What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[irpsit]

I have always had a strong intuition.
And on 2012, my intuition is clear: we will not see anything extraordinary happening, and the physical world continues in 2013.

I have had dreams about it too. The physical world is still there after 2012, but becomes slowly "different" to sensitive people like us.

I think the transition to 4D is real, and is a gradual process, but 4D co-exists in another plane, we still remain in 3D, and we must die to ascend to 4D. These things are fate, the workings of a cosmic clock.

Another thing is (my intuition again, and my astrology) is that we are due into a huge historical period of great changes and transformation, dramatic (certainly caused by this subtle change) but not the end of world.

Humans are always fascinated with the idea of spiritual ascension. And that is good, it is our yearning for the soul / spiritual world.

My gut feeling said, I will be actually joining spiritual celebrations on 2012, that's a way to go!

[Liet]

I saw the thread "does this feel like your last year on earth" and thought of my answer (no, but the harvest is peaking this year, yes (i was thinking of this summer, not winter)) for a while and carried on with my day...

An hour later i chose to open the calendar for no apparent reason, i held down the "right key" and shut my eyes for an undetermined timespan (something i had neeever even thought about doing before. I thought it was a fun, random thing to do. I like recieveing random numers and find meaning in them) and then released the key and saw what it had stopped on .... 22dec 2012...

Coincident or not, you decide.

[anagogy]

My intuition, which has been supplemented by the Law of One material and intense study of transcripts derived from a plethora of subjects regressed to the in-between incarnations state via hypnosis, has indicated to me that it will be a gradual transition from 3rd density to 4th density. 2012 just marks the full exposure of the planet to the spectrum of 4th density vibrations. This will begin to quicken the rate at which the planet is electromagnetically realigned to that vibrational spectrum of consciousness. It is my understanding that the transition times given by Ra indicating a span of time between 100 and 700 years is for the ENTIRE planetary transition of 3rd density deactivation and 4th density activation. That is to say, not everyone will be following that time table. That is just the time frame for the whole planetary transition to complete itself. Obviously, many souls won't be going on to 4th density. They will reincarnate on other planets still undergoing 3rd density lessons.

We will most certainly feel the affects of this transition in our lifetimes. One thing I have not been able to reconcile with the Ra material is Ra's assertion that one must die to 3rd density to transition to 4th density. My investigation via past life/inbetween life regression has indicated it is possible to transition to 4th density without physically dying. To be fair, even if one were to raise the vibrations of their body and "take it with them" so to speak, into fourth density, this may constitute by some definition (Ra's for example) a form of "dying", though many would not consider it such. If that is the case, then there is nothing for me to disagree with in the Ra material. I just know I've investigated several past life regressions where a group of people were able to physically ascend to fourth density, taking their bodies with them, and transforming them to be compatible with the vibrations of that density.

So the scenario, as I understand and see it, is it will be like slowly changing the dial on a radio station. There will be some "static" as this occurs. However, once you reach the requisite cycles per second to be in fourth density, you would no longer be visible to 3rd density. Thus, many people might actually disappear in the coming years as they reach that requisite state of light activation to ascend to fourth density. Some people will simply die, and reincarnate in fourth density bodies. This would be the path of least resistance for those souls.

No transition is better or worse. It is simply whatever is more apropos for the indvidual soul. Prior to transition, our diets will most likely change. You will have some people who will stop even needing food. There are people like this that exist now. Most will transition to a mostly all liquid diet, prior to the transition, as we begin to release the density of baser physicality. Psychic abilities will become far more pronounced.

[irpsit]

My friend,

I can share what do I understand as "one must die to transition from 3d to 4d".

Actually it makes sense, because Ra also said that 3d and 4d bodies are incompatible due to their different energetic make up.

One cannot transform his 3D body into 4D body. No, the 3D must be removed and when it does, you die. How simple that is.

An analogy: Can we ascend from physical to astral plane? No, we do not, we already exist in both sides. We simply disengage our consciousness from physical body into astral body. If we do it permanently, we died.

Both bodies exist simultaneously in separate planes. You just switch our awareness between the two planes, with a small black-out in between (falling asleep, death or near death experience or astral projection). As if the other plane did not exist, unless you wake up on it! Or project onto it.

That said, 4D and 3D are separate realms. And according to Ra we simply cannot switch to the other side. We must be ready for it (harvest) and we must die for that transition.

But that is just my small understanding of it.

2012 just marks the full exposure of the planet to the spectrum of 4th density vibrations.

It is my understanding that the transition times given by Ra indicating a span of time between 100 and 700 years is for the ENTIRE planetary transition of 3rd density deactivation and 4th density activation. We will most certainly feel the affects of this transition in our lifetimes.

One thing I have not been able to reconcile with the Ra material is Ra's assertion that one must die to 3rd density to transition to 4th density.

[Oceania]

i'm a hopeful gradualist. i don't want suddenly to hear everyone's thoughts.

My thoughts aren't really that bad. I'm actually pretty excited to be alive.

gimme your thoughts.

[51/49]

i'm a hopeful gradualist. i don't want suddenly to hear everyone's thoughts.

ermmmm .. as for my thoughts ? ...i feel it might possibly be a set date, though gradual is just as possible .. maybe it is down to us? *shrug* .. either way , i am not really bothered by the idea of either.

as for what happens during/after harvest ... that is another story .

[zenmaster]

One cannot transform his 3D body into 4D body.

Waiting for DW to produce an excuse for this to make his prognostications less embarrassing.

[51/49]

entertaining , well put together video on the subject

[anagogy]

My friend,

I can share what do I understand as "one must die to transition from 3d to 4d".

Actually it makes sense, because Ra also said that 3d and 4d bodies are incompatible due to their different energetic make up.

One cannot transform his 3D body into 4D body. No, the 3D must be removed and when it does, you die. How simple that is.

An analogy: Can we ascend from physical to astral plane? No, we do not, we already exist in both sides. We simply disengage our consciousness from physical body into astral body. If we do it permanently, we died.

Both bodies exist simultaneously in separate planes. You just switch our awareness between the two planes, with a small black-out in between (falling asleep, death or near death experience or astral projection). As if the other plane did not exist, unless you wake up on it! Or project onto it.

That said, 4D and 3D are separate realms. And according to Ra we simply cannot switch to the other side. We must be ready for it (harvest) and we must die for that transition.

But that is just my small understanding of it.

Hi irpsit,

Yes, I understand what the Ra material says about the necessity of dying to 3rd density to enter 4th density. I also understand that 3D and 4D are separate realms. And yes, you do exist at all levels simultaneously in time/space. However, space/time is another story in my humble opinion. Just as you do not always exist in 3rd density physically, yet always have the body in time/space potentiation, you do not necessarily currently have a physical body in 4th density. There is a difference between the 4th density time/space light body and the space/time 4th density body. One is always manifest, the other is only manifest while incarnate there (much like here in 3rd density).

And if I was going solely off the Ra material I would probably agree with you almost completely, however, a great deal of the information I've investigated is not solely from the Ra material, but also includes hundreds of hypnotic regressions into past lives (and other channeled sources). I think the truth is like a mosaic, and I think it is a mistake to look for it all in one place. Not all channeled material is right, as I'm sure you are well aware. There are always anomalies that occur in any transmission or translation. Density to density transmission is QUITE the conversion, you know?

And so, when I say it is not necessary to physically "die", in the way we would normally think of it, to enter 4th density, I say that based on that research. I've investigated past life regressions where different groups of people on ancient Earth were able to simply raise the vibrations of their body and transition to what Ra calls fourth density. I have also investigated past life regressions where various individuals were able to raise their bodies up until they were pure energy, or nonphysical, as it were.

I recall one in particular where, when the subject was regressed into a superconscious state, between lives, from the spirit state and was asked what he was supposed to accomplish in his current incarnation (that is to say, the human personality that had gone to have a past life regression) he said, "Gotta be able to raise a body into the 4th dimension". There are other, similar accounts, and I am paraphrasing here. But it was made very clear, they were taking their physical bodies with them. It is also possible to "descend" back to 3rd density, which you see with alien close encounters and phenomena of that ilk. They temporarily inhabit our density, and then "go back" to their native density. Some of them have technology that helps facilitate this process.

Now, none of this is "necessary", but it *IS* possible, based on the evidence I've seen.

In any discussion where it is discussed what is "possible" and what is "not possible" I like to point out that nothing is impossible for the creator, and as Ra says, "In each infinitesimal part of your self resides the One in all of Its power."

Nothing is impossible, my friend.

[Sagittarius]

It will be gradual. Many of us especially the young ones will find there purpose. We where born to be leaders, this whole phase of our life up until 21/12 was preparation. Once 3rd density ends on 21/12 our abilities will be unlocked and our guidance we give will be more significant.

Watch the young misfits of this generation turn the world upside down.

[Lulu]

my gut feeling, has been, since before I knew the term harvest and still is that there is something being presented as a positive experience and something to achieve towards but that it is a foolish pull into yet another matrix and forms of a control system.

Take for example this Q & A which happened brilliantly in error by the questioner.

16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct? (the questioner later corrects the question, but first Ra answers it below).

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Do you want to go to a place of confusion and where there can be no understanding. I have been there and let me tell you it sucks. You will be amazed at what all is there because it is shared with 1st/2nd. For example you will get to see black ops heli's flying over you.

It is as if "the harvest" is an attempt to steer those who are willing by playing on their heart. The are steered right into STO as to take those, yet again into another realm of lack of power. The handful of STS based entities will be the controllers from the hidden realm, yet again. And the "excuse" will always be that in the end it serves the Creator. Hitler not excluded.

The concepts of STO and STS are themselves in lower densities. These are part of the process to hook you into One or the Other.

I'm basing much of this judgement because of both the knowledge gained from my pursuit of understanding what happened to me as well as from my personal experiences. The growth and evolution in myself was a by-product from survival not the said goal for a harvest. The harvest was the lower place I was dragged into that I crawled out of.

I didn't just "attract" a negative entity for personal growth. There was much more going on and they were deliberate intentions to delete my WILL.

I will not be joining you in the great harvest. I have no interest in being in the 4D without a yellow ray. To me the solar-plexus chakra is all ABOUT WILL. This is not going to be a place you will want to go unless you now do NEED to seek empowerment because you have not yet choosen to find it for yourself as you still believe that serving others is what LOVE is. This is "how" you will LOSE your WILL.

In my opinion this is the plan of once again, those a step ahead. These beings are brilliant and their powers of influence are heavy, there powers of manipulation as easy for them as mowing the grass.

Take into consideration the suggestive idea of being with 1st, 2nd D'ers too. Does that really sound like fun to you, if you have no will??

Yes you will learn to regain your WILL be it through torture and harm, perhaps you too will get to be a gladiator in a new colosseum. Will you fight for love of self or will you lie down and die for love of others.

Now is the time to find your love of self. In serving your self IN LOVE you naturally WILL serve others IN love. The STS in it's distortion and lower densities serves itself but not in love. It serves itself to compensate for it's self-loathing and pursues in judgements of self and therefore others.

Here is a video that could be of interest.

http://youtu.be/fL6OsY_xyu8
Lulu

[Parsons]

This explains a lot, Lulu... I tried to watch your video but it is so full of fear I could only make it to about 4 minutes in.

After considering channeled material for quite a length of time, it all seems to make "sense" to me and everything fits together into a cohesive system that makes sense. From what I heard from that video, the picture of what the universe is does NOT make sense to me. If there are "evil" manipulators in control, and the positive channeling are all completely bogus in that they are lulling us into a false sense of security, it creates a picture of the universe that does NOT make sense to me. If they are the "bad guys" also, then where are the good guys? And if there are no "good guys", whats stopping them from just coming in and taking over?

Based on what I've seen of this world more recently, I realized that this world is clearly not going to sustainable for life if we continue even a few hundred more years this way. We have over 7 billion people here now, and that number will continue to skyrocket if nothing changes. If all there is is "bad people" out there that want a system like this, then how did they even manage to get here without killing each other? There has to be some system that doesn't tear itself apart in place out there beyond the rules of this planet, or there simply wouldnt be any interaction from ET's in the first place.

No, I'm afraid that when I first started reading through channeled material and it resonated with me, I predicted (to myself) that there would HAVE to be some direct effort to discredit it. This is either that or someone who is going to end up becoming so fearful of EVERYONE they will end up in late 2nd density, like the big foot's from Maldek working through their fear.

[Lulu]

Hi DuncanIdaho,

I understand what you are saying, it can feel like fear. Lets see if I can approach that.

I perceive the video as discovery and awareness. The blonde could be me speaking because that is how I respond to things "hmmm something doesn't feel right". It's my LACK of Fear that allows my discernment to lead to uncovering flaws and deception.

Take 911 as an example. Most folks on these types of forums KNOW that it's been portrayed quite differently then it is. This false portrayal then allowed the fear to be directed to supporting a hidden agenda. Those that bought into the story in fear felt empowered by the "war on terrorism". So it serves them in their own shadows, weakening them behind the scenes as they think they are stronger the masses have again lost more liberties/freedoms and rights.

In the opposite way those who knew that 911 wasn't what it was portrayed, have been uncovering more and more deception of our world and beyond. They are not warring --they are uncovering. Just as the girls in the video are...

Those who DO NOT want to see the truth, are those who are IN Fear. Deep into their subconcious they are feeling "if that is not true, then my entire world as I know it may be shattered and that scares me, what will happen to me?". This is a general response by most people who are also therefore programmable, manipulatable and can be used for hidden agenda's they would never otherwise participate in.

Every being that has ever LIVED still exists IN other realms or densities/dimensions/worlds. There are some pretty dark spirits who are very active....
They can interact and influence us.

Just to clarify, there are also billions of spirits who inspire us and are assistants in attracting all of our desires, and creations. Of course our desires be it intentional or not will be as we "think" them and so attracts them. We attract them through the universal laws.

So if we know there is an agenda that we do not agree with we can then use our power more deliberately and ASK for change or the difference in that. This is the value in KNOWING the truth. Denial will simply get us more external desires such as security which also comes with that bondage.

We must see the truth and then ASK for the change. If we are in fear we are asking for that what we fear. Again this is where most dip back into the safety of denial, thus allowing more "security/control".

It's important to understand there is no death. This has kept people in the greatest fear and stagnancy they are willing to let others die for their perceived securities in the denial state.

Because most do not really understand that they are multi-dimensional beings and how this works, we are easily influenced and WAY more susceptible then we would otherwise be.

Through the gaps in our auric field due to our emotional injuries these beings can influence us. When we face our shadows in self-acceptance/self-love the gaps close and they can no longer influence us. The way to rid yourself of these beings should they come is to say: I accept that I am _________fill in all the words of what you are that you have not accepted. Don't exorcise them away, worse will come.

Be willing to follow your heart when you are bribed by spirits rather then gloat in glory or perceived success. Be MOST willing to FEEL your EMOTIONS. For all when angry, are posturing behind the emotions of unlove/unworthy this is where the darkest shadows lie.

Have you ever noticed how quickly an elected politician becomes an a****** once in office? This is not necessarily because he already WAS one, but he was "selected" due to the likely possibilities of being able to control him for an agenda. Hitler was created/programmed and possessed by those "hidden" with an agenda, but not until he was until full power.

Those who are a threat to the agendas are assassinated. This is often done by creating "crazy people" or using those who can be under heavy influence of dark-spirit. Crazies are created to be possessed and then used or often to be silenced! They have emotional injuries or have been made crazy for this purpose. I could have been one of them had I not been able to re-cover my "self". I had been dissolved of every identity and attempted at reprogramming. JFK is an example where possession is indicated by the fact that the one who killed him "remembers nothing". When people are temporarily possesed they do things and "don't remember".

In the case of politicians, once elected the dark beings who already supported in getting him/her elected, now can take control. "Beings of Love" do not possess others, so we don't have the hidden power in the same way.

Another thought is to consider how near entire populations in whole countries can become manipulated for otherwise obvious horrific agendas. Think WWII Germany. The influence is from the other densities and then happens HERE. Why were they so manipulatable? Surely they should know killing Jews and others "isn't cool" yet the LEADER who is possessed and controlled also has a minion of spirit-army that INFLUENCES the a manipulatable population. There are gaps because of old fears in the phyche that have not yet been faced. Shadows of Security and Unworthiness in that case. And how does an entire population of Jews become victim. When we stay in denial we cannot hear the guidence to "get out of town". But again, security/unworthiness... reflected it with the others.

I'm trying to bring awareness that it's WORTH doing your shadow facing. Without the WILL --you are and will be manipulatable and weak. If you choose to feel guilty for being Not Loving then you are missing that shadow right there. I accept that I am _______ (selfish)! Fill ijn the blanks. Can you stand to do that??

I continue to study everything I am drawn to, I never stop and say AHA this the answer! this is it! Because behind everything is both truth and untruth, dark and light. If you find a sense of "relief" then you are still on path, but only use it until it is no longer high-enough and then search on and continue forward, keep going higher. Never stop asking.

Lulu

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After considering channeled material for quite a length of time, it all seems to make "sense" to me and everything fits together into a cohesive system that makes sense. From what I heard from that video, the picture of what the universe is does NOT make sense to me. If there are "evil" manipulators in control, and the positive channeling are all completely bogus in that they are lulling us into a false sense of security, it creates a picture of the universe that does NOT make sense to me. If they are the "bad guys" also, then where are the good guys? And if there are no "good guys", whats stopping them from just coming in and taking over?

I hear you. I notice that there are huge differences in channeled material and entities. What resonates with you and feels like relief is indicative of where you are at "at the time". As you shift what once was relief must now be found again elsewhere as you evolve.

IMO Translators should not be feeling drained or in pain during sessions. To me that is one indication that Ra may be a little more negative then what seems. I'm not saying there isn't valuable information in there, but always there IS an agenda. Good or Evil... and both within.

In duality realms there ARE both good guys and bad guys. And that construct of the universe is there to be played in. When you drift above that you get a glimpse of the realization that both have agendas and neither is often about empowerment. Good guys are "rescuers/martyrs" like angels, jesus etc. Bad guys -well we know what they are, they are often cloaked as "good guys".

Those who wish to empower others are what I reach for. And for me to empower others is what I in turn reach for if I'm playing in this space this way. Knowledge is one gift towards empowerment. This is why knowledge can be misused as well. Text books included... ;-)

Lulu

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http://www.healing-journeys-energy.com/C...z1pnejQpIh

Link above for Yellow Ray....
Note what the symptoms of deficiency are. (4D).

[Parsons]

Just as the girls in the video are...

I was curious to see if you might be influenced by the passive manipulation that I observed in this video, and you just confirmed it with that statement. They are 2 electronic female voices superimposed to 2 obviously electronic computer animations to be having a CONVERSATION. But they are NOT having a conversation, it is the same person (guessing a dude) orchestrating the dialog. This is to avoid it sounding like 1 person preaching to you their opinion, which is what that is.

I have noticed that it seems like that channelings of 5th density entities seem to not require any "battery juice" that Ive seen or heard of, while channelings of mid 6th density entities seem to require enough energy to drain the entity of that particular energy in the transmission / receiving of the material. This would make sense to me since it seems like since 6th density is further along than 5th, so it would make sense to me to require more energy(effort) to transmit. The only pain that I'm aware of that was mentioned was due to amplification by a particular 5th density negative entity that was drawn to the contact like a moth to a flame. The questioner inquired about it several times, and I thought the whole account of the situation made sense.

[Lulu]

Hi Duncan,
ya, the conversation and digitalness it's rather odd I know what you are saying. Probably the creator of the video struggled with the technical aspects and perhaps he didn't have enough resources (including women ;-). Yes, agreed it's smart not to preach at people I think "he" was aware that it's better to show the general hooked belief (dark haired girl) and then the opposing female who senses it's not right. Using a female to represent something that seems possible yet can't yet be determined with information is a good choice imo.

Tossing out "RA" because of a video I don't suggest. I'm just sayin' every body has AGENDAS. The dark cloaks in light except amongst it's own kind. Always knowing that. If a UFO showed up with many beautiful beings and promises of a replicator and peace and love, would you climb aboard upon invitation? How would you determine if something was what it seems?

The humans that I know that I've witnessed channelings that are in 6th come away WITH juice; some seem almost orgasmic when they come out of it. For me if I get into that state my teeth buzz and I feel ephoric after, never drained.

Thanks for pointing out the complaint is limited, I don't mean to judge Ra on that I don't have enough information.

I don't know that much about any of Ra's teachings. Where is the moth to flame reading, do you know??

I do very much enjoy reading through the Ra channelings what little I have come through. I think I read somewhere it has been mentioned that there is sabotage from darker realm to his material (?). That in itself indicates it's in a lower duality density.

[Parsons]

No, there as far as I know there were no know instances of tampering with the contact.

I tried to find the quote about the moth to flame analogy. It wasn't verbatim what they said... It was more generic like "the nature of this contact can be likened to radiating a bright light that these negative entities are attracted to so they can offer their services as well " or something like that. It was generic so searching for keywords is difficult.

If you have a slowish reading speed (like me, for instance), might I suggest you listen to the higher quality audio of the Ra Material on YouTube (the one with the male Britt voice). I will add a link later when I'm not on an iDevice.

[Lulu]

great Duncan, I'll look fwd to it. I can didn't realize there were any audio's.
thanks,
Lulu

[native]

LuLu, you may be referring to this thread.. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3231

While the contact overall was excellent, I personally believe there are flaws which should be expected.

[Parsons]

Here is the link for the Ra sessions on audio, apologies for the delay. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4...e=view_all

[Lulu]

Here is the link for the Ra sessions on audio, apologies for the delay. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4...e=view_all

thanks D,
will have a listen too!
Lulu

[Patrick]

...becoming so fearful of EVERYONE they will end up in late 2nd density, like the big foot's from Maldek working through their fear.

Hey I'm from Maldek!

Maldek -> Mars -> Earth.

Should make it this time. Third time's the charm!

PS: Or we'll just trash a third planet. But somehow, I feel this time we are going to get it right.

[Parsons]

Yes, I really feel like they won't let us trash another planet. I am starting to wonder if we are even trashing a real world, but truly just an illusion.

[Aureus]

Lulu has a good point. One would do well in working on the lower chakras to reinforce the "firewall" against negative thought-forms. I think an appropriate exercise would be to strive for a totally neutral/positive internal state, meaning that through practice being able to build up such a resistance that nothing will get you down.

This in combination with losing the fear of death will make you invincible. You will become a rock that people can cling onto in chaotic times.

Now this is no easy thing to do of course, and will not happen overnight.

[AnthroHeart]

You're right Wander. It's difficult to become that rock. Even I haven't gotten over my fear of death, though I have thought about it quite extensively in the recent past. Strange because I am healthy, and no signs of anything that would lead to death. But I often thought about accidents and such happening to me.

In my world it hasn't been that chaotic. It's actually been quite grounding.