David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS

[Oceania]

I didn't see this post as attacking zen. In fact it looked to me like it was in general expressing frustration with people who just disregard theories like this whithout even looking at them.

Usually when we post a mod note, it's not directed at any one specific person, but to all participants in the discussion. Volatile topics can get heated and the mod note is just a friendly reminder.

the color red shouldn't be used. use Pink if it's a friendly reminder.

[Monica]

the color red shouldn't be used. use Pink if it's a friendly reminder.

I started using red so it would stand out. It wasn't intended to convey anger or urgency. Just an attention-getter. But if you like pink better, then that's fine with me. Is this better? Does it work as well? This is more of a fuschia-purple actually; pink is too light.

[Plenum]

Bring4th_Monica says ...



excuse me language.

[Oceania]

lol i just think red is used for danger, so i always feel jolted when i see it. it gives off this anger even unintended. that pink is nice.

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i i think that's actualy spicy or hot pink. my fave pink.

[Monica]

At some point one has to recognize the outer reality as having an inner congruency. After all, all of that stuff out there is you anyway. So rather than giving way to control and domination..victim-hood..one must start accepting various truths.

You make some very wise points. If I may offer some further discussion-

A person is incapable of taking steps toward self-liberation until they are willing to accept the lack of freedom imposed by the external world. Becoming aware that one is a slave to external factors can lead in one of two directions: self-responsibility and victimhood. As you astutely pointed out. But if one is in denial that they are a slave- thinking they are totally "free" to do what they want or that they 100% "create their own reality"- then there is no chance for them to liberate themselves. They are stuck in the sinkhole of indifference. One cannot transcend a limitation until it is acknowledged and accepted. Neither does appeal to 7D conceptions of unity turn slavery into freedom. Even if, at the highest level, one volunteers to become enslaved to other-selves, it doesn't change the fact that they are enslaved here/now at this level.

All of this projected fear about conspiracy theories is part of the incongruency you previously described. "What if people get the wrong idea?" "What if people panic?" "What if they get hoodwinked by a charismatic leader?" These are all false flags. People already have the wrong idea, they are already panicked, and they are already hoodwinked by charismatic leaders. At the core, fear isn't about what is so, it is about what might become so. It is easy to be fooled into thinking otherwise. Such is the nature of fear, and those who wield it.

Remember- those who take a fearful approach to life rarely cop to it. Rather they blame others for the fear that they feel inside themselves. Classic denial and projection. In their mind, you are the one who is fearful, and you need to be managed (i.e. controlled), in order to prevent you from "spreading fear" to others, (i.e. themselves). Only problem with this logic is... fear doesn't spread from one person to another like some kind of disease. I can't "make you" feel fear any more than I can "make you" feel love. How you respond to my words and actions is entirely up to you.

Those who are "against" conspiracy theories feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. This is really no different than those at the top of the power pyramid. They, too, feel that they need to control others in order to feel safe within themselves. It always comes down to fear-based thinking "for your own protection" or "for the greater good" or because "father knows best". In other words, total BS.

So it is a convenient and unspoken alliance for both of those groups to point the finger at those who are simply wanting others to know the truth. They are ready to pounce at the first hint of misinformation and more than willing to launch an all-out character assault at the slightest twinge of immorality or self-serving behavior on the part of the "conspiracy theorist". That way both groups can ensure that there is no real challenge to the status quo and thus perpetuate avoidance of dealing with their own inner fear of change.

Thusly one finds that no sooner than opening their mouth on a "conspiracy theory" does the frantic attempt to silence them begin. Whether it is simply argumentation and ridicule, or death threats and bullets is a matter of how far somebody is willing to go to protect themselves from feeling the fear that the "conspiracy theorist" is triggering inside themselves, i.e. however much they perceive that they stand to "lose" if real changes to the status quo start happening. Oh, they are more than happy to talk about change 'til the cows come home, but when it comes to taking action, then starts the grumbling, dragging of heels, and appeals for "more time" before changes begin in earnest. I've got news for these folks- we are "out of time". We are already living within the requested "overtime period" for people to get their inner affairs in order, and that overtime is about to expire. There is more yet to come, but change needs to happen first, and it will be swift.

Notice how these two groups are the actual sources of the misinformation that gets picked up and propagated by "conspiracy theorists" in the first place. But that is portrayed to be secondary, or glossed over in their scathing indictments of truth-seekers. Notice how the "conspiracy theorist" is held to some unattainable level of investigative standard or uber-morality... but when the mainstream gets caught with their hands down their pants it is "Oops! Sorry! We're all human, ya know!" and then right back to towing the line.

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If you ask me (which nobody did) the real issue here is not a few hoodlums up at the top of the power pyramid, it is the droves of humans who have disowned the fact that they are the ones who put these hoodlums in charge in the first place.

Our "wizened elders" in America are so obsessed with having to feel like they did "The Right Thing" that they would rather see humanity go to nuclear war, or the planet utterly destroyed, than admit that THEY were the ones who sold their children and grandchildren out to these hoodlums while blinded by their own self-righteousness. After all, they believe their mission is to "save the world" and they believe that the "American Dream" is the way to do it. Upholding that belief is so crucial to their supposed "mission from God" they will defend the "American Dream" to the bitter end, and with their last breath blame YOU for destroying it with your "lies and conspiracy theories".

But don't take my word for it. Watch and see. It is all coming soon to a screen near you. Watch how quick humanity's self-proclaimed saviors turn on their "loved ones" like rabid dogs when it becomes undeniable that "saving the world" doesn't look like they expected it would.

Wow, Tenet, profound!

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lol i just think red is used for danger, so i always feel jolted when i see it. it gives off this anger even unintended. that pink is nice.

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i i think that's actualy spicy or hot pink. my fave pink.

Sorry about that; that wasn't the intention. I'll switch to hot pink!

[Oceania]

what is he talking about?

[Aaron]

lol i just think red is used for danger, so i always feel jolted when i see it. it gives off this anger even unintended. that pink is nice.

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i i think that's actualy spicy or hot pink. my fave pink.

That is such a good point...

I like the pink too.

[Derek]

He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

Didn't Fulford also say, without a doubt, that assassins were going to systematically eliminate the Illuminati at the top? Genuine question..what's the update on that?

He said that they could if they wanted to. They later figured out they could kill about 300 people which would start ww3. They decided the best thing to do would be something like this lawsuit.

[hogey11]

I'm sorry but i cannot resist adding to this...

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Good perspective from Clif High over at Half Past Human:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

There is a strong possibility that David is being skilfully manipulated here.

clif's point was kinda my thoughts, too. if there really is that vast amount of gold that anonymous and wilcock hinted at, then wouldn't the gold be less valuable due to there being so much of it? unless it's made valuable by hoarding.

i dunno. i'm keeping an open mind and waiting for further developments.

This lawsuit's success could lead to a multitude of scenarios unfolding. From what I've heard from the latest interviews, the current goal seems to be not so much a take-down of the current system, but rather the 'Dragon' countries would like to have a good chunk of their gold stores to be "officially" added into the global financial system. The bonds from 1938 are astronomical as it is, but if they were to also prove that the supply of gold is only a fraction of its reality, it would turn our financial world upside down.

Why was it that the Federal Reserve was created in the first place? After the 1929 crash, people freaked out and there was a liquidity crisis so they started printing money to meet people's demands for cash. By 1933 they had finally caught up with everything and came to realize they had three times more liquidity than gold stores at the current day's prices. They had two options; buy three times the gold they had already (how?) or create an "elastic" currency that was no longer backed by hard resources. Now think about this case in the framework of the Federal Reserve and its apparent requirement to move forward. If we could prove that we have enough to not only reapply the gold standard but also flood the earth with said money, it would be a popular idea. It's a whole lot better than letting some appointed bearded dude tell us what's up.

The case could also collapse the current system if the world responds vengefully. In that case, it would probably support such a move.

One other way I personally could it happen is through force/subterfuge. Imagine a BRICS country (with inside help) hacks into the US power grid and shuts down every bank in america, as well as every datacenter and server bay connected to any information that is hosted. Hackers also get into the bank computer networks and are able to do damage from within that way as well. They cripple the US/Central banking systems all over the world and either wipe records or scramble the data. At the same time, they approach a freaking out world in the aftermath with a new direction: a gold-backed currency free from international politics and hoop jumping that would be used to build the earth of the future. They could flood the market immediately, offering it to any and all.

Are all these things probable? Probably not. I'm sure something will go wrong somewhere, as Murphy rarely leaves anyone alone. That being said, I hope and I intend for something to come from this. We'll see how it goes

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From Fulford's own website blog (I see now retroactively edited):

How is that fair??? He retroactively edited it because he found out the real information afterwards.

The willingness to spew BS kinda reinforces the salt intake requirement at any one point, dudn't it.

There was still HAARP activity regardless of whether he knew about the nuclear device or not. So how exactly do you know what he said is BS? It still could have been partially HAARP to blame for the disaster. They needed an earthquake to happen to cover for the nuclear device, and HAARP may have been used to cause that tremor. From there, they just needed to have their man on the trigger to press it when the quake hit.

Do either of us know for sure what happened? I don't know for sure, and it's not my responsibility to decide for others either.

[Oceania]

thanks Monica.

[native]

Tenet - Good post. I agree with your comments. I'd like to make a distinction that when I refer to being careful about conspiracy, I'm referring to how deep one goes..as in how much one frets over the details. The general population certainly needs to acknowledge various aspects of manipulation going, and I also agree that many are quick to judge others for thinking outside the box. My main concern involves those who choose to delve deeper into conspiracy, and how they become totally enveloped with all the speculative details.

As an example..9/11, the peddling of false information leading up to the Iraq war, or various corporate/political aspects of corruption are all topics we can work with practically. They relate to general aspects of life and can be exposed. However, knowing whether or not haarp caused an earthquake for instance serves no purpose in my reality. There's nothing I can do personally with that information. Powerful technologies exist (I'm not sure if haarp is anything dangerous..haven't looked at it really), but having the knowledge about what might have caused an earthquake does not change my here and now..because it is entirely speculation handed down from a talking head. That's not to say we can't listen to whistle blowers and attempt revelation of certain things. What needs to be acknowledged is that such a behind the scenes detail is minor in regards to other important things that need tending to. It is unhealthy on an energetic level to get worked up over speculative details.

So I'm mostly concerned about the emotional charge that is induced when considering specific information that has a high probability of being false, the thoughts that are created, and the potential influence such thoughts have on reality. It's my opinion that negative catalyst is able to be put into motion based on the collective mind at any one time. Conspiracy is reaching a lot of people these days, and if speculative ideas are put out there, which are picked up and reacted to negatively, I think it's possible this creates a potential that may be used in some form. "Wow..if they can induce such destruction, what else is planned?" Not an appropriate response..it induces uncertainty, vulnerability, and the idea that one is being dominated/manipulated..the most important aspect. When it comes to agendas or nefarious events, it's healthy to take on a "maybe, maybe not" attitude. After all, you and I will never make it into an underground base, nor will we expose those at the top. So how does one make a difference?

I see no need to worry about agendas or details. In having authority over our minds, the plans behind the scenes fall apart. I choose not to be concerned about the details I can't prove, even if a detail does catch my interest. Their ability to manipulate is dependent on how easily we are influenced. Ra spoke of negative thoughts within the mind extensively, how that affects our perceptions, which in turn generates catalyst based on those perceptions. If the collective believes they have no control, it will continue to be given that catalyst. If we can be positive without succumbing to ideas of domination, while also taking on greater responsibility through acceptance, we heal the collective. Since healing is the act of accepting a less distorted pattern, manipulation will inherently go awry as negative influence becomes less and less necessary. More whistle blowers will come forward, innocent worker bees behind the scenes will refuse to participate etc. In my opinion at least.

So I agree that people must come to terms with their personal choices, such as those they have elected, and the failure of the social systems that they supported and created. While I did say at the beginning of this post that people do have to wake up to a certain amount of manipulation, I think everything ultimately rests on the individual. The collective has become very self-involved, and their choices extend back many many lifetimes, which includes planets that have been destroyed/abandoned, and interaction with the Confederation, in which they perverted their teachings.

Which isn't to say I don't have sympathy, I send my love to all those I encounter daily. It's obviously tough..eventually the collective has to take a good look at themselves. "Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun."

[Oldern]

I agree with you completely, Icaro.
My take on all of this is simple: some of the conspiracy theories rely on this kind of rhetorics: you are suffering because of THEM, so go out and take your revenge on THEM.

Wrong.

You are suffering because you are caught up in the frequency of suffering, and directing your hate to a new place will not stop your suffering. Turning that hate into simple love, however, WILL increase your frequency to the level where you wont be in a state of suffering anymore.

As simple as that, for me. I do not care what the Illuminati did or still does. Why should I? I am happy to be still here, to be able to love, to be able to meditate, and to be able to communicate with others in this forum

[native]

Yes, they're always trying to breed negativity and separation. "Look at what we did, and look at what we're going to do." If you start wondering "what if, or what's to come?", you give that negativity strength, and you give up your faith. I always approach conspiracy with a light heart.

[Plenum]

Yes, they're always trying to breed negativity and separation. "Look at what we did, and look at what we're going to do." If you start wondering "what if, or what's to come?", you give that negativity strength, and you give up your faith. I always approach conspiracy with a light heart.

yes, so true.

Unfortunately (as many of us have learnt the hard way) trying to find the 'Truth' via conspiracy theory and the NWO is like trying to read a small-print bible in the darkest of nights without the moonlight, and with cloud covering the skies - there's not quite enough Light to go around lol.

The Conspiracy World is full of muck and deceit - and one gets covered in it by sheer proximity. It 'might' give you an idea of how power was established and transmitted, but unless you plan on starting your own Empire, there's not much point in becoming a student of their lessons.

much better to learn the ways of Love and Wisdom.

of course, since 9/11, the floodgates of Understanding have opened up. They really shot themselves in the foot with that one lol.

[mikesc]

Wow, I only drop by every now and then, but this place is getting crazy. If anybody is genuinely concerned about stuff like this, rest assured that if it really mattered in the grand scheme of things something would turn up the lights a bit and things would become clear. What I mean is that on some level I'm sure that things are pefectly under control. The again, on another level there are battles to be fought, conspiracies to be sorted though and all kind of interesting games that seem to need to be played. When enough people get done playing games that pit this versus that and require powerful forces to be at work then things will finally get simpler and more straight forward.

[native]

In reference to those in contact with negative entities, Ra did refer to the various forces at work as a game.."We shall not interfere with the, shall we say, planetary game. It is not central to the harvest."

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Unfortunately (as many of us have learnt the hard way) trying to find the 'Truth' via conspiracy theory and the NWO is like trying to read a small-print bible in the darkest of nights without the moonlight, and with cloud covering the skies - there's not quite enough Light to go around lol.

Hehe..good analogy.

of course, since 9/11, the floodgates of Understanding have opened up. They really shot themselves in the foot with that one lol.

It makes you wonder doesn't it? It created an opportunity for illumination.

[Ankh]

When enough people get done playing games that pit this versus that and require powerful forces to be at work then things will finally get simpler and more straight forward.

You mean like grasping the needle and pointing it in one direction sort of thing?

[Oceania]

part II is wild. http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/david...tyranny-ii

and this is wild also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...Bl6jGz7Pqg

if this is all true then they truly are desperate. if Ron Paul wins they might try to assassinate him. any other presidential candidate is gunning for Iran and the start of WWIII. Bachman was salivating blood. seriously when she spoke i was thinking she wants world war II, she wants to end the world.

[Monica]

if Ron Paul wins they might try to assassinate him.

I don't want to be in that timeline. Oceania, and everyone else, let's all unite our prayers/meditations/love/light and send it to Ron Paul, for protection. Let's also ask our cosmic friends to help - they will answer our call if we ask! Seriously.

any other presidential candidate is gunning for Iran and the start of WWIII. Bachman was salivating blood. seriously when she spoke i was thinking she wants world war II, she wants to end the world.

The others are all bloodthirsty. It's bizarre, surreal watching the contrast...Ron Paul, the STO, in stark contrast with those desiring more bloodshed. Such a clear depiction of STO/STS...right there laid out, for all to see...and CHOOSE.

[Plenum]

if Ron Paul wins they might try to assassinate him.

I don't want to be in that timeline. Oceania, and everyone else, let's all unite our prayers/meditations/love/light and send it to Ron Paul, for protection. Let's also ask our cosmic friends to help - they will answer our call if we ask! Seriously.

yes, let us pray for the safety of Ron Paul.

his values are Libertarian:



I would vote ... but I'm an Aussie. Although, we do have a Free Trade Agreement with you guys, so maybe I can swap my local vote to have a say in your elections haha

[Oceania]

i'm with you Monica.

[zenmaster]

Being against things we don't like ain't enough.

[Tenet Nosce]

Tenet - Good post. I agree with your comments. I'd like to make a distinction that when I refer to being careful about conspiracy, I'm referring to how deep one goes..as in how much one frets over the details. The general population certainly needs to acknowledge various aspects of manipulation going, and I also agree that many are quick to judge others for thinking outside the box. My main concern involves those who choose to delve deeper into conspiracy, and how they become totally enveloped with all the speculative details.

I totally agree. This is why I tend to put "conspiracy theories" in quotes like that. It is a reference to how these topics are viewed by others. There's always that joker with the scowling face and derisive tone... "OH, you are into 'conspiracy theories' *scoff*"

What does that even mean, anymore? People just think they can throw a label of "conspiracy theory" at anything they don't want to talk about, as if labeling it "conspiracy theory" means the whole thing can be dismissed out of hand.

Of course... take any "conspiracy theory" and there is some whacko nutjob out there taking it to the extreme. Well I say... who elected THEM representative? I see this all the time in my field. People take the most EXTREME nutjobs as an example, and then conclude there is no value in what any of us do, whatsoever. It is just preposterous.

But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.

While we had many long and interesting conversations on various "conspiracy theories", he absolutely refused to consider any kind of positive spin. Everything was the worst case scenario, and there was no convincing him otherwise.

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My take on all of this is simple: some of the conspiracy theories rely on this kind of rhetorics: you are suffering because of THEM, so go out and take your revenge on THEM.

Wrong.

Exactly. As it is equally wrong to dismiss the whole thing out of hand because a few loudmouths are spreading rhetoric. Seriously, this is hardly limited to "conspiracy theories". What this actually is called in debate is a "strawman argument". How it works is, you mischaracterize your opponent's views as the most EXTREME and ABSURD version of what they are saying, and then knock the "strawman" down with your arguments against the false position.

One need only watch Fox News for about an hour to see this in action.

You are suffering because you are caught up in the frequency of suffering, and directing your hate to a new place will not stop your suffering. Turning that hate into simple love, however, WILL increase your frequency to the level where you wont be in a state of suffering anymore.

Awareness need not lead to suffering and hatred. But yes, there is often fear to deal with when one becomes aware of these things. In and of itself, fear is harmless. It is only when we feel like we need to act out of a false sense of urgency that the fear becomes a problem.

As simple as that, for me. I do not care what the Illuminati did or still does. Why should I? I am happy to be still here, to be able to love, to be able to meditate, and to be able to communicate with others in this forum

Gratitude is always a good choice.

[Tenet Nosce]

This sounds like a fairly balanced view to me...

IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH

Before we launch into the story, we need to set up the characters. Otherwise, you may have difficulty understanding how this Nazi-type mentality could exist. Denial is the main weapon that has kept this story secret for so long.

You might also fall into an even more dangerous pattern: the Salem witch-burning mentality of "Us" versus "Them," "Black" versus "White," "God's Chosen" versus "Satan's Demons."

These are real people, not cartoon monsters. That is ultimately what guarantees that the plans of these groups cannot succeed.

However, if you don't know who you're dealing with, you will never be able to understand them enough to help solve the problem.

The majority of their members are miserable, feel trapped, and want nothing more than to escape -- and to be treated with love and respect.

The groups themselves are far too big, interconnected, worldwide and powerful to be transformed from the outside.

The only real shot you have at changing the world is by changing the people in the world -- including those within these groups.

You can't do that by stepping in, acting like a hot shot and telling them what to do. You have to listen to them, understand them, find out what they want, what they need and why they have been hurting so much.

And that's called love.

[zenmaster]

These are real people

Good to see that consideration has been adopted.

[Tyler Durden Maybe]

I personally don't think that David Wilcock will have these threats carried out on him, my guess is the Threat Itself was the action that was meant to be perpetrated on him, not the threatened actions themselves.

[native]

But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.

If you think about it, the colon would correspond to the root center. If one is so enamored in conspiracy, they would be constantly denying base experience, which may result in cancer.

[Oceania]

base experience?

[native]

"The only specific part of this correctness is that the red-ray or foundation energy center, being the lowest or root energy center of the physical vehicle, will have the first opportunity to react to any experience. In this way only, you may see a physical locus of the south pole being identified with the root energy center. In every facet of mind and body the root or foundation will be given the opportunity to function first.

What is this opportunity but survival? This is the root possibility of response and may be found to be characteristic of the basic functions of both mind and body. You will find this instinct the strongest, and once this is balanced much is open to the seeker. The south pole then ceases blocking the experiential data and higher energy centers of mind and body become availed of the opportunity to use the experience drawn to it."

[zenmaster]

But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.

If you think about it, the colon would correspond to the root center. If one is so enamored in conspiracy, they would be constantly denying base experience, which may result in cancer.

Large intestine is a "dogmatically positioned" at the emotional level, in Chinese medicine.