Spiral Light Show over Norway

[ayadew]

Thanks alot!

More about the HAARP http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm

[xlsander]

Good Greetings All:

Look with your HEART instead of YOUR EYES and your Fallible HUMAN MIND... The Sirians are HERE now With the opening of the Star GATE... They are here to Assist us during this transition. They are here on behalf of the EARTH and all Lightworkers. Listen with your HEART... This is what Lady ISIS says: Norway UFO . . .

It was an IFO . . . Identified Flying Object . . . Identified by Archangel Michael . . . it was a Sirian Ship. The media is controlled and only tells us what they want us to hear. I got goose-bumps when I read the article and saw the photo before sending it out and "knew it was true." I later checked with Archangel Michael.

Don't always believe what you hear in the mainstream media go with "your own inner guidance." They won't tell the truth about the sighting in Norway anymore than they did about Roswell, New Mexico.

The time for using conspiracies to divide ourselves into us and them has to end... it is time for HUMANITY to begin to work as ONE.

fairyfarmgirl

that was lovely


Did anyone also think about that it might be related to the harvest? not necessarily E.T. presence or disclosure - or military related stuff ...

[Peregrinus]

51.1 Questioner: ... I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?

Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or Higher Self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their Higher Self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

If I may, I have but two questions.
Of which group would the Sirians be? and
Why would they need a craft?

[ayadew]

As I've understood it from many sources, only 4th density entities need crafts. They are physical, and live on planets. Thus they need a physical habitat, which is likely mimicked inside a craft. Vacuum isn't very healthy I remember.
If Sirians need craft, they are from there.

[fairyfarmgirl]

It is not a craft in the sense we make... but one made of light and intention... from what I have seen it looks like a sacred geometric merkabah type of thought/sound creation. It is called a light ship.

fairyfarmgirl

[Ali Quadir]

What are the sources for this?

In all honesty, I just saw a spiral. In the jump from the assumption that it was a rocket to the assumption it was a craft from Sirius. I kinda got lost.

[transiten]

Hello Ali

Well i choose the middle path: HAARPfacility; check David Wilcockand Richard Hoaglands theory [/b]out on Project Camelot, even if you don't like it 100%.

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[Ali Quadir]

I'm not quite sure about the haarp theory either. I do have great respect for Wilcock as you know. Just not so much for Hoagland. This time round however David went and called a low light image an infra red image. The difference is quite clear IR cams are very rare in the public domain, low light cams on the other hand are very common because they are much cheaper to make. This is a very unfortunate mistake. (I still think he's awesome though )

As far as Haarp goes, it's the best hypothesis so far I think. Haarp, or something like haarp produced by humans. I don't see why aliens would cause this. They're clearly capable of entering and leaving without the special effects.

Fact is that the event practically coinciding with Obama's Nobel price speech is particularly salient. This does not happen without intelligent planning. Ergo it's a designed event, human or otherwise. It's clearly not a missile. I've been able to have a go at guessing the size of the object, and in my opinion it must be between 50 and 100 km wide. I tried to err on the side of caution so it's likely bigger. This thing is just too large for a missile And remember the black hole effect afterwards? The size of the black hole grows faster than the speed of sound. Which excludes a natural gas effect.

To summarize the summary of the summary: I'm still really absolutely clueless.

It could very well be the Sirians. It's not as if I have anything useful to say other than "It's not a rocket." I expect channelers and new age guru's to actually claim it to be alien visitors. The fact that they now do so doesn't influence my opinions as much.

[Questioner]

What are the sources for this?

In all honesty, I just saw a spiral. In the jump from the assumption that it was a rocket to the assumption it was a craft from Sirius. I kinda got lost.

Let's talk about rockets, Ali.

I think it's inappropriate to call the rocket-failure concept an assumption.

Did you follow the links to the Youtube videos? One of them pretty clearly shows a computer simulation of how a failing rocket might make a somewhat similar looking sky event. Mainstream media reports usually include shots of that computer simulation, along with reports that the Russian defense ministry admits responsibility for a failed rocket launch.

A lot of people have put a lot of work into disseminating this concept. If it's not accurate, then it's way beyond an assumption into a pretty broad conspiracy involving the mainstream media (MSM), and public humiliation of the Russian military. I could believe that lazy journalists would copy each other. But I can't see why the Russian military would confess to not just this event, but a lousy failure rate of a key strategic system, unless they're trying to lure someone else into complacency.

I'm sure that those who claim to track all the different complicated branches of the Illuminati family tree could explain how the Rockefeller branch is manipulating the MSM to make the Rothschild branch the fall guy, or maybe it's the other way around. Or it's the Templar branch that's showing up the Masons or whatever. Or the Russian bear is the manipulator, pretending to snooze in order to lure someone into a trap - the Americans? The Chinese? NATO? Now those kinds of explanations really get me lost, and I'm glad they aren't the focus of this site!

In any event, for it to not be a rocket would involve a fair amount of cover-up and finger-pointing at significant risk of later exposure. If there was some kind of nonhuman, extraterrestial source of the event - whether spiritual or using advanced physics - that would certainly call for a defense ministry to try to minimize public awareness of their impotence to control the skies. If there was some kind of ET event, and the Russian brass knew about it, the failed rocket story would be a perfect cover-up. It would show that there's only one thing Russians have to fear in the sky. And that one thing to fear is that their rocket scientists don't have enough funding to complete their ultimate sky-dominating multiple reentry vehicle. By admitting failures that don't exist, they could get lots of funding to allegedly get things right. Again, we'd need some kind of conspiracy theory to explain why the missile crews would take the heat and keep the secrets if their rockets actually work better than reports.

As for the Russians, here's the TASS article: http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html...&PageNum=0. According to this report, the rocket design has not been very successful so far. I'll include an excerpt:

Its range is 8,500 kilometers. The missile is capable of carrying up to ten supersonic maneuvering re-entry vehicles with the capability to change the course and altitude of flight.
Russia test-fired ten Bulavas in the period from 2003 to 2008. Five launches were unsuccessful, according to official reports.
During the test launch of the missile from the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine on December 23, 2008, the missile self-destructed in the 28th second of the flight because of malfunctions in the operation of the third stage.
The "Borei" submarines with Bulava missiles are expected to make up the backbone of Russia's strategic nuclear forces until 2040-2045.

I'm not a rocket scientist, and maybe these things usually take years of trail and error. But a 50% failure rate isn't promising for the backbone of strategic national defense, is it? From the article, I take that as failure rate of getting the whole assembly up into the air, before the ten individual warheads separate.

If it was a rocket launch, it's at least an interesting timing coincidence for a complex new type of missile to be tested and very publicly fail. Interesting for this to happen the day before a major, well publicized speech pondering the possibility of an end to war. The time and place of the spectacular failure virtually guaranteed lots of publicity for the launch failure and the missile strategy.

Calling it an assumption that it was a rocket ignores the fact that a lot of people put a lot of work into promoting this explanation. You might have missed the news, or remain unconvinced. But it's far from an assumption.

"Hi honey, I'm home!"
"How was word today, Ivan dear?"
"We made the most perfect rocket launch, Natasha! Booster, three stages, then ten independent retargable warheads. You should have seen it! Just like a flower opening up to rain death on all our enemies for the glory of Mother Russia! Just then a UFO appeared promising world peace thanks to that meddler, Obama. But you have to not tell anyone or the security forces will kill us all. At this rate all us military rocket scientists will be out of a job soon! To save our budget the general said we have to pretend our rockets fail all the time so he can get more money for our project. Now I have to say that I'm a failure of a rocket scientist! If Russia ever gets peace how will a faked work history this bad let me get a job with the Americans or the Chinese? Maybe by then the Japanese and Swiss will have shut down their secret rocket programs and I'll never work again! Ah, get me some more vodka!"

[fairyfarmgirl]

Did anyone consider that the light ship nullified the rocket that was launched as an offensive against them... A Nuke that would have detonated---- now that's sure working for peace. I am sure glad the ET friends in the sky were there!--- fairyfarmgirl

[Peregrinus]

Firstly, rockets do not spew fuel and make pretty light shows. They blow up. Just ask the members of the space shuttle Columbia. No wait, you can't, because their rocket spewed fuel through a tiny o-ring. So, this "rocket" they say spewed fuel all over the place without blowing up... impossible.

Secondly, when this happened in China in 1988, I guarantee there were no Russian rockets over China. Nothing enters Chinese airspace without an immediate escort, and a rocket over a country such as China would be as good as a declaration of war.

Thirdly, the crop formation showing such sold me.

Cost of thousands of people seeing an actual "stargate": $0.00
Cost of posting it main stream media: a few hundred thousand
Cost of posting it on the internet: $0.00
Cost of media cover up: Priceless

Call it what you will, stargate, portal, wormhole opening.

[peelstreetguy]

I know some of you guys don't like ATS, but I found a post their with some very good info and links to back it up. This could be the explanation. Could it be EISCAT?
Check out this link!!!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526725/pg1

[Lavazza]

Firstly, rockets do not spew fuel and make pretty light shows. They blow up. Just ask the members of the space shuttle Columbia. No wait, you can't, because their rocket spewed fuel through a tiny o-ring. So, this "rocket" they say spewed fuel all over the place without blowing up... impossible.

I would really hesitate to compare exploding russian test rockets with exploding american space shuttles. Not because there are no similarities, but because I really don't think there is any way we could intelligently go about doing it without doing A LOT of research first.

With all due respect, I do not think there are any rocket scientists participating on this forum. I may be wrong... are there? (certainly not me) In my estimation rockets are not simple devices and as consequence it is impossible to make a simple observation and come to a correct conclusion if you do not have intimate understandings of the mechanics. And especially so of experimental Russian rockets. Just saying!

much love,
Lavazza

[Peregrinus]

Due respect noted, though not required. I am neither a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist, but I do understand fluids and physics.

Please, try to search out and find one video of a rocket "spewing fuel" and not blowing up. I would be most interested in seeing such a video. Then search out the terms "rocket" and "malfunction". Have a look and see what happens to every one of them. Another point... Rockets at high speed simply do not spin beautifully when they malfunction and "spew fuel" all over the place, not blowing up... They blow up and/or disintegrate. They are designed to travel aerodynamically in a straight line, not spinning end over end.

There are just too many things wrong with the media story for it to be at all realistic. Sheeple do like to be told things by the media so that they don't have to think for themselves, and therefore will believe what they have been told. This is easier, and allows them to continue to focus on everything but the truth.

[ayadew]

Free will, to view all information as equal and decide for oneself only and let noone control you, is a difficult lesson indeed.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Firstly, rockets do not spew fuel and make pretty light shows. They blow up. Just ask the members of the space shuttle Columbia. No wait, you can't, because their rocket spewed fuel through a tiny o-ring. So, this "rocket" they say spewed fuel all over the place without blowing up... impossible.

Secondly, when this happened in China in 1988, I guarantee there were no Russian rockets over China. Nothing enters Chinese airspace without an immediate escort, and a rocket over a country such as China would be as good as a declaration of war.

Thirdly, the crop formation showing such sold me.

Cost of thousands of people seeing an actual "stargate": $0.00
Cost of posting it main stream media: a few hundred thousand
Cost of posting it on the internet: $0.00
Cost of media cover up: Priceless

Call it what you will, stargate, portal, wormhole opening.

LOL! Thank you!

[Ali Quadir]

I've been studying the thing with the help of a few friends and I now feel I understand it completely... It was in my opinion a rocket.

Firstly, rockets do not spew fuel and make pretty light shows. They blow up. Just ask the members of the space shuttle Columbia. No wait, you can't, because their rocket spewed fuel through a tiny o-ring. So, this "rocket" they say spewed fuel all over the place without blowing up... impossible.

This rocket did not blow up, When it dropped it's second stage and went into third stage the engine got a hit and was pushed off angle. This did not destroy the rocket because the engine part is built to withstand an enormous amount of vibration and shock. Just not an unexpected blow from the side. It could not be leaking fuel for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

Secondly, when this happened in China in 1988, I guarantee there were no Russian rockets over China. Nothing enters Chinese airspace without an immediate escort, and a rocket over a country such as China would be as good as a declaration of war.

So well assume it was a Chinese rocket then?

Thirdly, the crop formation showing such sold me.

What did it show? I missed this.

My understanding is that it was a rocket over the white sea. It malfunctioned outside the atmosphere. There is no friction there, so the exhaust freely moves in whatever direction it is shot, and it is shot out at 4 thousand meters per second. The object can be calculated to be over 250 km wide. Which is why you don't see the rocket. It seemed ridiculous to me for the object to be this size but it means that the exhaust only takes less than a minute to reach the edge from the center. The video of the black hole effect is when the fuel is cut off. Like I said it has no friction so the fuel evacuates the center area at the speed it is shot from the engine. We only have camera shots of this they do not show the whole spiral, but just the most clearly visible center part. Which is why it seems to move even faster than it did.

The reason it is so visible is that it's back lit, it is in direct sunlight while the camera is in the dark.

It took me a while but I figured it out. And it makes absolute sense. It looks much more like a rocket than a projection like haarp would. And who on earth knows what a stargate looks like anyway? Visitors certainly never needed these special effects before. Objects of this size will be visible. If it is a normal side effect of a stargate opening then we'd note ALL stargates opening high up in the atmosphere.

The rocket was not leaking fuel from it's side, it was malfunctioning in another way. This explains the blue spiral, we know it is aluminium oxide. Which has a blue color especially visible when the sun shines on it. And part of the exhaust pipe (Incidentally containing the correct materials) which was at an angle must have received too much heat and just started to evaporate.

If you have any questions out of curiosity or criticism to my story, please ask them I believe I've gone through all of them in the past few days. I could not accept the rocket story until all my objections were answered. But right now they are.

To me personally the most disappointing thing is Wilcocks haarp story. He even called a low light image an infra red image.. Even I can see the difference. I still love the guy to death but this was a blow to my trust it's the first time I've seen him blatantly wrong.

[Lorna]

Questioner: "But I can't see why the Russian military would confess to not just this event, but a lousy failure rate of a key strategic system, unless they're trying to lure someone else into complacency."

(sorry don't know how to do a small quote of a big post without getting all tangled up in html)

anyway....

has russia come out and say that this light sprial was their rocket? i haven't been following news coverage of this for a few days but i did notice that the wording they used on their statement about the rocket failure was very carefully constructed. they implied it was their rocket that caused this but did not explicitly say it was

as someone who lies for a living, ahem i mean as a pr professional, their statment, to me, smacked of them issuing an explanation knowing full well it was nothing to do with them - the statement was along the lines that there had been a rocket failure in the area of ???... not that the light display had been caused by the failure of a rocket in the area of etc etc...

unless they've since changed their statment and have made a clear link between the rocket and the lights?

[ayadew]

Ali: Do you feel this rational excursion has been meaningful to you, then?
Perhaps circumstances don't matter.. instead, only state of being matters.

[Ali Quadir]

You are correct Lorna, Russia did not specifically state that this was their rocket, they just stated they tested a rocket in the white sea at that time which failed at it's third stage. I think they knew that lying was pointless. The coordinates for the launch are fed into the civilian aviation system. To avoid unfortunate accidents between private planes and military missiles. So sooner or later people would discover this anyway. I could show you how this exactly agrees with the photographs taken from Norway.

"Perhaps circumstances don't matter.. instead, only state of being matters"
Ayadew, the being you've been listening to also has a thing for playing with synchronicities. The previous time I heard this quote it helped me a great deal.

Regarding your question. I think the excursion was meaningful to me. But my friend asked me the exact same thing and surprised me too. I don't have a precise answer. But it's important to me to understand things. This is an addiction, it is often not only not required it has some severe drawbacks... But it is me. And while I don't think I want to change it. I do take note of your cautious and diplomatic reminder. The reminder is meaningful to me also. I am reminded of how in my childhood, I felt that intelligence was rewarded with love, academic achievement equals value. Which is of course a silly idea that won't make us happy people in the long run. In the end our attitude towards these events is much more important than circumstances or the meaning we give to it.

My life hasn't changed one iota, yet I feel great about myself for figuring this out... And that's a bit odd. Pride and embarrassment are the same emotion right? I seem to be experiencing them both now...

Intelligence is a great quality, but in the end it's not the most important one. I'll probably enjoy it in the future but I need to re-evaluate its position to me personally.

You missed a career as therapist dude. I think you just hit the nail on the head. And looked right through me. AND communicated all of this in only two sentences. I need to think about this. No wait... I mean I need to feel about this for a while.

Thanks for your service.

[Peregrinus]

I wish I had great animation skills so I could make a pretty animation of "how the rocket spewed fuel" with realism. What was portrayed in the video did not follow physics of a rocket which had a release of energy with multiple inertia directional influences. This animation showed the continued inertial direction of flight without consideration to the force exerted to the side. I could go on for hours into nitpicking so many things wrong with this.

Here is the video of the crop formation I spoke of. You can find it at 4:15+ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3863333/ch...as_norway/

I know some crop formations have been made by men, but more than many have not. My experience with crop formations is that which cannot be scientifically explained, thus my rationale is that I understand them to be made by entities outside our current plane of existence. For many years I knew that there were somehow other "dimensions" to what we perceive, but only when I read the LOO did it make perfect sense.

All I will say is that it is easier to believe a lie than to believe the truth. One caters to our illusion; the other to faith.

All are free to make their own decision. I know what mine is.

[Lavazza]

Thanks for your service.

I love catalyst can come in such a subtle way. I'm glad this has been of value! All the same, please don't cease with your insightful posts Ali. We always appreciate them!

[ayadew]

Hello Ali.We communicate in many more means than just through words here. I simply felt you needed to hear that sentence
Perhaps many do! It's real good!
Thank you for being you, so stick with being you!

[Ali Quadir]

Thank you LaVazza and ayadew for your kind words

I'm sorry Peregrinus, but the video you posted cuts off at 4:08, so I'm not sure how to get to 4:15... I still haven't seen the crop circle therefore.

You're free to believe whatever you like, I agree that the rocket wasn't leaking fuel. This could not possibly create the enormous size of the phenomenon. Only a rocket exhaust can do this. Also: a rocket leaking fuel is a rocket on the brink of exploding.

You're clear about your final conclusion. Unless you want to compare notes on various aspects of the phenomenon, I'm going to practice my new found hobby of just letting things be. Let me assert once more that I have spent days calculating distances and sizes and cross referencing and finally have solved all the questions which initially made me doubt the rocket theory.. None of my initial objections hold. I have checked some facts with assistance of other people but it was still my job and the conclusions are my own. No one else has changed my mind but me and the data I personally recovered and checked.

I'm available for questions or objections and might add my insights to specific phenomenon if they are discussed. But I'm not going to push the idea.

As you say, it's easier to believe a lie than the truth. It took me a while to get to what I believe to be the truth.

[Monica]

i did notice that the wording they used on their statement about the rocket failure was very carefully constructed. they implied it was their rocket that caused this but did not explicitly say it was

as someone who lies for a living, ahem i mean as a pr professional, their statment, to me, smacked of them issuing an explanation knowing full well it was nothing to do with them - the statement was along the lines that there had been a rocket failure in the area of ???... not that the light display had been caused by the failure of a rocket in the area of etc etc...

I noticed the exact same thing. It just didn't seem handled in a plausible way. If it had really been their rocket, it seems that they would have been more open about it. It seemed to me more like they grudgingly accepted responsibility for it because no one else had an explanation.

You're free to believe whatever you like, I agree that the rocket wasn't leaking fuel. This could not possibly create the enormous size of the phenomenon. Only a rocket exhaust can do this.

I assume you mean, that with the presupposition that it was a rocket, only a rocket exhaust can do this...rather than saying there is no other possible explanation besides a rocket?

Ali, I know how meticulous you are, so I can appreciate the steps you took to reach your conclusion. I think it's also important to note that, if correct, your conclusion proves only that it's possible it was a rocket, not that it really was a rocket.

Also, did your calculations depend on a certain type of rocket? Could an older generation rocket (from 1988, or whatever year the Chinese incident occurred) have met that criteria? And, why did no one claim 'rocket' when it happened before? (as far as I can tell from the available footage.) It seems to me that if it had been the same phenomenon that had happened in China, the media would have been quick to point out that it had happened before, since that would help legitimize their claim.

The bottom line is that, even if it does meet all the criteria for possibly being a rocket, still does not tell us conclusively what it actually was...since we don't have any way of disproving other phenomena that it possibly could have been.

I agree that sometimes the simple, mundane answer really is the answer...much to our disappointment when we find more glamorous possibilities more exciting. Then again, I think it's done that way intentionally...to allow those who would choose to not believe it to have an out. A perfect example is the crop circle phenomena. Sine there really are some man-made crop circles, those who wish to believe they're all man-made have a convenient vehicle to do so. Our holographic UniVerse really does accommodate us!

[Peregrinus]

Thank you LaVazza and ayadew for your kind words

... and thank you Peregrinus for your unyielding words.... I am sorry my friend. I ask the One Creator and my higher self for assistance in being more careful with my thoughts, words, and actions, in that I would strive to become better at being compassionate to other's feelings. Again, it comes back to my unfeeling... I may lack compassion, but I do not lack passion. As said by Ra, it is the downfall of the wanderer to get caught up in the maelstrom... as I often have.

I don't know why that video does not work at all now, for me, though I would suspect all sources contradicting the "rocket theory" will be slowly removed from the public eye.

Final thoughts to ponder then. If this were a rocket, why would there be two streams of light (rocket exhaust) coming from a one way rocket? You can clearly see such in this picture, which was taken using a tripod. I'm not speaking of the blue light. I understand they explain the blue light as remaining trajectory gas (which also spirals long before the light show began???). I am referencing the white light. Just thoughts.



Again, I do not mean to dissuade, but this morning the final and unequivocal proof was shown to me. Upon waking, my daughter's hair was, unbelievably, in the shape of a spiral, just like the portal opening and the crop circle!

[Lavazza]

That's such a beautiful image. I wish I could have seen it in person! Whatever the source / cause of this spiral, lets take it back a step and remember that all things in the infinite creation are still within the infinite creation. Therefore whatever exists and whatever is happening is a natural function of that creation. So, rocket, ET? What's the difference, really? I see a beautiful display in the sky, and I also see a near hit in timing with Obama's very insightful speech on the topic of peace and global conflicts. What do we derive from this? Surely each may see in it what they wish to. For me, the timing is too close to ignore.

I do not believe in accidents. If it was a Russian rocket, which I believe it was, then I'm sure that the people who built it did so (unconsciously) with the defects in place to create just such a display. It was probably agreed upon by the higher selves of each rocket technician well in advance of their birth. Or in other words, again, the universe / all that is / unconscious collective god-head has conspired once again to give appropriate symbolism to accompany pivotal moments in time.

What we choose to see in what we see is our choice. You can see evidence of fearful conspiracies, you can see the direct influence of our ET comrades. You can see unconsciously created symbolism. You can see a meaningless rocket failure... in my book, they're all valid, for indeed all are one and as such (I'm beginning to suspect) the only thing in the universe that is invalid is the concept of invalidation.

[litllady]

I just want to make a short reply here of how much this event reminded me of a nightmare I had a few months ago. I posted the dream at ATS. I try to post things even if they will have no meaning at all...just in case there was meaning to them. My dream involved a blue beam that formed 2 figures in the sky, they were huge! They slowly formed an outline of 2 figures, one being behind the other and smaller then the other, as if the first figure seemed to be the 'leader' or more powerful. As the figures formed, the one behind the other passed a blue ball of light to the first one, there was constant forming of the figures as they ascended higher and higher in the sky. The light slowly became a 'staff' or 'rod' as the figures ascended. It just so happened I had just got done leading a large group of people up a steep mountain side to a 'safe house'. We were in the safe house when I noticed out the window the blue beam and as I watched, the blue beam formed these two figures with a blue light outline. It looked like a video game animation. My feeling was amazement at first, interests, curiosity....until the first figure slowly turned to face a direct about face direction instead of its side view direction....it slowly raised its staff....and began bombing the world. It is the first nightmare I have had in several years now. As much as I want to believe it was just a dream, I feel a connection every time I see the picture of the blue beam in the sky with the spiral image. Some one told me to face the figure in the dream, if I had it again. Im not sure I could do that. The power that came from this figure was like nothing I have ever experienced.

Mabey its nothing...but still want to post it...if we see another blue beam in the sky and if 2 figures form (the first figure had a hood) I will just $%&*.

Love Lynette

[Monica]

I don't know why that video does not work at all now, for me, though I would suspect all sources contradicting the "rocket theory" will be slowly removed from the public eye.

I saw it too, so I will vouch for you that it was there before, a few days ago. Hmmmm...That in itself is rather telling.

Again, I do not mean to dissuade, but this morning the final and unequivocal proof was shown to me. Upon waking, my daughter's hair was, unbelievably, in the shape of a spiral, just like the portal opening and the crop circle!

Wow! That absolutely, conclusively settles it!

---

So, rocket, ET? What's the difference, really? I see a beautiful display in the sky, and I also see a near hit in timing with Obama's very insightful speech on the topic of peace and global conflicts. What do we derive from this? Surely each may see in it what they wish to. For me, the timing is too close to ignore.

Excellent perspective!

[Ali Quadir]

You're free to believe whatever you like, I agree that the rocket wasn't leaking fuel. This could not possibly create the enormous size of the phenomenon. Only a rocket exhaust can do this.

I assume you mean, that with the presupposition that it was a rocket, only a rocket exhaust can do this...rather than saying there is no other possible explanation besides a rocket?

You're correct. Peregrinus spoke from the rocket analogy, and I just followed suit.

Ali, I know how meticulous you are, so I can appreciate the steps you took to reach your conclusion. I think it's also important to note that, if correct, your conclusion proves only that it's possible it was a rocket, not that it really was a rocket.

I'd like to add this to your consideration. We believe the world is being guided by higher forces... At the moment a president is rewarded with a Nobel peace price for his efforts and future! efforts. People usually get prices AFTER the acts so what is it that people are signaling or predicting here? And at that same time an advanced nuclear missile a weapon of war is transformed by an apparent freak accident malfunction into a brilliant beautiful spectacle resembling a beam of dna shot from a galaxy and into the earth. My first impression was how beautiful it was. It seems to say that peace conquers weapons of destruction. It seems to say that a beam of information is transferred from a galaxy to our own.

Just because it's a rocket doesn't make the whole thing any less miraculous. I am absolutely certain from the experiences of my life that I receive higher density guidance. I experience events in the world as guided. If this consciousness speaks out to me, it unvaryingly does so through natural events that are possible but just extremely unlikely. The unlikely is often how they draw our attention. Witnessing the unlikely opens us up even if ever so slightly. If I say I believe, it's not because I saw the impossible happen. It's because I learned that the "improbable" is sometimes a likely explanation taking all things into consideration.

Yet at the same time I have to go with the rocket theory or abandon the idea that it makes sense to think about things at all. However, the two do not contradict. Like I said, I think that the synchronicities involved are highly indicative of higher density interactions. Those synchronicites to me are symptoms of an existing transfer of information or energy.

Ayadew suggested "Circumstances don't matter, only state of being matters" Perhaps this means that our state of being, whether we relate this event to our spiritual growth our physical demise, or as a physical irrelevance is more important than the event itself. Any circumstance will do. But state of being is much more important to the personal eventual outcome.

I feel like I'm spiraling through this topic. I keep discovering new things. You fairyfarmgirl and Lorna seem to insist on the spiritual view. And now I'm seeing that yes there is actually a huge spiritual side to this. My pursuit of a rational explanation made me miss that insight. If I seem hyper, it's all the catching up

Also, did your calculations depend on a certain type of rocket? Could an older generation rocket (from 1988, or whatever year the Chinese incident occurred) have met that criteria? And, why did no one claim 'rocket' when it happened before? (as far as I can tell from the available footage.) It seems to me that if it had been the same phenomenon that had happened in China, the media would have been quick to point out that it had happened before, since that would help legitimize their claim.

Look at Peregrinus his video again. I'm sure your Chinese is as fluent as mine. But the thermonuclear explosion half way the video seems to indicate that they do associate it with nukes.

The type of rocket does not matter much, a 1960 rocket could have produced the effect. The only different is in the absolute size (bigger engines bigger events) but you never really know how far or close you are to it without a lot more additional info.

The bottom line is that, even if it does meet all the criteria for possibly being a rocket, still does not tell us conclusively what it actually was...since we don't have any way of disproving other phenomena that it possibly could have been.

It's true, it's a game of estimates. You must decide on your truth in your own manner. Us humans have more methods than rationality to come to our conclusions. I don't presume to have the best one. Event's aren't atomic static things they are dynamic multi level interactions rationality simply cannot cover it all.

I'm only pretty sure that the physical manifestation of this event was a failing rocket. As far as the spiritual manifestation goes I find it so full of synchronicities that yes it smells like God. While I was off investigating the physical side and having loads of fun, I overlooked that side.

... and thank you Peregrinus for your unyielding words....

I simply thanked Lavazza and ayadew for their remarks considering my discovery of being overly analytical in these matters. You made no remarks in that direction so this particular thank you was not extended to you.

However I don't want you to feel left out thank you Peregrinus for being exactly who you are, thank you for being critical of what people tell you including me, thank you for investigating your own avenues. And thank you for sharing your findings. I for one value your opinions, even when we disagree. You seem to consider yourself much more unfeeling than I experience you. You do register on the radar as something with a warm beating heart.

I am sorry my friend. I ask the One Creator and my higher self for assistance in being more careful with my thoughts, words, and actions, in that I would strive to become better at being compassionate to other's feelings. Again, it comes back to my unfeeling... I may lack compassion, but I do not lack passion. As said by Ra, it is the downfall of the wanderer to get caught up in the maelstrom... as I often have.

You're preaching to the choir my friend. This whole thing did the same to me. I should be wary of the value I ascribe to intellect. And for what it's worth Peregrinus, I see me in you a great deal. You're just like me in many ways. I too value intellect, I too often have too little compassion. Not that I don't want to, I just don't always notice other peoples thoughts and feelings when I'm distracted otherwise. For example in rational pursuits.

You have not hurt me, I know you are sincere. Besides, I'm not exactly flawless myself.

Final thoughts to ponder then. If this were a rocket, why would there be two streams of light (rocket exhaust) coming from a one way rocket? You can clearly see such in this picture, which was taken using a tripod. I'm not speaking of the blue light. I understand they explain the blue light as remaining trajectory gas (which also spirals long before the light show began???). I am referencing the white light. Just thoughts.

Ok, imagine this rocket exhaust at an angle. The normal exhaust, the white fluff gets ejected at an angle causing the rocket to spin and generate the spiral in the vacuum above our atmosphere. Part of the exhaust pipe is now more heated than design would allow. This part slowly evaporates under the heat causing aluminum oxide to be released but not at the exhaust velocity of 4000 meters per second. It's still being ejected fast but much much slower. And this explains the smaller inner spiral. It is blue because it contains a high amount of aluminum oxide. The stuff sapphires are made of.

The difference in diameter for the spirals are the result of the two colors being ejected at different speeds. Not necessarily at different angles. The angle is likely slightly different but the big effect is caused by the different speeds.

This is of course a purely phenomenal physical explanation of an event that covers the whole spectrum of reality, from the deeply spiritual to the physical.

Again, I do not mean to dissuade, but this morning the final and unequivocal proof was shown to me. Upon waking, my daughter's hair was, unbelievably, in the shape of a spiral, just like the portal opening and the crop circle!

Lol Did you call her little cereal? The meaning of this event should not change by understanding it's physical properties. I doubt anyone could reproduce it even with full understanding it seems to me like a freak accident. I said before it could very well be the Sirians.

And really if you look at it. Even if it's in fact a missile. How likely is it for this event that is both spectacular and practically unheard of to occur at the very moment Obama receives a Nobel peace price for future undertakings... I'm seeing a trend. I'm still a statistician at heart.

Swords to ploughs right?

It's proving to be a very educational topic to me. I feel I have actually gotten somewhere, even beyond just figuring out for myself that it is a missile, it is highly unlogical to assume from this that it's a meaningless event. I'm sorry I realize I do keep calling it a rocket. That's my personal understanding please don't take it to mean anything other than me believing that it is a rocket. And I'm also sorry if I seem to be rolling around like a drunken sailor.