if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from?

[oguz]

i feel i'm early 7d

[Meerie]

What are the characteristics of early 7D?

[Monica]

What are the characteristics of early 7D?

Yes, I'm wondering that too! And I'm also wondering how anyone knows what density they're from.

[oguz]

im not sure however i can say i'm tired of this life and dont want to incarnate

[Diana]

sorry for the constant editing it seems when i am about to say certain things or share certain types of wisdom i get negative greetings which cause me to have mind blocks and disorganized thinking my negative greetings prey on my symptoms and increase there intensity they can become voices as well.

This is a good thing, and an opportunity for growth. The more energy you put into something, the more it will develop. The trick, I have found, is not to react; just proceed and try to be more of what you want to be (but first you must be clear about that).

I am a writer, and even I was finding at first that I was not properly communicating my thoughts on these forums. I still take great care to convey my meanings. This is very beneficial to growth, as it develops clarity. Without clarity, one can't clearly and consciously create.

I have also found that in being more and more clear in posting here, I have come to question certain understandings I had that I was glossing over. It might help you to see "negative greetings" as catalysts for you.

Some concepts are difficult to describe, but taking the time to find the right words is part of becoming clear about it, in my opinion. How can one expect all communication difficulties to just be "fixed" with telepathy? The lack of clarity will still be there.

[Plenum]

regards the question of how do you know what density you are from, maybe there could be a quiz along the lines of what Scott produced to see if you are a Wanderer or not:

http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles/etquiz.html

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I would ask the following questions, based on the information that Ra has presented, and my understanding of it.

4th Density Wanderer

* do you feel great compassion for other beings?
* do you empathise to the point of creating self-suffering?
* do you give so much of yourself, to the point of self-exhaustion?
* do you smile, and see the love in all animals?

5th Density Wanderer

* are you attracted to systems of knowledge?
* are you fluent in communications?
* are you accused of being cold and too logical?

6th Density Wanderer

* combines traits of 4th and 5th, and may emphasise one to learn the lesson of balance
* Ra says the majority of Wanderers are 6th Density
* feels great compassion, but also a sense of understanding that this is the drama that others need to learn their lessons

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of course, this is done not for the purpose of seeing who is 'better' or more 'advanced', but rather to gain a greater sense of self-knowledge, so we can work with what we have been given with greater confidence and efficiency.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I'm a bit confused by the wanderer identification myself.

What comfort does one find in identifying themselves as a wanderer? Doesn't it serve as a sort of escapism and separation from the present?

How exactly do you guys feel that knowing you are a wanderer helps you in your life?



When I look at the various quizzes and descriptions of wanderer identification, sometimes it seems to me like those depression medication commercials. "Are you sad? Do you feel alone? Like you don't belong?" Honestly, I don't know a single person who hasn't felt this way at one point or another. Also, in relation to plenum's descriptions of 4D, 5D, 6D wanderers, how can we tell someone is a wanderer from that density and not a 3D native who is working in those energy centers, reached that level of spiritual awareness, or wants to be different?

Maybe someone can help me understand?

[Ankh]

I've been thinking about this poll a little bit.

I guess I'm a little confused as to how we can "be" from a particular density. From what I've understood all along, we are everything in the same moment. It's just that we are having a conscious experience in this particular moment. When you say you're from another density, it automatically linearizes the statement by saying that you are separate from another time. But since time is all in the "now" outside of Gaia/3D, how can we really "be" from anywhere except from the Creator?

I must have missed class the day this was taught. hehe

Steve

My understanding is that we exist in all densities in potential. But then as we graduate density after density, we reach lessons of each particular density, and the potential of that density is now being explored/discovered/learned/manifested.

So it is a paradox that we at the same time are of all densities or no densities (the Creator), and yet due the lessons to be learned are in particular place in the hierarchical structure called densities. This, what we experience though the densities thinking that we move forward, is at the same time a looking back by our mind/body/spirit totality in 7D.

The same thing goes with time I guess. Ra said that third density has a past, present and future. Then that they, Ra, are not part of time, and can therefore "be with us at any of our times", but simultaneously, there exists only present, which is something Ra themselves seek to understand in this very moment.

[Plenum]

I'm a bit confused by the wanderer identification myself.

What comfort does one find in identifying themselves as a wanderer? Doesn't it serve as a sort of escapism and separation from the present?

like all things, the use of this knowledge is up to you. One can dream of being this all powerful being in another density who 'chose a great sacrifice to come to earth' if that is the narrative you want to tell yourself.

yes, it can be wishful thinking.

How exactly do you guys feel that knowing you are a wanderer helps you in your life?

it is more self-knowledge. A lot of people are truly skeptical of the uses and applications of say astrology, but used in the right way, it can inform you of some of the biases you might have 'inherited' as part of your birth/energy signature. Again, how far you want to take it is up to you.

speaking personally, I teared up when I first came across the description of a Wanderer in the book 'the Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce'. It just made sense to me, explained all the feelings and sensations that I had. It's just a sense of total rightness with this description of my being.

When I look at the various quizzes and descriptions of wanderer identification, sometimes it seems to me like those depression medication commercials. "Are you sad? Do you feel alone? Like you don't belong?" Honestly, I don't know a single person who hasn't felt this way at one point or another.

agreed . This isn't meant to be a conclusive diagnosis, or any attempt to box people into certain categories. It's a springboard into further self-inquiry. Often, just asking the right questions can trigger the answer/response in your own mind. It's never about anyone else telling you what the answer is.

Also, in relation to plenum's descriptions of 4D, 5D, 6D wanderers, how can we tell someone is a wanderer from that density and not a 3D native who is working in those energy centers, reached that level of spiritual awareness, or wants to be different?

I did ask myself this question after I had posted. I guess one would first make the determination first if you are a Wanderer or not. Then one would try to refine the type of Wanderer you are. In the end, this narrowing down is not that important; one still has to deal with life and its problems, and find the best way to navigate things.

the question of comparing energy centers of a Wanderer and a 3d being who has made advanced progress is an interesting one. Ra claims that a Wanderer comes into Earth with only their 3d body activated, and is, for all intents and purposes, a 3d being because they cannot activate their higher density abilities.

in 63.19:

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

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I guess the bit in bold is why I posed the queston to the forum originally.

to sum up, I find this very comforting knowledge. If it appears arrogant and self-delusional to others, that perception is out of my control

[Aureus]

I feel that a "job" for a higher being could be to record all the different species existing throughout the universe.

I don't know why, it seems it would be a kind of infinite quest. Perhaps it could be useful for beings wishing to become hosts to lower-density lifeforms?

A sort of.. Biological Memory Complex :x

I don't know, got the idea from a fuzzy dream and thought I would share it.

[Diana]

When I look at the various quizzes and descriptions of wanderer identification, sometimes it seems to me like those depression medication commercials. "Are you sad? Do you feel alone? Like you don't belong?" Honestly, I don't know a single person who hasn't felt this way at one point or another. Also, in relation to plenum's descriptions of 4D, 5D, 6D wanderers, how can we tell someone is a wanderer from that density and not a 3D native who is working in those energy centers, reached that level of spiritual awareness, or wants to be different?

All good points. Much in this world can be ego-serving. A lot of "new age" material is. I recall hearing that certain ego-driven movie stars (not Shirley MacClain) were told that they were advanced ETs or past royalty.

On the other hand, so what? It is up to us to discern for ourselves. If an individual wants to spend his/her time feeding the ego, then in my opinion they are wasting their time yet they have free will to do so. It's too bad, as the world is need of waking up.

If one is being honest with one's self, then information such as being a wanderer can help clarify things. The clarity must come from within, however, and not a blind acceptance of any material.

[Bring4th_Austin]

On the other hand, so what?

Ah yes, the sacred mantra, "so what?" You're right, it is only important to the individual what they believe. Still, in the spirit of discussion, I was trying to understand the creation of topics such as this, or identifying certain politicians/public figures as wanderers, or having "wanderer help group" type therapy. We're all human, we all live in the same world, and we all deal with issues of some kind...sometimes I observe the wanderer issue as sort of a special club. I observe separation and was wondering what other viewpoints there were on it.

[godwide_void]

I could never determine which density I originated from though I had a very hefty feeling I was a Wanderer, until I met a certain individual whose capabilities to determine certain information is impressive. If I remember correctly, this fellow uses kinesiology and other methods to do consciousness calibration, and apart from this his most impressive ability was to be able to determine what planetary system an individual is originally from, as well as what density they're from.

Without him ever having had a deep one-on-one conversation with me, he informed me I was a 5D Wanderer from Sirius, who has been to Arcturus, and upon reading the descriptions of how their beings are at their core personality, traits, distortions, etc. .... it described my internal processes PERFECTLY, especially certain traits that nobody would be able to easily discern. There are also a few things which confirm the truth of his reading and he's not just throwing BS out there on a whim, for instance, what I always assumed to be the North Star always positioned conveniently over my house, constantly twinkling and beginning to do odd things when I stare up at night at it in my front yard and think about the Creator, is in fact... the Sirius star! My girlfriend confirmed just 2 days after my reading (which she knew nothing about) with that Google Sky/Star-viewing application, and she just randomly decided to check out the stars in the sky out of nowhere that night. And we all know there are no coincidences in the Creation.

It may please everyone on Bring4th.org to know, that he does this freely for anybody who requests it. He's the administrator of another spiritually-oriented forum I frequent, here is the thread (I'm not sure if you guys can see it without being registered): http://www.oneness-teachings.com/forum/s...5#post3595 His username is Adonai, and he's done many, many readings for people and he's been accurate every time. The first few posts in that thread describe the traits of Arcturians, Sirians, Pleidians, Vegans, etc. If anybody wants I could post up the respective planetary system descriptions.

This does expand upon knowing your native density by throwing in the added bonus of knowing where in the megacosm you came from, so I hope this little bit of info helps everybody on this forum out, or eases your mind's curiosity regarding this topic a bit.

So yeah, if anybody wishes to have this little reading done for you, just PM the guy and tell him godwide_void sent you his way. I actually wanted to share this information with the entirety of the Bring4th.org forums much, much earlier when I'd gotten my reading done but I've been lacking free time immensely, as you can all see from my infrequent rate of discussion here.

Funnily enough, he'll only tell people their planetary system of origin, but since he saw I knew enough to know of 'densities' he was kind enough to throw in that piece of information too and, as far as I'm aware, he hasn't given out density information to anybody there who isn't at least familiar with the Law of One material, so maybe a small handful?

Hope this helps.

[Plenum]

thank you GV. That was most helpful!

as they say ... temet nosce ... know thyself.

[Monica]

What comfort does one find in identifying themselves as a wanderer? Doesn't it serve as a sort of escapism and separation from the present?

For me, it was the opposite. I felt 'different' as a child, and learning that I might be a Wanderer helped me to better integrate into society, instead of trying to escape. It helped tremendously to understand why I felt as I did; that it was actually normal for Wanderers.

How exactly do you guys feel that knowing you are a wanderer helps you in your life?

It strengthened my sense of mission, and I no longer felt so isolated. I feel that I'm part of something bigger than myself.

When I look at the various quizzes and descriptions of wanderer identification, sometimes it seems to me like those depression medication commercials. "Are you sad? Do you feel alone? Like you don't belong?" Honestly, I don't know a single person who hasn't felt this way at one point or another.

The only quiz I know of is in Carla's book The Wanderer's Handbook. And I don't think she intended it to be conclusive or authoritative. It's just a fun quiz that might help explain some of the feelings we had growing up. Some of the questions in the quiz, like looking at the stars with a yearning for home, wouldn't be found in a depression quiz.

Also, in relation to plenum's descriptions of 4D, 5D, 6D wanderers, how can we tell someone is a wanderer from that density and not a 3D native who is working in those energy centers, reached that level of spiritual awareness, or wants to be different?

Maybe someone can help me understand?

I don't think we can know for sure. I think a good indication is that, for Wanderers, a lot of the concepts seem like just remembering something we already knew; whereas, for natives, it's learning it for the first time. That's the feeling I have anyway.

Another trait that may be prevalent among Wanderers is an understanding of Oneness; Wanderers seem able to understand that all the world's religions are basically saying the same thing, and aren't stuck in identifying with only one culture or religion. For example, an evangelical Christian generally thinks that "only Christians go to heaven" and Christianity is the "true" religion etc. They might be totally loving an quite harvestable, but still locked into that separatist thinking. That's just where they're at.

I've met several people in mainstream religions whom I believe to be Wanderers. The difference is that, even though they totally believe in the Bible, for example, they are able to grasp the deeper concepts, and somehow manage to think independently and actually transcend the divisive concepts in mainstream Christianity.

One friend in particular, is 100% Bible believer, yet his understanding of the essence of the Law of One is profound. He has managed to find the golden nuggets of the Law of One in his chosen religion. I believe he is a Wanderer who chose to incarnate as a mainstream Christian, so that he can share the Law of One with those in that subculture. He chose this incarnation quite strategically!

Ron Paul is another example of someone who doesn't have the classic, telltale signs of Wanderer - he isn't New Age or any of that stuff - but nevertheless has Wanderer written all over his face, because of the depth of his understanding.

I don't think a native would have such depth, when they are learning the concepts for the first time. It's lovely to observe them opening up their hearts for the very first time...so beautiful!

Recognizing that we're Wanderers needn't be any sort of ego trip. We're not 'better' and I don't like to think in terms of 'more evolved' because that can lead to inflated egos and feelings of separation. I prefer to think in terms of just being older siblings.

[Diana]

So yeah, if anybody wishes to have this little reading done for you, just PM the guy and tell him godwide_void sent you his way. I actually wanted to share this information with the entirety of the Bring4th.org forums much, much earlier when I'd gotten my reading done but I've been lacking free time immensely, as you can all see from my infrequent rate of discussion here.

I had no luck finding this thread, even after registering. And it appears that Adonai is "retired" for a while. If you could direct me to the forum--which one and not to the specific post--I would like to read the info on the different traits.

Thanks

[BrownEye]

Hey where is the option for "not a wanderer"?

I could almost qualify for 3rd density wanderer.

[godwide_void]

thank you GV. That was most helpful!

as they say ... temet nosce ... know thyself.

Indeed, plenum. If I may expand upon that: Cognosce te ipsum ut Deum, omnia scit ut Deum.

Know thyself as God, know all things as God.

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So yeah, if anybody wishes to have this little reading done for you, just PM the guy and tell him godwide_void sent you his way. I actually wanted to share this information with the entirety of the Bring4th.org forums much, much earlier when I'd gotten my reading done but I've been lacking free time immensely, as you can all see from my infrequent rate of discussion here.

I had no luck finding this thread, even after registering. And it appears that Adonai is "retired" for a while. If you could direct me to the forum--which one and not to the specific post--I would like to read the info on the different traits.

Thanks

Ah, my sincere apologies Diana, upon second look I see now why you can't access it, it's in an Advanced subforum in the Registered Members only forum. In order for you to gain access to this forum, you have to post a request in the consciousness calibration thread, have him do a reading for you, then you're good to go! He is still an active member and does post, he's just going through some major personal catalyst and can't be as active as he can.

However, I will save you the time and copy/paste the information for you here in the event it takes a while (minus the little alien images preceding each description).

Arcturians
The Arcturians are a group consciousness extraterrestrial race that are highly evolved and come from the Arcturus star system. They seek to help mankind and are known as masters healers. Their skills and knowledge in working with spiritual energies are immense. They have channeled through me that they are motivated to help us humans find our perfected self. Perfection here means being connected and aligned with of our divine self in ways which lead to the fullest possible experience and expression. Sometimes we need healing to assist us with this and so this is why they are known for their healing skills. However they are capable of helping us with many different aspects of our multi-dimensional self such as with energetic purification, grounding, soul awareness and with working in energetic ways with our chakras and light bodies.

I experience their energies as being very divine and high vibrational. It reminds me of the vibration of Angels. I suspect that at their level of evolution that they act in angelic ways. Indeed I believe that we need to have an open mind about the nature of evolved beings. It is normal for humans to want to categorise other beings in strict ways. However I think that it is possible that we will learn that there is more to the process of spiritual evolution of races and that maybe we evolve into angels and other types of beings.

There are some starseed present here on earth whose origins lie with Arcturus or have had past life times there. These starseeds have deep memories of how it is to belong to a close group consciousness and find the experience of the illusion of separation as offered by the human condition, a painful one. Here on earth they unconsciously seek deep union with other beings that they once enjoyed within the Arcturian community.

From my channelings of the Arcturians, I am aware that as a group that they have evolved so much that their collective destiny may take them into new dimensions and types of existence. I am aware of some starseeds from Arcturus whose life missions on earth involve being a type of monitor. This role assists the Arcturians to continue to understand the human condition and the destiny of mankind even though their own evolutionary path is increasingly becoming different.

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Those who have Arcturus as their planetary origin have strong personalities, a deep inner strength and a 'knowing' within. On the surface, they appear strong, capable and powerful. There is a feeling from childhood of having an important purpose in life, although there is not usually knowledge of what that might be. There is a searching for this purpose, which often leads to spiritual exploration. If this purpose is not found, there may be an inner feeling of dissatisfaction or unhappiness without understanding of the cause of this.

Arcturians are very creative. Many Arcturians are writers, artists, designers or use their abilities to create in some way. Arcturians are often good public speakers, have a good sense of timing and humor, the "life of the party." They enjoy making others laugh. They are loving and like to travel. They may tend to get bored easily and seek new experiences to avoid boredom. If they do get "bored" they may create dramas---just to stir things up or create excitement. This can show up in a tendency to create big problems out of little ones, to drag out situations, or dramatize situations to get attention.

Arcturians may seem hard to get close to or distant at times. They do not have many close, intimate personal friends, but have many "casual" friends. If an Arcturian accepts you as a close personal friend, and shares themselves with you on an inner level, know that you have been carefully considered prior to being "accepted." Arcturians attract people: Complete strangers are drawn to the Arcturian energy and magnetism. They are good advice givers, and their aura makes it appear to others that they are strong and complete. Others may be surprised to find that Arcturians have problems and feelings just like everyone else. There is often a wide circle of acquaintances that depend upon their Arcturian friends for advice and guidance. Although willing to listen and give advice, Arcturians may be impatient with those not willing to put forth needed effort or are not really "trying" to accomplish what they seek. There is impatience with "whiners". Those who seek advice but are not willing to use the advice they are given may lose their Arcturian mentor when this is realized.

Arcturians have much energy, either physical and mental. They may jump from one place to another or from one subject to another. They normally do not like sitting still and being quiet, but need to feel that they are accomplishing something. They tend to be enthusiastic and optimistic. When their energy is focused and used well, there is little they cannot accomplish. When it is scattered and without focus, there will be many projects begun, with few completed.

In love relationships, Arcturians need personal freedom. They feel trapped in relationships that are restricting. They need time alone, time with friends, and to be able to do this without guilt or explanations. There is need for understanding that freedom should apply to all involved-- the treatment they need for themselves should be extended to others. Arcturians are not comfortable with expressing their deepest emotions, and tend to react to situations that stir deep emotions by creating diversions. Of their emotions, they are most comfortable with expressing anger, and humor. They may create arguments, begin story telling (Arcturians are great story tellers!), try to create laughter, or have a sudden urge to 'do something' to avoid openly discussing their emotions.

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Pleidians

There are groups of humanoids who come from a group of seven stars known collectively as the Pleiades. They are more evolved than mankind on earth and offer their support to us in terms of spiritual guidance. Those Pleiadians that I channel have perfected the expression of unconditional love and harmony within society as well as individually. They have mastered these aspects whilst being in physical bodies and so have much practical guidance to pass onto mankind about how to operate from a multi-dimensional basis within a physical human body. Here they have recognised the shared social experience of God / Goddess within the appreciation of art, music and dancing as being a unifying focus. They naturally want to share this approach with us. Many channels and Pleiadian starseeds are drawn to these areas within their communications and channelings with the Pleiadian Masters. Indeed many starseeds currently come from the Pleiades and their missions are to bring these higher teachings here to earth. There have been many such waves of starseeds from the Pleiades throughout history. Strong connections have historically existed between the Pleiades and with North and Central American Indians and are illustrated within their art. Indeed like with the Sirians, there is a common belief that the Pleiadians have been partly responsible for seeding mankind here on earth and that we share our DNA with them.

The Pleiadians are more aware of the divine feminine or Goddess than mankind. They align themselves to the creative forces of the Goddess an work within the cycles of nature. This has allowed them to become masters of agriculture as they work with nature spirits to co-create the wonderful fruits, flowers and vegetables. This is harmony with nature and the divine feminine energies and consciousness. This includes their use of water itself as a living consciousness. The Pleiadians are very knowledgeable about the effects of food and water on the physical body.

However within these perfected societies lie less opportunities to growth spiritually in new ways. This is because their consciousness has become more static and their life styles no longer offer new areas to explore. As such some Pleiadians choose to incarnate here on earth in order to seek growth from new experiences and opportunities. As mankind is less evolved, then being human on earth offers a wider range of experiences and challenges as there is still much negativity here and therefore potential for learning and growth. The understanding of the integration of polarities is an example of this.

When I connect with the Pleiadian guides in channeling, I experience their energies as being light and loving. They are often humorous and seek to give simple guidance as to how to ground divine love into our daily lives.

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Those who have Pleiades as their planetary origin are sensitive, loving and kind. There is a deep, abiding desire for peace and happiness for all. If one from Pleiades were asked what do you want out of life? They would likely say, "to be happy." Pleiadeans have a pleasant smooth energy which others enjoy being near.

They are emotional and loving, but tend to repress much due to their desire to please others. They are sensitive and react quickly to criticism. Pleiadeans tend to sacrifice personal needs and wants while attempting to please others. This may cause inner resentment. Rather than expressing resentment or anger openly, Pleiadeans may instead use passive aggressive behavior in hopes that their feelings will be noticed and responded to without the need for discussion. They must learn to realize others whom they seek to please would usually prefer to hear their feelings and needs. Pleiadeans can become physically ill in situations where there is anger, open tension or arguments around them, as they absorb emotions of others in an unconscious effort to mediate and smooth situations. The tendency to repress their own emotions, and the emotions absorbed from others can form energy blockages if not released over a period of time. This can lead to eventual physical illness.

A large part of the learning experience for Pleiadeans is to learn to allow others to experience what they have chosen, and not become personally involved. They will learn to be aware of their desire to make others happy and realize that one can only be responsible for ones personal happiness and self development. They must learn to allow others to be responsible for themselves, their growth and learning situations. They must learn that they cannot decide when others are happy, or what others need to be happy, and instead focus on creating their own happiness. As true responsibility is accepted for self and personal happiness, they will flourish and the physical body will respond with radiance.

Pleiadeans must work to develop communication skills on a third dimensional level and also to develop self-esteem. It is important for them to reclaim personal power, learn to communicate freely and become strong within. At times, it may appear to others that Pleiadeans are overly reserved and distant. This is due to their tendency to criticize their thoughts to the point of not sharing them and the self esteem problems many Pleiadeans have. Often they feel that their thoughts are not "worth" sharing and must work in this area also.

Those from Pleiades may develop patterns of using various third dimensional pursuits as temporary escapes from reality, or false aids in building communication ability and confidence. This could be ventures into drugs or drinking, creating sexual or romantic dramas, or simply escaping into other realities through reading, television or movies.

Pleiadeans release through crying. Due to their tendency to repress emotions, this may build to a point where releasing must occur. This may result in crying which appears as an overreaction to current situations. Instead, it is a releasing of much more than the current situation. Due to the communication issues which are worked with, many Pleiadeans experience various types of releasing in the throat chakra area, such as crying. This could also be frequent physical problems or speech difficulty, such as hoarseness, coughing, or tightness in the throat chakra. This will no longer occur when confidence and free communication of emotions and needs are learned and used in daily life. These can be used as signs to look within at what is not being communicated that needs to be.

Pleiadeans are very strong on faith and trust. They have a strong sense of purpose from childhood, a feeling of knowing there is a God connection, purpose and plan, even in their darkest hour. There is an inner desire to seek spiritual answers and to find their connection to the God Force. As they begin to seek and learn, growth begins. As they begin to realize the God connection and to love themselves as the perfect beings that all are, many of the old feelings, emotions and self doubts fade.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I hope this doesn't come off as argumentative.

I felt 'different' as a child, and learning that I might be a Wanderer helped me to better integrate into society, instead of trying to escape.

Wouldn't true integration be integration on equal ground? Instead of having to separate one's self from a society in order to understand it, wouldn't true acceptance of society and self be viewing society as the same as one's self?

One who supposes they are a wanderer might have thought previously, "How can society be like this? None of this seems right, I really don't feel like I belong here." Then, instead of truly integrating into society, or really, society into self, there's a layer of separation. I'm not really talking about elitism in this case, but rather just separation. "Ah, that's why I feel so out of place...because I am out of place." And so a wanderer gains comfort from the idea that they aren't really part of this society, rather they truly belong somewhere else where they would feel at home.

I don't think all or most 3D natives would feel at home here. It's a density of learning to accept one's self and accept others, which we know is essentially the same thing. The things that we view in society which stir our emotions of isolation, alienation, despair, "home-sickness", "not belonging"...they're things inside of us, and society is merely showing us a reflection of that self we are struggling to accept. Wanderer or 3D native, I feel that the feeling would be the same.

When I look at the various quizzes and descriptions of wanderer identification, sometimes it seems to me like those depression medication commercials. "Are you sad? Do you feel alone? Like you don't belong?" Honestly, I don't know a single person who hasn't felt this way at one point or another.

The only quiz I know of is in Carla's book The Wanderer's Handbook. And I don't think she intended it to be conclusive or authoritative. It's just a fun quiz that might help explain some of the feelings we had growing up. Some of the questions in the quiz, like looking at the stars with a yearning for home, wouldn't be found in a depression quiz.

To me, gazing at the stars is an effective way to gaze upon the Creator. That yearning for home could be felt in a 3D native yearning to return to the Creator, in Ra's terms. Gazing upon the infinite outer may create a calling to gaze upon the infinite inner, which would be felt in both wanderers and 3D natives.

Of course it wouldn't be found in a depression quiz...that's not really what I meant. I mean the medication commercials always seem to ask such ambiguous questions that everyone would relate to at some point or another, not the same exact questions you'd find in a wanderer quiz.

Also, in relation to plenum's descriptions of 4D, 5D, 6D wanderers, how can we tell someone is a wanderer from that density and not a 3D native who is working in those energy centers, reached that level of spiritual awareness, or wants to be different?

Maybe someone can help me understand?

I don't think we can know for sure. I think a good indication is that, for Wanderers, a lot of the concepts seem like just remembering something we already knew; whereas, for natives, it's learning it for the first time. That's the feeling I have anyway.

Isn't learning something just remembering it anyways? If we exist as infinity in potentiation, whether it's a wanderer remembering concepts from their home density or a 3D native discovering those concepts through working with catalyst, it would all simply be discovering a part of oneself which was always there.

Also, Ra says that if a 3D native had activated certain energy centers in a past lifetime then they are more easily activated in subsequent lifetimes. It could be the same as a wanderer remembering.

Another trait that may be prevalent among Wanderers is an understanding of Oneness; Wanderers seem able to understand that all the world's religions are basically saying the same thing, and aren't stuck in identifying with only one culture or religion. For example, an evangelical Christian generally thinks that "only Christians go to heaven" and Christianity is the "true" religion etc. They might be totally loving an quite harvestable, but still locked into that separatist thinking. That's just where they're at.

We know wanderers get lost too and can be susceptible to the same separatist thinking that a 3D native would be susceptible to since both have a think veil. I believe a 3D native who has embraced universal love would just as easily divorce that separatist thinking as a wanderer.

One friend in particular, is 100% Bible believer, yet his understanding of the essence of the Law of One is profound. He has managed to find the golden nuggets of the Law of One in his chosen religion. I believe he is a Wanderer who chose to incarnate as a mainstream Christian, so that he can share the Law of One with those in that subculture. He chose this incarnation quite strategically!

For arguments sake, let's pretend we're talking about someone in very similar circumstances as your friend, but who isn't your friend, just to have an objective ground.

Couldn't he also be a 3D native who came near harvestability in the past and chose to incarnate into a religion to help discern the idea of universal love within those biases so that he could reach harvestability? Sharing obviously hand-in-hand with activating blue, something possible for both 3D natives and Wanderers.

Ron Paul is another example of someone who doesn't have the classic, telltale signs of Wanderer - he isn't New Age or any of that stuff - but nevertheless has Wanderer written all over his face, because of the depth of his understanding.

I don't think a native would have such depth, when they are learning the concepts for the first time. It's lovely to observe them opening up their hearts for the very first time...so beautiful!

This is exactly the sort of thinking I'm trying to pinpoint and bring up. You unintentionally set Wanderers above 3D natives by saying that, since Ron Paul has depth of understanding, he must be a wanderer. This is implying that 3D natives are not capable of that depth of understanding. As if wanderers are innately able to dig deeper, reach a higher level of acceptance, and become more enlightened than the "average 3D Joe." I feel like if this level of acceptance weren't possible in 3D natives as well as wanderers, harvestability would not be possible. The requirements for a wanderer and a 3D native to be harvested are the same, and we know that wandering is a dangerous game because they don't always make it to harvestability, while some 3D natives do.

Recognizing that we're Wanderers needn't be any sort of ego trip. We're not 'better' and I don't like to think in terms of 'more evolved' because that can lead to inflated egos and feelings of separation. I prefer to think in terms of just being older siblings.

We can remove the idea of an ego trip and just examine the idea of viewing one as separate from the rest. And I'm definitely not saying that everyone who feels they are wanderers is using this as a method of escapism. I'm just proposing that it can be used as a cop out to accept this society. If we have to metaphorically remove ourselves from society in order to accept it, are we really accepting it?

[godwide_void]

Sirians

Those who have Sirius as their planetary origin are very focused, very determined and set on whatever path they are on at a given time. It is very difficult to change the mind of one from Sirius, but once they have become convinced that a new "path" is more appropriate, they become totally focused on the new, and release the old quickly. Sirians have strong beliefs, ideals and personal integrity.

Those from Sirius make loyal, trustworthy friends, but expect the same in return. They become hurt and disillusioned when these expectations are not met. Sirians do not share the inner personal self with others easily, and may have difficulty sharing emotions and expressing feelings and needs. To be fully accepted and trusted as a close personal friend of a Sirian means that you have been carefully scrutinized. Sirians may have difficulty in relationships and friendships when they expect to be treated in a certain way, but do not share their expectations with the others involved. It is important to work with sharing expectations, ideals, communicating needs and desires to avoid being hurt and disillusioned. This often occurs as a result of lack of communication or lack of mutual understanding and clarity in relationships.

Those from Sirius tend to be future oriented, and do not enjoy focusing on the past. They may become defensive if forced to focus on the past by others. This is due to the fact that past pain and emotion is held within, denied and repressed rather than being dealt with at the time of occurrence. Due to this there may be large amounts of old emotion in need of being dealt with and released. Sirians do not enjoy confrontations or open expressions of anger but if forced into an argument will defend themselves and their beliefs fiercely. This is particularly true if honor of themselves or loved ones is involved. One of the lessons many Sirians have chosen to work with in this lifetime is the importance of releasing old pain, forgiving self and others, and moving on.

Sirians have a very unique and strong sense of humor, which often is only seen when they are with those they trust and feel at ease with. Sirians may be considered dreamers by some. This is due to their active, vivid inner life. This can cause forgetfulness and a tendency to not notice trivial third dimensional things in the present. They may at times appear to be uninterested, or inattentive, but in actuality they are simply somewhere else. They may not realize that others are unaware of their inner activity. Although they appear very calm, quiet and reserved on the surface, there is much activity within. As children, Sirians may often be thought to have learning disorders or thought to have problems with their attention span. This is due to the attraction of the inner world, which is often more interesting than that which is taught in Earth schools. They do best in learning when visual methods of teaching are used, and they are allowed hands on types of learning with freedom to move around and explore. These are children who benefit greatly from alternative schools, they are very intelligent but strong enough within to feel that if something does not interest them, they should not be required to learn about it.

Those from Sirius have a deep connection to the Earth and energies of nature. Many Sirians have had numerous lives as American Indians and maintain close ties and memories of these lives. They are very visual, both in their ability to see things which others do not, and in their manner of learning.

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Vegans


Vegans

Those who have Vega as their planetary origin are self sufficient, independent, proud and strong willed. There is an outer smooth energy and appearance of strength and capability. Those from Vega tend to be knowledgeable in a wide variety of areas, they may be trivia "collectors" for information concerning their areas of interest. They have a variety of talents and capabilities, are quite creative and often have an ability to combine creative expression with intellectual expression. They may be artists, designers, inventors, architects or in current times may work more closely with creativity through new or expanding technologies. Their methods of working with technology will differ from many, as it is based more on "feeling" than on intellectual understanding. They do well at beginning projects, but less well at completing them. There may be lessons to aid Vegans in learning self discipline and will power or they may surround themselves with others who are supportive and will aid in the completion of projects and ideas.

Those from Vega are travelers who seek variety, challenge and understanding of the many questions they have within. They may become bored easily. They tend to analyze, question and doubt all which they do not understand, does not meet their belief system or simply does not "feel" right. Although quite willing to learn, change and grow, Vegans need understanding to occur on an inner level to allow opening within for change to occur. This understanding will not be of a practical, logical nature. It will be an inner comprehension that will be more a "feeling" that leads to "knowing" instead of a technical understanding.

Most from Vega have a strong sense of responsibility, nurturing and caring. They may find fulfillment in working with children, those who are ill or in need of care and support. At times however, they may be overly responsible for others, and may need to remind themselves of the importance of teaching responsibility, as well as being responsible. They may need to work with developing a stronger sense of feeling the integrity of others, as they may find themselves taken advantage of due to their caring nature. They may find others attracted to their understanding energy, and may be approached in many situations by others wishing to share personal problems. It should be noted that few from Vega are themselves willing to share personal details with others, unless trust is first established.

Vegans have healing abilities, and may have an affinity for stones and crystals. Many from Vega work in caring for others in the area of health care, either physical, mental, as teachers or in areas which allow freedom of creative expression. They have a strong need for time alone, privacy, and freedom from restrictions. It is important that they be shown appreciation for what is done for others. Those in personal relationships with Vegans may at times be in need of more attention, and may feel somewhat neglected, due to their many interests and areas of focus. They may become so involved with caring for others, that they neglect personal needs and personal relationships.

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Pvilans


Pvilans

Those who have Pvila as their planetary origin have strong personalities, strong abilities and much pride. There is a strong sense of humor and desire to be the focus of attention. These are often "class clown" or "life of the party" types. There may be a tendency to go too far with teasing and humor, sometimes at the expense of others. This is not done with any intention to hurt, simply from a tendency to become "carried away" with impulses of the moment. There is need to learn compassion and gentleness in dealing with others.

Pvilans carry an aura of power which may give others the impression that they are unbending and unapproachable. This can be unsettling, especially to those who are insecure or have low self-esteem. At times others may have trouble understanding and coping with Pvilans, as they can come across as a bit overbearing. It may be necessary to work with modifying behavior patterns, and softening the approach used in interactions with others,

It is good for others to look beyond the forceful exterior, this allows the kindness within to be seen. When this is done, it will be found that Pvilans are very caring, and will do much to help those they feel are true friends and are deserving of their aid. At times they may do too much for friends, and may need to step back and allow others their learning experiences. Those close to Pvilans, will find them to be very loyal, devoted friends who easily overlook the shortcomings and flaws of friends. They may be very quick to judge or label these same shortcomings or flaws in others who are not yet considered friends.

It is helpful for Pvilans to learn to step back and detach from "self", as they tend to become so engrossed in their personal life that they may exclude others. This can be a problem in personal relationships, as others may feel neglected when this occurs. One of the lessons many from Pvila have chosen to work with in this lifetime is the control of ego and learning to balance care for others with care for personal needs.

There is a drive to collect information, details, knowledge and a desire to explore and understand everything. Pvilans possess a "photographic" type of memory. There is an ability to retain what has been learned, for future reference, in graphic detail. Pvilans make good lecturers, authors, or may work with technical or scientific knowledge. They not only love collecting knowledge but also sharing it with others.

They have many possible careers, and may have several active careers at once, as they do not like to limit themselves. They are usually knowledgeable on many different subjects and ask many questions in seeking information and details. They may feel frustration or intolerance with others who do not seek to learn and understand with the same diligence. It is good for Pvilans to work with developing tolerance and understanding of those who do not share their thirst for knowledge.

Pvilans are very determined and focused upon whatever their path may be at any time. This path may change frequently, as they move from one pathway to another with ease. To others, it may appear as if they have difficulty in making decisions, or maintaining a focus. This is not true, they simply have the ability to maintain a number of focuses at once with changing levels of priority. Areas of interest will come and go as the desire for new knowledge leads them to seek ever onward.

In relationships, those from Pvila need respect and freedom. They should seek those whose personal power and security is strong, so they will not be intimidated. Pvilans must have time alone to reconnect and find peace within. There is a strong need for privacy and quiet times. They balance well with others who share this need for freedom and privacy. There is often an attraction to those who have softer energies, yet it is important that they be with others of equal intelligence, as this creates the challenge and excitement Pvilans so enjoy. This allows energy balancing, yet maintains the intellectual stimulation that is so important for Pvilans.

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Apollonians

Apollonians love to learn and add to their many talents. There is often interest in taking varied classes and developing many abilities. There is a deep questioning nature to Apollonians that leads them on a search for answers and fulfillment. This may result in a number of careers or interests in a lifetime as they seek to constantly add to their repertoire of knowledge. They may at times feel somewhat like "sponges" as they soak up many different bits of knowledge. They may appear to others like "professional students", or give the appearance of being unable to make up their minds as to what they wish to do. This is not the case. It is simply that Apollonians do not allow themselves to be limited to any one role, or definition of who and what they are. Any attempt by others to limit them or label them is very strongly and instantly resisted. This is one instance where the normally calm Apollonians will show a dramatic reaction. There may be situations where the Apollonian may feel that others are making attempts to limit, restrict or label them...regardless of the truth, if a situation creates this feeling, there will be a strong reaction.

There is a deep desire to be self-sufficient and avoid the need to depend on others, financially or emotionally. They may need to remind themselves at times to enjoy life and take time for pleasure, as they tend to be rather serious. This can be very obvious if they are focused on a pathway of learning or achievement. It should be noted that even the rare Apollonian who chooses a pathway of pleasure seeking and play rather than serious learning, will be just as deeply and fully focused on that pathway.

Many from Apollonia have work to do as Earth healers and feel a deep connection to the Earth and her needs. There is early recognition of energy fields, auras, spirit friends or angels, which leads them to be drawn to spiritual learning as a means of finding answers and explanations. These abilities with energy may lead them to do healing work at some point in their lives, either with the planet, animals or people. There is often an attraction to children and desire to help children and those who are helpless or in need. This could be as a parent, teacher, counselor, or simply an interested friend.

There is a strong ability to empathize with others and use that ability to help others to heal and release emotional pain and fears. There is a strong love of beauty and nature. Apollonians often rely on the beauty and peace of nature to heal themselves and find peace within. There is a strong sense of intuition and spiritual connectedness. Those from Apollonia may have often considered themselves exotic or taken pleasure in being "different."

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks GV. I'd like to read something about those that come from the Ra complex, or from the Pleiadians.

[godwide_void]

Andromedans

Those with an Andromeda planetary origin seek freedom. There is a deep inner thirst and drive that leads them to search for this feeling of freedom. They may change jobs, homes or relationships in their search. At some point, they will realize that the freedom they seek, and the feelings they often have of being trapped are not due to their actual circumstances. The true freedom they seek comes only from within. It is found only by developing self love, and the inner spiritual self. The mature Andromedan has realized this, and works with this knowledge to create a reality that allows these needs to be honored, while continuing to grow in other areas.

Andromedans must work with issues of self-confidence and love. These areas may be obvious in their need for development, or they may be disguised. When self love and confidence are developed, the inner freedom and spiritual connectedness will be found within...where it has always been, if the trust and faith in self were present to allow it to be seen. As this develops, the connection between self and God becomes strong. This allows past life memories to flow, and many old talents begin to awaken to be used once again. Many Andromedans discover they have much to offer others on a spiritual pathway and become known as teachers and healers.

Andromedans enjoy travel and thrive on experiencing many types of realities. They enjoy excitement, activity, and variety. They may have early desires to visit past life homes, shown as desires to visit certain places or interest in certain areas or time periods without understanding why. They may enjoy driving fast, or flying in airplanes, as this stimulates subconscious memories of 'home'. Andromedans tend to create dramatic learning scenarios for themselves, due to their tendency to be self-critical and not take themselves seriously. Through learning to 'notice' smaller growth opportunities and lessons, they will begin to avoid creating larger dramas.

The Andromedan tendency to be self-critical may lead them to expect others to be critical of them. They are often surprised at finding how well they are liked by others! Outwardly, many Andromedan are confident, capable, and outgoing with well developed abilities to communicate with others. They are very good at keeping the inner fears, doubts and insecurities inside and presenting a very different 'face' to the outside world. They may be well suited to teaching, health care or careers which involve traveling. Some learn to combine the attraction to drama with writing or acting, and express themselves in those ways.

Andromedans have healing and communication abilities which are often felt early in childhood. These are often ignored or discouraged by family members, and must later be retrieved. Andromedans are sensitive, caring individuals who have much compassion and ability to put themselves in another's position and truly empathize. There is a desire to work with healing the physical, emotional, or psychic pains of mankind.

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GW, look further up the page before abridgetoofar's recent post, the Pleidians were the 2nd group description I posted after Arcturus.

Orion


Orion:

Those who have Orion as their planetary origin have strong personalities, ideals and beliefs. Orion's may be recognized by the many questions they ask! There is a strong drive to understand the reasons and inner meanings of all things. They tend to analyze people and events in their need to understand. This may be frustrating to those around them, as this may create feelings of being scrutinized. This is due to the tendency of most Orions to operate on a mental level, rather than a feeling level. This is not due to a lack of feeling, it is simply the primary mode of operation for an Orion.

Orions want others to respect their opinions and may argue to gain respect and convince others of the validity of their opinions. They must learn to balance the drive to understand, with sensitivity to the needs of others. The mature Orion has learned that in explaining their views and opinions, having them accepted as valid and considered by others is what they seek, and it is not necessary to have others be in agreement.

Orions have a deep inner thirst for knowledge and may be frustrated with those who do not share this thirst. There is interest a wide variety of fields. It will be obvious when conversing with an Orion that either a subject holds great interest for them, and they are quite knowledgeable, or there is no interest at all and know almost nothing of that area. There is strong skepticism and difficulty in accepting new beliefs without thorough evidence and proof of validity. This is due to their mental and intellectual focus, and need to 'make sense' of things logically before accepting them.

Orions tend to be critical of others, and of themselves. This is because Orions expect and seek perfection. They have a keen eye for details and notice things which others do not. They tend to point out these things to others, if they feel these are things in need of attention or correction. This can be upsetting to those not accustomed to Orion energy, and may be taken as personal criticism. It is good to realize that Orions are very sensitive to balance, and may feel physically upset or ill in situations where there is imbalance. This creates their need to correct imbalance when it is sensed. It can be emotional imbalance that is sensed in others, or in themselves, or outer physical imbalance. Orions need beauty and balanced flow of energy in their surroundings to feel their best on all levels.

In relationships and in dealing with emotions, Orions react to emotions intellectually and may surprise others by their reactions. The drive to understand is much stronger than the emotional reaction. It is very important for them to understand the reasons behind a situation, to aid in their ability to accept and understand. In an emotional situation, a typical Orion response is to ask questions, although the quieter Orions may do this within. This does not mean they do not feel or care, simply that they must seek understanding. Orions are often uncomfortable with emotional situations unless they know those involved well enough to feel free to ask the questions within. By honoring this need, communication can be built in relationships with Orions. If their need to question, or understand emotion is not allowed, they will develop patterns of repressing emotions, or exploring them only on an inner level.

Those from Orion need privacy and time alone to recharge, learn and develop the flow within. They learn best alone or in small groups, and do not feel comfortable in large classroom settings. There is a high energy level, which combined with the questioning nature, makes Orions intolerant of classroom learning, when they feel teaching is not done well, or is not meaningful. Many Orions make excellent teachers, due to their ability to see many details, and "angles" of presenting information, to make learning more interesting for the student. Orions enjoy making others laugh. There is a strong sense of humor and desire to tease and play. Others may notice that the change from playfulness to being critical can occur quickly.

There is strong communication with spirit, and psychic ability. As Orions grow on a spiritual pathway, they find their largest challenge to be that of developing higher levels of trust and faith. This is due to many aspects of spirituality that must be accepted simply on faith. Orions are deeply ingrained with the need to question, seek proof, answers, and logical understanding before accepting beliefs. This can create difficulty and an inner struggle for many Orions, as they learn to combine the technical mind with the spiritual self. However, it is these same qualities which make Orions important collectors of information and knowledge which can be shared with others.

That's the last one. And yeah GW, I'd like to know how those of Ra are described too.

[Diana]

Thanks Godwide .

[godwide_void]

No problem! Based on the above and how you are, which system do you think you might possibly originate from?

[Diana]

No problem! Based on the above and how you are, which system do you think you might possibly originate from?

Not sure. Nothing struck me at first reading.

[Aureus]

Thank you Godwide_Void! Haha I am soo curious!

That thing about the Sirius Star.. For years my eyes has been drawn to this particular star in the night sky. It was twinkling so beautifully!

I feel I almost established telepathic contact with it also, but I might just be fooling myself.

I had to check out what star it was, and it seems it would be a Sirius star. Anyway, I'm going to ask your friend about his/her view ^^

Love


Edit: I think abridgetoofar makes a good point. No matter what label you attach to yourself, you're still bound by the Law of One. We're all equal, as there is no real separation if one is to trust in the LOO that is. However I think it is very good for people to get something to hold on to. If one has lived a life feeling like there's something terribly wrong with you, yet suddenly find some kind of explaination for that feeling, you can heal! I think at first the 'Wanderer' term is of help, it sort of mends the wound one has caused upon oneself.

Then your point steps in and reminds us that separation such as concepts is not compatible with Oneness. But there is two sides to this coin, as always in this veiled existence.

I love you all 'Brothers and Sisters'

[Meerie]

GV these explanations are the same that are in the link I gave on page 2

[Liet]

For the positive polarity;
Having up to the full upper spectrum in ones aura - Aslong as the "lower half of the spectrum" is barely active, there is an unknown danger which is opposite to oneself. 4D

in 5th density, ones understanding of what "evil" is/does (and how it reason) becomes clear and wisdom is heightened, once the yellow ray has ben added to the self (in equal strength as the other rays)

In 6th density, having balanced Love/light and Light/Love means having all aspects of the spectrum in equal ammounts... which means being oneself and better knowing the self and thus the creator.

based on the "indigo phenomenon" i'd say most wanderers are from the 4th density, not 6th. seeing as they outnumber the ones i've met/spoken to with a white aura by like 100 to 1 (if i count myself even tho i'm currently recovering from a dip)... Unless they dont count as wanderers if they dont have atleast the WHOLE upper spectrum.

I guess I'm a little confused as to how we can "be" from a particular density. From what I've understood all along, we are everything in the same moment. It's just that we are having a conscious experience in this particular moment. When you say you're from another density, it automatically linearizes the statement by saying that you are separate from another time. But since time is all in the "now" outside of Gaia/3D, how can we really "be" from anywhere except from the Creator?

I'm always trying to better know how to read clues as to how the energy centers of a person are currently doing, so i'd like to get this verified or denied.

inability to see the contrasts within the white light. (as opposed to not seeing how everything is connected)
inability to separate things to know what actualy differs. (as opposed to seeing differences that arent there)

if this came from within, then it sounds like your solar plexus isnt doing so well.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you. Pleiadians fits me to a T. I always suspsected. I wasn't sure if I was from Ra or Pleiadians, but I found Pleiadian teachings more loving.

[Namaste]

I enjoyed reading those, thanks GV :¬)