What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

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What about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo

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[gharghur]

Good vibrations it is =)
From a distance the fourth density bodily life form is not much different than our own.
However, the closer you get the more transparent they appear.
We of 3D coexist with 2D and 1D entities.
When the fully 4D's start to arrive they will coexist with the three lesser densities too, for a while.

[Rolci]

Hi everyone. I have done some reading in this topic but I couldn't find a view on what I am looking for. I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Cosmic Awareness channelings. Maybe those of you who do could help me out as there are a few issues in the material ( http://cosmicawareness.org/2012.pdf at http://www.cosmicawareness.org/ )

Talking about dimensions instead of densities and using the word in a sightly different meaning is one thing. But It also states that the Earth is going to divide into 2 spheres (not phycically of course) and what it calls planet A will be home of the ascended ones, about one eighth will be moving onto planet B which will be ruled by the elite and there will be no spiritualism etc. and the rest dies and decides where to incarnate next.

This is all new to me but what I mostly don't understand is how so many people can ascend by simply "wanting to do the right thing", wanting to be good, wanting to evolve spiritually. I thought the criterion for harvest is not the intention but the intention followed by action repeatedly, followed by the result, which is balanced energy centres and a life devoted to serving others, all of which would be indicated by the balanced violet ray centre. Or as Gary explained to me in an email, "harvestability is a measure of an entity’s ability to allow love/light, light/love through their energy system."

So as you can see I am in a bit of a confusion here and seek your view on the matter. Also the material mentions that a part of the 4th dimension is the so-called purgatory and most of the ones to ascend will ascend to the higher levels of 5th and lower 5th dimension which does not make much sense to me as I'm used to talking about densities and as far as I know those who ascend move on to 4th density and cannot experience 5th until they are graduated from 4th by acquiring compassion appropriately. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

off: I downloaded from this site the 101: the Choice, but it is only chapter 5 and the table of contents indicates that it is a whole book. Anyone know where I can find the whole book?

[Monica]

I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Cosmic Awareness channelings. Maybe those of you who do could help me out as there are a few issues in the material

Hi Rolci! Info from other channeled sources is generally considered off-topic here on this forum. If anyone would like to discuss that channeled source, they can connect via email or pm and discuss it elsewhere.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation! Forum guidelines can be viewed here.

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off: I downloaded from this site the 101: the Choice, but it is only chapter 5 and the table of contents indicates that it is a whole book. Anyone know where I can find the whole book?

Sure! Click on the Store button at the top of the forum, then click on Books.

[Monica]

I believe we are witness at this moment to the retreat of the negative power elite....They are on their negative timeline.
We are on the positive 4D Terra timeline.

That's exactly what I've concluded. They seem to be resolutely manifesting their own reality, coexisting with us at the present time, yet on a different track.

[gharghur]

I believe we are witness at this moment to the retreat of the negative power elite....They are on their negative timeline.
We are on the positive 4D Terra timeline.

That's exactly what I've concluded. They seem to be resolutely manifesting their own reality, coexisting with us at the present time, yet on a different track.

May I ask why you have drawn this conclusion?

[Rolci]

Thanks Monica... I believe what I was trying to have a discussion about was strictly to do with the harvest. And thank you for advising to try email. By the way I did try that first, this was Gary's response:
"I am not personally familiar with the Cosmic Awareness information, but based upon what you have shared below, I do not believe I would personally enjoy the material. ... In the future you might want to try taking your questions to our forums on our sister website, Bring4th.org http://www.bring4th.org/forums/. There you will find a very loving community of like-minded spiritual seekers..."
So you see my problem. Could you maybe redirect me to somewhere else where open-minded people familiar with the Law of One would be willing to discuss topics of a spiritual nature and the harvest where I would be allowed to quote sources other than Confederation for comparison and discussion? I would really appreciate that. Nice website, good job, an adequate way to convey and deliver your messages and philosophy. Thanks.

[Bring4th_Steve]

Ghargur,

I will give Monica the chance to answer your question, but since I agree with her and Ashim, I thought I would volunteer a perspective as to "why", in case you might be interested.

The reason why many feel the negative elite are creating a new reality for themselves is because that's precisely what happens whether one chooses to serve the light or not to. We take action in our life that mirrors our inner feelings and desires. And these thoughts and actions manifest a very physical thought form that essentially begins to attract people, places and things into one's life that reflects and mirrors the inner feelings. Much of this is already well established through the concept of "manifesting", or more precisely, "The Law of Attraction".

As in the case of the negative elite, they are in an uncomfortable situation because their landscape/reality is changing. As 4th density is washing upon us, the baseline vibration of this planet is also increasing. This is bad news for the neg elite, since their interests are clearly to serve the self, which is the complete opposite of the loving energy coming in.

Therefore, when a STS entity "goes against the tide", their reality begins to change to reflect this instreaming of energy. And as they push ever more to reject the incoming love, they further expend energy to maintain the self-serving environment that they prefer. And much like a candle that will extinguish itself due to a lack of oxygen to burn, The neg elite are finding they, too, are also being snuffed as the people and events around them are beginning to shift into a more love-based perspective, which challenges them to the core of their being.

To paraphrase Ra, these individuals will continue to withstand the loving change of vibrations until they no longer can do it, or their environment forces them to change into something they are not. At that time, the soul may choose to leave the incarnation in whatever way it wishes to and repeat the 3rd density experience on another sphere that offers the chance to see that Love is the answer to everything.

I believe what Monica and Ashim are expressing in this case is that the negative elite are now at that point of getting snuffed, and they are working hard to continue maintaining an illusion that will soon no longer support them. So in this fashion, they are creating a reality that will soon cause them to leave this planet for another one where they can continue their STS experiences or lessons of Love.

Steve

I believe we are witness at this moment to the retreat of the negative power elite....They are on their negative timeline.
We are on the positive 4D Terra timeline.

That's exactly what I've concluded. They seem to be resolutely manifesting their own reality, coexisting with us at the present time, yet on a different track.

May I ask why you have drawn this conclusion?

[Steppingfeet]

Thanks Monica... I believe what I was trying to have a discussion about was strictly to do with the harvest. And thank you for advising to try email. By the way I did try that first, this was Gary's response:
"I am not personally familiar with the Cosmic Awareness information, but based upon what you have shared below, I do not believe I would personally enjoy the material. ... In the future you might want to try taking your questions to our forums on our sister website, Bring4th.org http://www.bring4th.org/forums/. There you will find a very loving community of like-minded spiritual seekers..."

So you see my problem. Could you maybe redirect me to somewhere else where open-minded people familiar with the Law of One would be willing to discuss topics of a spiritual nature and the harvest where I would be allowed to quote sources other than Confederation for comparison and discussion? I would really appreciate that. Nice website, good job, an adequate way to convey and deliver your messages and philosophy. Thanks.

Hello Rolci,

I apologize that I was not able to offer the analysis of the Cosmic Awareness material that you were seeking. I did offer some basic principles for exercising discernment and comparing different works from channeled sources, but otherwise hesitated to go into an analysis for the following reasons:

a) I'm not familiar enough with the material to give it a fair and balanced treatment.
b) I had spent the bulk of my time on the other portions of your email
c) I really cannot tell you the value and/or worth of the material - only you are able to determine this.

You say in your most recent post to this thread, "I believe what I was trying to have a discussion about was strictly to do with the harvest."

You are completely free to discuss the topic of harvest to whatever extent you would enjoy. : ) Monica is not requesting that you decline from speaking about harvest, rather Monica is asking that the thread not turn into a discussion about what another source of channeled information says about harvest.

One way to include information from other sources of information while simultaneously honoring the guidelines is to paraphrase a thought from another source and present it on its own merits to the group without quoting the source.

For instance you could ask the group, "Do you believe that the fourth density is a purgatory of sorts? I am considering this notion because ______ but I am not sure because _____." So on and so forth.

Also, about harvest and the process of ascension, the topic which you stated was your primary concern, I did offer a direct reply to your thoughts on this subject.

About your question concerning places where you can compare and contrast the Law of One against other sources with Law of One seekers, I am sorry but I am not aware of any except those that evolve between individuals.

Love/Light,
GLB

[Rolci]

Hello Gary. Nice avatar. Is it from The Fountain? Can you recommend any movies that are similar to that one? I was looking for some but couldn't find any. Sorry for being off-topic...

[gharghur]

Hi Steve,

The goal of the STS on this planet has been to turn Earth into a 4D negative planet. Over time they have infiltrated government, corporations, religion, education, charities, politics, etc. They have even rewritten history and withheld important truths from the masses. With these self-serving actions they have been quite successful in manipulating the masses into a mindset of general negativity. The reality they have created for themselves is also the current reality of the masses.
Recently they have been pushing their agenda forward quite aggressively. Sensing that time is of the essence, and that the public has been duped into a false sense of security. They have become careless in covering their tracks.
As this planet continues to increase in vibration, people are becoming more sensitive. They are generally not aware of what is going on, but they do sense that something is wrong. Those of the STO have been working dilligently to increase the positivity of the vibration, and to expose the negativity of the controlling STS for what it is. A mass deception of words versus deeds.
The transition from 3D to 4D is a non-polarity event. It raises the vibration of the star systems effected. On Earth, in particular, the compassionate sub-logi Sun is biasing the incoming energy in a positive fashion. The STS are trying to offset this positivity by keeping the masses in a negative mindset. They have been successful elsewhere. They will fail here because of the neutralizing efforts of the STO.
Individually, as we know individuality. The 3D-4D elevation is from making the choice, to learning more fully about that choice. This choice may be STO or STS. It's still a choice of love of the greater or the lesser, of the whole or of the perceived separation.
While in form we all create our own reality, knowingly or unknowingly. Clearly all these realities are false since we do not have the wisdom on this planet, or any other planet of 5th density or less.
Since most of us are STO we would like to see a normal transition from 3D positive to 4D positive. This harvest is still small, this is not normal. The future of this planet is not etched in stone. We still have three earth years to increase the crop. Our work is not over by any means.
namaste

[Monica]

Rolci, I have an answer to your question about the book order, but when I tried to reply to your pm, it said you have private messaging disabled. Please go into your profile and enable private messaging, and then I can send you the response.

What I can say now is that the amount you asked about was actual shipping costs + book price + $2 handling fee.

[AnthroHeart]

Wow, that is sweet. I do need to really step into the vibrations of my 4D body. I'm going to try that more. Thank you.

Hearing Q'uo speak of alternate timelines, in conjunction with a scientific explanation that made sense of such New Age ideas as those espoused in What the Bleep, helped me to take a grand leap of faith, and realize that I could choose to attune myself to the vibration of 4D, and, being a holographic being, the outer world would begin to reflect my vibration.

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Hmm, I never thought of it that way, but that could be so. After all, with no more 3D entities being incarnated at that time, we won't have those energies.

But doesn't the Ra material mention that even 4D can have battles, but more of the mind?

As to how it will manifest, I surmise that we won't really notice anything drastic, but will wake up one morning (maybe in 2012, maybe 10 or 20 years later) with the realization, that, hey, there are no wars anywhere on the planet...crime rate has dropped to virtually zero...green energy has replaced the toxic dumping on the planet...etc. That sort of thing.

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I haven't read the Seth books, but I am reading the Education of Oversoul Seven, part of the Oversoul Seven Trilogy. Is that similar to the Seth material?

If you are a Seth reader (by Jane Roberts), then you may have read Seth talking about this very topic. Seth was very definitive in explaining that yes, you will experience what you believe to occur when you die. The reason (as I recall), is to allow the emotional body to adjust to death and realize, in a tangible way, that it has occurred. It is also a specific event where guides and angels are part of the scene, to help the entity safely and comfortably recognize what has happened. This is because apparently there can be doubt in what is happening, especially if the entity did not feel it was prepared to leave.

[Plenum]

I'm still betting on a sudden flash of Light.

Solar Emanations.

[Meerie]

yes, "good vibrations", definitely.
By the way the word "gut" means "good" in german, so yes, my feeling is definitely "gut"

[AnthroHeart]

I really don't know. I'm feeling more compassionate, while I see a friend's family becoming more dis-harmonious.

[Diana]

I have long thought that nothing will happen particularly. However, what Carla has been saying on the subject makes sense to me, especially in light (pun intended) of what is going on around me. Paraphrasing: the sun's light is now 4D and that 4D light carries a lot more information, which will be difficult to live with if one hasn't cleared the old patterns and ways of thinking/living. With 4D light, we must learn to live in 4D or not.

I will echo what Gemini said for myself. I have recently felt that I was relaxing and feeling more compassionate. It's difficult to explain; almost as if I'm a bit more comfortable. This, while almost everyone around me is being barraged with catalyst.

[Ruth]

I have long thought that nothing will happen particularly. However, what Carla has been saying on the subject makes sense to me, especially in light (pun intended) of what is going on around me. Paraphrasing: the sun's light is now 4D and that 4D light carries a lot more information, which will be difficult to live with if one hasn't cleared the old patterns and ways of thinking/living. With 4D light, we must learn to live in 4D or not.

I will echo what Gemini said for myself. I have recently felt that I was relaxing and feeling more compassionate. It's difficult to explain; almost as if I'm a bit more comfortable. This, while almost everyone around me is being barraged with catalyst.

Thank you, Diana, for reminding us what Carla says. I have been feeling much the same as you, that I have been feeling more comfortable, especially in the sun. There was a time in recent years when I was not able to tolerate being outside in the sunshine much at all. Now I feel very comfortable basking in it!

[Gribbons]

The sun has been changing, I've seen the particles falling from the sky. Some believe it's my organic eyes cause this to happen due to its imperfection, but I'm not staring at the sun, and I first noticed them by accident, and have seen them every time I look when the sun's out.

Now, I watched all the Spirit Science videos today, and what he said made sense, with the 21st being the day the earth passes through an galactic axis, in which a pole shift happens along with a shift in consciousness. This happens during a void we pass through, where it is dark for 3 1/2 days. After these days, the sun will rise in the west, and it will be, as the mayans called it, the birth of the 5th sun.

just one theory amongst the myriad. i don't expect anything cataclysmic though, that isn't self-induced anyway (by the STS elite.) No nuclear explosions either. Thank God we got Sirians (or whoever's the STO aliens) watching out and interacting with us on our behalf.

[AnthroHeart]

I do know that Pleiadian technology can pick up other universes out there, so I can't even imagine what technology and spirituality they have to assist.

[3DMonkey]

My "gut" has always been that there is a Mayan dude from the past that is having a good laugh. Seriously, that is my gut.

[AnthroHeart]

http://tinyurl.com/mayan-calendar-humor

[zenmaster]

Paraphrasing: the sun's light is now 4D and that 4D light carries a lot more information, which will be difficult to live with if one hasn't cleared the old patterns and ways of thinking/living. With 4D light, we must learn to live in 4D or not.

Saying "the sun's light is now 4D" can be a little confusing. Apparently, "The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you may call it."

So both Sun and Earth are part of a new vibrational spectrum, which is conducive to green-ray if the planet will receive it. Presumably, being that the Sun has always emitted light across the octave, its light is not changing to 4D.

Also we know that 3D may again cycle on Earth during the 4D cycle (once 4D learns to shield from 3D). So apparently, 3D and 4D can coexist. Therefore, it would not seem to be "4D or not".

[Ashim]

I think the high tech AI computer systems seem to have missed this vital clue.

[irpsit]

I totally agree with you. That is also my intuitive thought.
Love to all,

Okay, here goes. First of all, I,m grateful for this forum. I've been reading Law of One material since early 80's, and through reading it over and over in relative isolation - that is without having anyone else to discuss it with, I have developed a lot of fairly crystallized conclusions. The first is that 2012 is primarily a metaphysical event. There might not even be any physical manifestations of it whatsover except for a very gradual process of between 100-700 years in which humans will evolve physically and spiritually into 4th density. I just have the sense that it will be gradual. I know that at some point, non-harvested entities will stop incarnating, and this alone will yield profound effects, but how long will it take for it to be evident? Read what the Law of One material says. At the point at which earth became 3rd density, it took something like 1500 years. Does anyone really think the process would have been radically evident as to what was occurring? All of this 2012 doomsday thinking, in my most humble opinion, is nothing but a distraction. I believe that includes a tremendous volume of the current "new age" bs (sorry) about such things as indigo children, etc. I do believe what Lof1 material says about this, which is that there are dual-activated bodies in some, but would we really recognize these people? I think we need to be careful to not play into the development of a glamorous mystique of "specialness", etc. This is just another distraction that the negatives are all to eager to foster and use. Thanks again for this opportunity, and I hope I haven't severely offended anyone.

[13TreeofLife13]

I think that the only negativity that could arise from around December 21st could be that it may be the beginning of the end times. I think it is a weird, but always possible conclusion to assume that the world will end on that date.
However, I would like to think that the Earth will start to restore itself by setting off a chain events to wipe out things that hurt it. There are many good humans out there, but I think that we are the equivalent of viruses to mother earth. Either way my intuition seems to tell me that the world events are going to get getting very, very interesting. I think eventually it will return to a very prosperous would. It just may first have to get worse like in terms with maybe weather. That's pretty vague, but it is nevertheless my gut feeling. This is indeed an interesting time period to live in.

[zenmaster]

Carla unequivocally says 3rd density will end this year. So really, it all depends on your definitions of things.

[Oceania]

i'm a hopeful gradualist. i don't want suddenly to hear everyone's thoughts.

[Cyan]

What I believe is that we will see it as it unfolds.

[AnthroHeart]

i'm a hopeful gradualist. i don't want suddenly to hear everyone's thoughts.

My thoughts aren't really that bad. I'm actually pretty excited to be alive.