giving up on 2012 (you guys win)

[irpsit]

I still think that nothing will happen around Dec 2012 (at least extraordinary). I had too many visions of the future to be confident about it. The next 5-7 years are going to be really hard, because there is a lot of energy on the air, and much change, a degree of change not experienced since the thirties. Then, the world seems lighter after 2020, after much social structure transformation, but there still seems to be ongoing revolutions and conflicts. They continue through a few more challenging decades into 2060.

By 2200 the 3D is much lighter, and it already seems a sort of half way into 4D. It is much more positive world than nowadays. I still don't understand well how bodies become less and less physical after that. This is what I believe in what I felt and see, but of course future is changing at every moment.

Don't worry about 4D, the world is still going to be 3D until the end of your lives, but as Quo said, it is time now to move from 3D work to 4D work, while still living in a 3D setting.

[BlatzAdict]

13.23 Questioner: How does a third-density planet become a fourth density planet?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.

The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with the present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

[Parsons]

K: How is the harvest brought about as a mechanism? What determines the time for the harvest to occur? Does the harvest depend on a certain point of the zodiac transiting the center of the galaxy and, if so, what is the exact mechanism by which that harvest takes place?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother, though perhaps somewhat less able to express it in the precise terms which you request, for though such precision would be possible with other instruments we must content ourselves with the general statement that there is a clock-like mechanism, indeed, that is the cause, shall we say, for the harvest to occur as it does. For each energy focus, be it planetary, be it that of the Logos or any entity which exists as an individualized portion of the one Creator, will move in a spiraling fashion towards the light and the love of the one Creator. This movement is a progression of increasing awareness and expression of this awareness by the entities undertaking this process.

For those within your third-density illusion, the planetary progress, as this sphere which you call Earth moves through its own unfolding and position in the cosmic web of creation, will have those times during which the entities upon its surface and within its care will have the opportunity to demonstrate the level of apprehension of the unity of all things. Within this illusion the lessons of love and the ability to open the green-ray energy center to the experience about one and the identity, indeed, of oneself is the kind of energy expression that will find the opportunity to be harvested at regular intervals that are determined, as we stated, in a general fashion by this planet’s own progress and position and will be offered as well as each entity is able to become more consciously aware of the evolutionary process. So, for the entity which has been more successful in untangling the illusory nature of its own existence in this third density there is always the opportunity to harvest the self at any point within this density’s progress. Such entities are most likely, in the positive polarity, to remain with the planetary sphere until all of those of its kind are also harvestable …

[Oceania]

i agree with you irpsit, i'm a gradualist but i think there will also be a shift come December just not as DW says. he thinks we'll all suddenly start to levitate lol.

[AnthroHeart]

I hope it's not sudden. I've already had a whirlwind experience in my mind from changes going on with myself. I don't think I could handle even more mental forces at work.

[Cyan]

My original thought was that 2012-12-21 is the date when they make the first AI succesfully in a lab somewhere that is able to be self aware and the transition to 4th is our civilization gradually turning over that AI to the planet itself while humanity plays itself out of the evolutionary picture leaving machine maintaining nature along the designs of nature itself while humanity is a phase creature to bring about this transformation between the eons.

[Oceania]

i don't think it will be Gemini. i think it's more an A-HA moment than cars lifting up because gravity has become optional.

[Star Mztyk]

...Ra if my I remember said so ...I think ...to balance all polaries...and the ones so different to your own constitution. If that aint Liberal then what is? Babies ....your not as old as me... and soo concerned in your place of the Time. If You were advanced enough then you would know that connectings in your Oneness is Love. Love of the Oneness beyond Time... and the Eternal Love of the Now. This is 4th Dimensional Awareness. You get there in Love.

[Infinity]

It was to my understanding that those going into 4th density will go to a "New Earth" that is a 4th density planet.
The positive polarities, which is an extreme minority, will shift into the 4D New Earth that is a positive polarity planet.
The negative polarity humans will be sent to a 4D negative polarity planet.
The rest of the population is "luke-warm" which means they are neither positive or negative. This is, according to sources, is the VAST majority of the planet. These people will be sent to a New Earth that is still 3rd density so they can continue to work on their path to being service to others positive beings.

It is also to my understanding that the "luke-warm" people, on December 21st, will experience a zero-point time of feeling "at one" with the Infinite Creator, being reminded of 'who they really are', then they will forget and be incarnated on the new 3rd density Earth.

[Daydreamin]

I'm unsure why there is the assumption it is only one way or the other?

From what I could consider it would be dependent on the needs of the individual consciousness.

I agree. There are many many paths Home.

[Patrick]

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0803.aspx

...This planetary sphere is indeed to become the home planet to fourth-density positive entities within the near future with some aid from elsewhere...

This gives credence to stuff like Disclosure at some point.

[Seed]

As much as I wish for disclosure to happen already, I think the day I definitively see a UFO will be a very challenging time for me, because there is a difference between knowing about something and knowing something.

[godwide_void]

If disclosure of any sort does indeed occur, and extraterrestrial higher beings were to publicly approach and contact us, how many of you would willingly walk up to them and attempt to hold a telepathic conversation with them, greeting them in the honor of the One Infinite Creator, knowing now what you do of 'aliens', aware that they aren't as they are typically portrayed in most media sources (TV, movies, etc.)? I'm certain a considerable majority, having been conditioned to preconceived notions of malignant alien invasions a la Independence Day, would perhaps react irrationally and fearfully.

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i agree with you irpsit, i'm a gradualist but i think there will also be a shift come December just not as DW says. he thinks we'll all suddenly start to levitate lol.

I share his sentiments in hoping for humanity to be able to access and use all the innate capabilities that become unlocked upon our shift into 4D. I'd prefer to be able to teleport and telekinetically move things at will by Dec 22nd.

[Patrick]

I would.

[AnthroHeart]

Me too. I believe myself to be not of this Earth anyway, so i'd feel right at home telepathising with another ET.

Regarding disclosure, I believe much of the help we are receiving is behind the scenes. So I'm not sure about if disclosure will happen. Or should I say when. There is undoubtedly a lot more pressure for it to happen.

[Patrick]

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1218.aspx

Therefore, do not be dismayed if your ideas are totally rejected by some, for this is to be expected. And this is the major reason that we cannot come among you, for it would be a direct violation of one of the laws of which I earlier spoke. Due to their conditions, it is necessary for those of you who would help us, who are on the surface of your planet, to help us. We request that you meditate. This is all that is necessary. This is all the help that we need. Because, if you meditate, then you will know what to do. And this is all the help that we need, or all the help that we would desire, for this is also part of the plan.

[AnthroHeart]

I meditate just to meditate. I don't actually try to acthive something out of it. Because when I do, this expectation holds me back. And if I go too deep, I snap back into reality.

Owl City has a good song that says "reality is a good place, but I wouldn't want to live there." I much prefer the world of magical realms where I can be who I wish to be. But I choose to maintain the illusion because it's just so exciting to see the changes going down.

[darklight]

Accension.

I'm just curious, what would be the precentage of the world population at the 3th end cycle do you think? According Ra and the end cycle on Venus, wich was an very positive planet, only 20% was ready for accension. The Earth dont seem very positive, so the great harvest will be probably much less than the 20% on Venus.

[Patrick]

It's even less when you remove the tons of wanderer currently incarnated. But it's more than if they weren't there.

[darklight]

65 million wanderers, but that was in the early eighties when Ra was contacted, there will be probably more now.

[AnthroHeart]

Holy cow that's a lot of wanderers.
Must be an intense fireworks show from time/space and higher densities.

65 million wanderers, but that was in the early eighties when Ra was contacted, there will be probably more now.

[Parsons]

Every time I talk to a subscriber that has a subscription lasting past Dec 21st, I kind of snicker to myself internally.

I doubt a single person will care about the service my company provides after that.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Hi all, I have split the discussion revolving around the new Hobbit movie into its own thread in Olio. Feel free to continue that discussion over there.

[Namaste]

It's gradual, but that doesn't make it less magical. More and more people are opening up to higher consciousness. The ticket? Love. Very simple.

If, at this time in your experience, you meet people who are happy, helpful and kind, congratulations, you've already made it.

[Richard]

Sometimes I think my thoughts reside in the gradualist camp because I seemingly lack the the ability to actually believe something could happen to change the thought processes of everyone in the world all at once.

Outside of a conscious act of the creator...who I don't think works like that.

Richard

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know what to think. I see a therapist who convinces me that this stuff would only enhance my delusions. Not quite in that way, but if I want to get better, I don't know if I'm to abandon these teachings, or further embrace them. So I go between nothing may happen, to it could be somewhat sudden. And of course I've had gradualist thinking.

[Avocado]

Me either Gemini. But you can always fall back on timeless spiritual principals. The harvest is a relative concept limited to this human life we are dreaming. There is always a timeless spiritual core to take refuge in so we have no worries if we can find it within. I haven't abandoned the Ra material but if the concepts in it aren't practical and experientially testable within my life, then I don't bother exhausting over them.

I hear you on the therapist thing too. My therapist is Buddhist, but our consiousnesses don't match up quite closely so I'm limited in my discussion of metaphysics. I eventually realized that I see her to heal my psychological wounds through talking about them and feeling my feelings, not discussing metaphysics! So I keep my psychological stuff separate from things like the harvest. All the hype around this harvest business will become clear, I promise you that. Whether in this dream or elsewhere.

So my advice is not to abandon the Ra material if it is part of your spiritual core in any way. Just don't focus on things that have no practical use for your well being.

[Parsons]

You have, in fact, through repeated exercises which have ended in empire, warfare and division, been trammeled and beaten down by those which have seized power and leadership upon your sphere to the point where your entire planetary sphere has been placed out of the normal stream of time/space and space/time onto what this instrument calls a time lateral. It is a kind of shunt where a train can move away from the main track until it is repaired. Your planet, in short, is undergoing repair and this not simply from one or two repetitions of empire but from, let us say, at least half a dozen majestic and substantial experiments in empire. Again and again those entities within your population who are inspired by the one infinite Creator have called the people of this planet to the reality of your unity as humankind to their planetary responsibility, each for the other, in love. These clarion calls to ethics, virtue and the higher morality have been heard and many are those who have been inspired to seek the one Creator and service to that Creator. Yet again and again the forces of fear have seduced entities enough away from the hewing to the light that the light has been unable to establish the kind of energy within your planetary sphere which would begin to accumulate mass of a spiritual kind, of gravity of, again, a spiritual kind or metaphysical kind.

At this point, the time allotted for such a time lateral is through within the next very few years. The opportunity for graduation to be a part of fourth-density, positive Gaia shall be over. We rejoice to say that this final effort of those who are ruled by fear and who wish to create what this instrument would call Armageddon has failed. This time, although the vast majority upon the surface of your planet are deeply confused, they are not fooled any longer. They do not believe any longer in the truth of those who speak of division, hostility, control of resources, and the advantages of war. These forces are certainly disorganized and puzzled. However, on a planetary level, at the level of the heart, there begins to arise, as this group was speaking of earlier, a feeling that is growing throughout all of the continents and all of the populations of your Earth. There is a growing knowledge that humankind is truly one. There is a growing awareness among ordinary, everyday people that the leaders that have been given power have misused it and are not to be trusted.

[zenmaster]

At this point, the time allotted for such a time lateral is through within the next very few years.

Thanks for the news!

[Confused]

I don't know what to think. I see a therapist who convinces me that this stuff would only enhance my delusions. Not quite in that way, but if I want to get better, I don't know if I'm to abandon these teachings, or further embrace them.

Though your therapist must have said that in a strictly secular and earthly perspective, I think it makes lot of sense in the metaphysical and spiritual perspectives as well. These things require care, discipline and discernment, for otherwise, it can easily cause grave havoc in our minds.

35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary for you to recover what you have already given. Could you complete that information?

Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.

Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing.

This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure. However, in drifting from the conscious polarization into what you may call a twilight world where dream took the place of events in your space/time continuum, this entity failed in its attempt to serve the Creator in an harvestable degree along the path of service to self. Thus we see the so-called insanity which may often arise when an entity attempts to polarize more quickly than experience may be integrated.

We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.