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kylissa · 12-03-2009, 03:20 AM

great thread everyone. i have a little bit to add since I am into Luciferianism and have read H_H quite a few times.. the H_H stuff resonates with me like a bell. I know that many people on this site and in L/L avoid Hidden Hand due to it possibly being negatively influenced, but I didn't read it that way.

first this H_H quote has ingrained itself into my very being.

Quote:HH: "Evil" is Not who you are. It is part of the complex series of illusions, that you use in 3rd Density, to show you who you are not.

Another quote that might help in the original discussion is from Oahspe, it tells of the Levites:

"From the time Moses began to put on foot the migration of Israel until he reached Shakelmarath, was four years two hundred and seven days. And the number of Israelites that thus went forth out of Egupt was three million seven hundred and fifty-thousand men, women and children. And the number of other people who accompanied them was four hundred thousand; and because they were of the uncircumcised tribes of ancients, the Hebrews named them Levites, i.e., imperfect flesh. And Moses commanded the Levites to camp aside, and not to mix with the Israelites, and they obeyed him in all things; maintaining that they were the true descendents of Abraham."

I'm not sure if this is the same group that the Orion contact happened to though. the Revelations quote about the "Synagogue of Satan" seems to be relevant to this discussion as well.

litllady · 12-03-2009, 01:57 PM

(12-03-2009, 03:20 AM)kylissa Wrote: great thread everyone. i have a little bit to add since I am into Luciferianism and have read H_H quite a few times.. the H_H stuff resonates with me like a bell. I know that many people on this site and in L/L avoid Hidden Hand due to it possibly being negatively influenced, but I didn't read it that way.

first this H_H quote has ingrained itself into my very being.

Quote:HH: "Evil" is Not who you are. It is part of the complex series of illusions, that you use in 3rd Density, to show you who you are not.

Another quote that might help in the original discussion is from Oahspe, it tells of the Levites:

"From the time Moses began to put on foot the migration of Israel until he reached Shakelmarath, was four years two hundred and seven days. And the number of Israelites that thus went forth out of Egupt was three million seven hundred and fifty-thousand men, women and children. And the number of other people who accompanied them was four hundred thousand; and because they were of the uncircumcised tribes of ancients, the Hebrews named them Levites, i.e., imperfect flesh. And Moses commanded the Levites to camp aside, and not to mix with the Israelites, and they obeyed him in all things; maintaining that they were the true descendents of Abraham."

I'm not sure if this is the same group that the Orion contact happened to though. the Revelations quote about the "Synagogue of Satan" seems to be relevant to this discussion as well.

I dont think HH is ignored for negativity. The majority of the message is positive. I think the issue with some people is that there may be misleading information about this 'negative' purpose has been negative in the knowing they were negative out of love for other selves. Even though the path of 'self' has just as much purpose as the 'path of others' I am not aware that the path of 'self' was ever here FOR the path of 'others'. I think a STS nature can become confused in thinking that their STS path is for others...the STS path is for the self, and its rightfully needed and so. I think STS natures that are 'in between' seeing reasons for living for others could be the ones we are seeing as wanting to believe past STS natures were really for the love of others and all. I think we are seeing many souls considering making a giant leap in vibration, being on a cusp of change.

If we have 6density beings here now....this 3d experience could be where many STS nature's find they have been on the 'path that is not' and they may make their 6d choice while here in 3d to continue on STS or to make the leap.

Just thoughts
Love Lynette

kylissa · (This post was last modified: 12-03-2009, 04:17 PM by kylissa.)

(12-03-2009, 01:57 PM)litllady Wrote: I think the issue with some people is that there may be misleading information about this 'negative' purpose has been negative in the knowing they were negative out of love for other selves. Even though the path of 'self' has just as much purpose as the 'path of others' I am not aware that the path of 'self' was ever here FOR the path of 'others'.

The same type of thoughts run through my head too. But to me, not -all- STS entities have the intention of 'helping us to see what we are not'. It is only a small number, the Lucifer soul (a name is a dangerous thing especially such an old mythological name like Lucifer, so no need to harp on exactly who this soul is). The rest of STS are just suckers, copycats, aggressors, weaklings, manipulators, etc. Just as a veil was erected to protect us during this game, an insider was installed at the lowest point to keep that point in check and keep us on a pace by inspiring certain actions in humanity at specific times.

I personally have no fear of the elites due to the almost humorous ways they control the system. The basic idea of using their symbols to tag everything they've touched throughout history shows me they are trying to teach us, to show us where we're weak, to show us what they control that we should have fortified better. There is a system in place for harvest as we know, and if you think about HH in terms of what Ra taught us about the negative path, it makes sense that it is possible to graduate 4D negative, then pop back up to 4D+ and back to 6D. I have come to have no fear of anything, truly, and until people reach that point they will not understand Lucifer, the elite, the Orions, or any of this.

litllady · 12-03-2009, 04:34 PM

(12-03-2009, 04:15 PM)kylissa Wrote:
(12-03-2009, 01:57 PM)litllady Wrote: I think the issue with some people is that there may be misleading information about this 'negative' purpose has been negative in the knowing they were negative out of love for other selves. Even though the path of 'self' has just as much purpose as the 'path of others' I am not aware that the path of 'self' was ever here FOR the path of 'others'.

The same type of thoughts run through my head too. But to me, not -all- STS entities have the intention of 'helping us to see what we are not'. It is only a small number, the Lucifer soul (a name is a dangerous thing especially such an old mythological name like Lucifer, so no need to harp on exactly who this soul is). The rest of STS are just suckers, copycats, aggressors, weaklings, manipulators, etc. Just as a veil was erected to protect us during this game, an insider was installed at the lowest point to keep that point in check and keep us on a pace by inspiring certain actions in humanity at specific times.

I personally have no fear of the elites due to the almost humorous ways they control the system. The basic idea of using their symbols to tag everything they've touched throughout history shows me they are trying to teach us, to show us where we're weak, to show us what they control that we should have fortified better. There is a system in place for harvest as we know, and if you think about HH in terms of what Ra taught us about the negative path, it makes sense that it is possible to graduate 4D negative, then pop back up to 4D+ and back to 6D. I have come to have no fear of anything, truly, and until people reach that point they will not understand Lucifer, the elite, the Orions, or any of this.

Hello!

Conversing is good...so please dont take disagreements as anything other then a different view. But I do disagree somewhat...I dont think STS natures are weak and I dont think they know that they are teaching us anything about ourselves. STS is caught up in the self of self. When STS path realizes how much they helped the path of STO...I think they are gong to be dumbfounded, being clueless that the STS was helping others all along.

The path of loving the self is beautiful in its own rights and is unaware that it is helping other selves.

An example of positive adjustments of an ego would be when the ego learns to cherish all things in its life, the bad and the good, for they all formed who the person has become. I see 6d somewhat like this. Like a ego development of a self, seeing that all the selves served a purpose in forming what we become as a unity. Mabey we are seeing eye to eye more then what it seems. Mabey I still have issues with STS and I am not willing to accept yet that STS can be aware of its path and believe that it is doing it for others. If one believes that they are living a life for others...then they would not be STS, they would be STO. Am I missing something here :-/ Heart

Just where my current thoughts are...and always changing as well...

My best always

kylissa · 12-03-2009, 04:55 PM

(12-03-2009, 04:34 PM)litllady Wrote: But I do disagree somewhat...I dont think STS natures are weak and I dont think they know that they are teaching us anything about ourselves. STS is caught up in the self of self. When STS path realizes how much they helped the path of STO...I think they are gong to be dumbfounded, being clueless that the STS was helping others all along.

The path of loving the self is beautiful in its own rights and is unaware that it is helping other selves.

An example of positive adjustments of an ego would be when the ego learns to cherish all things in its life, the bad and the good, for they all formed who the person has become. I see 6d somewhat like this. Like a ego development of a self, seeing that all the selves served a purpose in forming what we become as a unity. Mabey we are seeing eye to eye more then what it seems. Mabey I still have issues with STS and I am not willing to accept yet that STS can be aware of its path and believe that it is doing it for others. If one believes that they are living a life for others...then they would not be STS, they would be STO. Am I missing something here :-/

Just where my current thoughts are...and always changing as well...
My best always

Hi Litl. I see a paradox in everything, and I really appreciate both sides of any issue, so there's no intention to disprove or disagree here. you're so very eloquent and I agree with and appreciate all you've said. The only thing that I might not have been clear about, is my view on the STS entity. What makes me think of them as 'weak' is what Ra teaches us. STS gets to 5D-, then either disintegrates or realizes STO is all there is because of the Law of One. What you said really illustrates this idea well: "When STS path realizes how much they helped the path of STO...I think they are gong to be dumbfounded, being clueless that the STS was helping others all along."

the only thing I'd say you're 'missing' from what I'm trying to convey is that there is only a small fraction of STS that is on this mission, the one Lucifer soul, those born without a veil. The rest of STS humans are just as you described. I just see them as weak due to looking from the 'big picture' and even that ends in a paradox, because is disintegration of an individual into the infinite creator weakness? We will never know. Everything is everything.

litllady · (This post was last modified: 12-03-2009, 05:09 PM by litllady.)

(12-03-2009, 04:55 PM)kylissa Wrote:
(12-03-2009, 04:34 PM)litllady Wrote: But I do disagree somewhat...I dont think STS natures are weak and I dont think they know that they are teaching us anything about ourselves. STS is caught up in the self of self. When STS path realizes how much they helped the path of STO...I think they are gong to be dumbfounded, being clueless that the STS was helping others all along.

The path of loving the self is beautiful in its own rights and is unaware that it is helping other selves.

An example of positive adjustments of an ego would be when the ego learns to cherish all things in its life, the bad and the good, for they all formed who the person has become. I see 6d somewhat like this. Like a ego development of a self, seeing that all the selves served a purpose in forming what we become as a unity. Mabey we are seeing eye to eye more then what it seems. Mabey I still have issues with STS and I am not willing to accept yet that STS can be aware of its path and believe that it is doing it for others. If one believes that they are living a life for others...then they would not be STS, they would be STO. Am I missing something here :-/

Just where my current thoughts are...and always changing as well...
My best always

Hi Litl. I see a paradox in everything, and I really appreciate both sides of any issue, so there's no intention to disprove or disagree here. you're so very eloquent and I agree with and appreciate all you've said. The only thing that I might not have been clear about, is my view on the STS entity. What makes me think of them as 'weak' is what Ra teaches us. STS gets to 5D-, then either disintegrates or realizes STO is all there is because of the Law of One. What you said really illustrates this idea well: "When STS path realizes how much they helped the path of STO...I think they are gong to be dumbfounded, being clueless that the STS was helping others all along."

the only thing I'd say you're 'missing' from what I'm trying to convey is that there is only a small fraction of STS that is on this mission, the one Lucifer soul, those born without a veil. The rest of STS humans are just as you described. I just see them as weak due to looking from the 'big picture' and even that ends in a paradox, because is disintegration of an individual into the infinite creator weakness? We will never know. Everything is everything.

Just curious...can anyone tell me if the LOO talks about a group that was born here without the veil? I believe there are those that have pierced the veil, gaining infinite intelligence...but is there a group that is literally born with a 'all knowing'?

Ali Quadir · 12-03-2009, 05:54 PM

(12-03-2009, 05:07 PM)litllady Wrote: Just curious...can anyone tell me if the LOO talks about a group that was born here without the veil? I believe there are those that have pierced the veil, gaining infinite intelligence...but is there a group that is literally born with a 'all knowing'?

I only know that some individuals are born like this. If they are part of a group then you have your group. Usually you find them as principal motivators at the beginning or somewhere during the history of religions.

I don't think I've met one myself.

colorado · 12-16-2009, 01:36 AM

(02-18-2009, 07:47 AM)Lavazza Wrote: Ayadew,

I finally got a chance to look through that body of text that you linked from 'Insider'. That's the first time I've read information from a STS entity or group. I feel sort of like I need to wash my hands now, it's not such a good feeling. It's so completely different in vibratory nature than the material we mostly focus on here. The overall resonance is fear, fear, fear... under an intellectual guise, and a half-hearted guise of wanting to be helpful. In some ways I got the same feeling that I do when I happen upon fear based conspiracy theory material.

Really glad to be in the STO community. I love you guys.

I felt the same way. I had to stop reading because I was getting sick to my stomach. The purity of the negativity in that dialogue was, frankly, disturbing. This came from a forum thread, right? That makes me very suspicious of its origins (whether it is legit or not). It could have just been a smart guy wanting to stir something up, and nothing more. But when I was reading it, I got the feeling that wasn't the case. I'm not sure what to think.

XionComrade · (This post was last modified: 12-10-2012, 05:29 AM by XionComrade.)

Anyone got any idea on who the original "Christ" was he kept referring to but never naming? Or was it disinfo? It would blow the lid of of what alot of the STO Confederation entities had to say about Jesus, but I guess Insider never did fully discredit Jesus. Seems like I remember alot of people praising Zoroaster very much so. Seems like insider mentioned that we knew of him(Real Christ) historically. That stuff resonated very powerfully with the LOO and alot of other stuff. It was neat to see what was allegedly the confidence, the lack of fear or doubt, the calmness, and the sure sense of benevolence that the STS peoples tend to have.

And a side note, mostly for my self, is that Yahweh is mentioned as a Guardian by Ra, By Planetary logos by HH. According to Adronis while discussing the holes at the poles and the center of the earth, the hollow earth, there are 7th density beings in that area(Which is not actually a area like most perceive, but is like a wormhole sort of deal, through the densities) who are the planetary guardians, the planetary Logos....

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