Balancing the Light and the darkness.

[Tenet Nosce]

Hey everybody!

I just came across this very interesting post on Divine Cosmos by one known as "Shin'Ar". Some insightful thoughts that I would like to share here.

Balancing the Light and the darkness.

there is no light or dark, there is only interaction between the two; opposing forces and opposite ends of the poles. and somewhere along the seesaw of existence is that point where the two begin to blend together. the blending point is not one perfect point on the board; it is instead a section where existence becomes neither dark or light. neither evil or good.

the experience is why we are here, and that includes touching both dark and light, matter and spirit, and understanding the difference between the two so that we learn in which direction we should strive to reach the beach.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[BrownEye]

So are we witnessing the learned result of interaction on this board being posted on another board?

I have seen this with religious folks on other boards LoL!

[Tenet Nosce]

So are we witnessing the learned result of interaction on this board being posted on another board?

I have seen this with religious folks on other boards LoL!

According to the timestamps, this post was made on DivineCosmos.com on 12-31-2011, 05:27 AM.

As one can see here in this thread, the same post appears to have been copy-and-pasted into Bring4th.org on 12-31-2011, 08:53 AM in response to an apparent "calling" from Azrael (now TheEternal) with Azrael's name inserted at various key points.

Again, Shin'Ar writes:

Can you understand that Azrael? That is what I feel you need to understand.

There is no light or dark, there is only interaction between the two; opposing forces and opposite ends of the poles. and somewhere along the seesaw of existence is that point where the two begin to blend together. The blending point is not one perfect point on the board; it is instead a section where existence becomes neither dark or light. neither evil or good.

So, the timing is a little strange. Not to mention the copy-and-pasted post with Azrael's name inserted into certain points. Kind of... curious... if you ask me... but then again... nobody did. It's just my own bias toward tracking things back to their source at play here.

But still a great quote!

[Unbound]

Aha That's kind of trippy.

[Shin'Ar]

What is trippy is the fact that Azrael told me how i inspired him and really changed his way of thinking regarding the darkness. What concerned me was that he was talking about suicide and I was trying to be very accommodating to address his concerns while at the same time trying to lead him out of his apparent leaning toward darkness.

To you Azrael I ask this: We both know how ancient your consciousness is, that is quite obvious. BUT given your taste for the darkness, would that not suggest that for many lifetimes that has already been your direction? And since you know that we evolve toward the Light, would that not also suggest to you, that after these many lifetimes of following that same path, that now you should be struggling to get away from it? we all spend lifetimes trying to learn how to escape the hold of the flesh so that we can evolve into our higher being not bound to the flesh. Don't you think that since your ancient consciousness has spent so long on that road, that it might be time to make that leap? Why do you want to remain where you have been for thousands of years? Why all this teetering back and forth? You are so much more than that.

I talked you out of your suicidal state just to have you become antagonistic toward me in thye difference of a day. You know that of which I speak. Why so confused friend? Don't answer, just ask that of yourself. It is within you to know the things I have awakened in you. We both know what we shared. Do not worry about how these others percieve you. This is your fragment of the One, and they have theirs. as we learn and evolve in these individual experiences we add to the All and become One. Sharing cannot be done without the individual compponents of it. existence cannot be experienced without its individual components. we each must be responsible for our own part of the All, and not blame adversity on the All as a whole.

[Unbound]

Honestly, I don't know what the next step is. :/

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I don't know how to change my interests...

[Shin'Ar]

Honestly, I don't know what the next step is. :/

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I don't know how to change my interests...

Completely understanding them. Wandering in confusion over them and making choices of one over the other out of confusion is not wise.

I would suggest avoiding one or the other until you can make a more complete assessment of what you actually believe is the right thing to do. not just for you, but for us All.

[Unbound]

How can I avoid something that exists in every moment? D:

[Shin'Ar]

How can I avoid something that exists in every moment? D:

each moment becomes YOUR creation.

[Tenet Nosce]

Honestly, I don't know what the next step is. :/

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I don't know how to change my interests...

Azrael- (Can I still call you that?) What you experience as "you" is only a small sliver of the entirety of your being, which is that of brilliant light and insurmountable love. Beyond this, you carry great wisdom which has been earned at the expense of your own joy. This is a great burden to bear, but it is not one which you carry alone. I, too, know the pain of which you speak.

Have you considered that you are precisely where you need to be, with the exact quality and type of experience which will maximize your propensity to be of service to others?

Have faith in yourself! Your true self! Your "dark side" is an illusion which you masterfully created such that you could learn about negativity without causing any true harm to others. I know it may seem that you have caused harm to others, but that is only because you were so masterful with your illusions. Yet- are you still focused on the illusion? I ask- what Light is shining so brightly so as to cast such a dark shadow upon your mind?

Illusions are as toys for baby souls. You are no baby soul. I call you to cast aside these illusions of darkness, and come to dwell in the fullness of your true self- in the Light and Love which is your true nature and being.

Namaste.

[Unbound]

MAN, why am I so lazy? Aha

[Plenum]

revealing the contents of private communications is pretty uncool.

[Shin'Ar]

revealing the contents of private communications is pretty uncool.

I will avoid your attempt at creating trouble here so that I do not get myself into further trouble with the mods.

[Unbound]

I am not holding any secrets, although I'm not sure I have ever been in a serious suicidal state, more entertained the thought out of curiosity, and despair. I know that I will not go until my time though, and I have already vowed that I shall never leave before it is.

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It's interesting, when I was younger and creating myself, I most certainly included a veritable light side, yet at the time I never explored it, never expanded it, I feel that my Light is certainly stunted compared to my Darkness.

[Monica]

I am not holding any secrets, although I'm not sure I have ever been in a serious suicidal state, more entertained the thought out of curiosity, and despair. I know that I will not go until my time though, and I have already vowed that I shall never leave before it is.

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It's interesting, when I was younger and creating myself, I most certainly included a veritable light side, yet at the time I never explored it, never expanded it, I feel that my Light is certainly stunted compared to my Darkness.

And now for something completely different! First get in touch with those feelings. This song is great for that. Have an open mind and allow it to touch your soul.

Washing of the Water

THEN...

Try listening to Sonata Arctica. It's impossible stay in a dark frame of mind when listening to them! and avoid the growly stuff for the time being.

Music is amazing powerful, for changing our state of mind in profound ways. (as I'm sure you already know!)

Misplaced Very uplifting! Listen all the way to the end and allow it to uplift you!

Don't Say a Word Turn off the analysis, and plug in the headphones. Let the music wash over you...become immersed...this music WILL lift you up if you let it! Higher...and then higher...and then when you think it can go no higher, it will go HIGHER!

[BrownEye]

MAN, why am I so lazy? Aha

I actually attempted suicide when I was like 12 or so. My dad really made me hate life. As soon as the rational mind kicked in I understood that he would "win" if I did this, and I would be the "loser". In some ways I was competitive, just not in what is considered normal ways.

I made the decision then that I would go out and do every little thing I felt like doing, and fully enjoy myself (I was already dead right?).............without the fear of death and consequences. Of course I quickly gained noteriety with my wild fearless antics.

After a point I became aware of the invisible hands that were actively keeping me from death with all the insanely stupid crap I would do. It actually pushed me to get even dumber and crazier with my antics..

Eventually I slowed down and accepted that there was a reason for my being here. And that being fully complete would be more enjoyable than being maimed. Not to mention the thought of the position I would be in after a botched suicide attempt.

I think there are a million ways of experiencing joy, but we have to claim it for our own. We also have the option of allowing the divine to work through us, instead of trying too hard to control our purpose. TIn this case, there may not always be clarity in the moment, but the realizations after the effect creates wonder. For me, wonder fits into the "joy" box.

[Unbound]

Aha I have a hard time expressiong this one, what if I feel joy in the form of sorrow for mankind's plight, but also awareness that all will come to Light? For me, upbeat or "happy" music doesn't really make me feel happy, it sounds absurd and over the top a lot of the time. I like listening to "majestic" or epic music I suppose, I find it really inspiring, such as Godwide's material.

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Also, I know how it feels to simply consider oneself as invincible. And then you begin to realize the folly of such outrageous activity and its rather lack of productivity.

[Monica]

Aha I have a hard time expressiong this one, what if I feel joy in the form of sorrow for mankind's plight, but also awareness that all will come to Light? For me, upbeat or "happy" music doesn't really make me feel happy, it sounds absurd and over the top a lot of the time. I like listening to "majestic" or epic music I suppose, I find it really inspiring, such as Godwide's material.

I totally understand. I really really do. Dark music reaches down into our soul and grabs the pain, and brings it to the surface. This is why I have always loved dark music - it was therapeutic to me.

But eventually, healing will come, and you will be able to enjoy lighter, happier music.

I guarantee it. I KNOW from experience. You can trust me on that one.

Conversely, listening to lighter music can draw out the joy. The secret is to start with something that delves deeply, then brings it to the surface. Peter Gabriel isn't metal but he is a MASTER of this.

Try letting this wash over you, with full focus/attention, and see what happens to your pain.

The Musical Box One of the greatest masterpiece performances ever...and evoking the deepest of emotions.

Watcher of the Skies / Dancing with the Moonlit Knight Master of transcendence

[BrownEye]

And then you begin to realize the folly of such outrageous activity and its rather lack of productivity.

Technically, if I didn't have to provide for family I would not be too much different. I like short stints of flying. Motorcycles, 4x4s, bikes, skateboards, I did it all. I miss those times, the closest I have been able to get is towing my kids in the bike trailer.

[Unbound]

Strangely I don't find adrenalin to be very exciting, I'm more of an adventuring, backpacking kind of guy for my natural excitement. I like to take it easy, especially in this incarnation.

[Shin'Ar]

I think its important to note, in my opinion anyway, that we should be cautious about understanding the differences between the darkness and the polarity of darkness. They are not the same thing. The darkness is in reference to the darkness of mankind wheres as we can also speak of dark as the opposite to light, as akin to any other oppposite in nature.

So when some speak of balancing the two, one should not combine the two as requiring the same sort of balancing. One should not approach the need to escape the darkness of mankind with a balancing mindset, as though it is nothing more than polarity. That darkness is not something to be balanced, but something to be ascaped. Not preaching, just trying to point out my perception of the differences.

[Tenet Nosce]

After a point I became aware of the invisible hands that were actively keeping me from death with all the insanely stupid crap I would do.

I've always wondered about that... but was too chicken-s*** to test it myself.

[Unbound]

I wish there was a clearer way to make this distinction more commonly apparent, as I feel this is a huge point where messages get crossed over and confused.

I think its important to note, in my opinion anyway, that we should be cautious about understanding the differences between the darkness and the polarity of darkness. They are not the same thing. The darkness is in reference to the darkness of mankind wheres as we can also speak of dark as the opposite to light, as akin to any other oppposite in nature.

So when some speak of balancing the two, one should not combine the two as requiring the same sort of balancing. One should not approach the need to escape the darkness of mankind with a balancing mindset, as though it is nothing more than polarity. That darkness is not something to be balanced, but something to be ascaped. Not preaching, just trying to point out my perception of the differences.

[Shin'Ar]

I wish there was a clearer way to make this distinction more commonly apparent, as I feel this is a huge point where messages get crossed over and confused.

I think its important to note, in my opinion anyway, that we should be cautious about understanding the differences between the darkness and the polarity of darkness. They are not the same thing. The darkness is in reference to the darkness of mankind wheres as we can also speak of dark as the opposite to light, as akin to any other oppposite in nature.

So when some speak of balancing the two, one should not combine the two as requiring the same sort of balancing. One should not approach the need to escape the darkness of mankind with a balancing mindset, as though it is nothing more than polarity. That darkness is not something to be balanced, but something to be ascaped. Not preaching, just trying to point out my perception of the differences.

Sorry Eternal, I really don't know hwo to say that in a clearer way.

We must all do the work of balancing the things in life that we confront as natural polarities.

BUt, there are unnatural differences found in some things that do not fall into the processes of balancing. They are more about choices than natural balance. I guess what I am saying is that one does not balance between walking in service to self and service to others. It is more of a choice as to whether or not one cares more about themselves than they do others. There is no balance there, just personal preference toward one or the other.