The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS

[Ankh]

Acceptance doesn't mean glossing over its true nature or pretending it's that which it is not. To truly accept it, we must be honest about what it really is.

STS uses lies and deception while spreading their message, do they not? Because that is STS true nature? Does that mean that Shin'Ar who used these methods is STS, if we are to be honest now?

[Monica]

STS uses lies and deception while spreading their message, do they not?

Yes.

Because that is STS true nature?

Yes. Which is why I was able to understand unity100's view that Hidden Hand wasn't to be trusted.

Does that mean that Shin'Ar who used these methods is STS, if we are to be honest now?

No. Who among us has never ever lied or used a sneaky way to make a point? Are we all STS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTe4SJnxPc

[Ankh]

No. Who among us has never ever lied or used a sneaky way to make a point? Are we all STS?

Would you use a sneaky way to make a point now, while consciously trying to polarize in STO?

[Cyan]

I do have a question.

How do you spread love and condemn the application of it in how this planet is run by love at the same time?

I'm referring to overreaching power-grabs..social manipulation. War, highly restrictive laws, unaccountability of politicians/government agencies/corporations etc. can't be tolerated. This of course is only possibly with a population that isn't involved in making sure these things don't happen.

Opening the heart in other areas so that values can begin to be redefined is needed the most, I agree. That's a personal journey unfortunately, so it's not as if the New-Age will just appear and be given to us. It's earned, like everything else in the universe. It's going to be a long and difficult process.

Even for those who wake up, the instinct is to shun society and become self-sufficient. We certainly have to relearn skills and regain more self-sufficiency, but unless one isn't helping to improve the community, living in a bubble won't do any good either.

Or do you believe that this planet is controlled by negativity, if so, what does that say about you, do you choose to be negative too (conform to the norm or serve the community that seeks to be negative by helping it be more negative) or do you seek to stand out (save the norm from being negative).

I don't think it's controlled by negativity because the power always rests with the majority, but we have certainly given it a lot of restrictive power that will require significant effort to reverse. The issue is that one first has to wake up from what is considered normal and break free from that. Most are content with the self though.

I notice two different views.

One focuses on evil and how to destroy it.

One focuses on love and how to enhance it.

[Monica]

Would you use a sneaky way to make a point now, while consciously trying to polarize in STO?

I would not consciously do that, no. But my point is that we all have our flaws, and we have all, at various times, been guilty of less than exemplary behavior. We've all made mistakes because of our own biases. Sometimes other people can recognize those biases even when we cannot. Furthermore, sometimes people have good intentions but might make errors in judgment when trying to accomplish something good.

In addition, Shin'Ar said s/he just posted the words and never claimed that the words were his/hers. (Is Shin'Ar male or female does anyone know?)

When I read the post, it seemed obvious that it was some channeled work, though I didn't recognize it. But I could tell it wasn't Shin'Ar's words.

Still, yes, it was misleading. No doubt about that. But at worst, it might be an error in judgment. Since when do we go around telling people they are STS, because of an error in judgment?

[Ankh]

Since when do we go around telling people they are STS, because of an error in judgment?

Exactly! That is what I mean too. There isn't any made up scenario with imaginary STS entities anymore. It is real people and this is happening now. If I am to trust what Shin'Ar wrote about himself, despite him using lies and deception, it doesn't seem to me as he is consciously polarizing in STS path either, although his methods are questionable. Several people mentioned him using methods of imposing his truth/"Light", preaching/teaching, being "Guru of the Week" etc, and well, not to mention his first post in this thread. What I am trying to say is that instead of seeking division, why not seek oneness? And I agree with you, that acceptance doesn't mean to be dishonest with what is.

[Monica]

Since when do we go around telling people they are STS, because of an error in judgment?

Exactly! That is what I mean too.

Oh, ok then. I misunderstood you here:

STS uses lies and deception while spreading their message, do they not? Because that is STS true nature? Does that mean that Shin'Ar who used these methods is STS, if we are to be honest now?

...and thought you were saying Shin'Ar was STS. Thank you for clearing that up.

There isn't any made up scenario with imaginary STS entities anymore. It is real people and this is happening now. If I am to trust what Shin'Ar wrote about himself, despite him using lies and deception,

What does it mean to trust someone? How many people on this forum do we actually trust?

Why be concerned about trust? Why even wonder about the polarity of the other person? An STS person could claim to be STO. An STO person is less likely to claim to be STS, so if someone claims to be STS, then they probably really are STS, logically speaking, so our job of discerning is made easier, though they might actually be confused about their polarity. We really can't trust labels. The solution is to avoid labeling, avoid trusting any labels, but simply use discernment at all times, regardless of who it is or what we're reading.

I have no idea as to Shin'Ar's polarity, and it truly doesn't matter to me. My response is still the same.

Now, to someone who comes waltzing in and claims to be STS, I'm likely to be a bit more wary. (which is exactly what Shin'Ar is suggesting, incidentally.)

But errors in judgment and personality quirks don't make someone STS.

Several people mentioned him using methods of imposing his truth/"Light", preaching/teaching, being "Guru of the Week" etc, and well, not to mention his first post in this thread. What I am trying to say is that instead of seeking division, why not seek oneness?

Shin'Ar certainly isn't the first person to seek division here at Bring4th.

And I agree with you, that acceptance doesn't mean to be dishonest with what is.

What I was referring to, was this: If an entity truly is polarized STS, and openly admits it, but offers to 'help' us, that is a contradiction. STS entities don't try to help us; they try to derail us. Yes, eventually, ultimately, their service did help us polarize, by providing catalyst. But in the midst of it, they are serving themselves, not us.

We might think we are 'loving and accepting' them by engaging in dialog and showing appreciation for their service, but if they respond to that favorably, then that's a clue that we may have fallen prey to a trap.

Because, if they truly are STS, then they will be repelled by our show of appreciation. Which is exactly what we want, at this point, if we are trying to deflect their negative influence. Yes, we want to love, accept, and appreciate them, but wisdom dictates that we pay attention to how they respond to that.

The best way to ward off a psychic attack is with love and acceptance.

If they keep coming back for more, then either they aren't really STS, but are of mixed polarity or are confused, or we aren't really as loving and accepting as we think we are. We may in fact be glossing over what they really are, and unwittingly feeding them with our naivete.

When we think we are 'loving and accepting' the STS entity, are we really loving and accepting them in all their ugliness, or are we only able to do it when they are being nice to us?

Is it really love and acceptance of STS, to be nice to someone who claims to be STS, but is very polite?

Then, when someone whom we believe to be STO, behaves in an STS way, we cannot handle it?

What is it really, that we are actually loving and accepting?

I contend that it is the STS aspects in each of us, that we must love and accept. It's easy to love/accept someone who is being polite. Not so easy to love/accept someone whose biases and flaws are on display.

When we think we're loving/accepting the STS entity while they are being polite, we aren't loving and accepting STS at all. We are loving/accepting their polite demeanor, which is just a mask.

Truly loving and accepting STS would be to look into the eyes of a killer as he tears apart his prey. (While doing what we can to stop him of course...but loving him as we decline his offer of negative service.)

Not so easy to do. But let's start small. Let's try just loving and accepting the personality quirks of our brethren here at Bring4th. Let's trying loving and accepting them when they have differences of opinion, when they say something we don't like, when they annoy us or when we spot some flaw in their personality. Let's try loving and accepting them when they fail to totally love and accept us...when they spot something about ourselves they don't like (for it works both ways!). Let's try loving and accepting them when they mirror our own flaws back to us.

Maybe we need to pull that off before tackling something nastier, eh?

It seems to me that Shin'Ar may be trying to point out to us that what we think is STS, might not really be STS, and we might even be missing the real negative influences right underneath our noses. (Shin'Ar, please correct me if I'm misrepresenting you.)

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[Ankh]

There isn't any made up scenario with imaginary STS entities anymore. It is real people and this is happening now. If I am to trust what Shin'Ar wrote about himself, despite him using lies and deception,

What does it mean to trust someone? How many people on this forum do we actually trust?

I used the wrong word. I meant to say to "believe what he said being true".

Why even wonder about the polarity of the other person?

Well, THAT is a good question! If you are to avoid, condemn, reject, or whatever verb you want to use against STS entities, then who is this STS entity? Who shall we condemn, judge and reject? (I am not saying that you are doing that, Monica, but that is what Shin'Ar has been proposing.)

The solution is to avoid labeling, avoid trusting any labels, but simply use discernment at all times, regardless of who it is or what we're reading.

Agreed. Especially when someone claims to be STO.

I have no idea as to Shin'Ar's polarity, and it truly doesn't matter to me. My response is still the same.

Same here. =)

Now, to someone who comes waltzing in and claims to be STS, I'm likely to be a bit more wary. (which is exactly what Shin'Ar is suggesting, incidentally.)

If I would be a highly polarized STS entity, I would never waltz in and claim to be STS, but would say that I am very STO, be nice, sweet and pretty, and *then* smack them in the face so to speak, and bring the deception and lies to create the separation or whatever my agenda would be.

But errors in judgment and personality quirks don't make someone STS.

Oh, I hope not! Otherwise, no positive entity will ever make the Harvest!

What I was referring to, was this: If an entity truly is polarized STS, and openly admits it, but offers to 'help' us, that is a contradiction. STS entities don't try to help us; they try to derail us. Yes, eventually, ultimately, their service did help us polarize, by providing catalyst. But in the midst of it, they are serving themselves, not us.

What if this same person claims to be STO? There is no really way to tell it, you know? Who is who? We are veiled and confused. And we can not read violet ray. If someone claims to be STS, then it is more likely so, but what if this person claims to be STO?

We might think we are 'loving and accepting' them by engaging in dialog and showing appreciation for their service, but if they respond to that favorably, then that's a clue that we may have fallen prey to a trap.

The dialogue between me and Zaxon was very respectful, and reached a mutual understanding. The dialogue with Shin'Ar resulted in him trying to trap members of this forum, throwing accusations and judgements in my and other's way. I said in one of my previous posts in this thread that I don't know what to make out of it, but I do *now*. Continuing seeking oneness. Continuing being honest. Continuing being open. And if someone traps me in the future, then I have lessons to learn.

Because, if they truly are STS, then they will be repelled by our show of appreciation. Which is exactly what we want, at this point, if we are trying to deflect their negative influence. Yes, we want to love, accept, and appreciate them, but wisdom dictates that we pay attention to how they respond to that.

The best way to ward off a psychic attack is with love and acceptance.

I do not love and accept them in order to repell their interest in me, or try to scare them away with love (although it is still in my mind and very attractive), but to find peace. To find oneness, which for me, leads through the heart. The wisdom to me is to realize that I am in third density, and it is ok to reject services which would do harm.

If they keep coming back for more, then either they aren't really STS, but are of mixed polarity or are confused, or we aren't really as loving and accepting as we think we are. We may in fact be glossing over what they really are, and unwittingly feeding them with our naivete.

Ah well, all of us is still here. And none of us has graduated yet... (j/k)

When we think we are 'loving and accepting' the STS entity, are we really loving and accepting them in all their ugliness, or are we only able to do it when they are being nice to us?

Is it really love and acceptance of STS, to be nice to someone who claims to be STS, but is very polite?

Then, when someone whom we believe to be STO, behaves in an STS way, we cannot handle it?

What is it really, that we are actually loving and accepting?

I contend that it is the STS aspects in each of us, that we must love and accept. It's easy to love/accept someone who is being polite. Not so easy to love/accept someone whose biases and flaws are on display.

When we think we're loving/accepting the STS entity while they are being polite, we aren't loving and accepting STS at all. We are loving/accepting their polite demeanor, which is just a mask.

Good questions! I don't claim to know any answers. What I believe though is that we are studying an advanced material. In that material it is said that Law of One blinks neither at the darkness nor the light, but is available for all. Ra says furthermore that you can not judge the polarity of an act or a person, and by that I understand judgement being in terms of evil/good. All is love/light, light/love, unity. All is One. It is indeed advanced spiritual approach while trying to learn it in third density.

Truly loving and accepting STS would be to look into the eyes of a killer as he tears apart his prey.

Naaah... Not sure that I agree... Truly loving and accepting would be a total understanding/melting/realization within that this is the Creator, but you are the Creator too. So you stop this entity. Wisdom would perhaps also be to realize that this density has its limitation and while you are stopping this entity from tearing another one apart, you perhaps don't feel so much love. But you can balance this in meditation.

Not so easy to do. But let's start small. Let's try just loving and accepting the personality quirks of our brethren here at Bring4th. Maybe we need to pull that off before tackling something nastier, eh?

Agreed. This is my philosophy as well. Let's look around and inside ourselves, before looking at the bigger picture which we don't have anyway.

[Tenet Nosce]

Pardon me... but maybe I have missed something here. To my knowledge and awareness, the ONLY member who has been overtly referring to other members as "STS" is Shin'Ar. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Monica]

Pardon me... but maybe I have missed something here. To my knowledge and awareness, the ONLY member who has been overtly referring to other members as "STS" is Shin'Ar. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Did Shin'Ar refer to anyone else besides Zaxion as STS? (I'm not counting Zaxion since he referred to himself as STS.)

I perceived Ankh as saying Shin'Ar was STS, but she corrected me on that.

[BrownEye]

When the higher realms describe us as "comical", this is what they mean.

[Monica]

When the higher realms describe us as "comical", this is what they mean.

Yeah no kidding! That's why they don't need tv up there. Plenty of soap operas going on here in 3D!

[Unbound]

Shin'Ar once called me a Son of Belial and an enemy of his teachings, so I presume that to mean the same as STS.

[Ankh]

When the higher realms describe us as "comical", this is what they mean.

Yeah no kidding! That's why they don't need tv up there. Plenty of soap operas going on here in 3D!

4D+ can't hold himself anymore and start giggling, another one says: "Dude! Stop laughing! We have to learn love watching that! Laughs are in the next density!"

[Tenet Nosce]

Pardon me... but maybe I have missed something here. To my knowledge and awareness, the ONLY member who has been overtly referring to other members as "STS" is Shin'Ar. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Did Shin'Ar refer to anyone else besides Zaxion as STS? (I'm not counting Zaxion since he referred to himself as STS.)

I perceived Ankh as saying Shin'Ar was STS, but she corrected me on that.

My Thoughts On STS
03-05-2012, 12:43 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2012 12:43 PM by Shin'Ar.) Post: #1
My Thoughts On STS
It seems that it is not popular to express one's interpretations of the Ra material with regard to STS here in this forum.

It is obvious that most here are STS oriented and so my thoughts become agitating to them.

I think I will rpobably not be welcome here if I continue to offer my interpretataion of the Law of One and so I will avoid this particular forum and stick to the Olio Forum.

03-08-2012, 07:00 PM Post: #31
RE: The Battle for the Souls of this World
Ashim,

You have an understanding of the darkness that few here have managed to grasp, or are deliberately suppressing so that they can excuse their choice to walk the path of STS, as they call it here.

Never let others lead you astray from what you know with regard to this darkness that manipulates our world. Knowing it is our protection from it.

03-05-2012, 02:07 PM Post: #87
RE: Power, Community, & why guidelines are important
How is my noting that most in the thread seem to be of STS orientation an insult?

From what I have discerned the majority are STS oriented. have you dsicerned differently. If so, I do not consider your difference of discerment an insult.

This last post immediately precedes one of your own in the thread. Perhaps you missed it?

[Monica]

Well, THAT is a good question! If you are to avoid, condemn, reject, or whatever verb you want to use against STS entities, then who is this STS entity? Who shall we condemn, judge and reject? (I am not saying that you are doing that, Monica, but that is what Shin'Ar has been proposing.)

Well, again, I haven't read all of the exchanges with Shin'Ar so I may be missing some big pieces, but the only part I read was regarding Zaxion, the self-professed STS entity. I haven't had an interactions with Zaxion, but I would presume he wouldn't mind being labeled STS, if he already called himself that, right?

Agreed. Especially when someone claims to be STO.

That would include most of us here.

If I would be a highly polarized STS entity, I would never waltz in and claim to be STS,

But that's exactly what Zaxion did. And Hidden Hand, though not here. And if I remember correctly, I think we had a couple of others here too. So, if they're not STS, then what are they, then? If they are STO, then why are they claiming to be STS? Wouldn't that be deception? Why would an STO do that?

but would say that I am very STO, be nice, sweet and pretty, and *then* smack them in the face so to speak, and bring the deception and lies to create the separation or whatever my agenda would be.

Yes, that is indeed a frequently used strategy, and therefore possible in this case. I am not discounting that possibility.

Then again, how many times have our own members acted syrupy sweet to one another as long as they were in agreement, but then smacked the other person in the face as soon as there was disagreement?

Does this make them STS?

Are Shin'Ar's actions really any worse than others we've witnessed here? Why are they deemed STS while established members' actions are tolerated, accepted, and even cheered?

The multiple dogpiles on unity100 come to mind...

I've been here over 3 years, and I have witnessed some nasty behavior directed at several of our members. Never did I ever think any of them were actually STS. It was just their issues coming out. How is this any different? Why is this relatively new member being branded? Why is there so much suspicion?

Maybe Shin'Ar really is STS. I have no idea. But if so, then this is incredibly ironic. If s/he really is STS, then s/he must be getting something to eat at our table, to be sticking around.

What if this same person claims to be STO? There is no really way to tell it, you know? Who is who? We are veiled and confused. And we can not read violet ray. If someone claims to be STS, then it is more likely so, but what if this person claims to be STO?

A claim of STO means nothing. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, and assume they're STO or mixed, and treat them with love, and if they act nasty, mean, manipulative or deceptive, then I assume they are simply expressing that 49% or whatever amount of STS is in them...they are getting their buttons pushed, just like we all are, at this nexus. It is, after all, 2012. Things are heating up!

If it turns out they are in fact STS, then they will tire of the game, and go somewhere else to find something to eat. But giving them undue attention, suspicion, anger, annoyance, fear, or even fascination, will surely keep them sniffing around, looking for that tasty morsel.

The dialogue between me and Zaxon was very respectful, and reached a mutual understanding.

Precisely my point. And this is the person who claims to be STS? What do you make of that?

The dialogue with Shin'Ar resulted in him trying to trap members of this forum, throwing accusations and judgements in my and other's way.

Exactly. How often have we all encountered "accusations and judgments" with other forum members, dear friends, and family members? How many times has the worst in all of us come out?

Whereas, a truly STS entity might be so slick that we may erroneously think they are benign, because they don't trigger any ripples in our lives...yet.

They might be so slick that they gain our trust. We can't always go by what we see on the surface.

What, then, do we do?

We just continue to radiate love, regardless.

I said in one of my previous posts in this thread that I don't know what to make out of it, but I do *now*. Continuing seeking oneness. Continuing being honest. Continuing being open. And if someone traps me in the future, then I have lessons to learn.

Exactly! All this talk of who is or isn't STS is fruitless.

Our own impression of Shin'Ar doesn't validate or negate anything s/he has to say. There may be valid points made by him/her. I am suggesting that it might be more fruitful to consider his/her viewpoints on their own merit, with no regard for his/her personality flaws.

Like you said about HH: Consider the message, even if we don't like the messenger.

The problem with applying this to HH, though, is that HH is a self-professed negative entity. What, then, is the purpose of claiming to be STS?

Which brings us back full circle to Shin'Ar's concerns...

I do not love and accept them in order to repell their interest in me, or try to scare them away with love (although it is still in my mind and very attractive), but to find peace. To find oneness, which for me, leads through the heart. The wisdom to me is to realize that I am in third density, and it is ok to reject services which would do harm.

As long as they aren't any danger, then sure. But what about what happened to Carla? She was being threatened. It was a very real threat. I don't think there's anything wrong with protecting oneself, and desiring that the STS entity leave.

Naaah... Not sure that I agree... Truly loving and accepting would be a total understanding/melting/realization within that this is the Creator, but you are the Creator too. So you stop this entity. Wisdom would perhaps also be to realize that this density has its limitation and while you are stopping this entity from tearing another one apart, you perhaps don't feel so much love. But you can balance this in meditation.

This confirms my point, which is that when we claim to be "loving/accepting" an STS entity who is posting polite discourse on our forum, we really aren't. We're kidding ourselves. We're loving/accepting his polite demeanor, not his STS character.

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This last post immediately precedes one of your own in the thread. Perhaps you missed it?

Oh wow, I most definitely did miss those! Which thread are those in?

When 2 people post at the same time, the system will of course show them one after the other. Meanwhile, the member might log off immediately after hitting the post button, and totally miss the post right before or after their own.

I do that a lot. I open and close my browser tab all day long.

[Tenet Nosce]

Oh wow, I most definitely did miss those! Which thread are those in?

They are in the respective quotes, after the "Joined" line. I went back and added links for easier browsing. I believe each one is from a different thread.

[Monica]

They are in the respective quotes, after the "Joined" line. I will go back and add links for easier browsing. I believe each one is from a different thread.

OK thanks. I found one of them; I was responding briefly to norral and not engaged in the main conversation. I read rather hit-and-miss these days.

At any rate, ok, Shin'Ar did accuse members (at least those in that particular thread) of being STS. Not cool.

It doesn't change my main points, though. And it's certainly not anything that hasn't been seen before in these parts. It's happened a number of times, though not in such a blanket statement as that. Usually it's 1 or 2 members being singled out. Shin'Ar just did in 1 fell swoop, what others do piecemeal.

[Tenet Nosce]

At any rate, ok, Shin'Ar did accuse members (at least those in that particular thread) of being STS. Not cool.

It doesn't change my main points, though. And it's certainly not anything that hasn't been seen before in these parts. It's happened a number of times, though not in such a blanket statement as that. Usually it's 1 or 2 members being singled out. Shin'Ar just did in 1 fell swoop, what others do piecemeal.

I am not personally offended by Shin'Ar referring to the majority of Bring4th members as "STS". I don't agree with the assessment, but he is free to make it as suits his pleasure.

What I'm confused about is... how this behavior is found to be consistent with the forum guidelines. I see a few people making excuses and defending Shin'Ar when it seems pretty clear to me that the guidelines have been repeatedly infringed upon with these posts. Also- since I am on the topic of forum guidelines... isn't spamming the forum by starting multiple threads on pretty much the same topic an infringement as well? In my opinion, it detracts from the quality of the forum experience when one member decides to use the forum as a platform for proselytizing.

Is this behavior consistent with the purpose of the forum? Telling others how naughty they are and warning them of all the bad things that are going to happen if they don't change their ways? Reminds me of those Jesus freaks yelling at people on college campuses about the "horrors" of fornication.

[Ankh]

I haven't had an interactions with Zaxion, but I would presume he wouldn't mind being labeled STS, if he already called himself that, right?

He said that he prefered STS polarity.

But that's exactly what Zaxion did. And Hidden Hand, though not here. And if I remember correctly, I think we had a couple of others here too. So, if they're not STS, then what are they, then? If they are STO, then why are they claiming to be STS? Wouldn't that be deception? Why would an STO do that?

Oh, I am sure that they at least trying to polarize in service to self. When someone claims to be STS, there is really no reason to *not* to believe that information, if they are serious. There are lots of trolls though. =)

Then again, how many times have our own members acted syrupy sweet to one another as long as they were in agreement, but then smacked the other person in the face as soon as there was disagreement?

Does this make them STS?

Not in my eyes.

Are Shin'Ar's actions really any worse than others we've witnessed here? Why are they deemed STS while established members' actions are tolerated, accepted, and even cheered?

I think that Shin'Ar has been tolerated, accepted and even cheered too. But to make myself clear now: I don't see Shin'Ar as STS. As you said it yourself, and I said it - it doesn't matter. My response is still the same. =)

The multiple dogpiles on unity100 come to mind...

I've been here over 3 years, and I have witnessed some nasty behavior directed at several of our members. Never did I ever think any of them were actually STS. It was just their issues coming out. How is this any different? Why is this relatively new member being branded? Why is there so much suspicion?

I said that his methods are questionable and are the same methods that STS entites use when trying to spread their message. With that being said, I also added that I do not regard Shin'Ar as being STS.

If it turns out they are in fact STS, then they will tire of the game, and go somewhere else to find something to eat. But giving them undue attention, suspicion, anger, annoyance, fear, or even fascination, will surely keep them sniffing around, looking for that tasty morsel.

Agreed. That is why we have to learn our own lessons.

The dialogue between me and Zaxon was very respectful, and reached a mutual understanding.

Precisely my point. And this is the person who claims to be STS? What do you make of that?

What do I make of it? It doesn't matter to me, as my response is the same towards him as other members.

The dialogue with Shin'Ar resulted in him trying to trap members of this forum, throwing accusations and judgements in my and other's way.

Exactly. How often have we all encountered "accusations and judgments" with other forum members, dear friends, and family members? How many times has the worst in all of us come out?

Other forum members - never of this kind.
Dear friends - maybe in the teens, and I say *maybe* because I might not remember.
Family - well, I do have a family member who is special, so I've heard a lot.

Whereas, a truly STS entity might be so slick that we may erroneously think they are benign, because they don't trigger any ripples in our lives...yet.

They might be so slick that they gain our trust. We can't always go by what we see on the surface.

What, then, do we do?

We just continue to radiate love, regardless.

Yup. That's pretty much it!

Our own impression of Shin'Ar doesn't validate or negate anything s/he has to say. There may be valid points made by him/her. I am suggesting that it might be more fruitful to consider his/her viewpoints on their own merit, with no regard for his/her personality flaws.

Like you said about HH: Consider the message, even if we don't like the messenger.

Absolutely!

The problem with applying this to HH, though, is that HH is a self-professed negative entity. What, then, is the purpose of claiming to be STS?

Which brings us back full circle to Shin'Ar's concerns...

The purpose is to serve the self. The methods that they use to serve it is to enslave, control, deceive, confuse, dominate, lie, impose their own truth etc.

Shin'Ar used some of the above mentioned methods. And as far as I have seen none of the other members used that tactic back.

As long as they aren't any danger, then sure. But what about what happened to Carla? She was being threatened. It was a very real threat. I don't think there's anything wrong with protecting oneself, and desiring that the STS entity leave.

I know! As I said, the Law of One is an advanced study, and that study says that all is love/light, light/love. Whatever ugliness you see - it is love/light. And I am not saying it being in some kind of romantic state of mind, or walking on fluffy clouds. I am very serious. I understand and see all that you understand and see. And I've seen and heard a lot of ugliness, Monica. And yet, it has to somehow be incorporated in that light/love, or the One Infinite Creator concept. I am struggling myself, Monica.

[Monica]

Shin'Ar used some of the above mentioned methods. And as far as I have seen none of the other members used that tactic back.

I disagree, but there's no point in digging up old stuff so I'll leave it at that.

I'm glad we agree on many points, but my main point seems to have been missed.

I have nothing further to add at this time.

Tenet, regarding the guidelines, I'm sure Gary will respond to your post. Please keep in mind that the mods may be taking action behind the scenes, that the community isn't aware of. Gary is diligent and has utmost integrity in his efforts to enforce the guidelines fairly.

[Ankh]

Shin'Ar used some of the above mentioned methods. And as far as I have seen none of the other members used that tactic back.

I disagree, but there's no point in digging up old stuff so I'll leave it at that.

Did someone lie, deceive and impose?

I'm glad we agree on many points, but my main point seems to have been missed.

I am sorry for missing the main point. What was your main point?

[Monica]

I am sorry for missing the main point. What was your main point?

That's ok.

[Tenet Nosce]

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It doesn't change my main points, though.

The main point- as I see it- is that attempting to use lies, deception, manipulation, accusations, threats, warnings, admonitions, and fear, in order to "help" others is to doom one's well-intentioned, but misguided, effort to failure.

Yet- what do I know? The majority of earth's population seems to favor the notion of using fear-based tactics in order to "do good". Maybe they're all right, and I am wrong. "Majority rules" you know.

[Monica]

The main point- as I see it- is that attempting to use lies, deception, manipulation, accusations, threats, warnings, admonitions, and fear, in order to "help" others is to doom one's well-intentioned, but misguided, effort to failure.

Most assuredly.

Beyond this- to do these things while claiming to be putting out "love and light" or claiming to be some sort of enlightened or awakened being... well that's just totally absurd in my book.

Well, many here claim to be loving, and claim to be from this or that density, so Shin'Ar isn't alone in that respect.

Incidentally, several other members had expressed similar concerns to me over the past few months, though in a less dramatic way. This is probably why I was able to see some validity in some of Shin'Ar's concerns. Others had the same concerns.

When I hear of the same concerns from multiple people, I tend to pay attention to it. The delivery of said concerns is secondary and seems to be what's being focused on here. Shin'Ar is the only one who voiced those concerns publicly, and chose a way to do that, that wasn't effective.

For the record, Shin'Ar also isn't the only one to say that others were STS, nor the only one to proselytize or try to 'warn' the community.

My suggestion to everyone is to not let it get you butthurt.

(haha, couldn't resist, Tenet!)

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Shin'Ar once called me a Son of Belial and an enemy of his teachings, so I presume that to mean the same as STS.

OK now THAT's not nice. Shin'Ar???

[Tenet Nosce]

When I hear of the same concerns from multiple people, I tend to pay attention to it. The delivery of said concerns is secondary and seems to be what's being focused on here. Shin'Ar is the only one who voiced those concerns publicly, and chose a way to do that, that wasn't effective.

You're such a softie! I bet you allow the cats sleep in the bed, too!

But seriously, you are right- if multiple people are voicing similar concerns about something then there is good reason to pay attention. But I don't have any beef with that- it is labeling "the majority" of Bring4th members as "STS" I am talking about.

For the record, Shin'Ar also isn't the only one to say that others were STS, nor the only one to proselytize or try to 'warn' the community.

Certainly not. Though, as far as I am aware, this is the first time that anybody has made the claim that "the majority" of us here are "STS". Again, correct me if I'm wrong!

My suggestion to everyone is to not let it get you butthurt.

Agreed. And I'm not butthurt over it. I just wonder- what would one expect from such commentary? It is kind of like walking into a household uninvited, declaring the whole family to be the scum of the earth, and then sitting down at the table expecting somebody to serve you dinner with a smile.

(haha, couldn't resist, Tenet!)

[3DMonkey]

There isn't a single "STS Being" on this forum

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There are entities plenty, but no beings.

[Monica]

You're such a softie! I bet you allow the cats sleep in the bed, too!

Well I did until I got married!

But seriously, you are right- if multiple people are voicing similar concerns about something then there is good reason to pay attention. But I don't have any beef with that- it is labeling "the majority" of Bring4th members as "STS" I am talking about.

Well I think he said 'in this thread' just to be accurate. Unless there were others...?

Certainly not. Though, as far as I am aware, this is the first time that anybody has made the claim that "the majority" of us here are "STS". Again, correct me if I'm wrong!

Nope, you're totally right about that.

Agreed. And I'm not butthurt over it. I just wonder- what would one expect from such commentary? It is kind of like walking into a household uninvited, declaring the whole family to be the scum of the earth, and then sitting down at the table expecting somebody to serve you dinner with a smile.

Gosh, I really did miss a lot. Did it start out that way, or did that happen later, after the concerns were rejected?

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And Tenet, where do you find these things?

[Tenet Nosce]

Well I think he said 'in this thread' just to be accurate. Unless there were others...?

Nope- the quotes I provided were from three different threads. One of them specifically refers to people "in this forum".

Gosh, I really did miss a lot. Did it start out that way, or did that happen later, after the concerns were rejected?

I'm probably not the best person to ask about that. I've only been privy to this issue for the last few weeks or so. But based on what I've read from going back and reading Shin'Ar's first posts on Bring4th it appears have originated in the thread Who is it that seeks me?

And Tenet, where do you find these things?

... also how I learned how to "magically" turn up highly relevant quotes from the transcripts with minimal effort!

[BrownEye]

My suggestion to everyone is to not let it get you butthurt.

(haha, couldn't resist, Tenet!)

He keeps hemp oil around just in case.

Say, do sts come together in unity for common causes?