David Wilcock

[kylissa]

Consider this quote, from session 45:

Questioner: Can you tell me if a large percentage of the Wanderers here now are those of Ra?

Ra: I am Ra. I can.

Questioner: Are they?

Ra: I am Ra. A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis. All are sixth density and all brother and sister groups due to the unified feeling that as we had been aided by shapes such as the pyramid, so we could aid your peoples.

Oh wow neat, somehow I didn't catch that q/a, that's the info I was missing! I read too fast sometimes and skip important stuff, grr. It's a comforting feeling that there are some 'Ra souls' living alongside us helping us to ascend, and in that case David W. is a top candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of the people on this site were too!

Maybe Ra meant in that quote that they are not here in their sixth-density form, as they were when they came to the Egyptians.

Thanks for the input. I can see the difference now, there is the 6D light being type of incarnation and the wanderer soul incarnation, two different things.

[Peregrinus]

No wonder Ra resonates with me as pure and simple truth. I don't believe it, I know it.

I think one could study the LOO materials for years before being able to get all the pertinent parts in respect to quoting at times. I already can quote from several places, but as you all have noticed, it is often we overlook important parts of the puzzle until the hole needs to be filled, and then we find the one particular piece that does so.

[ExperiencedGhost]

May I add or change the conversation a little bit ?
David W. is a controversial subject indeed. I have been reading a bit of his work also and I must admit I learned about the channelings with Ra on his website. But this is not what I want to talk about.
I have wrote to him a couple of times and gave him some information about the ship known of the Philadelphia Project. I do felt that he doesn't like you to tell an other opinion than his.
I want to talk about a whole other ball game. It can be discovered with persons such as both Clintons, Bushes, Alex Jones, David Icke, members of the britisch royal family and others such as David Wilcock. Can you guess allready ? Reptile eyes. I began lately to look around me and to look for the same fenomenon to occur with common people. Just to see if this is a general thing but I have no results yet.
During an interview that D.W. had with projectcamelot.org it is noticible that he is showing those infamous reptile eyes. Does this means that he is a disinfoagent ? Problably not. If the majority of the people is an ascendant of one of the earlier result of DNA-engeneering by the hand of the Annunaki, than it would be acceptable that people who are in the spotlights are more known to have those eyes because we are so focused on them. An other fact is troubling me thought, this is the masonic sign of the piramid. Just like an american rapper does this all the time appearently : http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/listen...3/jayz.jpg
When you look at one of the first pictures of David W. you can notice him doing the same sign : http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/u...ilcock.JPG

As you know many disinfoagents are working from within and that's why they managed to destroy the UFO-community in the 70's. Just one example : Billy Meier. Before you are going to jump up be sure that your thought is indeed yours and not implanted from the many negative criticism towards Meier.
Could it be that D.W. is only distracting us from something else ? Just like me he is an intuitive person and even if he is still us bringing wanderfull things on a plate, he seem to avoid something and I can't put my finger on it !

Nothing to do with this but he never replied to my several emails where I said I subtitled his 2012 Enigma with dutch language. I never had a response, neither had I a response from the projectcamelot website for the subtitling of Boriska.

[Monica]

May I add or change the conversation a little bit ?

Of course you can!

David W. is a controversial subject indeed.

Indeed he is! (Hence, this thread!)

I have been reading a bit of his work also and I must admit I learned about the channelings with Ra on his website.

As have many!

I want to talk about a whole other ball game. It can be discovered with persons such as both Clintons, Bushes, Alex Jones, David Icke, members of the britisch royal family and others such as David Wilcock. Can you guess allready ? Reptile eyes.

I'd heard of this but had never seen it. So, out of sheer curiosity, I did a search, and found some videos of GW & Laura Bush...sho 'nuff, their eyes had a distinictive slit in them!

But, to be honest, the videos looked rather fake to me. The slit in the eyes too dark as compared to the rest of the video footage...even my husband noticed that right off (without me telling him anything). We both concluded that the videos looked doctored.

That's not to say that there aren't really STS aliens working behind the scenes and influencing political leaders. Undoubtedly there are! But I personally am unconvinced that they can be identified by their physical eyes on videos. Lighting, and of course retouching, can affect how the video looks.

And, more importantly, as Wanderers we know that our souls inhabit human bodies...and we don't have any telltale physical characteristics. So why should the STS entities? It seems to me that STS entities would inhabit fully human bodies just like STO entities...so I don't see any reason that their eyes would look any different. It's their souls that matter...and their souls can inhabit bodies...I could be wrong, and I admit I haven't had the interest to research the issue of reptilian aliens...but based on what I've read in the Law of One, I just don't quite get it. It doesn't make sense to me that they would necessarily give themselves away with such obvious physical characteristics.

So yeah, I guess I'm questioning the whole premise.

During an interview that D.W. had with projectcamelot.org it is noticible that he is showing those infamous reptile eyes.

David Wilcock a reptilian alien??? Wow, that's a first for me! I've honestly never heard that idea before! I mean, I know a lot of people disagree with his conclusions about whether the Shift will be sudden or gradual, and some might not like his personality, but it's just never entered my mind that he could be an 'evil' alien!

My initial reaction is one of shock and disbelief. I just don't see it! GW Bush, sure. But David Wilcock? I would have to respectfully disagree with you.

Does this means that he is a disinfoagent ? Problably not. If the majority of the people is an ascendant of one of the earlier result of DNA-engeneering by the hand of the Annunaki,

Please pardon my ignorance, but you've lost me here. I've heard the term but I'm not really familiar with it. Is that from the Cassiopaeans?

Again, respectfully, I would question the premise. I've read some of those books about bloodlines and such but never really resonated with them. Maybe because I have past life memories of being of various ethnicities. I tend to not take bloodline stuff too seriously. But that's just me. I am open to changing my mind on that. So far, I have questioned such ideas...because my current way of thinking is that a soul can inhabit whatever body it needs for its development. So I tend to downplay theories that have to do with power being passed on via physical genetics.

If there is a basis for this concept in the Law of One, can someone please point me to it? Again, I am open to changing my mind!

than it would be acceptable that people who are in the spotlights are more known to have those eyes because we are so focused on them.

OK this is a really dumb question, but why do only some of the videos show the slitted eyes? Why aren't the eyes like that all the time?

When you look at one of the first pictures of David W. you can notice him doing the same sign

I have a brother-in-law who is a, um, basic model redneck, pardon the offense. And he is fond of sitting with his beer on the table and his hands in exactly that position. I can't quite grasp the idea of this guy knowing anything esoteric at all! I can't help but wonder if it isn't just a comfortable hand position for guys drinking beer.

Before you are going to jump up be sure that your thought is indeed yours and not implanted from the many negative criticism towards Meier.

I definitely agree that many people might be somewhat brainwashed, but I have a different theory as to why that is. I think it's because they are drugged. Think about it...so many people pop multiple pills every day just to function. Add to that all the chemicals in the food, air and water!

However, I think all those influences can be overcome! Anyone with enough presence of mind to even wonder whether their thoughts are indeed their own, is probably conscious enough to not be brainwashed!

Could it be that D.W. is only distracting us from something else ? Just like me he is an intuitive person and even if he is still us bringing wanderfull things on a plate, he seem to avoid something and I can't put my finger on it !

Well, it could be that he's just simply human (Wanderer or not!) and not perfect...he's doing his thing and offering his stuff...and his stuff has some great ideas and some ideas some of us might not resonate with...hey, that pretty much describes you and me and everyone else here at B4!

Nothing to do with this but he never replied to my several emails where I said I subtitled his 2012 Enigma with dutch language. I never had a response, neither had I a response from the projectcamelot website for the subtitling of Boriska.

Maybe he doesn't read Dutch...?

[ExperiencedGhost]

Hey, nice responses ! But I do write english in here (some faults... but who cares) so why should I write in dutch to D.W. and to the projectcamelot ? He could have said "hey thanks !"
Reading your comments I noticed I wrote "ascended" instead of "descended"... funny !
- I do think that a soul can inhabit any body for his developement.
- About the bloodlines... each president (I think not 2) are related to european royalties. And they can be traced back to Rome-> Egypte->Sumeria. With this I meant the Annunaki who were the "gods" that engeneered our DNA, Enki was the name of that Annunaki. I do forgot the details about that because I do not find that important. An deceased familymember long before my birth has investigated and found our familybloodline, what I want to say is that she traced it back to a belgian king albert 1 (born 1875, died 1934). Ons of his famous escapades ! So that would make me family of royalty isn't ? And between then and now some other thousand (?) people or more. But me reptillian too ? No way ! And I could tell you something very horrible about how cold blooded they are ! (not liturally) Right from the Belgian side !
Those royalties believes they have the inherited right to rule over the earth and that they are superior to the common folks. That's why those royalties are breeding amongs each other so the special bloodline would not fade away by mixed blood.

About D.W. and his eyes : just a noticible glimp of it at 05:42 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...1869233020# You can liturally see his eyes changing to a normal state. Or you denie ir or you don't. If you watch long enough you see it changing many times, watch full screen. But just as I told that problably many people would have that split eyes effect sometimes. Do not forget that we have all a repitillian part in our brain as wel ! So...

Just for fun, my next subtitled video will be about the mayans, their gathering with more then 60 people worldwide. I'll make a special video myself out of others but from the same source. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq3s0u73Oes It becomes interesting in later video's.

[litllady]

Hello

This is my first post here...I am so glad to of found 'here'.

My thoughts on David's channeling and Carla's. I weigh and sift the thought that they both seem to look at the man 'Jesus' a little differently. I give more credence to Carla's channeling because it was sought out for different reasons then David's channeling (impo). Carla mentioned the importance of '3' people to channel-the one who is the instrument, the one who is the questioner, and the scribe. Doesnt the ol saying go...when there is 2 or more the power will be stronger (something like that).

With saying that I think Davids intentions are of service to others most defiantly...but I think Carla's ratio of service to others is higher. I still love reading all of Davids stuff and love the way he tries to work science into everything.

Sorry if someone else already mentioned the importance of the '3'. I cant really read through 20 plus pages.

My best to all

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OH MY GOODNESS....

This forum has automatic posting!

I have found my heaven!

[ExperiencedGhost]

When D.W.'s movie will be finished I'll watch that. The things he has to say are discoveries from other persons that see the light of the day. Other wise it would stay unknown.

[Peregrinus]

This is my first post here...I am so glad to of found 'here'.

Welcome to these forums I've seen you over at DC too.

My thoughts on David's channeling and Carla's. I weigh and sift the thought that they both seem to look at the man 'Jesus' a little differently. I give more credence to Carla's channeling because it was sought out for different reasons then David's channeling (impo). Carla mentioned the importance of '3' people to channel-the one who is the instrument, the one who is the questioner, and the scribe. Doesnt the ol saying go...when there is 2 or more the power will be stronger (something like that).

How do you know David is by himself? I highly doubt he channels alone, as he does have a very tight group of close friends, people he has been with since college. I believe you are referring to "doubling" when speaking about 2 or more.

With saying that I think Davids intentions are of service to others most defiantly...but I think Carla's ratio of service to others is higher.

I don't understand judging on "ratio service is higher", and does it truly matter, as long as each is working in service of other-selves? Each of us has our own part to play. Each of them simply plays their part, as do you and I. ...and yes, I agree, Carla is a saint, though if you were to ask her she would argue that fact highly.

This forum has automatic posting!

I agree. I do not understand the controlling/censoring nature of the DC forums. It seems to me to go against the idea of free will. I can understand initial moderation for spammers, but after a certain number of posts one shouldn't have to still be so heavily moderated/controlled/censored.

Again, welcome to these forums, where the LOO is in practice, and not just given lip service.

[litllady]

I wanted to come back to this thread and comment a little more. Its just something I need to do for my thoughts. When I feel like I am not telling what I should tell...then I feel a knot in me. Its nothing bad...but it is and has been a huge part of my journey. So before I hop over to the other forum that allows us here to share our experiences of our wandering path....I am going to 'wrap' up something that has been very personal to me over these last few years. Its not so much for others I do this...but something for me, as it has brought me struggle and joy.

I feel apone Davids work in 2007 and it was like luck that I found his videos. Through his videos, I could feel his vibration as a person and it was a beautiful vibration. I think he was on a great path for others at that time. He conversed with me a few times through email...but my questions were many...so I decided that joining Divine Cosmos forum was the only thing for me to do.

All of the Law of One came a little later, I was busy reading 'Science of Peace' and some other goodies that were on the site in 2007. I read alot of the Law of One through the first half of 2008. Some really strange things began to happen in my life (Ill have to put that story in the other forum!). Something in me told me I was there at DC for a reason though. This made me bonk heads with my own self because the forum there is strictly moderated and my growing new vibration was feeling like it was being pushed down when my posts were refused or changed. I tolerated this....I loved all the members there at DC (I will always love them all and I hope some of them make it here). But the more weirder my life got, the more sure I was that whatever I had been learning and understanding was likely the cause of these strange things (they seem like time slips, other dimensions/other me's converging with my time now...its hard to explain).

Now granted....DC was very kind to me, I do have over 200 some posts there. I kept my name I used at DC and am using it here...so if I run across any DC members...they will recognize me. What is interesting about my time there...is that I was able to share some very precious moments about me and my family there (which I will also do here) and I knew there, it was protected. I Knew the mods werent going to allow any negative comments in about the experiences or deep things I shared of myself. Over time, watching my posts, one can see my path I walked and I am thankful I had DC to do that.

Early in 2008, I made a couple threads that were heavily looked at and either reconfigured or not allowed to be posted. My inner me said ENOUGH> I also went to a thread that talked about the moderation of DC and basically said to them all...I love you...but it is wrong with restricting 'wanders'....who are needing that outlet to converse and talk with a even flow (sometimes it takes a whole day before a post makes the board). People have asked them to make a section with open posting....but I think they are afraid it would get filled with negative junk. Its because David puts himself out there...and for people that dont agree with his line of thought....you have religious people calling him Satan and living in fear of him. Im in the opinion though....the group at DC would fend off any negative vibrations from rude posters just fine...but DC doesnt want to have to waste time fending off negative posts...so they moderate everything making the flow of conversing very bumpy.

I was very sad leaving the Divine Cosmos forum, it was the only place I had to talk with people of my own nature. I had just started a thread there right before I left and it was a thread that I know they had to really consider before allowing...it was called 'Astrological Observations'...and btw...that was the name they gave it, they changed the title I had on it...but any who.....I was excited to start that thread...for it was the center piece of where my experiences seemed to of came from....which was observing the stars.

BUT.....like all things that seem 'negative'....this leave allowed me to join some 'Lion Den' forums like ATS to share my story with others again. I knew before posting there I had to prepare for the fact that I didnt have mods protecting me from negative feedback. But it all went really well! I got my videos out to the public and shared with other people that werent so much 'looking' for such stories and I feel that my light did shine there and did make some people go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Also at ATS...I was able to hash out alot of anger and feelings I had from being raised a orthodox christian...I discussed with others how God can be only love and make them scrutinize the path they were walking. This was something I needed to do for my inner past self.

AHHHH.....here comes the wrap up....did I tell you all yet that I ramble...?

Well I do. Please forgive.

So while I have been away from DC...my life still have awesome things going on that couldnt be explained by a book or even science. Just a few days ago, I had logged back in to DC to check on my last thread I had started there. I ended up logging in and responded to a few posts that were on my thread. Then out of no where....I fell 'here'. The feelings were so overwhelming....for as much as I had missed the people at DC...I didnt want to take the chance of making a post and then returning the next day to of came back and then be shot down. The uneasy feelings I had the few recent days I posted there were enough to remind me of how this 'feeling' of uneasiness actually effected my vibration in my seeking the one I have always sought for....the Holy Spirit of all.

When I found this forum, I was on the verge of crying all day yesterday. I called my mom and shared my joys with her (she is my real life confidon). Then, as luck had it yesterday, I logged back in later and was just in time to ask Carla a question! WOW....what do I ask. Ya know what I did ask...? It was a question for another self...someone had asked me a question the other day at DC in my astrology thread about the archytypes....so I thought, this is the perfect way to begin my path here at 'Bringforththelight' by asking a question for another self! I then took the answers back to DC and posted them in the mail to the one who was asking the question and told her I would post the transcript for her when it was posted.

As much as I love the people there...my spirit was restricted....and that is the LAST thing a spirit needs while growing. When returning there the other day...I thought....I really dont want to come back and take that chance again of being so scrutinised. The timing of 'falling' here was.....PERFECT. It seemed my path was all meant to be just the way it was. And....I feel that this site...will be my rest.

If anyone is here from DC....I am the same litllady from there. I kept my name from there for this very reason.

I wish the best for David...but his path has had some strange curves lately. Im sure its all meant to be for him, whatever way go goes. But I do worry because I care and love him as another self.

Like I said earlier...this post is more for my thoughts, for my movements (wanderings) and transitions from place. I love everyone at DC and I love everyone here (I dont have to know you to love you!). I am so happy to be 'here'.

Peace to all!
Love Lynette

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This is my first post here...I am so glad to of found 'here'.

Welcome to these forums I've seen you over at DC too.

My thoughts on David's channeling and Carla's. I weigh and sift the thought that they both seem to look at the man 'Jesus' a little differently. I give more credence to Carla's channeling because it was sought out for different reasons then David's channeling (impo). Carla mentioned the importance of '3' people to channel-the one who is the instrument, the one who is the questioner, and the scribe. Doesnt the ol saying go...when there is 2 or more the power will be stronger (something like that).

How do you know David is by himself? I highly doubt he channels alone, as he does have a very tight group of close friends, people he has been with since college. I believe you are referring to "doubling" when speaking about 2 or more.

With saying that I think Davids intentions are of service to others most defiantly...but I think Carla's ratio of service to others is higher.

I don't understand judging on "ratio service is higher", and does it truly matter, as long as each is working in service of other-selves? Each of us has our own part to play. Each of them simply plays their part, as do you and I. ...and yes, I agree, Carla is a saint, though if you were to ask her she would argue that fact highly.

This forum has automatic posting!

I agree. I do not understand the controlling/censoring nature of the DC forums. It seems to me to go against the idea of free will. I can understand initial moderation for spammers, but after a certain number of posts one shouldn't have to still be so heavily moderated/controlled/censored.

Again, welcome to these forums, where the LOO is in practice, and not just given lip service.

Thank you so for the welcome!

My post did sit a little uneasy with me for I dont like to seem to be 'judging' anyone. The reasons I say David was likely to not be using the same technique that involves a 'questioner, a scribe, and a instrument' is because he claims to channel his higher self...so all he would need (in my mind of thinking) is his own self. My thought with that is....he will only receive information that he is ready for and may be distorted with the fact that he will only receive what he is ready for. I think its possible more so with Davids channeling that his own wishes and desires may also distort his channeling, since it is his own 'higher self'.

This is just opinion...I love David very much and have had great talks with him. As hard as it is to express a 'feeling' that others might not like or understand, its still a process of my growth of 'sorting' out my path and allowing influences into my life.

David was a enourmous influence with me...and it was because of him I found people of my nature and found the LOO.

Im not trying to judge...though it may come across that way when we all express 'opinions'. I hope that my opinions come from my intuition....and I would love to see David get on a path that is more sharing himself with others in a way that is afordable. He talks of how tough times are but then keeps having these confereneces that cost alot of money. I guess its the only way he can keep doing what he is doing and get by in this world.

Any which way, David was definatly a part of my path. Im not so much putting to rest what I learned from DC....but I hope I am moving on to allowing my vibration to become more pure in service of others.

I hope that makes sense....I also try to think when I write about someone....that it is something that I can be comfortable with if I had to be face to face with them as they read what I write. I have expressed these feelings directly to David over the years in email...in a caring way, of just expressing my worries.

Ill stop there for now....Ill wrap it up with saying I think David is on a path that is needed for his own growth and self. I respect it, and believe in 'to each their own'.

Here...I hope to really study the LOO in a more serious manner. I think its time for me to do this and I feel that I am now in the right place to do this.

Love Lynette

[Monica]

I am going to 'wrap' up something that has been very personal to me over these last few years. Its not so much for others I do this...but something for me, as it has brought me struggle and joy.

Hi Lynette! Welcome to Bring4th! Thank for sharing your experience! You have done so beautifully and with love! As I read your story, I felt the sincerity and love pouring forth.

Some really strange things began to happen in my life (Ill have to put that story in the other forum!).

I would love to hear more of your story! (As I'm sure others would too.) Please feel free to post a more detailed account in our Wanderer Stories sub-forum if you wish.

...the forum there is strictly moderated and my growing new vibration was feeling like it was being pushed down when my posts were refused or changed. I tolerated this....I loved all the members there at DC

I was a 'backup' mod, back when it was asc2k, for a very short while a few years ago. I left because I wasn't comfortable with the level of moderation/censorship. I know of some others who left for the same reason. I still have some friends over at DC whom I keep in touch with...and I still lurk there occasionally, though I've never joined as a member when it changed from asc2k to DC. Evidently DW feels the tight moderation is important. From what I understand, tight moderation is actually common at private forums. Some of my Christian friends told me that their forums are like that. Every post is scrutinized and anything not in alignment with their mission is censored. For example, in my friend's Christian forum, someone would not be allowed to voice a differing opinion about a belief outside their accepted beliefs...like, for example, reincarnation. If I were to join their Christian forum and say I believed in reincarnation, my statement would get censored. Evidently it's common practice for the private religious forums.

People have asked them to make a section with open posting....but I think they are afraid it would get filled with negative junk. Its because David puts himself out there...and for people that dont agree with his line of thought....you have religious people calling him Satan and living in fear of him. Im in the opinion though....the group at DC would fend off any negative vibrations from rude posters just fine...but DC doesnt want to have to waste time fending off negative posts...so they moderate everything making the flow of conversing very bumpy.

I can understand that it must be very difficult dealing with the religious people who think he's 'satan.' I've been called that myself, on some discussion forums, just because I admitted that I find pieces of the truth in many various religions! And I'm not even famous!!!

When I was there (if I remember correctly), I think some of the established members were allowed to post without being on 'moderator' status. Perhaps they've changed their policy since I left.

BUT.....like all things that seem 'negative'....this leave allowed me to join some 'Lion Den' forums like ATS to share my story with others again. I knew before posting there I had to prepare for the fact that I didnt have mods protecting me from negative feedback. But it all went really well!

I'm not familiar with that forum. Is 'Lion Den' the actual name, or are you just describing it because of the level of attacks at those kinds of forums? Glad to hear it went well! Sounds like that turned out to be an empowering experience for you!

Also at ATS...I was able to hash out alot of anger and feelings I had from being raised a orthodox christian...I discussed with others how God can be only love and make them scrutinize the path they were walking. This was something I needed to do for my inner past self.

Oh wow, I've had the same experience on another forum, some time back. It was quite an experience! Some people called me 'satanic' while others thanked me for opening their minds about beliefs they had always taken for granted. It was a public forum and therefore unmoderated. Those forums can be brutal! A lot of hostility from people just from disagreement. I wasn't there very long...it was too ugly! So I left.

After that experience, I can understand that DW wants to avoid that sort of ugliness. Perhaps there is a middle ground between censorship and a total free-for-all?

...did I tell you all yet that I ramble...?

That's ok! Many of us do! But we love it!

Well I do. Please forgive.

Nothing to forgive!

When I found this forum, I was on the verge of crying all day yesterday. I called my mom and shared my joys with her (she is my real life confidon). Then, as luck had it yesterday, I logged back in later and was just in time to ask Carla a question!

That's so cool! I'm so glad you found us!

As much as I love the people there...my spirit was restricted....and that is the LAST thing a spirit needs while growing.

I understand.

When returning there the other day...I thought....I really dont want to come back and take that chance again of being so scrutinised. The timing of 'falling' here was.....PERFECT. It seemed my path was all meant to be just the way it was. And....I feel that this site...will be my rest.

We're pretty open here. We do reserve the right to edit or delete a post if it's really negative, but I've almost never had to do that. Maybe once or twice in 11 months! The most I ever do, usually, is sometimes move a thread to a different (more appropriate) location, ie. sub-forum. Or I might occasionally merge some threads if they are of the same topic. But I almost never edit any actual text, and if I do, I notify the person of the reason. Even so, as I said, this (editing) has happened only a couple of times. We have deleted a thread maybe 2-3 times because the content was against forum guidelines, and that decision was weighed out verrrrrrrry carefully. We don't take any sort of editing lightly at all! I often marvel at how awesome everyone here is, and how positive and uplifting all the posts are. It's very, very rare that there's even a hint of negativity, and if there is, usually the other members elevate it to positive.

I wish the best for David...

I do as well! I think most of us here all wish him the best. I am very grateful for the fantastic compilations of scientific data he has put together, and still refer people to his works.

(I dont have to know you to love you!). I am so happy to be 'here'.

We love you too! And are happy you're here!

[transiten]

Hello Lynette, Liliane the transit here!

Your post struck a chord in me and i now can freely admit the feeling of restriction and rejection i've been experiencing from some of the mods on DC that of course stems also from David himself who i dearly respect but of lately have some problems to relate to. I thought it might only be my own unresolved emotional issues but no. This has all the same been a great catalyst for me. I have made some wonderful friends though on DC that i will stay in contact with including one of the mods and i will pop in now and then.

I will feel my way here and try to take it easy...not an easy thing for me to do but perhaps when one doesn't feel restricted things will change. I can truly feel the sun has just moved into sagittarius, what a relief for a plutonic scorpio like me

Pleased to see several avatars from DC here

[litllady]

Its great to meet you...Im embracing your warm response, something I have been working on is being able to accept the love in return!

I will most definalty be filling up some posts here, I might even just copy and paste some ol threads I have made when sharing the experience as it was happening in real time, which is why I think I was to be at Divine Cosmos during that time of my life. A place to document thoughts and events that were happening....with a group of light and love beings that could unconsciously (and consciously) protect it all while it unfolded.

The last few years...and some moments before that...have been huge for me as well as it seems to be a family thing for all my loved ones (with different perspectives of course). That is what I am truly grateful for...I believe I have incarnated with others that agreed to come here together in hopes to be eachothers catalyst and love at the same time.

Ive been reading alot of your posts...Im loving it all...soaking up the sun is what I feel I have been doing since I found this site.

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Hello Lynette, Liliane the transit here!

Your post struck a chord in me and i now can freely admit the feeling of restriction and rejection i've been experiencing from some of the mods on DC that of course stems also from David himself who i dearly respect but of lately have some problems to relate to. I thought it might only be my own unresolved emotional issues but no. This has all the same been a great catalyst for me. I have made some wonderful friends though on DC that i will stay in contact with including one of the mods and i will pop in now and then.

I will feel my way here and try to take it easy...not an easy thing for me to do but perhaps when one doesn't feel restricted things will change. I can truly feel the sun has just moved into sagittarius, what a relief for a plutonic scorpio like me

Pleased to see several avatars from DC here

I feel the same...it has all been a great catalyst. Since I 'kinda' left Divine Cosmos back in April of this year (around that time) I have felt like I reclused away from me associating with the others that carried the nature I was so attracted to at DC. I would still read there as a 'lurker'...but that since of being a part of those others became tainted somewhat....

I kinda feel like I have taken flight again after walking on the ground for a while.

All my love to you
Lynette

And to see my posts appear right after I post them is just so wonderful!

[Lorna]

Hi Lynette & Liliane
I remember you both well from when I used to frequent DC and I very much enjoyed reading your posts. I'm very glad you've found bring4th and I'm looking forward to reading your contributions
Lorna

[litllady]

Hi Lynette & Liliane
I remember you both well from when I used to frequent DC and I very much enjoyed reading your posts. I'm very glad you've found bring4th and I'm looking forward to reading your contributions
Lorna

Im just loving this crossing of past paths to today crossings.

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Hi Lynette & Liliane
I remember you both well from when I used to frequent DC and I very much enjoyed reading your posts. I'm very glad you've found bring4th and I'm looking forward to reading your contributions
Lorna

Im just loving this crossing of past paths to today crossings.

Hi! time is 01.11 AM heree in Sweden...

...and of course according to the true solarzodiac as you pointed out Lynette the sun will enter scorpio for 7 days today....

Goodnight from transiten

[Peregrinus]

He conversed with me a few times through email...but my questions were many...so I decided that joining Divine Cosmos forum was the only thing for me to do.

Consider yourself lucky He has never answered an email of mine.

Something in me told me I was there at DC for a reason though.

You are right. You were there as part of the path. It appears many have taken the same path, from there to here.

I was very sad leaving the Divine Cosmos forum,

May I ask why you left? Why cannot you take the best from each? I still post there, as having two viewpoints is always better than one. In my estimation, that forum has it's advantages, just as this one does. I choose each for the best, and the allow the rest to fall away

Please forgive.

In order to fogive someone something, they must do something wrong. You did nothing of the sort. You are therefore not forgiven for what you did not do wrong

As much as I love the people there...my spirit was restricted....and that is the LAST thing a spirit needs while growing. When returning there the other day...I thought....I really dont want to come back and take that chance again of being so scrutinised. The timing of 'falling' here was.....PERFECT. It seemed my path was all meant to be just the way it was. And....I feel that this site...will be my rest.

Like I said earlier...this post is more for my thoughts, for my movements (wanderings) and transitions from place. I love everyone at DC and I love everyone here (I dont have to know you to love you!). I am so happy to be 'here'.

...as we are so very happy to have you

My post did sit a little uneasy with me for I dont like to seem to be 'judging' anyone. The reasons I say David was likely to not be using the same technique that involves a 'questioner, a scribe, and a instrument' is because he claims to channel his higher self...so all he would need (in my mind of thinking) is his own self. My thought with that is....he will only receive information that he is ready for and may be distorted with the fact that he will only receive what he is ready for. I think its possible more so with Davids channeling that his own wishes and desires may also distort his channeling, since it is his own 'higher self'.

I can't comment, but again, channeling can be dangerous, so channeling, even ones higher self, is best done with 3. I am sure David does understand this. He does not appear to me to be one who takes chances.

Im not trying to judge...though it may come across that way when we all express 'opinions'. I hope that my opinions come from my intuition....and I would love to see David get on a path that is more sharing himself with others in a way that is affordable. He talks of how tough times are but then keeps having these conferences that cost alot of money. I guess its the only way he can keep doing what he is doing and get by in this world.

I also don't understand how and why he does things the way he does, but I am happy for him that it works for him.

I hope that makes sense....I also try to think when I write about someone....that it is something that I can be comfortable with if I had to be face to face with them as they read what I write. I have expressed these feelings directly to David over the years in email...in a caring way, of just expressing my worries.

This is a great skill you possess. Believe me, it is not an inherent trait.

Here...I hope to really study the LOO in a more serious manner. I think its time for me to do this and I feel that I am now in the right place to do this.

As you know, this forum has an inside track on that

[litllady]

Hello!

Wonderful meeting you! A welcome that made me smile and laugh (cuz u wouldnt forgive!) *grins*

All I can really say to wrap up my path of here and there and everywhere....is that I do have reasons in that which I make a choice. We all have different experiences and that creates different responses from us all in emotions and actions.

Mabey its my personality type....mabeys its the full time mother and care taker in me....who says....I dont have the time to write a post or thread full of myself to have it dumped after a day OR two of 'waiting' for approval. Im a nice person, it wasnt negativity they were restricting me from...it was more or less things I think some mods felt that were a waste of DC space.

After that bothered me, I just kept seeing David being wrapped up in himself. Yes this is an opinion but also personal intuition...which is why I am ok with it...leaving there that is. I find it so ironic after about 6 months of me missing my DC group that I broke down and posted there the other day...but then found here. For me, it just feels right...because slowly, there...wasnt feeling right...for me.

I never really left, I go there a few times a week and read as a guest. Ive grown good with that...it doesnt put my in the spot to possiblly feel frustration over a post. For my personality, the posting system here just will work much better for me and my busy run around life.

I can remember David telling me once, in my frustrations...'well mabey its just not for you...and something about that sense I was in a life that required me to be a multitasker...that I would have more trouble 'getting' the Law of One. (this wasnt in a bad way, it actually was some of the best steps me gave me, because he taught that sense I had this busy life....it would be all the more harder to learn how to quite my mind.

So although I dont choose to post (with a few exceptions recently)....I really dont see me continuing that. It has brought me uneasy feelings in the past...and I dont see the need to put myself up for that, ya know.

It has been very personal to me, David helped me in alot of ways. I think he knows that if he needed a place to call on someone for help in good ol Alabama....I think he knows, even with my frustrations (they are must fewer then my joys)....I would be there in a heart beat. Any frustration I have mentioned is likely one I sent to that personal email. Didnt always get a response, but always tried to express my feelings either way.

I could see that there were some first time posters that would come to DC...then complain about their first posts being denied ect...and they would be hurt or upset. I say let the post through, there are enough angels here to guard the gates!

So I just choose to have a place where I know the flow of discussion is a little more easier.

My eyes will still be around there...just not so much my words.

My best always
Lynette

[Peregrinus]

I'm not going to go into a long reply, because if that works for you, that is wonderful I am not one to tell you anything. You seem more than able to come to your own conclusions

I dont have the time to write a post or thread full of myself to have it dumped after a day OR two of 'waiting' for approval. Im a nice person, it wasnt negativity they were restricting me from...it was more or less things I think some mods felt that were a waste of DC space.

Buying a domain name = $20.00
Purchasing web space = $100.00
Purchasing and setting up a phpBB, time and effort = $500.00
Having over moderated forums that turns people off wanting to be there = Priceless

[Monica]

Everyone, I can definitely appreciate the importance of venting one's feelings.

It's not my intention to invalidate anyone's experiences. I shared a bit of what I experienced over at asc2k myself! At the same time, I know that Carla's vision for our Bring4th forum is for it to remain positively focused. We aspire to do that without undue moderation or censorship!

Now that some opinions have been expressed and some venting has been (lovingly!) done, may I suggest that we start steering this thread back in the direction of discussing the ideas and concepts espoused by DW, rather than him personally.

[MarkM]

Everyone, I can definitely appreciate the importance of venting one's feelings.

It's not my intention to invalidate anyone's experiences. I shared a bit of what I experienced over at asc2k myself! At the same time, I know that Carla's vision for our Bring4th forum is for it to remain positively focused. We aspire to do that without undue moderation or censorship!

Now that some opinions have been expressed and some venting has been (lovingly!) done, may I suggest that we start steering this thread back in the direction of discussing the ideas and concepts espoused by DW, rather than him personally.

It is with a measure of deep interest that I have perused the entirety of this thread!

Bring 4th is really a lovely breath of fresh air, I stand appreciative of the mutual respect which proliferates and is the order of the day.

Much intellectual repartee has been engaged in between members here, and this has served to stimulate much thought and reflection on my part, as 'Wilcockian' reservation and point and counterpoint from a truly world class foundation of LOO students is presented here, seemingly unabridged and complete.

I feel compelled to attempt to make a salient point as regards the LOO. The Ra material per se is not the Law of One. It is an attempt (albeit the best we have in modern times to summarize) to express something of the Law of One, yet the Law of One is something eternal and unchanging since the first distortion of the one infinite intelligence.

I would attempt to draw a distortion-tinged distinction between that which is at the core of beingness and the intellectual presentation of the written Ra books. The written words can only be countenanced as firstly something which enters the mind of the reader, and will then to varying extents be picked up by the larger being of the reader, to resonate or not; as is in resonance with the whole being of the reader.

The scholarly terminology pertaining to the concept of a Law of One scholar may be referring to one who has made an exhaustive study of the five books in question, and has thrashed about the issues of interpretation of the intent of the Ra as to sudden vs. gradual, etc., as well as the many finer points of the Ra's dictated work.

What of one who has resonated with the core message, and found that this marvelous body of work bespeaks that which is already felt and accessible at the larger intuitive core of being which has a history of living the LOO and is already expressing the LOO in every day life?

To sceptics who question another's scholarly qualifications to speak of aspects of the LOO, I suggest again that the LOO is no more in the province of the Scholar, anymore than it is in the province of some simple maiden or gent living the Law, yet who has never heard of it - yet approaches the world with love and the desire to share and promote love and outward service as per their own native calling.

One who rises on his own solitary initiative, in love and attempts to spread and multiply unconditional love and a rare (on this ginormous interweb ) positive view of our collective predicament directed to as wide an audience as possible despite their human frailties and warts and imperfections will do more good for our common cause - provided they can withstand the tide of inevitable depolarisation attempts - than those who endlessly quibble with and promote their intellectual fine points and attempt to undermine, (perhaps inadvertantly) a great cause.

What, I may ask certain detractors, have you done which approaches DW's great effort to appeal to the collective human family, in the way of direct appeal to love via the incalculable resource of the internet?

As David has purposely appealed to the full gamut of seekers; from the early awakening to issues of the neg intrigue and doom and gloom (of which there are millions, I can tell you!) to those who are ready to shed themselves of the sense of worldly intrigue and bottomless mystery, he to me represents a current champion in the ways of appealing to our collective yet infinitely varied state of being. Many will feel rightfully that he doesn't resonate, but millions may potentially resonate, and be prompted to try on the lens of intuitive gut feeling of the message of the man, and come perhaps eventually to the written encapsulation (or gut instinctive, intuitional apprehension) of the Law of One. 'Scholarship' is a very minor consideration, in light of all.

No one is perfect, and all will ever continue to learn as they go.

As for moi, many of you know me as a senior mod on David's forum. As David is attemping a great outreach to the totality of the community of seekers and beyond, he is bound to get on his forum a huge amount of neg stuff. Much of our stringent mod policies erupt in answer to the fact that we try to maintain a positive gathering of LOO based spirituality.

The huge influx of truly negative and demeaning posts requires of us that we be rather strict as to the deluge of negativity. Many have expressed dismay, rightfully so, and yet it is not you to whom we speak.

Those who wish to detract are very many - and so to be fair to all, certain guidelines are enforced across the board, only with a mind to maintain a level playing field, and to keep out the tides of serious negative comment. When addressing such a large cross-section of seeking humanity, there is so much negative imput that mod policies need to maintain an even keel of forum etiquette, so to speak. I do so hope you understand this need of ours to keep precious and beautiful David's forum! Mark

[Peregrinus]

I feel compelled to attempt to make a salient point as regards the LOO. The Ra material per se is not the Law of One. It is an attempt (albeit the best we have in modern times to summarize) to express something of the Law of One, yet the Law of One is something eternal and unchanging since the first distortion of the one infinite intelligence.

Agreed, though I believe the Ra Materials do give us as concise a meaning of the LOO as can be understood with our use of vibratory complex of sound.

1.5 Ra: You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

What of one who has resonated with the core message, and found that this marvelous body of work bespeaks that which is already felt and accessible at the larger intuitive core of being which has a history of living the LOO and is already expressing the LOO in every day life?

This mind/body/spirit complex of which you speak is most likely a wanderer.

To sceptics who question another's scholarly qualifications to speak of aspects of the LOO, I suggest again that the LOO is no more in the province of the Scholar, anymore than it is in the province of some simple maiden or gent living the Law, yet who has never heard of it - yet approaches the world with love and the desire to share and promote love and outward service as per their own native calling.

One who rises on his own solitary initiative, in love and attempts to spread and multiply unconditional love and a rare (on this ginormous interweb ) positive view of our collective predicament directed to as wide an audience as possible despite their human frailties and warts and imperfections will do more good for our common cause - provided they can withstand the tide of inevitable depolarisation attempts - than those who endlessly quibble with and promote their intellectual fine points and attempt to undermine, (perhaps inadvertantly) a great cause.

What, I may ask certain detractors, have you done which approaches DW's great effort to appeal to the collective human family, in the way of direct appeal to love via the incalculable resource of the internet?

As David has purposely appealed to the full gamut of seekers; from the early awakening to issues of the neg intrigue and doom and gloom (of which there are millions, I can tell you!) to those who are ready to shed themselves of the sense of worldly intrigue and bottomless mystery, he to me represents a current champion in the ways of appealing to our collective yet infinitely varied state of being. Many will feel rightfully that he doesn't resonate, but millions may potentially resonate, and be prompted to try on the lens of intuitive gut feeling of the message of the man, and come perhaps eventually to the written encapsulation (or gut instinctive, intuitional apprehension) of the Law of One. 'Scholarship' is a very minor consideration, in light of all.

In truth there is no right or wrong. Each upon this plane has their own work to do, so asking what each does in comparison to another is pointless and fruitless. I believe you were championing David, but I do not believe it is needed.... I only speak for myself in that I truly appreciate David's stellar (pun intended) work and devotion to enlightening others. He does a remarkable job, and he has my admiration and support. I would not be where I am (intellectually and spiritually) today were it not for him. Please bear in mind that those wanderers which are from the 6th density have already acquired wisdom, and thus if the forgetting is pierced, this is one avenue which is open to involvement. This is not good or bad or right or wrong. It just is.

As for moi, many of you know me as a senior mod on David's forum. As David is attemping a great outreach to the totality of the community of seekers and beyond, he is bound to get on his forum a huge amount of neg stuff. Much of our stringent mod policies erupt in answer to the fact that we try to maintain a positive gathering of LOO based spirituality.

The huge influx of truly negative and demeaning posts requires of us that we be rather strict as to the deluge of negativity. Many have expressed dismay, rightfully so, and yet it is not you to whom we speak.

Those who wish to detract are very many - and so to be fair to all, certain guidelines are enforced across the board, only with a mind to maintain a level playing field, and to keep out the tides of serious negative comment. When addressing such a large cross-section of seeking humanity, there is so much negative imput that mod policies need to maintain an even keel of forum etiquette, so to speak. I do so hope you understand this need of ours to keep precious and beautiful David's forum!

It is understood that moderation may be required to remove negativity, if that is so desired. In that aspect you and the rest of the moderation team at DC have my respect, understanding, and thanks. However, editing positive posts, changing post names, and removing posts not deemed adequate or in the spirit of what is exactly desired, on a daily basis, is not moderation. It is, simply put, controlling.

Point to ponder...

46.7 Ra: Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst.

And now... when is David's next blog coming out? I must accept waiting, but I still anticipate

[litllady]

Everyone, I can definitely appreciate the importance of venting one's feelings.

It's not my intention to invalidate anyone's experiences. I shared a bit of what I experienced over at asc2k myself! At the same time, I know that Carla's vision for our Bring4th forum is for it to remain positively focused. We aspire to do that without undue moderation or censorship!

Now that some opinions have been expressed and some venting has been (lovingly!) done, may I suggest that we start steering this thread back in the direction of discussing the ideas and concepts espoused by DW, rather than him personally.

Hello Monica!

I can appreciate this, the way it is made to be sound is that posts are only rejected due to negative posts, and this just wasnt so. Im just going to make this my last post on this thread, happily....and if people read the posts, I think much more credit is given to David then the small opinions about the way he chooses to run the forum (and rightfully so). Like I said before, he was a huge influence for me and my awakening. Me needing the change, that is just personal expression of what I need now. Since it was such a huge part of my path, I felt compelled to talk about it. I hope I didnt disrespect the forum. Thank you much!

Im going to throw a line at Mark here in this reply-

Hello Mark!!!

Its great to see you (type to you)
Dont take me wrong...Mark you know my posts weren't ever negative (just want to clear that so others dont think I am one to worry about posting negative things

Please dont take anything wrong of anything I have said....anyone that knows me knows I love David and all of the people there. That is why it was so emotional for me (I think you know this also). If anyone reads all of my posts, I praise David and DC for being a part of my path.

To all...sorry if these posts were taken in a negative way...I was just sharing something that was a big deal for me. Thanks for listening

Not sure if my posts were what this all came about...but still needed to just add this here. I do hope I showed how DC got me through many things and taught me so much and dont think I am not lurking there, things we love are always a part of us.

Much love to all
Lynette

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Hello Mark!

I noted yesterday that there was no post for a while also wondering when someone of the mods from DC would find their way here or even David himself. I can truly understand your moderating policy but for me personally it is too restricting so i'm happy to have found this forum as a complement.

I also was thinking: "What if i had not known the english language", then i had never come in contact with the LOO. I have not yet read it all but i'm baffled as how this thread adresses exactly the questions that have bothered me the most.

As i've told on DC i was severely brainwashed by a meditationguru with disastrous consequnces and though i have been processing this, it still gets in the way for me when a message is provided through someone who slowly turns into a "star" who almost claims to know the absolute truth. Even so more since Chris said the few personal astrological references i made about myself were deterministic and not in line with the LOO.

I've been thinking a lot about my perhaps oversensitive reaction to Chris
comment and that she may have a point when it comes to problems i have myself but that's NOT how i work with astrology, quite the opposite and how could she tell from those few posts? Ra says we should study this art but only on the collective level? I don't get this. Collective and personal must be the same if we are "All One" David also put his chart for us to see because of the stunning similarity to Edgar Caceys, not to mention also the facial ones among their close family and friends.

Since David so openly talked about his own personal problems this opened up for others to do the same but slowly i developed this codepenencytendency towards him and the forum so i welcomed littlladys invitation here to get some healthy distance and even when saying this i feel fear having said it...

...where is the in this moment?

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...and why didn't the show up...

technical probelms reflecting others?

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[Peregrinus]

...where is the in this moment?

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There is a space required after the ending :

[transiten]

...where is the in this moment?

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There is a space required after the ending :

Gosh! how am i to understand the LOO when i don't even understand this ...space required? Sometimes the smileys show up unintentionally and now not at all.... space.........

(the smileys worked better on DC <Lol>)

Will they appear when i press PostReply or perhaps should i straighten up and stop using them altogether?

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[Monica]

I can appreciate this, the way it is made to be sound is that posts are only rejected due to negative posts, and this just wasnt so.

You mean over at DC?

Im just going to make this my last post on this thread, happily....and if people read the posts, I think much more credit is given to David then the small opinions about the way he chooses to run the forum (and rightfully so).

I agree! But please don't think you can't post anymore on this thread! You are welcome to continue in the discussion!

Like I said before, he was a huge influence for me and my awakening.

I understand! That's the way it was for a lot of people. In my case, I discovered the Law of One books 25 years ago, and found DW when I was searching for others who were into the Law of One. Since I had read the Law of One books first, I was able to differentiate between comments on asc2k that were Law of One-based and those that were based on other sources. I think of DW as another channeled source who happens to also be into the Law of One, and has introduced the Law of One to many people, as well as introducing other info (scientific, political, conspiracy, etc.) to many people.

Me needing the change, that is just personal expression of what I need now. Since it was such a huge part of my path, I felt compelled to talk about it. I hope I didnt disrespect the forum. Thank you much!

Gosh, no!! Your comments were all lovingly made!

Please dont take anything wrong of anything I have said....anyone that knows me knows I love David and all of the people there.

That is quite apparent in the loving way you expressed your feelings! I'm sure that if DW happened to be lurking here, he would be appreciative.

To all...sorry if these posts were taken in a negative way...I was just sharing something that was a big deal for me.

Not at all! At least not on my part. I made my comments only as a caution, to everyone, to remember that this is a real, live person we're talking about. And, it was a reminder that the original purpose of this thread was to discuss the ideas and concepts presented by DW, not him as a person. There is a huge difference there. There's also a huge difference between sharing one's own personal experiences and feelings (which is fine) vs analyzing or judging another person. I'm not saying anyone did that - so far I didn't see that happening, at least not much - but I was just expressing caution because I know from experience how easy it is to start going in that direction. I hope this makes sense!

I do hope I showed how DC got me through many things and taught me so much

Yes, you did!

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even when saying this i feel fear having said it...

Welcome to Bring4th, transiten!

Why do you feel fear? There's nothing to fear here at Bring4th! We welcome you!

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Thanks for the welcome Monica

My fear has to do with what i experienced breaking away from the psycopath guru who brainwashed me/i allowed to:/ and now i feel fear for having expressed criticism towards David and the moderation on DC. I know it's irrational but none the less real..

I will try to put a lot of
into all this and communicate that my deepest wish is to reach mutual understanding and personal growth through the conflicts that arise whether i or the other party might be wrong or not, since in the end We Are All XXX you know

...and thanks peregrine for your explanation that i did not understand...
3D is not for total understanding right <Lol>

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Thanks for the welcome Monica

My fear has to do with what i experienced breaking away from the psycopath guru who brainwashed me/i allowed to:/ and now i feel fear for having expressed criticism towards David and the moderation on DC. I know it's irrational but none the less real..

I will try to put a lot of
into all this and communicate that my deepest wish is to reach mutual understanding and personal growth through the conflicts that arise whether i or the other party might be wrong or not, since in the end We Are All XXX you know

...and thanks peregrine for your explanation that i did not understand...
3D is not for total understanding right <Lol>

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Well is this interesting! i tried twice to type "LoL" in the internet manner with the 45 deg markers and they did not show up! i skipped the markers, let's see what happens this time...

[Peregrinus]

...and thanks peregrine for your explanation that i did not understand...
3D is not for total understanding right <Lol>

I am not sure if you mean me, Peregrinus, or Peregrine (an other-self) on the forums. I know English is not your native tongue, but this is not any easier for those of English either, since my forum name is not English, but Latin.

The word "Peregrinus" is Latin for the word "wanderer"
The word "Peregrine" is a hunting bird that wanders

I suspect you did mean me, in that I did say what you suggested, but perhaps Peregrine also said it too, so either way, you are welcome!

[Monica]

My fear has to do with what i experienced breaking away from the psycopath guru who brainwashed me/i allowed to:/ and now i feel fear for having expressed criticism towards David and the moderation on DC. I know it's irrational but none the less real..

Sorry to hear about what you experienced with the meditation guru! I had a similar experience with a religious mentor who turned out to be very controlling. She had advised me to pray about everything, to take all my troubles 'to the Lord' but whenever I shared with her some guidance that disagreed with what she told me, she told me that what I thought was guidance couldn't have been from God! As though it were a given that everything she told me was in alignment with God's guidance! That was when I went, oh wow, this is outrageous! My eyes were opened!

It can leave one a bit shell-shocked! But healing does happen. After my own experience with the religious mentor, I went thru a few lesser experiences with other spiritual mentors. It took me awhile to realize that I didn't need to see anyone as an authority! I also realized that everyone inhabiting a 3D body still has a lot of learn! They might be experts in some chosen fields, but that doesn't mean they are experts in everything! And even the spiritual leaders, maybe even especially the spiritual leaders, have their own challenges! They have to deal with ego, the temptations of power and control, maybe wealth, etc. Just look at how many mega-church pastors have gotten caught being corrupt! Many of them probably started out totally sincere. I know my own religious mentor did. I feel certain her heart was loving at the time I met her, but I watched what power did. I watched what happened, and I was stunned...but unable to do anything about it, since she didn't want to hear my feedback. I was reminded of those souls described in the Law of One who tried to force spirituality on their tribe and then woke up polarized to STS...Ra said they were 'disconcerted.' That really made an impression on me, reading that!

So it can and does happen...with Christian pastors, political leaders, New Age gurus...so I'm not surprised you encountered one. I have a friend who got raped by a guru in India...this guy had a lot of groupies...she was so shocked and surprised that she never told anyone until years later. It was sad. But she expected the guru to be at a certain level of decency and integrity, so just couldn't make sense of it when he did something so horrible.

Actually, reading the Law of One is what helped me the most to realize that no spiritual or religious leader is any 'higher' or 'more advanced' than you or I. When I saw that even these higher-density beings were so humble and considered themselves students as well as teachers, how could I see any mere humans as authoritative?

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Bring 4th is really a lovely breath of fresh air, I stand appreciative of the mutual respect which proliferates and is the order of the day.

Hi Mark! Welcome to Bring4th! Yes I too often marvel at the level of respect and love here...we have an amazing community, with lots of loving people. It has just sort of happened that way, with very little input or direction from the mods. I feel honored to be involved here.

Much intellectual repartee has been engaged in between members here, and this has served to stimulate much thought and reflection on my part, as 'Wilcockian' reservation and point and counterpoint from a truly world class foundation of LOO students is presented here, seemingly unabridged and complete.

It is definitely unabridged and complete. I don't think the other mods or I have edited a single post on this thread.

I feel compelled to attempt to make a salient point as regards the LOO. The Ra material per se is not the Law of One. It is an attempt (albeit the best we have in modern times to summarize) to express something of the Law of One, yet the Law of One is something eternal and unchanging since the first distortion of the one infinite intelligence.

That is a very good point and I agree 100%!

I would attempt to draw a distortion-tinged distinction between that which is at the core of beingness and the intellectual presentation of the written Ra books. The written words can only be countenanced as firstly something which enters the mind of the reader, and will then to varying extents be picked up by the larger being of the reader, to resonate or not; as is in resonance with the whole being of the reader.

Again I am in agreement!

The scholarly terminology pertaining to the concept of a Law of One scholar may be referring to one who has made an exhaustive study of the five books in question, and has thrashed about the issues of interpretation of the intent of the Ra as to sudden vs. gradual, etc., as well as the many finer points of the Ra's dictated work.

What of one who has resonated with the core message, and found that this marvelous body of work bespeaks that which is already felt and accessible at the larger intuitive core of being which has a history of living the LOO and is already expressing the LOO in every day life?

To sceptics who question another's scholarly qualifications to speak of aspects of the LOO, I suggest again that the LOO is no more in the province of the Scholar, anymore than it is in the province of some simple maiden or gent living the Law, yet who has never heard of it - yet approaches the world with love and the desire to share and promote love and outward service as per their own native calling.

Beautifully said!

As an example, I have an internet friend who is 100% Bible-based Christian. He has never read the Law of One books and probably never will, because he is satisfied with his chosen spiritual path. He is very different from most mainstream, fundamentalist religious people I've met in the sense that he seeks the depth in his chosen scriptures, and somehow manages to find the love in every bit of it, even in cases where I was unable to! I am in awe of his wisdom and love, yet this young man is only 24! When I first met him, I thought he was an elderly, retired pastor, his wisdom was so profound! I consider this person to be living the Law of One more than just about anyone else I've ever met! He needn't ever read the books...he's got the wisdom! And he is undoubtedly sharing this wisdom in his own Christian community.

One who rises on his own solitary initiative, in love and attempts to spread and multiply unconditional love and a rare (on this ginormous interweb ) positive view of our collective predicament directed to as wide an audience as possible despite their human frailties and warts and imperfections will do more good for our common cause - provided they can withstand the tide of inevitable depolarisation attempts - than those who endlessly quibble with and promote their intellectual fine points and attempt to undermine, (perhaps inadvertantly) a great cause.

Agreed!

What, I may ask certain detractors, have you done which approaches DW's great effort to appeal to the collective human family, in the way of direct appeal to love via the incalculable resource of the internet?

That is a question for each person to ponder. I will say only that one need not be famous to do a lot of good on a daily basis...as Q'uo has suggested, being willing to look in the mirror and heal ourselves, and smile at the cashier, and choose love in the present moment, ripples out and affects the whole in profound ways we will probably never comprehend...and is perhaps the most important, and the most difficult, task of all. It's easy to intellectualize, but far more difficult to apply the concepts of love/forgiveness.

No one is perfect, and all will ever continue to learn as they go.

Very true!

Those who wish to detract are very many - and so to be fair to all, certain guidelines are enforced across the board, only with a mind to maintain a level playing field, and to keep out the tides of serious negative comment. When addressing such a large cross-section of seeking humanity, there is so much negative imput that mod policies need to maintain an even keel of forum etiquette, so to speak. I do so hope you understand this need of ours to keep precious and beautiful David's forum! Mark

It appears that your guidelines are stricter now than when I was a mod over at the old asc2k forum. I was a only a backup mod, and only for a few weeks, but, if I remember correctly, established members were allowed to post freely. Only new members were on moderator status. That was a few years ago and I know his membership has grown tremendously since then, and I can see how he might have attracted a lot of those who think he's evil etc. As I mentioned earlier, I have been called 'satanic' on public forums just for believing in reincarnation! That can certainly be difficult to deal with! I don't envy your job! It just wasn't something I personally felt comfortable with. I found it very difficult to know when something was edited for being truly negative, or just for voicing a different opinion. I'm not very good at that sort of thing! I'm probably too wimpy in some ways...sometimes I don't recognize negativity when maybe I should...anyway, I just couldn't seem to get a grasp for their moderation guidelines. (I guess I have it pretty easy here, heh.)

But that's ok...as I said, I still refer others to DC! And I still lurk there sometimes (though not much lately - too busy!).

Thank you for sharing, Mark!

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Monica

Feels great to have this mirroring and confirmation. Boy do i know everything about what you are saying here. I've been digging deep down and my own soul does not get away with anything either. I read this very helpful book "Spiritual vampires" by Marty Raphael who has the same experiences and the book ends with 2 lists

Questions To Ask When Choosing a Therapist

1 Can the therapist be reached during crisis?
2 Has the t worked with spiritual abuse survivors before?
3 if not, how would the t educate him/herself in order to be effective with you?
4 Do you feel comfortable in his or her office?
5 Does the therapist seem judgemental or critical?
6 Do you feel the t wants to rescue you rather than support you in doing your own healing?
7 Does the t act as if he/she has all the answers?
8 Does the t get uncomfortable when you discover the truth for yourself without his or her help?
9 Does the t think sexual contact with clients are appropriate?
10 Does the t believe that childre ever willingly have sex with adults?
11 What does the t think about touching clients? Do you feel uncomfortable with his/her touching?
12 Does the t make good solid eye contact with you?
13 Can you feel free to get angry with the t?
14 Would you like the t as a friend?
15 Is the t willing to allow all your questions?
16 What does your gut say? After all, your own instincts can be trusted.
If you are with a good t you will feel respected, valued, heard and understood.

How to Pick the Good Spiritual Workshops and Avoid the Bad Ones

Counselling, workshops and personal growth seminars in general don't have to be avoided for fear of exposing oneself to spiritual vampires. We must explore, experiment and risk in order to grow.

1 Word of mout from someone you know (did not work for me)

2 A good teacher is not going to foster dependence. If the t eludes to the idea that you're with him/her for the long haul, Red flag! If they suggest you to become a teacher yourself, OK!

3True learning is a two-way energy flow. If the t does not recognize openly what he/she is learning from you or your questions it's a sign they have a hidden agenda to remain in the guru seat.

4 If the teacher looks, feels, acts bigger than life-Red Flag! If the t allows you to see their humanity or shadowside, chances are, they're not interested in your worship, awe or dependency on them.

5 If the amount of money required to take the workshop is not available to you at the time, recognize that this may be a sign that it's not right for you. Stop to check inside to see if you can see what is not immediately obvious to you with respect to where the Red Flags are.

6 Trust your gut at all turns. If you feel uneasy leave immediately!

All the best to you All