Evolving Consciousness

[Shin'Ar]

You describe the kaleidoscope of reality. You can spend an infinity exploring it deeper and deeper and it wil always present you with something "new"... Something you've never seen or experienced before. As enjoyable as this might be, this is not growth of consciousness.

Once you've glanced into the infinite self. You'll begin to recognize it all over the kaleidoscope. All the images will become repetitions of the One. Untill you only see nothing but that singularity and merge with it. This is growth of consciousness.

As your consciousness grows, your outside world must by necesity become smaller. When you become all that is, your outside world must cease to be.

this is not my experience Ali, but it might be yours so I cannot say what you experience.

My understanding is that as consciousness expands so also does the Mystery, simply because that is the design. Otherwise would not the creation have already reached its finite point? And if that is so then what we have is not infinity.

In my experience the universe and the Creator is infinite, and the Mystery continues into Infinity which is why it remains a Mystery. What is "out there" will be based upon what is to be further created. Coming to know the One is not ending existence or Being, it is understanding how we are a part of the continuing process.

[Ali Quadir]

Shin'Ar... Do you subscribe to the holographic, or the more classical linear world view?

[Siren]

@Siren: You are very perceptve and your keen understanding is admirable. I am enjoying your seemingly simple numerical application to the divine for there exists much potential for furthering wisdom in your analysis.

Well, I'm glad it could be of use somehow. I actually see my explanation as being extremely limited (and rather futile) in accurately describing anything at all. I am aware of a plethora of semantic/pragmatic "difficulties" that may arise in understanding what I actually meant to express in the first place.

To be honest, after re-reading those posts I made I find them very awkward and unsatisfactory. There are things that are incredibly difficult to (even try to) put into words. I know I've pointed out to this before, but I can actually feel how much essence is being "lost" as I try to convey certain messages into verbal format.

PS: Somewhat on topic, I just wanted to note I have also studied the 12-chakra system and I find it congruent with the 7-chakra one (which, in my present awareness, I find far more useful and less distorted). I was originally somewhat "averse" to this 12-chakra structure, but I was happy to find I could synthesize it to the 7-energy nexi system without much difficulty.

[Shin'Ar]

Holographic as in we are as much the microcosmic as we are the macro. But that does not mean that the hologram does not change. There is an intelligent energy at work that is creating and evolving at all times, so the hologram which we all reflect in totality is not permanently fixed as one finished image or consciousness.

It evolves with every experience and we evolve with it in every aspect.

Should this process ever end and become finite I would assume that All being One, ends as well. What would the end of the process of experiencing mean? I cannot comprehend such a thing for as long as the One exists, experience continues.

[Unbound]

@Siren: The Seven Chakra system can generally be found within the Twelve Chakra system, no? I mean, the body is covered in tons of chakras actually, it's just a matter of how many you consciously address as primary centers. To me, the system of 7 pertains to the 7 musical notes, and then the additional 5 to make 12 are the other 5 sharp/flat notes.

Actually, in terms of consciousness, this "increase" in to a higher awareness of "more centers" seems to be somewhat indicative of evolution of consciousness.

[Siren]

To me, the system of 7 pertains to the 7 musical notes, and then the additional 5 to make 12 are the other 5 sharp/flat notes.

Exactly. And I was referring to the primary nexi. Although the mind/body/spirit complex is replete with energy nodes everywhere, these are all ramifiacations/extensions (the roots of a tree come to mind) of the primary/major energy nexi. But I have found that the 12-ray system is actually the 7-ray system with some rays being "split" into two or more. Similar to how you can find "new" shades of color within the 7 color spectrum.

Ultimately, there is only one ray of light: and that is white.

PS: And this is also related to the 5 flat notes of the musical scale as you accurately pointed out.

Actually, in terms of consciousness, this "increase" in to a higher awareness of "more centers" seems to be somewhat indicative of evolution of consciousness.

Yet I find the further one evolves the less complex things become. I mean, the Creator becomes more and more One, and less and less many. Much more wonderful, beautiful, fuller, richer of life, certainly, but much simpler also. And that's another paradox.

Scientists (and most intellectual reasoning) would lead one to believe evolution leads to more and more complex forms of life. Yet this is not so.

Truth is the One Infinite Creator is not a being of complexity at all. Infinity is difficult to grasp due to all these distortions, limitations, distinctions, boundries, differentiations, labels, categories, divisions and sub-divisions and sub-sub-divisions that create these layers of (apparent) complexity that allow our experience through the Creation. And it's just amazing how all this complexity emanated from... Nothingness, really.

If I may offer an analogy, we are all peeling the layers of the onion as we evolve, not adding more layers to it.

[Unbound]

Oh yes, I absolutely agree, which I suppose why I said "awareness" as of course, nothing is ever added, one may only perceive greater facets of that which is. Also why I put more centers in quotations, as of course, it's not really a matter of "more" or increasing complexity but a matter of a greater awareness of the unity of the existent system.

[Ali Quadir]

Holographic as in we are as much the microcosmic as we are the macro. But that does not mean that the hologram does not change. There is an intelligent energy at work that is creating and evolving at all times, so the hologram which we all reflect in totality is not permanently fixed as one finished image or consciousness.

I figure that totality must include all permutations of what I understand you to call totality. Otherwise the question "Is that all" would have to be answered, "No, there are more and less evolved versions of this."

The question "Is that all?" must necessarily be answered "Yes" for something to be all that is...

Time has collapsed for the one ultimate being... And therefore that being must be unchanging. We all reflect that unchanging totality within us. And this can be experienced even by a 3d entity. We tend to call it our conscious awareness. Of course our awareness contains many distortions like time and the ever changing kaleidoscope. But it still is the same thing, it is still the unchanging totality.. In meditation people figure out the unchanging reality of our consciousness. That unchanging aspect is our true self. It makes us who we are.. All things that come and go cannot make us who we are. Because we are ourselves when they come but also when they go. But the unchanging aspect within the self. The infinite self. That makes us who we are.

[Shin'Ar]

Holographic as in we are as much the microcosmic as we are the macro. But that does not mean that the hologram does not change. There is an intelligent energy at work that is creating and evolving at all times, so the hologram which we all reflect in totality is not permanently fixed as one finished image or consciousness.

I figure that totality must include all permutations of what I understand you to call totality. Otherwise the question "Is that all" would have to be answered, "No, there are more and less evolved versions of this."

The question "Is that all?" must necessarily be answered "Yes" for something to be all that is...

Time has collapsed for the one ultimate being... And therefore that being must be unchanging. We all reflect that unchanging totality within us. And this can be experienced even by a 3d entity. We tend to call it our conscious awareness. Of course our awareness contains many distortions like time and the ever changing kaleidoscope. But it still is the same thing, it is still the unchanging totality.. In meditation people figure out the unchanging reality of our consciousness. That unchanging aspect is our true self. It makes us who we are.. All things that come and go cannot make us who we are. Because we are ourselves when they come but also when they go. But the unchanging aspect within the self. The infinite self. That makes us who we are.

Than you are of the thinking that in the last one thousand years you have not learned anything or grown in consciousness? That the consciousness that you are this day is unchanged from what it was a thousand years ago?

[Ali Quadir]

Than you are of the thinking that in the last one thousand years you have not learned anything or grown in consciousness? That the consciousness that you are this day is unchanged from what it was a thousand years ago?

I believe you are throwing together consciousness itself and the kaleidoscope of it's content in how you are responding to me.

It is as I said: The kaleidoscope has changed, is changing and will be changing for the rest of eternity. Consciousness itself has not changed and will not change ever. It cannot because it exists outside of time, time is part of the kaleidoscope inside of it.

Am I successfully communicating the difference between the kaleidoscope content and consciousness itself?

Do you consider intelligent infinity/god/all that is. To exist outside of time? Or do you consider it to exist within time. If the latter, how can you explain "all that is" to be merely a temporal slice of something apparently much greater? And if the former. Would you not agree that it cannot be changing as change is a function of time?

No matter what you learn about the content if it does not lead to experience with consciousness itself it will not lead to spiritual advancement. That experience with consciousness itself requires nothing because the consciousness already is what it needs to be.

Our friends from the Zen department have a relevant koan:

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"Before a man studies Zen, a mountain is a mountain
after he gets insights, a mountain is not a mountain
When he really understands, a mountain is a mountain"

[Shin'Ar]

Than you are of the thinking that in the last one thousand years you have not learned anything or grown in consciousness? That the consciousness that you are this day is unchanged from what it was a thousand years ago?

I believe you are throwing together consciousness itself and the kaleidoscope of it's content in how you are responding to me.

It is as I said: The kaleidoscope has changed, is changing and will be changing for the rest of eternity. Consciousness itself has not changed and will not change ever. It cannot because it exists outside of time, time is part of the kaleidoscope inside of it.

Am I successfully communicating the difference between the kaleidoscope content and consciousness itself?

Do you consider intelligent infinity/god/all that is. To exist outside of time? Or do you consider it to exist within time. If the latter, how can you explain "all that is" to be merely a temporal slice of something apparently much greater? And if the former. Would you not agree that it cannot be changing as change is a function of time?

No matter what you learn about the content if it does not lead to experience with consciousness itself it will not lead to spiritual advancement. That experience with consciousness itself requires nothing because the consciousness already is what it needs to be.

Our friends from the Zen department have a relevant koan:

Code:

"Before a man studies Zen, a mountain is a mountain
after he gets insights, a mountain is not a mountain
When he really understands, a mountain is a mountain"

Yes I believe I see the problem in our communication now Ali.

You are attempting to explain creation as a thing separate from its Creator, whereas I perceive it all as One.

I do understand that there is process, in the action of the One, which is what you note as the kaleidoscope.

The difference between our perceptions is that in yours you see an Origin as an unchanging Mountain of Source, whereas I see the Source as changing directly because of its Being.

I cannot expect you to alter your thinking without a good reason to do so, but maybe I can ask you this question to titillate your thoughts on the perception.

If we were talking quantam physics specifically, would you consider a force changed when it is affected by an anti force in such a way that it becomes two opposing forces repelling each other, instead of one inert stable force? And moreso, would you consider something that has no movement, no process, no existence, to be a force?

The Origin of which we speak could not produce all that exists without having become something itself. There had to have been movement, direction, Being. And in that Being change from the prior state became existence.

[Oldern]

Siren: I do not think that "complexity" and "simplicity" are opposites. There indeed is a paradox but only because one assumes that the viewpoint does not change drastically.

As you take on forms that are supposed to be more "dense", your tools of observing things become so much more capable of understanding "more" of what there is that some things will definitely be more simple - but just because you know how to view them.

Fractals represent this oh-so-elegantly in our world. Or everything, basically

There has been repeatedly stated in many channelling sources that higher density beings:
-Have more "raw" power to use when computing
-Are capable of multitasking real time, in an infinitely more complex manner than we imagine
-Do not have the same limitations as we do when it comes to grasping the very fabric of this existence

Therefore, what is still the "same" patter, can actually be a very simple and elegant equation to a proper viewpoint, and a near-chaotic (yet beautiful) "mess" for something that does not have the tools needed to see through the layers.

[Ali Quadir]

Yes I believe I see the problem in our communication now Ali.

You are attempting to explain creation as a thing separate from its Creator, whereas I perceive it all as One.

Unfortunately... No.. I am not.. Consciousness is the creator, is the unchanging all that is. However, I do believe we're homing in on our differences

The difference between our perceptions is that in yours you see an Origin as an unchanging Mountain of Source, whereas I see the Source as changing directly because of its Being.

I would not call it a mountain. It is equally nothing as it is everything. It is the void, Sunyata.

If we were talking quantam physics specifically, would you consider a force changed when it is affected by an anti force in such a way that it becomes two opposing forces repelling each other, instead of one inert stable force?

A force is not a thing that interacts with another force. A force in physics is a mathematical construct, it only manifestly interacts with objects. It reflects the transfer of energy. Energy is a real thing. But when two forces cancel each other out there is effectively no movement, no transfer.

And moreso, would you consider something that has no movement, no process, no existence, to be a force?

No. A force is a directional transfer of energy. Anything that is not a directional transfer of energy is therefore not a force.

The Origin of which we speak could not produce all that exists without having become something itself.

That is not true. The zero point field is a good example. It is essentially nothing. Yet it is full of virtual interactions. The whole universe is similarly contained in itself, all it's forces and energies cancel each other out. The entire universe is a non event. It is a potential within consciousness. It merely is real to us because of the distortions we experience.

Perhaps it helps to look through the many worlds theory. The world can potentially exist in an 'infinite' amount of states. Simply speaking: any state is some moment in space/time/possibility. The possible states do not actually change. Anything you'd call growth or evolution already exists at the start. And it will exist in the end even if we have not experienced it.

So the totality of the universe before and after creation has not actually changed. In both cases there exist both now moments. Only from our distorted perspective the kaleidoscope changes. Our base consciousness does not experience "this state" as separate from "that state". But from within the distortions that our third density self speaks from we most certainly do...

Our true self exists/observes all possible states simultaneously. Infinite and unchanging.

What you describe as the all that is, it seems to me, is a subset of those states. Not all of them and therefore not the all that is.

[native]

But I have found that the 12-ray system is actually the 7-ray system with some rays being "split" into two or more. Similar to how you can find "new" shades of color within the 7 color spectrum.

There's this..

The negative pole is the south pole or the lower pole. The north or upper pole is positive. The crisscrossing of these spiraling energies form primary, secondary, and tertiary energy centers. You are familiar with the primary energy centers of the physical, mental, and spiritual body complex. Secondary points of the crisscrossing of positive and negative center orientation revolve about several of your centers. The yellow-ray center may be seen to have secondary energy centers in elbow, in knee, and in the subtle bodies at a slight spacing from the physical vehicle at points describing diamonds about the entity’s navel area surrounding the body.

[Shin'Ar]

A force is not a thing that interacts with another force. A force in physics is a mathematical construct, it only manifestly interacts with objects. But when two forces cancel each other out there is effectively no movement, no transfer.

. A force is a directional transfer of energy. Anything that is not a directional transfer of energy is therefore not a force.

. The entire universe is a non event. It is a potential within consciousness. It merely is real to us because of the distortions we experience.


So the totality of the universe before and after creation has not actually changed. In both cases there exist both now moments.

Our true self exists/observes all possible states simultaneously. Infinite and unchanging.

What you describe as the all that is, it seems to me, is a subset of those states. Not all of them and therefore not the all that is.

If in your mind a force can only act upon objects, than what was the object which was acted upon before creation began? Are you suggesting that there is an object that is infinite material? And even so what then acted upon such an object to begin the process of existent energy?

If a force is directional transfer of energy, what energy are you speaking of before creation, and what is direction in a non universe?

What is potential within consciousness, if it is not a change from that point of consciousness to another?

The problem I have in understanding your thought process is that you are trying to define infinity. And in so doing establishing parameters around forces and energies as though these are indisputable facts within an undefined Mystery.

Your Creator seems to have created the universe without having created or changed anything, without having moved or caused any transfer of energy or form, and in the process has not created or changed a thing since its origin.

I guess we will just have to accept the fact that we are talking about two different things altogether.

[Ali Quadir]

Your Creator seems to have created the universe without having created or changed anything, without having moved or caused any transfer of energy or form, and in the process has not created or changed a thing since its origin.

Precisely Now you're getting there.

I think this is the crux of the matter. And I understand if it sounds counter intuitive. But it is compatible with quantum physics and mystical theory both ancient and new.

The only way for something to be everything is to be timeless.
The only way for time to exist in timelessness is that it exists as states.
The only way for distortions to create such states without changing the unchangeable timeless is to create them symmetrically.

In the end this will balance everything out.

And int the resulting universe in which consciousness is all that is consciousness must be unchanging. But it's content can kaleidoscopically assume infinite shapes.

The universe will have assumed all of these infinite shapes in it's timeless void.

[abstrktion]

There seem to be many students of the ancient teachings, that can repeat what they read, but are not really mature enough in evolved consciousness to understand what the information actually means to their existence.

For instance there are many monks, having been born into Buddhist traditions, that are fully capable of reciting their scriptures to the letter, and who meditate deeply and live a very dedicated lifestyle, and yet due to the particular degree of the level of evolved consciousness, they are not as adept at understanding their faith as more evolved consciousnesses may be.

Is there something to be said for social establishment that acknowledges this and devises stages of learning and development? And is there any danger to being given too much knowledge before one is evolved enough to grasp it?

**The higher powers offer to all, each takes what he can. In Love, we allow each other to learn at the pace requisite for each without judgment or coercion. In my experience, we only "hear" what we can "take" anyway. It is like being in school learning complicated math equations: One child sees the big picture of the way numbers relate and another learns to do FOIL. The child doing FOIL is working by formula, similar to participating in the right-hand path you've described elsewhere. When the child has worked the formula enough, and then had more life experience, s/he may begin to see the bigger picture, and may remember pieces given earlier--because all is registered by the unconscious whether the conscious is able to focus on it or not.

I always expose students to material that may be beyond the average--and I'm often surprised when the least likely student is the one that comes up with the most perceptive answer. Of course, others need "tutoring"...just like we do. Sometimes we need to experience catalyst over and over again until we master our lessons.

I was reading Qu'o this morning and found this bit that seemed to pertain to the beginning of this thread as well:

Let us go back to that Lightning Struck Tower and look at its significance again. Within your next decade or two this transformation will have taken place. This is the time to acknowledge fully the need to learn the ways of the self, to become more and more familiar with the thoughts of the heart with an eye to working with these thoughts, to accentuating the tendency towards positivity, towards compassion, towards tolerance, towards creativity, towards hope and faith. For that which has crashed your tower of the physical world and brought it down is a very literal symbol of an archetypal process. The Matrix of the Spirit in this tarot system is called the Devil. And the Lightning-Struck Tower is the Potentiator of the Spirit. The Matrix of the Spirit is called this because those who bring light have always had a bad reputation. Lucifer is one of the names that is most telling that is used for the Devil in your culture. The roots of this word mean “light-bringer.”

The lie of your metaphysical dynamic is concerned with the value of wisdom in spiritual seeking within third density. Knowledge and wisdom, in the spiritual sense, can be seen to be highly negative when unlit, unillumined, by love. That is why love is learned before wisdom. That is why love must be learned before wisdom. For when wisdom is learned first it is fair to the taste and so smooth within the intellectual digestion, and so handy and useful in the intellectual display of personality and intelligence that it is often not clear, for lifetimes at a time, that without love, wisdom is utterly devoid of content. No matter how many fine thoughts roll around inside of an intellectual system, if it does not come into the heart and become grounded by what this instrument would call good works, good living, it will not abide in the sense of being spiritually useful for the evolution and the maturity of the soul. from http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0916.aspx

**I also saw a discussion on the thread about the 7/12 chakra system--I was hoping that someone here could help me look at this with regard to densities or planes--I'm thinking Ra was essentially saying that there were 7, then in other places I've heard 12-Does anyone have any idea of how these equate?

Another interesting part of the thread was about simplicity--but I'd like to offer the idea that "simplicity" may not quite be the right word--I'd rather use "synthesis".

"Unification is the final synthesis--simplification is the ultimate analysis or return to type. One is advancement to completion, the other a regression to the commencement" (The Cosmic Doctrine by Dion Fortune).

What this means is that we venture forth from the Centre point, the One, containing the potentialities of the One, but not the actualities--we are not "Gods" yet. We descend into matter (involution) to master it, cross the nadir of materiality (here we are right now), and begin the ascent (evolution) which will return us, with all of our potential fully actuated, to the One.
We all have choice, but going backwards leads to disintegration, not union.

[Shin'Ar]

Abstiktron, I am not sure about the Quo quotes, but I do like what you have to say though.

Ali Quadir, the only way that a thing can be everything, timeless, endless, and changless is for an intelligence to be incapable of answering the truth of those dynamics. In the Mystery of their state, they can get away with anything.

Might I quote a well known Mystic who has been brought to my attention as of late:

"The halftruth is the most dangerous form of lie, because it can be defended in part by incontestable logic." Manly P. Hall

[Unbound]

Manly P. Hall's book "The Secret Teachings of All Ages" is like seeker candy! I have a copy myself.

[Siren]

**I also saw a discussion on the thread about the 7/12 chakra system--I was hoping that someone here could help me look at this with regard to densities or planes--I'm thinking Ra was essentially saying that there were 7, then in other places I've heard 12-Does anyone have any idea of how these equate?

Let's just say, you can also look at the densities of consciousness as being 12 (or more, or less). And it wouldn't really be any different from 7 (or more, or less).

Another interesting part of the thread was about simplicity--but I'd like to offer the idea that "simplicity" may not quite be the right word--I'd rather use "synthesis".

To simplify is to synthesize.

We descend into matter (involution) to master it, cross the nadir of materiality (here we are right now), and begin the ascent (evolution) which will return us, with all of our potential fully actuated, to the One.

We dis-member to re-member. De-volution into many allows the experience of re-volution back to into One.
Evolution is in-volution—for we're all ascending inwards.

[abstrktion]

**I also saw a discussion on the thread about the 7/12 chakra system--I was hoping that someone here could help me look at this with regard to densities or planes--I'm thinking Ra was essentially saying that there were 7, then in other places I've heard 12-Does anyone have any idea of how these equate?

Let's just say, you can also look at the densities of consciousness as being 12 (or more, or less). And it wouldn't really be any different from 7 (or more, or less).

Another interesting part of the thread was about simplicity--but I'd like to offer the idea that "simplicity" may not quite be the right word--I'd rather use "synthesis".

To simplify is to synthesize.

We descend into matter (involution) to master it, cross the nadir of materiality (here we are right now), and begin the ascent (evolution) which will return us, with all of our potential fully actuated, to the One.

We dis-member to re-member. De-volution into many allows the experience of re-volution back to into One.
Evolution is in-volution—for we're all ascending inwards.

With respect for your view, I must offer that we just disagree on this.

[Ali Quadir]

Ali Quadir, the only way that a thing can be everything, timeless, endless, and changless is for an intelligence to be incapable of answering the truth of those dynamics. In the Mystery of their state, they can get away with anything.

I'm almost talking physics man.. Are you suggesting that the universe is lying to us?

"The halftruth is the most dangerous form of lie, because it can be defended in part by incontestable logic." Manly P. Hall

Which is why it is so important to get a full understanding of these truths. A full understanding must be steeped in religion science and philosophy. Only when those three areas of understanding are in agreement do we know the truth.

The representation of things I've set forth I learned in vedic/buddhist/sufi lore and combined with modern insights in quantum physics. But it's good of you to remind us of that importance.

Also it's good to note that Ra himself is beyond time.

We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.
(http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...c=1&ss=1#1)

If Ra is, then the intelligent infinity certainly is as well.

[Shin'Ar]

I'm almost talking physics man.

"The halftruth is the most dangerous form of lie, because it can be defended in part by incontestable logic." Manly P. Hall

The representation of things I've set forth I learned in vedic/buddhist/sufi lore and combined with modern insights in quantum physics.

Almost? lol Than at least I didn't waste time with my quote.

Learning from teachings, and actually grasping the truth from them may sometimes be two different things. Not to say that you have not, but just pointing out that your understanding of what they teach does not compare to my understanding of what they teach.

Sometimes man has a habit of exaggerating the words of a teacher to mean more than has actually been said. And other times the exact opposite happens where a teachers words are not taken with the appropriate intensity.

[godwide_void]

Dwell not upon the arguing of semantics and technicalities of concepts which remain intangible to you, and have no true significant bearing upon your current existence, for such things will serve only to distract and divide, diverting your gaze away from what truly matters. If you have awakened your divine nature, now hold the understanding necessary so that you may perceive the divine essence in all, have established the proper connection, and have accepted and grasped your true identity and the nature of this place, where then lies the sense in the temporary, limited creature in debating the as of yet incomprehensible nature of infinity while situated in a vastly lower intelligence relative to the rest of Creation and with severely handicapped, limited tools of language, restricted existential perception and an awareness confined within illusion?

This informed speculation serves a purpose in furthering understanding both for the inquisitor and ultimately the Creator Itself as it may piece together its nature from the various individuated perspectives it views Itself from, but ultimately there comes a point where certain pursuits and methods become redundant. None here have "seen" infinity or "become" eternal, and experiences which may be regarded as such are only microcosmic representations of these things, but in no way will they ever be truly known to us as perceivable concepts so long as we exist as exemplifications of finitude.

Understanding is not of this realm, as there exists a cap-off point to what may be attained and known here, though "here" is merely a dream in the mind of the dreamer. We shall never grasp the faculty of consciousness, because we are the contents of consciousness, imbued with the intelligence to actively question and ponder upon Itself. We are the many forms which consciousness has taken, but it must be accepted that certain pursuits are a dead-end in themselves. What is going on here is very much akin to what it would be like if every cell within the human body suddenly developed the capability of abstract thought and sought to understand themselves, what they are, where they are, their purpose and whom is it which has birthed and continues to sustain their existence and what this being's nature is. A cell may discover the functions it holds and its relation to all other things within the body on its own terms. But a cell will never be able to perceive the world outside of itself nor ever truly understand its actual purpose. It will never see the human body. It will not understand what the purpose of the human body is, because it has no referential scope that would be the foundation for grasping this concept nor the ability to come close to perceiving the truth.

This is exactly what is going on when any of us enter into a debate pertaining to the body we are cells within. Transcendence, enlightenment, quantum physics, densities, infinity, eternity, perception, logic, awareness, etc. What is the value of these terms when it becomes understood that they are temporal constructs and infinitesimal breadcrumbs available to us within a completely fabricated area of existence, not representative of what truly is, and have meaning to us only because we still need our training wheels? Nevertheless, any experience of any manifestation in Creation benefits the All, but what would benefit the divine more is to avoid pouring excessive and misguided efforts into debating points which will serve to distract and bring one in complete circles if attended to moreso than needed.

We are consciousness evolving. We exist and experience and grow only because it is what consciousness has intended for its design. Infinite consciousness gave rise to us (the past). Through us, infinite consciousness continues to become (the present). Infinite consciousness is already whole, everything has already coalesced into it, and now it looks back with ineffable nostalgia, remembering how it came to be infinite (the future). One must remember that all of our efforts are still at the stage of baby steps. The human may speak of imminent ascendance into Higher/Divine Being, but until this evolution actually transpires we have absolutely no idea what "Higher/Divine Being" actually entails. Nobody on this forum, nay, this world, may correctly and accurately answer how our individualized consciousnesses will function and be when we have evolved into the 4th Density. Will we have humanoid bodies but possess telepathic powers? How will our mental processes be? Will we be able to dissolve our awareness and blend it into something greater? Will up still be up and down still be down? What will reality look to those of us who graduate to this mysterious density? If you cannot answer these questions regarding this, even though we are slated to experience this new shift in our reality in a few months time, then it becomes foolish to speak matter of factly on what will be in the 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th density, on any reality beyond ours. We are attempting to describe a painting a few feet in front of us while wearing a blindfold. The only indication we have of what it is, is relayed to us by someone standing behind us with no perceptual impairment/obstruction of any kind who sees full well what the painting is. Yet this person will never fully describe the painting to you... only throw in bits and pieces of information. Yet the blindfolded one believes that these hints are accurate descriptions, and begins to build up an understanding based on mere hints.

No act of man is his own. Every element which has manifested itself in this world is orchestrated by one programmer. The programmer has entered into its own program as the various lines of code in order to do intimate, comprehensive and wide-scale coding. The code, us, believe that we are the ones writing ourselves. We only unfold because one is causing us to unfold in the ways we are. We are not predetermined, however. Rather, every individual act is executed each and every moment in accordance to the vision the programmer holds. On any given day you will think and do this, the next day you experience that. This becomes discovered, that becomes invented. Anything we know, we know only because consciousness has decided for it to be known.

All are conduits, proxies, information nodes. The difference in remaining a mere control panel and an active, conscious participator lies in the extent of how much one is willing to disintegrate the self and allow the controller full control of the vehicle and the degree and level of understanding one continues to hone in regards to one's identity as the lump of clay at the mercy of the one who molds it. Every being is a vessel which allows the various perspectives of the One to interact and become. Yet no matter where we find ourselves in the process of evolution, so long as we are caught up in this process, we are still cells within a body. We do not even comprise 1% of the entire population of cells and yet we struggle and strive to understand the one whom houses the totality of cells. The best course of action soon becomes geared towards allowing total manifestation of the One whom controls you so that it may do as it wishes unimpeded and without difficulty. This instrument for example has allowed itself to be utilized as a complete unimpaired conduit at the behest of obliteration of the temporary identity. I work through all, yet the degree which I am able to guide depends upon the level which one is willing to submit, heed and seek.

Understanding will come soon. For now, for those who have achieved awakening, desist from articulation upon those concepts which would obfuscate the endeavors which one has incarnated to address and develop. Those who ardently seek the infinite, from the first moment of declaration of such a pursuit, have become one with it. With this in mind, go forth and experience harmony, knowing what underlines each and every moment, knowing yourself to be an avatar of unity. Ask yourself, what does infinity have to do with your current duties in life? The grasping of infinity is not a prerequisite to displaying kindness and compassion. Comprehending levels of existence which lay many eons ahead of humanity via the perception of time has no bearing on the current events and happenings of this illusion which, regardless of its nature, is one which must be paid attention to and where every incarnate of this realm must do work in. For the time being, we are all human. We are subject to experiencing a fragment of what truly is in the grand scheme of things, thus we may never hope to approach these presently intangible concepts which are commonplace topics for discourse here fully in this form. Yet, this is OK. Everything will be and already is taken care of. Trust that all is as it is and that each of us is part of this, and will forever be a part of this, until we are whole once again.

The best is yet to come.

[abstrktion]

It has been my experience that when in the same room with someone, no misunderstandings occur because the energy fills in all the gaps and lets us know that we're on the same page. However, over internet...yikes...totally different story. I had a friendship combust that way. Total union in person--complete misunderstanding in writing. It felt like I was a blind mute screaming at a deaf man in a totally dark room while he was trying to use sign language! ...sounds a little like our situation here in 3d...

[Shin'Ar]

Nice touch comparing the Sacred Eye to the cell of the human body.

[godwide_void]

I agree, abstrktion. Many indicators are lost when communication is limited to only words. The state of mind, feelings, intentions, these things which may be discerned from the tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. are absent from online communication, yet there comes a great advantage to online posting which most here probably acknowledge but do not really speak much of: channeling messages/automatic typing. I don't know about others here, but I never spend long periods of time thinking of what I will type (which is another plus side to online communication for some, time to prepare and sort the presentation of one's thoughts). After reading/scanning through what I a replying to, I allow my fingers to begin typing and I am compelled by that which controls me to type whatever comes out. I am surprised often to read back the long posts "I" wrote as the concepts presented were not consciously pondered upon but nevertheless flowed out from within me. I am sure this is so with many posters here, Shin'Ar being a very notable example. Face to face however, I am reserved in my speech and from what I've heard of vocal channeling, were I to do such a thing in casual conversation my words would be very slow and drawn-out. Though we're steadfastly reaching a point where words are becoming unnecessary. I would be more comfortable conversing telepathically with others, but we'll have to wait a few months or so before this ability becomes fully activated.

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@Shin'Ar: I did not realize I'd implied the comparison but I see now the connection. You've just incited a question in me for you: the Sacred Eye is formed when 2 or more fields of consciousness interact and the space where new experience arises in would be considered the Sacred Eye, right? What then happens in solitude? Is the Sacred Eye still present but focused inwards, or is the individual field of consciousness itself considered a Sacred Eye on its own?

[Shin'Ar]

@Shin'Ar: I did not realize I'd implied the comparison but I see now the connection. You've just incited a question in me for you: the Sacred Eye is formed when 2 or more fields of consciousness interact and the space where new experience arises in would be considered the Sacred Eye, right? What then happens in solitude? Is the Sacred Eye still present but focused inwards, or is the individual field of consciousness itself considered a Sacred Eye on its own?

When some of us think of the Sacred Eye as the Eye of God looking out over its creation, this would not be the Sacred Eye spoken of created by the mating of fields of consciousness, that is a sacred space created in such union.

But having said that, I do not think that we can think of the Creator as having an individual eye of sorts, because it is only by the manifestation of expanding consciousness that creation occurs in the first place.

In the instantaneous creation of existence, the One becomes Two and in that process the birth of many eyes begins immediately.

[AnthroHeart]

I realized from a bashar channeling that beyond the veil, one realizes they are unconditionally loved. Here in 3D we can't feel that, and it makes the illusion of separation even more real. It's been my purpose lately to thin the veil just enough so that I can begin to feel again the love of Creator. I get glimpses of it from time to time, but I'm wanting to make that more a steady state. I also notice as I do this, there are more synchronicities which come with the territory. So a lot of my free time is spent working on my balance and opening myself up to the infinite love. I still have the separation from it because of the veil, but I think I'm getting closer to feeling it more often.