What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[Monica]

oops, ok. :@ Thanks for the tip! The format of this forum is different from what I'm used to.

[freemason]

One must admire the wanderers, the brothers and sisters of sorrow, undergoing the veil of forgetting, risking the loss of polarity. While the many becoming aware of the Law of One, desire so greatly to get beyond this cycle, That desire to some degree must be illusion. It is difficult to stop trying, to work on disciplines of respecting the temple for its own sake. The thoughts of graduation don't necessarily lead to " going forth joyfully" at least for me anyway.

[Quantum]

One must admire the wanderers, the brothers and sisters of sorrow, undergoing the veil of forgetting, risking the loss of polarity. While the many becoming aware of the Law of One, desire so greatly to get beyond this cycle, That desire to some degree must be illusion. It is difficult to stop trying, to work on disciplines of respecting the temple for its own sake. The thoughts of graduation don't necessarily lead to " going forth joyfully" at least for me anyway.

It is an interesting thought expressed. But one must balance the remembering that the wanderers who do choose the wandering path do so not only as a sole means of assisting, but also as the opportunity to crystallize and excel their own opportunity for even greater polarization to themselves as well for the trouble of the tribulation they chose. Sweet irony. No? Loving the other is no less noble than is loving the self , and vice-versa, in as much as they hold the same dynamic. Propelling the other holds a direct and proportionate relationship to propelling the self, as does the propelling of self for and to the other. The existentialist asks, in a vacuum without the mystics understanding, does Altruism then truly exist(?), given that the greatest humanitarian presumably receives something in exchange of the giving, even if nothing else than the the sheer joy it brings him to do so which is the payoff. This would be the philosophical answer in response, as a result of an uninformed heart, judged in appearance as the cynics response. The mystic's answer lies in the fact that "I am you as he as me as we are all together" as expressed succinctly and pointedly by the late John Lennon in 'I am the Walrus'. The mystic would say in full knowingness that indeed we are all one. As such, being a 'brother of sorrow' holds the sameness of being as does a 'brother of joy' at once, in as much as giving to the other is an act of giving to the self, as is receiving from the other the same as giving to the other. Ra might equate the offerer/recipient to the recipient/offerer as much the same dynamic as is a teach/learning to a learn/teaching. Not only are we as individuals as though one side of the coin to the other, for and to the other, as much as we are to ourselves as though one side of the coin within ourselves to ourselves holding simultaneously the capacity of potentiated energy of being the other at once. It requires only the choice maker to choose. The dynamic of an experience then too holds also the potential simultaneously of both polarities at once. Its the choosing that gives life to the experience, as much as the choice maker that makes it so.

"The thoughts of graduation don't necessarily lead to " going forth joyfully" at least for me anyway" , as you express, is a choice. You may give yourself the permission to do so in total joy with reckless abandonment whilst performing the Snoopy Dance in full glee should you choose so instead, or not, in as much as you may lock yourself into a definition that "Sorrow" means sorrow in the colloquial context it may be interpreted in, which then may structurally lock you tightly into a stricture of your choosing of necessarily identifying with being sad. An example might be in order: As a father I am a "Father of Sorrow" for my child through the total abandonment of self in love for the sheer joy it brings me, allowing me to be a "Father of Ecstasy" as a result of loving to such a capacity that it hurts so much that I wish to wail in the sweet delight of the pain. Sweet irony at Play In The Field of the Lord of dynamics, verbiage, strictured definition to same, understanding, perception, all equaling the experience of the choice maker we are in the choosing. How absolutely confounding, delightful, painful, joyous, paralyzing, freeing up of a thought. Choose not to be going forth joyfully, to instead going forth joyfully then. Forth you will go no doubt irrespective in graduation, in stagnation, in degradation, all ultimately leading to growth in graduation.... "o-o-o-p-s, I did it again" as the great sage sang once long ago.

Be well whilst going forth,

Q

[Monica]

Oh wow, you outdid yourself, Quantum! Profound! I'm reeling from the blissful impact.

[ayadew]

One must admire the wanderers, the brothers and sisters of sorrow, undergoing the veil of forgetting, risking the loss of polarity. While the many becoming aware of the Law of One, desire so greatly to get beyond this cycle, That desire to some degree must be illusion. It is difficult to stop trying, to work on disciplines of respecting the temple for its own sake. The thoughts of graduation don't necessarily lead to " going forth joyfully" at least for me anyway.

Q'uo has an interesting thought regarding all this. I find great comfort in it, and encouragement to do my best to love here.

As wanderers you came for two reasons: to serve and to be tested. If
there is comfort in knowing that the path that is in front of each now is
the appropriate, destined path designed by yourself, then please take
comfort in that. There is always, in the illusion, the feeling that to be
without the heavy body and heavy experiences of third density would
be greatly desired. Yet, as soon as the incarnation is naturally over, the
seeking spirit gazes backwards and thinks, “Why did I not learn more?
What a great opportunity!”

I am very grateful to Q'uo.

Peace and love.

[Monica]

I am very grateful to Q'uo.

Yes indeed! I cannot begin to quantify how much comfort, insight, and inspiration I have received from Q'uo's words.

[freemason]

In book 2 the balancing of chakras is required to have a crown rotation adequate to tolerate the impact of light/love. Does anyone have any comments on balancing chakras as it relates to the harvestable quality of an entity. And I take it that the chakra evaluation is the primary tool for evaluation of each person.

[Monica]

In book 2 the balancing of chakras is required to have a crown rotation adequate to tolerate the impact of light/love. Does anyone have any comments on balancing chakras as it relates to the harvestable quality of an entity. And I take it that the chakra evaluation is the primary tool for evaluation of each person.

On the live chat, Carla provided some tips, as well as directing us to search the site for chakra balancing...there is tons of info on the topic. Just do a google search like this:

"chakra balancing" site:llresearch.org

or maybe try it with just the word 'balancing' only.

[Richard]

Sorry to take so long to get back to this. My company rolled out a new firewall that prevents access to this site from work due to its "occult" nature and.... the IT guy's personal bias.


"....Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time...."

Does "Harvest" occur throughout the transition period? I'm thinking that it must since there has been so much info about the "new" children being born. Indigo or crystal....call them what you will. Or else many of them will simply not mature by 2012.

Any thoughts?

Richard

[irpsit]

I am also very grateful for this forum!
I have read the Law of One since 2002.
My gut feelings about 2012 is that is not a single all-powerful event but perhaps an important point during a continuum of the harvest.
It already seems very clear that something of spiritual evolution is unfolding in mankind.
And second it may seem that a tipping point could be about to be reached.
I would assume, like Ra/Quo, that this is the harvest event, which is determined by both the individual actions and the actions of the collective (actions, or more precisely the state of being)

So I truly believe 2012 is first a metaphysical point. Since I study detailed astrology, I know that we are currently in a crosspoint of many important cosmic cycles around 2010 and 2011. It is like a new cardinal energy is input, a new refreshment, a new reaping, a new restart, strong events, changes, turning points, seeding energy. But I guess the harvest is a sort of even higher astrology and therefore goes beyond the traditional solar system 9-planet astrology.

Let us consider first the possibility of the harvest prolonging another 300-700 years beyond 2012, as Quo stated. The information of Kryon seems to be identical. And other sources too.
I think the astrological configuration around 2011 will confer much energy to mankind, that can be use for heart purposes, service, new action, a new way of being, service, transformation.
2009, per an Aquarius stellium, seems to indicate also a very preocupation with the welfare of other, to establishment of new community sense, of brotherhood, of advancement of mankind through new ways, of humanitarian, ecological and scientific progress, and of social revolutions (we can already see a notorious manifestation of this energy).

I have also add some astral visions, they have changed much from a more earth-change nature to less dramatic, so still with some weather-related phenomena, the change seems more subtle, gradualistic and soft. In former visions I had seen a kind of cosmic phenomena in the year of 2012 involving the sun, weird climate, and some cosmic lights, following radical social change, which by the following decades would reorganize itself in small communities, and almost no commerce for example. Then, psychic phenomena increases during this century, as well as a feeling of closeness between people, then by several centuries ahead, there is this strange dream-land utopian Earth, which is maybe the 4th density world.

By now let us focus in our joyful service, at a time of great world transformation. Let us gather with our mates and companions and rejoice in the moment, so we can slowly construct that new way of being, more based in freedom, love, humbleness and union.


PS: by the way, if you need astrological advice I can provide for you freely. Or just for a short conservation.
For that just send me a private message.

Okay, here goes. First of all, I,m grateful for this forum. I've been reading Law of One material since early 80's, and through reading it over and over in relative isolation - that is without having anyone else to discuss it with, I have developed a lot of fairly crystallized conclusions. The first is that 2012 is primarily a metaphysical event. There might not even be any physical manifestations of it whatsover except for a very gradual process of between 100-700 years in which humans will evolve physically and spiritually into 4th density. I just have the sense that it will be gradual. I know that at some point, non-harvested entities will stop incarnating, and this alone will yield profound effects, but how long will it take for it to be evident? Read what the Law of One material says. At the point at which earth became 3rd density, it took something like 1500 years. Does anyone really think the process would have been radically evident as to what was occurring? All of this 2012 doomsday thinking, in my most humble opinion, is nothing but a distraction. I believe that includes a tremendous volume of the current "new age" bs (sorry) about such things as indigo children, etc. I do believe what Lof1 material says about this, which is that there are dual-activated bodies in some, but would we really recognize these people? I think we need to be careful to not play into the development of a glamorous mystique of "specialness", etc. This is just another distraction that the negatives are all to eager to foster and use. Thanks again for this opportunity, and I hope I haven't severely offended anyone.

[freemason]

I believe we are raising the planetary consciousness throught the internet communications. I am laying out the Law of One to the Masonic community on my blog metaphysical freemason..... I have over 10000 hits, I would assume that many of us do the same in steadfast dedication to a source of considerable truth. How long has mankind sought just such a high raised source. My gratitude to Don, Carla and Jim for the early work. Imagine them so young and yet so disciplined to the purpose. Anyway, this exponential scattering of the material is so many modalities must be having the desired impact. And as 3rd density confusion is rendered out of the system, more will find it easier to live without fear and it really could take off. I think we need to redouble our efforts, especially as Dwai Khul noted through group effort.

[Brentcf]

I'm brand new here and wasn't sure I would post anything for a few days but this thread caught my eye.

I agree that you can not really "prepare" physically for the transition. The best we can do is prepare emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. After all, we have been told that NOTHING of 3D will ascend to 4D, including our bodies. It took me a long time to "get my head around" this as I had spent much time and effort physically preparing for 2012.
I do think that the STS forces have and will make every attempt to generate fear and anxiety about the coming transition. I always have to keep this in the back of my mind and remember that this is a positive, loving transition to a higher level of existence supported and directed by an STO universe.

[micjer]

I know that things are changing already. I feel that the level of consciousness has risen globally. I look at the amount of info on the internet lately. I know the weather extremes have increased.

There is something definately coming. I believe it will be a gradual increase and then a sudden climax sometime in the next 3 years.

I don't think we could handle a sudden change. It needs to be spread out a bit at a time.

[airwaves]

I have been studying the Law of One for a year now, and just recently stumbled across L/L Research and these forums. I love what you guys are doing and will make a point to be a little more involved if possible.

I also have found another site witch may answer a few of the questions pertaining to this thread.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...&Itemid=30

Tell me if this helps.

[Little Star]

Okay, here goes. First of all, I,m grateful for this forum. I've been reading Law of One material since early 80's, and through reading it over and over in relative isolation - that is without having anyone else to discuss it with, I have developed a lot of fairly crystallized conclusions. The first is that 2012 is primarily a metaphysical event. There might not even be any physical manifestations of it whatsover except for a very gradual process of between 100-700 years in which humans will evolve physically and spiritually into 4th density. I just have the sense that it will be gradual. I know that at some point, non-harvested entities will stop incarnating, and this alone will yield profound effects, but how long will it take for it to be evident? Read what the Law of One material says. At the point at which earth became 3rd density, it took something like 1500 years. Does anyone really think the process would have been radically evident as to what was occurring? All of this 2012 doomsday thinking, in my most humble opinion, is nothing but a distraction. I believe that includes a tremendous volume of the current "new age" bs (sorry) about such things as indigo children, etc. I do believe what Lof1 material says about this, which is that there are dual-activated bodies in some, but would we really recognize these people? I think we need to be careful to not play into the development of a glamorous mystique of "specialness", etc. This is just another distraction that the negatives are all to eager to foster and use. Thanks again for this opportunity, and I hope I haven't severely offended anyone.

I just joined about two minutes ago and saw this thread and was so excited because I believe you are quite accurate in all of your assessments.

[micjer]

You may be right that nothing will happen in 2012. However you should watch the interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. He speaks in terms what the native tribes talk about and it is similar to the Ra prophesy.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/mem...unvalo.htm

[Little Star]

You may be right that nothing will happen in 2012. However you should watch the interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. He speaks in terms what the native tribes talk about and it is similar to the Ra prophesy.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/mem...unvalo.htm

No, I didn't say that I didn't think anything would happen. I don't think that is what the original poster said either. What we said is that that what happens will likely be less dramatic in terms of what is perceived by people than what a lot of folks are fearing.

[micjer]

You may be right that nothing will happen in 2012. However you should watch the interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. He speaks in terms what the native tribes talk about and it is similar to the Ra prophesy.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/mem...unvalo.htm

No, I didn't say that I didn't think anything would happen. I don't think that is what the original poster said either. What we said is that that what happens will likely be less dramatic in terms of what is perceived by people than what a lot of folks are fearing.

Oh I see, sorry. It seems to me that things have turned more positive lately and this may very well be the case. I find it reassuring when you hear someone like Drunvalo speak of 2012 in such an uplifting way. He is coming at it from a different way then the Ra material, yet the end result is similar. He says that if we knew what was coming we would be jumping up and down with joy!!

[Little Star]

You may be right that nothing will happen in 2012. However you should watch the interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. He speaks in terms what the native tribes talk about and it is similar to the Ra prophesy.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/mem...unvalo.htm

No, I didn't say that I didn't think anything would happen. I don't think that is what the original poster said either. What we said is that that what happens will likely be less dramatic in terms of what is perceived by people than what a lot of folks are fearing.

Oh I see, sorry. It seems to me that things have turned more positive lately and this may very well be the case. I find it reassuring when you hear someone like Drunvalo speak of 2012 in such an uplifting way. He is coming at it from a different way then the Ra material, yet the end result is similar. He says that if we knew what was coming we would be jumping up and down with joy!!

I didn't listen to his whole tape because it is so long. I didn't that it would be bad from the Ra Material. But, then, I just started reading it. I think it is more that it is within your control. Where did you get the get a the impression that it said something bad would happen? Can you refer me to the passage? Also, as soon as Obama was elected, I think we sent a message that we are willing to change our direction and priorities.

[freemason]

I agree whole heartedly that electing Obama is a vote for a sustainable earth, a vote for inclusiveness, and an end to a reliance on oil and control of others. The coming age may be the soft landing that we have hoped for as we are aligning ourselves to its energy. It may be a post consumer economy, that will be a big change

[full moon]

You may be right that nothing will happen in 2012. However you should watch the interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek. He speaks in terms what the native tribes talk about and it is similar to the Ra prophesy.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/mem...unvalo.htm

No, I didn't say that I didn't think anything would happen. I don't think that is what the original poster said either. What we said is that that what happens will likely be less dramatic in terms of what is perceived by people than what a lot of folks are fearing.

Oh I see, sorry. It seems to me that things have turned more positive lately and this may very well be the case. I find it reassuring when you hear someone like Drunvalo speak of 2012 in such an uplifting way. He is coming at it from a different way then the Ra material, yet the end result is similar. He says that if we knew what was coming we would be jumping up and down with joy!!

I didn't listen to his whole tape because it is so long. I didn't that it would be bad from the Ra Material. But, then, I just started reading it. I think it is more that it is within your control. Where did you get the get a the impression that it said something bad would happen? Can you refer me to the passage? Also, as soon as Obama was elected, I think we sent a message that we are willing to change our direction and priorities.

An author named Ruth Montgomery (now deceased) wrote a few books about "The Shift" (ascenssion, 4th world, etc [same thing]) would bring major changes in land masses and many deaths - deaths in the billions - half of human kind. In her last book in 1999, she said that the Creator recognized that people were becoming more spiritual and has decided not to bring quite that level of destruction to the Earth. I believe that there are other people who have channeled the same information.

[Little Star]

Full moon, you are continually surprising me. When did you read this stuff?

[full moon]

Full moon, you are continually surprising me. When did you read this stuff?

Couple of months ago.

[Quantum]

I have been studying the Law of One for a year now, and just recently stumbled across L/L Research and these forums. I love what you guys are doing and will make a point to be a little more involved if possible.

I also have found another site witch may answer a few of the questions pertaining to this thread.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...&Itemid=30

Tell me if this helps.

As recommended and invited, I took the liberty of reading the gentleman's post that you recommended above, i.e. as regards the interpretations of the writer's sentiments with respect to what I consider to be "his very personal and perhaps biased interpretation" with respect to what "he believes" are Ra's sentiments concerning 2012. Many of us are very familiar with this author's writings, and arguably he has done a great deal to promote the Law of One extensively. However, that notwithstanding, he seems adamantly committed to his interpretations of the Ra Material with respect to 2012 as "an end of life coming" to life as we know it, and this as being fixed, static, immovable, immutable, and solidified. I would offer that his opening dialog begins "The time has come, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself, to be quite honest!" and then in fact does so at great length. His position, simply stated, is that life as we know it will end. He references Ra extensively, and even adeptly, so as to support 'his theory' , and states unequivocally that it is Ra's. This is an "all or nothing position" and he stakes everything, including life itself, on this one single fact, allowing no alternative.

In order to accept a truth as an inevitable bit of logic towards its conclusion(s), one must first and foremost accept the premise(s) stated as fact before one may then follow the logic to conclude it's correctness. Argue the premise, and the logic falls apart.

I question the premise(s) of the post (far too long to list) but invite all to read, as did you originally above. Several arguments to the contrary come to mind as a result:

(1.): Let us assume what Ra said was in fact true, as per the sentiments stated, that life will come to an end in 2012. If so, may things not change? If the answer is yes, as it always must be, then release this interpretation from it's "stricture" (a Ra term), as perhaps the energy befitting those possibilities, in those vortices, at that time interval when given.

(2.) Other readings, most notably Quo, suggest that the energies may have evolved since, and as such, that perhaps the changes may be far less severe, and thus far more gradual, if not forgiving.
(a.) Let us remember that Quo states that "They" are part of the Ra group. One would have to argue against this in order to argue against this possibility.
(b.) Carla Ruckert, who channeled Ra, is now channeling Quo. The source seems impeccable, and as such has withstood the test of time. Clearly we are all in agreement to at least this premise, as offered by the proof that we are here to discuss and challenge ourselves to higher ground as regards the LOO (Law of One)?
(c.) The writer of your reference has openly challenged the Quo material (as being less than factual), which in a sense questions Carla's channeling abilities, or source, or at the very least the accuracy of her connection to the Quo source.
(d.) If we question Carla as regards Quo, then why stop there and not question Carla as regards Ra? Perhaps she is as good at it, or has gotten better at it, verses worse?
(e.) But the author then also goes on to state that he would have us believe he too now channels Ra these days. I can not dispute this, nor would I, but I would question why we would take this position as more true when we are presumably asked to believe that he too channels Ra(?) but that Carla who channeled Ra originally and is now channeling Quo would be less accurate(?), this while his current Ra channeling's are more accurate(?), and this as well against the backdrop of the fact that Carla presumably can not contact the Ra group specifically any longer as the result of Don's inability to participate?
(f.) To this point, we know at great length of Carla's and Don's and Jim's very strict requirements as regards the Ra channeling sessions, as much as we do to their great body of work. We know very little as to the author's stringent requirements of his Ra channeling sessions, or much of his body of work as regards the Ra channeling's specifically. This is not to impugn his channeling abilities, but only to draw a comparative analysis of each's respective works verses their outcomes, and to question, given his questions or challenges against Quo, verses his assertion he channels Ra.

(3.) The Ra readings specifically expressed the 100-700 year possibility as to the length of time of transition as well, and seems to leave as much open in the same vein that did Quo in the Ruckert session as regards the length of time of transition.

Quote:Ra: This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.


Quote:Ra: At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.


Even Ra states this "time line naming" can not be accurate. Let us then allow that we can not know with accuracy then. Let us also accept we are not supposed to know. The act of presuming we know anything with certainty, according to Ra, suggests we know nothing.

Quote:From the author of the referenced site above that airwaves offers as regards Ra's quote above: Here is the one and ONLY 'gradualist' quote in the entire Law of One series. You just read the ONE quote that has created the WHOLE PROBLEM everyone's arguing about......As we're about to see, this 100-700 year period does not start counting as of the time of the Law of One material… it begins in 1936. Trip out on this for a minute. We entered into a whole different structure of reality as we know it, beginning in 1936.


1936 plus 700 = 2636?
As for Quo suggesting 300 years, it lies somewhere between what Ra inferred as roughly 2300? My point being, do we transition at the beginning of the transition (2012), or at the end of some several hundred years of the transition? Who knows this with certainty? Who may suggest we are to know with certainty? It is the searching that is the impetus for growth. Remove the search and the impetus is equally removed as well. Thus it is given to us to walk in the shadows of faith only, and to know nothing with certainty.

The clock of intelligent energy indeed must strike if we accept the Ra teachings. It may very well even be a spontaneous event. But does this require the interpretation as "an end of life scenario" somewhere at the beginning of this transition/juncture? Life goes on, in one form or another in any event, but perhaps not as "an end" in one instant, but more as a change sustaining life in one instant to offer transition to all?

Finally, I love the the sign off signature of each post that one participant uses with every posted message that is a Ra quote:

Ra (3:65): Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

This alone resounds with hope, love, and possibility, and is as a result far removed from anything locked, fixed, static, unmoving, or immutable as can be discerned. In this one sentiment alone by Ra all is layed to rest, not as regards life ending as we know it, but as regards possibilities. Possibilities are not fixed by their very definition. It leaves all open.

Lastly:

Quote:Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Questioner: That is a very important point. I used the wrong word. What I meant to say was that I believed that it was not necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

The knowledge of the Law of One is not even a requirement as much as is an Open Heart coupled with the awareness that you don't know.

I don't understand, I don't know, but I do understand and do know that the only one's with the knowledge of knowing know they don't know.

Confused and loving it,

Q

[Richard]

From the(oddly enough...or perhaps I was supposed to find it on the same day 8 yrs later) the 2-4-2001 Qu'o Meditation

"....The concept of ascension is a concept that we have found largely within your cultures’ Christian belief systems. The beliefs vary, but the basic commonality of this idea centers upon the concept of some entities being physically removed from the surface of the Earth to safe places at a time when the remainder of the population of the Earth will be destroyed by the end of the world or some other version of the apocalypse, whether the cause of it be man or spirit.

It is not our understanding that this concept is a helpful one spiritually. It is not our opinion that this is the way things work in any physical sense. In our opinion the processes of ascension or harvest are subsumed within the process of moving through the physical death and entrance into larger life, as this instrument would put it.

The concept of the harvest of Earth is, more than ascension, in line with our understanding with the way things work metaphysically. Each of you is a spark of the Creator, and each of you may think of yourself in a way as that which has been planted in the Earth, for you have been planted as a soul into flesh. And at the end of that work done within the school of life, the door of death opens, the Creator beckons, and through that door each goes. Upon the other side of that door, the decision for your harvest shall be made.

However, it is not our understanding that this harvest is one of judgment placed upon one from the outside. Rather, it is a matter of that vibration that you and how that vibratory energy
field works. Each crystal soul accepts light in a certain range and finds it difficult to accept life
outside of that range.

Consequently, the harvest of each of you consists, basically, of the careful and guarded process whereby the soul walks along a gradually increasing line of vibration of light. The light increases as the soul walks, and as the soul walks it senses whether or not it is most comfortable. It walks into that increasing light until it is at the spot of fullest light that it can enjoy and appreciate
in a stable manner. And it stops at that point because it is uncomfortable to go further. Where
that soul stops is either still in third density or has moved over into fourth density or higher. If that
soul has stopped in third density, then it chooses, completely on its own and with no judgment
involved, to repeat the third-density experience.

In many cases this decision will not simply be for another incarnation, because this is the time of Earth harvest. It will mean there will be a 25,000 year period during which that spirit will enjoy third
density upon another planet. However, it is not a punishment to repeat a grade. It is simply the right place for that soul that enjoys that range of light. If that spirit has stopped across that quantum divide between third and fourth density, that entity may then choose to begin a series of incarnations in fourth density and can be said to have graduated from Earth’s third density.

For each person that experience will be unique. To our knowledge, there is no general harvest but, rather, the individual harvest of each soul upon each soul’s schedule...."

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Harvest is not a world spanning event. It is, rather, a personal journey found beyond death's door. Add the material above to the original Ra material that predicted up to a 700 yr transitional phase? And 2012 is going to be, I think, business as usual as far as the world goes. People will pass on, babies will be born...families will be raised. Disasters will occur. People will pick themselves up and go on. In other words, life goes on.

But hopefully, the rest of the population will begin to awaken and maybe we can begin to make a difference in the world.

Richard

[Quantum]

From the(oddly enough...or perhaps I was supposed to find it on the same day 8 yrs later) the 2-4-2001 Qu'o Meditation
"....The concept of ascension is a concept that we have found largely within your cultures’ Christian belief systems. The beliefs vary, but the basic commonality of this idea centers upon the concept of some entities being physically removed from the surface of the Earth to safe places at a time when the remainder of the population of the Earth will be destroyed by the end of the world or some other version of the apocalypse, whether the cause of it be man or spirit.

....It is not our understanding that this concept is a helpful one spiritually. It is not our opinion that this is the way things work in any physical sense. In our opinion the processes of ascension or harvest are subsumed within the process of moving through the physical death and entrance into larger life, as this instrument would put it.....

Harvest is not a world spanning event. It is, rather, a personal journey found beyond death's door. Add the material above to the original Ra material that predicted up to a 700 yr transitional phase? And 2012 is going to be, I think, business as usual as far as the world goes. People will pass on, babies will be born...families will be raised. Disasters will occur. People will pick themselves up and go on. In other words, life goes on.

But hopefully, the rest of the population will begin to awaken and maybe we can begin to make a difference in the world.
Richard

Very elegantly,eloquently, and hope-filled stated Richard. Thank you for sharing this piece of oddly found synergy, as you describe it. It may indeed be for reason. Picking up from my previous theory "that all is theory" at the end of the day, and that theory may be argued to be a bit analogous to faith in many ways, and given that there exists the "Christian Rapture/Ra Spontaneous Event" camp, verses the "Christian Gradualist/Ra Gradualist" camp in kind, I've often asked myself what the psychology purporting either position might suggest about either? Beginning from the start premise-point that faith and theory are closely linked, what then is in it for one to argue for one unknown position verses another unknown position (like arguing over fake diamonds as suggested in my previous post "Strictly Law of One/About Social Values post #33") if in fact neither are known? Remember always, the LOO states: we are meant not to know in 3D. Perhaps as much, or more, is revealed of the individual holding the position, than in the truth about what may not be known, i.e. in this case arguing for death verses life. It may be further argued that at least in the Christian context of The Rapture, one is nonetheless arguing for a sustained life (albeit a favored life) position in any event, whereas in the Ra/loO argument of as a 'Spontaneous event', one calling for the total physical death and annihilation of the physical vehicle? One must for oneself, and rightly so rather quickly, given that neither may be known, ask what this might at least suggest about one's inner deeper psychology? More to the point yet, and if one spends a vast amount of time, and even years, arguing this position as a student, or self-appointed speaker for this position, and finding a plethora of reasons in vagaries for this position, might it not equally suggest that one isn't very happy with his present lot, and that there may indeed be a hoped for payoff in getting out of this present 3D predicament one in fact signed up for to begin with?

I would argue that we're here now. I would further argue that unless one were dead of life or feeling, and assuming one were versed in either Christian beliefs or LOO beliefs, and held either one in faith to any degree, one would need take up the position for one or the other to at least a greater or lessor degree. I would further argue that since neither may be known, and that either may or may not be true, that taking up the mantle for either position reveals far more about the inner psychology than anything else in this moment. I would close by suggesting that the only argument against this is to re-assume with rigor the original position of either theory with faith as an argument against this, only to begin the loop all over again.

What may be in it for anyone to argue for death, except of course a better life? Forgive the pun. But if one is in love with oneself in the abstract and positive sense, then I dare say one is in love with everyone else as a consequence, and as such is in love with life as well. As proof to this simple thought experiment I would offer that there is not a soul on this plane who would not fight for the life for someone they dearly loved, including his own. Nor would he wish for that someone to give up their life for any reason (including getting to heaven or 4D), as "Heaven Can Wait" (as much as can 4D). We know we know this. No? Then what is in it for the one wishing and arguing to get out sooner, rather than later? He wouldn't wish it for his dog, much less his child, much less his brother, much less his lover. Then why wish it as a theory or faith for himself, much less the Planet and all of life on it?

Loving life, I remain faithful as theory to it,

Q

[Phoenix]

To answer the question, my gut feeling is that things will shift a lot. Aliens will be more vocal in contact with us, people may manifest abilities more closely associated with fictional TV shows. But that my life will essentially continue in my present ego being known as Joe.

But, in the sense that is meant here, as more information gathering. I just wanted to add that David Wilcocks work was illuminating. He said that illuminati time travel experiments have revealed a point in 2012 where everything essentially becomes one. This agrees with a harvest quote in the LOO about energy centers (but you won't find it in the harvest section of the Law of One info page) which states that at harvest we will all be pushed into 'violet ray' in order to gauge our harvestability.

Just one of many details. I don't personally like taking Illuminati info as meaning a whole lot because I consider them very confused, but as long as you take it with a pinch of salt, it's all cool.

[Quantum]

.. David Wilcocks work was illuminating. He said that illuminati time travel experiments have revealed a point in 2012 where everything essentially becomes one. .

Just one of many details. I don't personally like taking Illuminati info as meaning a whole lot because I consider them very confused, but as long as you take it with a pinch of salt, it's all cool.

H-m-m-m-m..."Illuminati time travel experiments?" How strange to utilize illuminati information to support the LOO? As confusing, it becomes more cumbersome yet to discuss another unprovable and questionable piece of questionable information to support what is already unprovable (the LOO), but one (the LOO) we at least believe in as something we have invested ourselves into as something worth studying. If I were to pursue this line of reasoning, I would ask, if the illuminati are who we are to believe they are, how in the world would anyone acquire this very illuminati presumably highly secret information, and if acquired, why would one assume that if they gave it out to the general public, or allowed it it be leaked, that it would be reliable? I would offer that this information would by any reasonable standards be suspect.

I would offer once again, that Carla, Don, Jim, et al, and the LOO information in particular, have withstood the rigors of time, integrity, and transparency. Can the same be said of information from the illuminati as a presumably understood source of disinformation?

My humble attempt to keep it focused,

Q

[airwaves]

Quantum you are a very smart and perceptive individual, and thank I you for all of the advise that you have given me thus far. I for one support/believe/resonate with/understand the LOO therefore I take Q’uo's words on this subject to be factual. Besides that if you accept the LOO to be true then you accept that Q’uo has already been through what we are currently going through, and being from the same logos as we that they have a very good basis for the info that they give us.

Just a thought and it is very possible/probable that I am wrong; I felt the need to give my 2 cents anyway.

Love and Peace

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btw (another after thought lol) I know I just jumped from 3 posts to 13 or so today but it is not because I don't like you guys. It was out of shyness more than anything. I have seen a lot of posts/threads today that resonate very deeply with me today and had no choice but to respond. I do have a deep respect/understanding/love for everyone here and in fact everyone. Everyone is special you just have to look to see. We are truly all one.

[Phoenix]

If I were to pursue this line of reasoning, I would ask, if the illuminati are who we are to believe they are, how in the world would anyone acquire this very illuminati presumably highly secret information, and if acquired, why would one assume that if they gave it out to the general public, or allowed it it be leaked, that it would be reliable? I would offer that this information would by any reasonable standards be suspect.

Let me ask you quantum, instead of making such a post did it occur to you to actually 'read' or investigate the source in question (David Wilcock's) work. Which, is both personally and scientifically impeccable.

And then, I see you have, let me answer one few of those questions you have proposed up there.

D) Quo are more open to challenge than Ra because the Law of One was channeled from an unconscious state which makes it unavailable to conscious interference. The only other channeling with this sort of degree of refinement is the original Edgar Cayce readings.

I once remember reading a Quo session where the spirit said that they aimed to get 70% of themselves and 30% of who they were speaking through. This was becasue they were having difficulty with the channel that wasn't participating enough or was blocking things.

E) Carla perhaps just prefers Quo, as a less scientific spirit. Also there is the question of whether she can channel Ra without going into unconsciousness and risking displacement.

It is worth mentioning that David and Carla used to live together, (If I remember correctly), and that they are fine with their differences.

Also, when David talked of the ascension as a sudden shift event, he may have changed his mind with any new data coming in. The 700 year argument has also been offset by that post by David, but by no means does that mean that anyone has to adopt the sudden view.

To be honest, I prefer the chaos of nobody knowing.

There is no reason why both can't be true from different points of view?