My Observation as the body being a vessel for the spirit

[Gribbons]

I perceive myself to be an old soul, and a 6th density wanderer. I'm only 23 years old, but I feel coming into this life I knew it would be a great challenge for me. I'm very tired of the lessons here, and the superficiality of our civilization. There are many good people here, don't get me wrong, but I feel, as it was mentioned in one my other threads, that we spiritually-aware, or awakened people, are spread out so far to serve as anchors of light for those who are lost in this darkness.

But, perhaps all of this grief just adds on to what I've been observing. I'm a very healthy person, 5'8" 130lbs, very light, ya know, but I feel my body can sometimes hardly carry itself. I'm very quick on my feet, but my left knee cracks nearly always when it's bent vertically; my right knee will crack some of the time when it is pivoted horizontally. My wrist has recently started cracking when shaking someones hand. My back is weak. I can sit up straight, but I've always been known to slouch no matter how hard I try and focus on keeping it straight. I can barely do crunches without my feet being held down by something. It's hard for me to meditate with my spine straight, unless I'm in a chair, and it's virtually impossible for me to get into the lotus position. And when I close my eyes in a position I'm comfortable in, I feel lopsided. Like there is more of "me" on the left side of my body, or that my spine is not perfectly between the two halves of me.

I need light energy to focus, get excited, be motivated, be proactive, be creative, be fun, smile, and enjoy life here. I've recently started sungazing, and the first time I did it, I could feel it altering my body. My brain, my nose, my throat, my chest, my stomach, I could feel changing or altering its vibration. I very much enjoy those feelings, and the fact that it came from something so beautiful and natural and right in front of us! Like a source I could see.

LoL I just thought it was funny. My spirit wants to accomplish so much here, but all this negativity and the circumstances in my life makes me feel so lazy in this chemical-body. It's a healthy body, but it's so heavy! I feel like I can only do so much with it. Bah! I wish I could just turn on the fan with my mind instead of walking to the other side of the room! hahaha

Can anybody else sympathize with this? I wish I met more people like ya'll around where I live. I could use good company during this struggle of mine. But we are where we are for a reason!

[Diana]

Hi Gribbons

Being here can certainly be challenging. One thing that may be missing in many who are wanderers or just focused on spiritual seeking: attention to the physical body. The physical body is necessary for you to be here. You are caretaker of it.

I would recommend that you do some sort of exercise like yoga, gi gong, or tai chi to bring your physical body into balance. This kind of exercise integrates and aligns the mind/body/spirit.

I try to stay focused on me. Even when being "of service," the focus can be the light you are emanating, rather than who you are emanating it to.

[Plenum]

Hi Gribbons,

if I can make some observations, and please excuse me if they come off as being too presumptuous:

* you sound like a good candidate for a raw vegan diet. Your body seems to thrive on the higher vibrations, and the food you may be eating may be contributing to that sense of heaviness.

* don't get too caught up in meditation postures. Ra offers this:

66.19 Questioner: Is a vertical positioning of the spine useful or helpful in the meditative procedure?

Ra: I am Ra. It is somewhat helpful.

and that is all you need to know. Sitting in a chair is no cop-out; this is mental work after all, and stilling the mind is what is of importance here; not if your knees are crossed at 90 degrees, or you are meditating with your legs behind your back. Irrelevant



does this help you reach God any faster??

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there was a time when I also sought spiritually minded people locally. It was a failed endeavour. We are way too scattered across the globe. The internet is what connects us now; mind to mind, soul to soul, story to story. And this place here is a hotbed for intensifying/purifying the higher vibrations.

I call Ra as a witness once more:

83.16 Questioner: Could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall state two items of note. The first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. Secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. Those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

and that's what keeps me going

[abstrktion]

Hi Gribbons,
I've found the greatest joy in stretching the limits of my abilities and energies to serve others (and this service doesn't have to be something unpleasant--use your natural talents). No one ever made themselves happy by sitting around wondering how to make themselves happy. My advice? Get out there and do something challenging for you, something that you can give your heart and soul to; accomplish something. Laugh at the failures and the successes!

We didn't come "here" just to sit around thinking about and longing for "there." Just my opinion...please disregard if you don't like it. But I can say I'm a lot happier and more grounded in my 40s than I was in my 20s...and I have a lot less "me" time.

Spiritual people are all around if you accept "spirituality" in a number of guises. I don't know anyone who's into Ra where I am, but one of my former students, who believes in the Bible as literal truth, has come to visit and even though I'm sure his doctrine is different from mine, I can feel the high vibe he radiates and I can see the light shining in his eyes. I find people all over with that light...even on airplanes! Be on the look-out! And let your own light shine so they can see you too!

[ninente]

Thank you to plenum for this:
"...there was a time when I also sought spiritually minded people locally. It was a failed endeavour. We are way too scattered across the globe. The internet is what connects us now..."

And to abstrktion for this, which I can do as well:
"Spiritual people are all around if you accept "spirituality" in a number of guises."

I have to tell you, I have been so lonely, spiritually, at times that it's almost done me in all by itself. I have never found anyone to "together seek" with as Ra puts it. I don't even know what that would be like. When I've thought I found someone, our paths veered off from each other's, often very soon after meeting, and the possibility was lost. I've concluded that this is part of the path I designed; nothing else to believe unless I want to become nihilistic.

Sorry this is way off topic, but it fit here and something made me come out with it.

What you said earlier, Gribbons, I experience as outright fatigue and pain:
"My spirit wants to accomplish so much here, but all this negativity and the circumstances in my life makes me feel so lazy in this chemical-body. It's a healthy body, but it's so heavy! I feel like I can only do so much with it."

I'm not a large person, so I often wondered why I felt so heavy - until I noticed that when I am truly in harmony and can feel the light within, I feel much lighter physically too. Physically I want to dance, but there's a spiritual pull to really go places with all this illumination I have, and that latter part usually wins! Yes, I neglect my body in this way, not giving it the exercise it needs.

[cosmicgiant]

I am the same Gribbons! I also 'look' healthy, but feel weak. I use bodybuilding to counteract this and when I do it for long enough I can feel it helping. Screw yoga and meditation!

[BrownEye]

does this help you reach God any faster??

Questioner: Then the black hole would be a point at which the environmental material has succeeded in uniting with unity or with the Creator? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The black hole which manifests third density is the physical complex manifestation of this spiritual or metaphysical state. This is correct.

Am I the only one finding humor in this?

[ninente]

Am I the only one finding humor in this?

Not at all! (explosive laugh)

[Steppingfeet]

Gribbons,

I've been attempting the discipline of daily meditation since 2002 (though lack of time, or fatigue, or the occasional hangover sometimes intervene). For years I didn't understand how people could sit upright and meditate on the ground. Though in a physically healthy body myself, attempting to sit upright on the floor was too much of a strain, and required way too much of my attention to maintain any sort of focus.

Sometime around 2006 I attended a workshop at the Omega Institute in New York where they have lots and lots of these: http://www.dharmacrafts.com/2zzset/Dharm...plies.html.

Two cushions, one called a zafu, the other a zabuton, allows you to sit with your but elevated above your knees and ankles. With this arrangement you can sit upright on the floor without back support with relative ease.

The instant I tried a zafu/zabuton it worked beautifully. I soon after purchased my own that I continue to use to this day. My sessions last anywhere from 30 - 45 minutes, and occasionally up to an hour. Once I set my position, my back never interferes with the meditation's focus. Would highly recommend.

Alternatively, these operate on the same principle and work well: http://www.dharmacrafts.com/100xMB/S7013...onomy.html. (You can find them cheaper or just build one yourself!)

About heaviness, this affects me as well. Like you, I have a (knock on wood) excellent physical complex, but a mind that weighs heavy with confusion and suffering, especially when taking into account this world's seeming state of affairs.

One thought to offer: there is a fundamental error, you might say, in the premise which says, "I should base my own joy, love, and light according to what is happening/not happening around me or in the world."

If we make our emotional well being and state of mind dependent on outer circumstances, we're setting ourselves up for failure, I think. No configuration of catalyst and circumstance will ever be perfectly to ones liking, and if it ever happens to configure itself just to ones liking, it will be fleeting and soon change.

Better it is, I think, to find the strength, the resolve, and the focus to greet the catalyst of the moment, no matter how it appears or how undesirable its outer appearance, with a disciplined attitude of love, acceptance, and appreciation; and cultivate a the capacity to witness whatever arises in the moment with equanimity.

Ask yourself not what your catalyst can do for you, but what you can do for your catalyst. (Thanks, JFK. ) In other words, instead of hoping for an arrangement of catalyst that creates pleasure/happiness, ask oneself what opportunities of service exist within the situation. Personally I think recognizing and experiencing the love already present in the moment is the meat of whatever service might be rendered.

: ) GLB

[TheFifty9Sound]

One thought to offer: there is a fundamental error, you might say, in the premise which says, "I should base my own joy, love, and light according to what is happening/not happening around me or in the world."

If we make our emotional well being and state of mind dependent on outer circumstances, we're setting ourselves up for failure, I think. No configuration of catalyst and circumstance will ever be perfectly to ones liking, and if it ever happens to configure itself just to ones liking, it will be fleeting and soon change.

Better it is, I think, to find the strength, the resolve, and the focus to greet the catalyst of the moment, no matter how it appears or how undesirable its outer appearance, with a disciplined attitude of love, acceptance, and appreciation; and cultivate a the capacity to witness whatever arises in the moment with equanimity.

This! ^^^^
I truly believe happiness is a choice. People just don't realize they can choose it.

I have to tell you, I have been so lonely, spiritually, at times that it's almost done me in all by itself. I have never found anyone to "together seek" with as Ra puts it. I don't even know what that would be like. When I've thought I found someone, our paths veered off from each other's, often very soon after meeting, and the possibility was lost. I've concluded that this is part of the path I designed; nothing else to believe unless I want to become nihilistic.

Don't think that if these people are walking in and out of your life, that they're not there for exactly as long as they need to be. You might meet someone you're only supposed to seek with for a day, or a week, or a month. Seeking is not nessisarily something that has to be done within the bonds of life long friendship.

[Liet]

From what you mentioned; Unmotivated/lazy and Joint/bone cracking are related to your solar plexus being very weak....
Sixth density and having solar plexus issues? that's unseen of beyond 4th (unless you plan to attain the solar plexus in a near future, which i suggest you do)
Eat more protein! not less.
Unless you make up for the lacking maskuline energies through ingestion, with meditation where you include the solar plexus as part of the whole or physical excercise.

Actively pushing the crown upwards strengthen the solar plexus to the same extent as running does.

[zenmaster]

Personally I think recognizing and experiencing the love already present in the moment is the meat of whatever service might be rendered.

or for vegan sensitivities, "fruit".

[abstrktion]

This is a great thread. Thanks Gibbons for starting it.

Here is something from a course of study (I believe it is called The Star and Cross)--if anyone feels that I shouldn't include it, please tell me and I will delete it:

"Every initiate, no matter what his grade, should constantly aspire to conscious contact with inner plane adepts. There is no need to wait for the development of psychism or special powers. You must realize that your own Higher Self is functioning on the same level as the inner plane adepts. Therefore the mechanism for contact already exists. Your task is to clear the channels between your Higher Self and your personality."

"The key to contact...is simple. There are two requirements only: one, a burning desire for such a contact; and two, like-mindedness...You must train your mind to think as an inner plane adept would think. You must approach problems in your life as from the viewpoint of an inner plane adept. You must try to take on their attitudes and attempt to realize their motivations."

"The signs of contact are unmistakable. There is always the strong sense of another individual in touch with your soul. There is always a feeling of purpose, direction and impetus, an exhilaration, followed by a great peace."

"First, self-control is required of you. This includes control of feeling as well as thought, speech, and action, and it must be so perfect that it is effortless. It is required of you to be completely impersonal in your relationships to others and to yourself. Identify yourself with your Higher Self and look upon your Personality as a tool to use--the persona or mask you present on the physical plane. Learn to look upon its vicissitudes as the training of the Path. Even as you know that death leads on to life so take not account of pain, for pain is power if you know how to use it, and when you suffer, power is placed in your hands. Strength is required of you..."

"My children, you do not come here to be helped: you come here to learn how to help...If you cannot stand upright on your feet unaided, how can you lift others? There is an integrity of the soul which is necessary for the pursuit of esoteric knowledge, for Truth blinds weak eyes. There is a courage needed to endure the discipline of the Mysteries--there is endurance needed to last the distance."

Strength seldom comes from dealing with ease. And this is a difficult path--a straight and narrow one. I think Gary encapsulated it beautifully in his comments about not waiting for circumstances to be "right" -- it is ourselves that we change. Even Ra said they were still working up the ladder of adepthood. Still, we can love each other though the hard parts--and it is difficult...to me, it essentially means releasing that which to most makes us "human"...are you (meaning people in general--not any one person on this forum) really sure you want to go there? Think of the sacrifices of those who walked that path. Did they have personal love? celebrity? lots of friends? did someone take care of them and help them?...and many met a rather violent end...

There is no shame in turning back into the world...but it may be that the souls of people searching here, being great and valiant, knew what they wanted to do--what they were capable of. We are strong and powerful, beautiful and majestic, we can do this. And we are a "group", like Plenum says. We're lucky to have the ability to connect across the internet. I am grateful for you all.

And on the subject of PROTEIN...I'm a vegetarian--can't stand the thought of eating meat anymore. But the new energies seem to require us to build muscle mass (I found a great channeling by Metatron on this if anyone is interested). I started walking up and down the hills around my house and this allowed some of it to be processed...hard core exercise is needed. Unfortunately, my current work schedule doesn't allow for that, still, I need extra protein. I use Metagenics Ultra Clear with a tub of Chobani yogurt, water, banana, and blueberries to get about 29-30 grams in the morning. I also try to eat at least one-two farm-raised, cruelty-free hard-boiled eggs a day. Oatmeal can provide another 6 grams, and then a hunk of cheese at some point. A glass of milk provides something like 10 grams for a glass. But dairy doesn't bother me like it does others. Anyways, I add to this a drop of Vitamin D, a minami brand fish oil (because it actually as enough DHA, EPA to take one a day), and B12. When I do this, I have an easier time staying upbeat.
I'm sure everyone else who's kicked depression, etc. has their own thing too. But I offer mine just in case it might be useful.

[Ashim]

This is a great thread. Thanks Gibbons for starting it.

Here is something from a course of study (I believe it is called The Star and Cross)--if anyone feels that I shouldn't include it, please tell me and I will delete it:

"Every initiate, no matter what his grade, should constantly aspire to conscious contact with inner plane adepts. There is no need to wait for the development of psychism or special powers. You must realize that your own Higher Self is functioning on the same level as the inner plane adepts. Therefore the mechanism for contact already exists. Your task is to clear the channels between your Higher Self and your personality."

"The key to contact...is simple. There are two requirements only: one, a burning desire for such a contact; and two, like-mindedness...You must train your mind to think as an inner plane adept would think. You must approach problems in your life as from the viewpoint of an inner plane adept. You must try to take on their attitudes and attempt to realize their motivations."

"The signs of contact are unmistakable. There is always the strong sense of another individual in touch with your soul. There is always a feeling of purpose, direction and impetus, an exhilaration, followed by a great peace."

"First, self-control is required of you. This includes control of feeling as well as thought, speech, and action, and it must be so perfect that it is effortless. It is required of you to be completely impersonal in your relationships to others and to yourself. Identify yourself with your Higher Self and look upon your Personality as a tool to use--the persona or mask you present on the physical plane. Learn to look upon its vicissitudes as the training of the Path. Even as you know that death leads on to life so take not account of pain, for pain is power if you know how to use it, and when you suffer, power is placed in your hands. Strength is required of you..."

"My children, you do not come here to be helped: you come here to learn how to help...If you cannot stand upright on your feet unaided, how can you lift others? There is an integrity of the soul which is necessary for the pursuit of esoteric knowledge, for Truth blinds weak eyes. There is a courage needed to endure the discipline of the Mysteries--there is endurance needed to last the distance."

Strength seldom comes from dealing with ease. And this is a difficult path--a straight and narrow one. I think Gary encapsulated it beautifully in his comments about not waiting for circumstances to be "right" -- it is ourselves that we change. Even Ra said they were still working up the ladder of adepthood. Still, we can love each other though the hard parts--and it is difficult...to me, it essentially means releasing that which to most makes us "human"...are you (meaning people in general--not any one person on this forum) really sure you want to go there? Think of the sacrifices of those who walked that path. Did they have personal love? celebrity? lots of friends? did someone take care of them and help them?...and many met a rather violent end...

There is no shame in turning back into the world...but it may be that the souls of people searching here, being great and valiant, knew what they wanted to do--what they were capable of. We are strong and powerful, beautiful and majestic, we can do this. And we are a "group", like Plenum says. We're lucky to have the ability to connect across the internet. I am grateful for you all.

And on the subject of PROTEIN...I'm a vegetarian--can't stand the thought of eating meat anymore. But the new energies seem to require us to build muscle mass (I found a great channeling by Metatron on this if anyone is interested). I started walking up and down the hills around my house and this allowed some of it to be processed...hard core exercise is needed. Unfortunately, my current work schedule doesn't allow for that, still, I need extra protein. I use Metagenics Ultra Clear with a tub of Chobani yogurt, water, banana, and blueberries to get about 29-30 grams in the morning. I also try to eat at least one-two farm-raised, cruelty-free hard-boiled eggs a day. Oatmeal can provide another 6 grams, and then a hunk of cheese at some point. A glass of milk provides something like 10 grams for a glass. But dairy doesn't bother me like it does others. Anyways, I add to this a drop of Vitamin D, a minami brand fish oil (because it actually as enough DHA, EPA to take one a day), and B12. When I do this, I have an easier time staying upbeat.
I'm sure everyone else who's kicked depression, etc. has their own thing too. But I offer mine just in case it might be useful.

Star, like, bump, nudge nudge wink wink
Questions of the heart reap such wonderful rewards.

[abstrktion]

@ Ashim...HA! I NEVER thought of that! Wow. Feeling a little dumb here...I started that course a very long time ago (it was a 3 -year course that took me, oh, 30 years to "live" out in my life!) and I never put 2 and 2 together!...LMAO....

[cosmicgiant]

Ya, what Metatron said...Bodybuilding is the way. Why fart around with building your muscles if that is what you are after?