the discarnate part of a cycle of rebirth or, during the incarnation may communicate if the proper pathways or channels through the roots of mind are opened.

I am still reading this as Ra acknowledging that a higher evolved field is able to be accessed by forms it may take which would benefit from connecting to its already evolved experience.

However this does not indicate that all forms have access to their future. It just reveals to us that many higher fields will choose to tale lower forms that will require connection to their higher memories to benefit in some way.

For example, if one's field of consciousness is not evolved beyond their present state of incarnation they will have no access to the future evolved state of that field as it has not yet evolved beyond that state.

However if a form is being used by a field that has evolved far beyond that density, then that form will have access to certain aspects of its higher experiences and memories.

This is my understanding of the Process of Being and evolution. And this seem to be what Ra is trying to tell us.

This Higher Self being spoken of is not one's future identity returning to it. It is not the future Patrick or Cyan returning to their present identity to assist them with experience and information they have yet to acquire, because they have not yet existed through that future. It is simply one's field of consciousness making available to them whatever degree of experience and information it might have stored from actual existence, which may or may not be more advanced than their present form.

I do not see these Ra quotes as stating that a future possibility is returning to advise us.

It could be that there is a Ra quote that does suggest this, but it is not this quote. And if Ra does suggest this, my understanding would still be in contradiction awaiting further consideration and understanding.

[Siren]

Truth is there is only NOW and absolutely ALL is occurring in an infinite present moment. This is the Logos/Thought/Love from what has been termed the "8th density," beyond time and space, prior to (and after) the Creation was manifested, or brought into play. It is the Observer observing the observation which is the Creation and the process of evolution, devolution, involution of Itself, from Itself and back to Itself.

Thus, the paradox is that you ALWAYS exist(ed) in the past and future. Your "higher" (inner) Selfness reaches back/out to your "lower" (outer) Selfness, and your "lower" (outer) Selfness reaches up/in to your "higher" (inner) Selfness. The only difference is that, linearly-speaking, your higher/inner Selfness enjoys a greater degree of awareness, whilst your lower/outer Selfness enjoys a lesser degree; so even unknowingly, at the lower densities of awareness, you are reaching upwards/inwards; progressively become more and more aware of your journey and your seeking. And at the higher/inner densities, you simply look back and offer your service to yourself in the "past" in reaching your "future" Selfness.

Perhaps it should be helpful to understand evolution as: devolution (from 7th to 1st density) and then involution (from 1st to 7th). Yet you always exist in all gradients or levels or dimensions. This is the exhalation/expansion and inhalation/contraction of the Logos, and the rhythms of the Creation.

They key idea to understand is that this "you" I am referring to is not just your current 3rd density personality construct of this particular incarnation. The problem, if I may use this misnomer, arises from the fact that even seekers, adepts, wanderers identify/attach themselves too tightly to their earthly "personas," mistaking it for their fuller, shall we say, Selfness.